Did Scotland Invent Football?

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Sheffield The Home of Football

6 ай бұрын

Was Queens Park FC's passing game, and knowledge of this game spread by Scottish Professors, the true origins go our modern game of association football? Did Scotland invent football?
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@scottw.3258
@scottw.3258 5 ай бұрын
Something you completely overlooked is the rules of the game. The rules by which we play the game today are the Glasgow rules. Very little has changed in the rules since the 1870's. So it can still be argued that Scotland has given the world the modern game.
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball 5 ай бұрын
The rules e play by today Scott are the 1877 amalgamation the FA & Sheffield rules.
@scottw.3258
@scottw.3258 5 ай бұрын
@@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball Wrong, but you stand by your belief, mate.
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball 5 ай бұрын
No probs Scott but you might want to look up the date when the rules were completely amalgamated.@@scottw.3258
@legandrydirk
@legandrydirk Ай бұрын
​@@SheffieldTheHomeofFootballTake a look at the rules you never even used goalkeepers we did
@legandrydirk
@legandrydirk Ай бұрын
@@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball Bullshit for a start there is no mention.of a goal keeper in the English rules we have evidence of goal keeping for 1636 in Aberdeen in the Wedderburn book
@randommadness1021
@randommadness1021 5 ай бұрын
You missed the Scotsman who took the "modern" game to Brazil.
@yesenochwasRIGHT
@yesenochwasRIGHT 5 ай бұрын
William Mcgregor created the first professional league in England,a Scot. The first professionally paid player was a Glaswegian.
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball 5 ай бұрын
Correct. Jimmy Lang & Peter Andrews both came down to Sheffield in 1876 to play. Jimmy Lang was indirectly paid to play for The Wednesday so the first professional. Also, yes McGregor was key to setting up the football league in 1888 but all these individuals combined significantly developed the modern game, they did not invent it. Would you agree?
@yesenochwasRIGHT
@yesenochwasRIGHT 5 ай бұрын
@@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball the truth of who invented the modern game ,must be whittled down to committees, as the real inventors were probably kids on a street somewhere. Anyway,our football has not developed at all,and to see native Scots English Welsh Northern Irish being overlooked in favour of imports is destroying the game.
@truthoverlies1820
@truthoverlies1820 6 ай бұрын
As a football history nerd i really appreciate this channel
@laurencecheyne593
@laurencecheyne593 29 күн бұрын
Given that the site calls itself 'Sheffield the home of football' I think someone is having a larf. 😊😊
@Jimbee-s1c
@Jimbee-s1c 15 күн бұрын
It's called the Andy Murray syndrome! When he loses a game of tennis he's Scottish but when he wins he's British 😂
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball 14 күн бұрын
Hay!! Good luck tomorrow!!
@patsanters2741
@patsanters2741 6 ай бұрын
Scotland invented Football although in England they say they did but again they would not say different . Was invented in Scotland .
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball 6 ай бұрын
Thanks Pat. Please view the evidence in the video and let me know your thoughts.
@patsanters2741
@patsanters2741 6 ай бұрын
@@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball Was invented in Scotland .
@sheffsteel7
@sheffsteel7 6 ай бұрын
what does invented mean and what is football? In early days football was quite similar to rugby. These kind of discussions can be difficult because it's all semantics. If a group of lads used to meet up to play a casual football in a park from 1850, then in 1880 it becomes so popular that these people form an official club and become a pro football club, then did the club start in 1850 or 1880 and if a stadium was built inside the park in 1900, then could they claim to have the oldest ever stadium because they could correctly say football has been played on that site from 1850.
@alexmcintyre6353
@alexmcintyre6353 6 ай бұрын
England try claim everything in font of Scotland,
@kieranmccabe
@kieranmccabe 5 ай бұрын
@@alexmcintyre6353 they claim everything we do is theirs as well, Football, the TV, the invention of penicillin, the invention of the telephone the list goes on and on and on
@keencyclist6134
@keencyclist6134 16 күн бұрын
It was the highland clans that used to play each other. Invented the passing game well before the 1800s
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball 16 күн бұрын
Hi, I would love to see the documentary evidence for this to put in my next video. Can you forward it to me please. Many thanks!!
@keencyclist6134
@keencyclist6134 16 күн бұрын
was my grampa, who was a heelander that told me. So, I just took it from him that it was true. Was probably his da and his da before him etc. so no evidence other than I had no reason to disbelieve him. Maybe not the most compelling, but I’m sure it’s in the archives somewhere. Told me that those games were the only times the clans got together and didnae tear lumps out of each other. After the game it was back to business as usual
@aaron234567890987643
@aaron234567890987643 16 күн бұрын
​@@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball the book 'Border Reivers' mentions handba and fitba as border games in the 1600s. Well worth a read
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball 16 күн бұрын
@@keencyclist6134 OK. Not saying your answers are misinformed but I assume that to make claims like Scotland Invented Modern Football we do need more than just family stores handed down?
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball 16 күн бұрын
@@aaron234567890987643 Hi Aaron. That sounds fascinating but handba & fitba aren't modern football, 11 a side, 90 mins etc are they?
@colindouglas7769
@colindouglas7769 13 күн бұрын
I'll tell you this for nowt: if we Scots did invent the game, it's pretty evident on tonight's debacle in Munich, that we've completely forgotten how to play it!
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball 12 күн бұрын
Colin I'm so sorry but I did laugh at your comment. Hope things improve next week!!
@rosielwood4210
@rosielwood4210 6 ай бұрын
Another interesting video! It would be good to see a whole video just on that Netflix show to see what is accurate and what is fiction!!
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball 6 ай бұрын
It's still on Netflix Rosie but just be aware of what is truth & what is fiction.
@gfg890
@gfg890 5 ай бұрын
We did invent football, I truly believe but just like the King Arthur legend who was Scottish too, it was an idea stolen by the Ebglish. You might have the oldest formulated clubs but the oldest football dating back to 1540 can be found in Stirling and cost King Jame's IV two shillings but we were playing it long before that when King James actually felt the need to outlaw the game through an Act of Parliament called the Football Act 1424. This stupid law forbid Scots from participating in the game we invented at the risk of a 4 pence fine until it was eventually repelled in 1906. We invented it, England perfected it and created structure and rules, as they.do in the process of thieving it.
@legandrydirk
@legandrydirk Ай бұрын
David Wedderburns book to is older than anything they have which has rules 1636 think it is from a Aberdonian school teacher
@andymitchell9706
@andymitchell9706 5 ай бұрын
Very interesting viewpoints, and even if I don't agree with it all, thanks for coming to Scotland to see for yourself. Surprised that you say just two players from the Vale of Leven area went south as professionals before 1890, there were actually quite a few. Of the Scotland internationalists, ie better quality players, you could mention Sandy McLintock, Johnny Forbes, Jimmy Cowan and John Murray (all Vale of Leven); George Dewar, Alex Latta, John Madden and Peter Miller (all Dumbarton); Bob Kelso, Andy Hannah, John Lindsay and Duncan McLean (all Renton).
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball 5 ай бұрын
That's interesting Andy. Sorry I couldn't find these. What years did they move the English clubs please?
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball 5 ай бұрын
Also, is this Andy Mitchell mentioned by Westby? (& others of course)
@andymitchell9706
@andymitchell9706 5 ай бұрын
@@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball Here you go: Sandy McLintock 1884 (Vale of Leven to Burnley), Johnny Forbes 1888 (Vale of Leven to Blackburn Rovers), Jimmy Cowan (Vale of Leven to Aston Villa 1889), John Murray (Vale of Leven to Sunderland 1890), George Dewar (Dumbarton to Blackburn Rovers 1889), Alex Latta (Dumbarton to Everton 1889), John Madden (Dumbarton to Gainsborough Trinity 1887), Peter Miller (Dumbarton to West Hartlepool NER 1889), Bob Kelso (Renton to Newcastle West End 1888), Andy Hannah (Renton to Everton 1889), John Lindsay (Renton to Accrington 1889), Duncan McLean (Renton to Everton 1890). These are just the internationalists - all detailed in my Scotland Who's Who - but there were others too, eg Burnley had four ex-Vale of Leven players in 1884.
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball 5 ай бұрын
Thanks Andy, so it seems from 1884 onwards Vale of Leven players did come south in numbers. This does make sense considering the strength of the football in the vale. It's an important statistic that needs noting but it still does seem to have happened just after Jack Hunter's spreading of Sheffield's game had impacted on Blackburn Olympic's success in 1883. Would you agree?@@andymitchell9706
@andymitchell9706
@andymitchell9706 5 ай бұрын
@@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball No, I don't agree. I don't see how you can take Vale of Leven players in isolation, when there were plenty of other Scots who came to Lancashire before them, and long before Jack Hunter arrived at Olympic in the summer of 1882. A few prominent names to mention include Jimmy Love (1878 Darwen), Fergus Suter (1878 Darwen then Blackburn Rovers) and his brother Edward Suter (1879 Darwen), Hugh McIntyre (1879 Blackburn Rovers), Peter Campbell (1879 Blackburn Rovers), Jimmy Douglas (1880 Blackburn Rovers), William Struthers (1881 Bolton Wanderers). There were others. While I don't deny that Hunter was a top player and influential in Olympic's cup success, he was just one man - so if the Sheffield passing game was so important in changing the way football was played why did he, and the East Lancashire clubs in general, not recruit more Sheffield players? Instead, the clubs recruited time after time from Scotland, and in recognition of these Scottish players' impact on Lancashire football, the term 'Scotch Professor' had already been coined before Hunter moved from Sheffield to Blackburn. Fundamentally, however, it is all about influence, and loads of people from different backgrounds had an influence on the way football developed in the pioneering years. The idea that anyone can claim to have 'invented' football, or that any single place is the one-and-only 'home of football' is patently ridiculous. So in that respect I agree with you that Scotland did not invent football - but nor did Sheffield, Cambridge or London.
@johnmcdonald7339
@johnmcdonald7339 5 ай бұрын
As I always understood it, there were two sets of rules that developed at the same time, the Scottish rules and the English rules. And they were very different sets of rules. And as I understand, the rules that we play now are an evolution of the Scottish rules, the English game went extinct. It’s a bit like the English claim that they invented Baseball, just because they invented rounders. In saying that, I stand to be wrong. I haven’t done the research you have done here (although I don’t have a KZfaq channel name that influences my opinion either). But the aggregate of what I have seen and read suggests that Association Football is the Scottish game that Queens Park played, and the game that Sheffield used to play went extinct when that rule set died out.
@hindlewalker9330
@hindlewalker9330 3 күн бұрын
Scotland also invented the Boomerang .
@user-py6tr4kt9j
@user-py6tr4kt9j 5 ай бұрын
Brilliant video. The West of Scotland has a massive Scots-Italian Community. Playing a positive role in the game. Including having fish and chip wagons at grounds a century ago. Many of these families come from Tuscany. Scotland only changed the game. Football goes back to the Greeks. A form of game still played today in Firenze is "Calcio storici fiorentino". One of it's most famous players was Pope Clement VII. This means wee Phil at Ibrox isnae the first Clement to be famous in football. Of course this point also highlights the problems Scotland has brought to the game. This will bring a good source of banter to Celtic fans who follow our club motto of "know your history". For some it will mean banter of "God Bless Pope Phil Clement VIII - the orange heathen"
@garymackie5608
@garymackie5608 29 күн бұрын
You do know the pope and king billy were allied. The pope payed for his army
@petersneddon1579
@petersneddon1579 5 ай бұрын
Every single player in Liverpool FCs first side where Scots, they were known as "the team of macs" also almost every major club in England had several Scots in their teams a situation that continued right through the 1920s and 1930s indeed Scottish players were so different and exotic they were regarded as indispensable. Sorry but Sheffield rules had players catching the ball with their hands (Gaelic Football) and the Scots stopped that, throw ins were invented here and the modern passing game stop being so ungrateful.
@scottw.3258
@scottw.3258 5 ай бұрын
We play by the Glasgow rules in the modern game. The only thing to have changed is offside. Scotland is the birth of the modern game.
@davemitchell7330
@davemitchell7330 26 күн бұрын
You did your best to discredit the Scottish side of the discussion but as my dad (a Yorkshire man would always say) there two sides to an argument and the truth is in the middle somewhere there's so much you never mentioned as well but hay so what a mentione of Andrew Watsons story would have been great but look it up your self its very interesting.
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball 26 күн бұрын
Thanks for your comment Dave. I agree, Andrew Watson's story is very interesting & I am aware of him but there is only so much you can put into a video. I have actually done a lot more research since I made the video. I am speaking next weekend at the International Football Historians conference in Cardiff this year with other historians. A focus is the nature of the early game of football in Sheffield. The truth isn't in the middle. Passing, combined tactical play, in short the embryonic features of modern football came from the game that developed first in Sheffield, certainly from 1865 and most likely as early as 1861. Most likely, a similar development happened in Glasgow with Queens Park, the international side and representative teams 11 to 13 years later. The lack of offside was key in both locations. Modern football came from Sheffield not Scotland. It's more than my opinion and can be proven with a lot of hard historical evidence.
@nicneam
@nicneam 5 ай бұрын
Think the real question is who invented Kirby
@roddy2body
@roddy2body 29 күн бұрын
Nice! I think that's went extinct now but, shame...
@mattymaloy3949
@mattymaloy3949 10 күн бұрын
Reading the comments it seems like a fairly divisive topic 😂
@Colpachanguero
@Colpachanguero 6 ай бұрын
2nd Hampden amazing.
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball 6 ай бұрын
It's a great abandoned stadium!!
@cnoc500
@cnoc500 6 ай бұрын
Ruined by the council planting trees and replacing the old concrete barriers. Well worth a visit tho. It has an aura about it, standing on 120yrs old banked terracing sensing the souls who roared on their shirted favourites.
@markdillon5494
@markdillon5494 5 ай бұрын
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. When it comes to history it usually is.
@johngallacher7360
@johngallacher7360 6 ай бұрын
Yes
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball 5 ай бұрын
Thanks John, but view the video please.
@johngallacher7360
@johngallacher7360 5 ай бұрын
I did, my response is the same@@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball
@beelzebozos
@beelzebozos 6 ай бұрын
The public schoolboys of England may have codified the game (they certainly didn't invent it) "Scotland, once essentially the land of football" Charles Alcock 1872
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball 6 ай бұрын
Are you aware of Sheffield's involvement? Modern football did not originate from public schools. Please view the video and let me know your thoughts.
@davidforman6191
@davidforman6191 6 ай бұрын
John hope, first ever rules of football, 1833 Edinburgh football club. Pre dates Sheffield by 25 years.
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball 5 ай бұрын
Hi David, it was actually 1824, but unfortunately did not influence how modern football developed so not related to our story.@@davidforman6191
@legandrydirk
@legandrydirk Ай бұрын
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball So angry aren't you that we have the ordasity to say we created the modern game in Scotland Never mind the Scotch professor's but just look at the Countries and clubs Scits gave created and leagues works wide not just the football league And this isn't even in doubt
@ianleishman6774
@ianleishman6774 6 ай бұрын
I've watched a couple of other video's that claimed crossbars,corner flags and half time originated in Scotland. Was expecting that to be debunked as well.
@petersneddon1579
@petersneddon1579 5 ай бұрын
All true.
@roddy2body
@roddy2body 29 күн бұрын
First dug out
@michaelmccluskey6380
@michaelmccluskey6380 29 күн бұрын
The Scottish Cup is the oldest trophy in all of sport, not just football. Enough said!
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball 29 күн бұрын
Hi Michael, the medal you are referring to was not a tournament trophy played for by a number of competing clubs. Just 2 groups of players (not clubs) & the losing team buying the medal for the winners some time after as some sort of reward. So not a trophy or tournament as we understand it today. The Youdan Cup was the first competitive tournament.
@roberw1912
@roberw1912 5 ай бұрын
Yes and No. England invented the modern football rules, but Scotland invented passing and the way the game is played these days. Both countries are responsible for the game we all know and love.
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball 5 ай бұрын
Thanks Robert. What do you think about the many match reports commenting on passing in the Sheffield game from 1861 onwards? I show some in the video.
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball 5 ай бұрын
Great set of comments guys, really enjoyed reading them all. Thank you. At the end of the day you have to take the view that nobody completely invented modern football. We can of course discount anything not related to the modern form of the game we call association football, but understand that game we love had various influences. Early rules being spread by Cambridge students, innovators in London & Glasgow and pioneers of the professional league system in the midlands and north east of England. What I believe we can argue is that many of the parts of the game we now call modern association football did originate from one northern town that had by 1875 48% of all the clubs in the world at that point (178), multiple world firsts (clubs, matches, grounds, tournaments, passing reports, rules etc..) but only 1% of the population of the country. This concentration of footballing activity makes Sheffield the only place that can actually make the claim to be the 'home of football' 'the first city of football'. This is NOT a ridiculous claim. Football was not completely invented in Sheffield or anywhere for that matter, but it is the city, the place on the planet that had the biggest influence on the games development and if you now your history, you will know that the game of association football would not even exist today without Sheffield's influence, especially during the 1860's (look up William Chesterman). The rules your team plays by today are an amalgamation of both FA & Sheffield rules dating back to actual full codification in 1877. Yes Sheffield had an early fair catch rule but its lack of offside made it the closet game of all the early rules (FA's included) to today's game. Gaelic football it certainly was not. This game had passing from at least 1861. Your team, whoever they are owes at least a small nod to Sheffield no matter how hard some try to resit bending their necks. Go on, try it. Nod.
@18MikePowers88
@18MikePowers88 5 ай бұрын
Scotland invented hockey too. But the Canadians made it their craft and pastime
@yesenochwasRIGHT
@yesenochwasRIGHT 5 ай бұрын
And basketball.
@nicneam
@nicneam 5 ай бұрын
Scotland invented england monetised
@yesenochwasRIGHT
@yesenochwasRIGHT 5 ай бұрын
How can half of Preston be Scots and the other halves be English and Welsh ?
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball 5 ай бұрын
My understanding is 12 individuals were involved as players during the first season, 6 were Scots, 5 were English & 1 was Welsh. Hope that helps? Please let me know if you know of different accounts.
@yesenochwasRIGHT
@yesenochwasRIGHT 5 ай бұрын
@@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball there are only 2 halves ,not 3 unless that's a new English adaptation of logic as well?
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball 5 ай бұрын
😅@@yesenochwasRIGHT
@cocabiss
@cocabiss 6 ай бұрын
The pump up the park more like,
@toph8298
@toph8298 6 ай бұрын
Which ironically was created by an Englishman.
@cocabiss
@cocabiss 6 ай бұрын
@toph8298 that's what I meant
@davidoftheglen3447
@davidoftheglen3447 5 ай бұрын
We invented it and longshanks banned it . Enter Sir William Wallace Guardian of Scotland 😅
@gezobel
@gezobel 27 күн бұрын
Of course .. like golf, bowls, curling and just about everything else useful to humanity. Indeed an American academic recently wrote a book claiming that Scotland invented the modern world. Not much left for any other nation to boast about then .. ? 🤣
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball 27 күн бұрын
I do like a dram of whisky Gez. Don't forget that.
@gezobel
@gezobel 27 күн бұрын
@@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball 👍
@paulwilson2651
@paulwilson2651 6 ай бұрын
Yes Scotland invented the modern game via Queens Park the early English Football was a kind of Rugby.
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball 5 ай бұрын
Hi Paul, thanks for the comment. Yes FA football was like rugby with feet very early on but not in 1872 & certain never in Sheffield well before 1867.
@matthewboyle1022
@matthewboyle1022 5 ай бұрын
⁠​⁠@@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball Edinburgh and Glasgow influenced football (to become the modern game) more than any English cities (Because the Anglo version was more like rugby.) Let’s not forget that the English, Spanish, Argentinian and Scottish football leagues were all founded by Scotsmen
@matthewboyle1022
@matthewboyle1022 5 ай бұрын
China invented a sport involving kicking a ball, England were fast to monetise it and adopt innovations, and as above, Scotland made what football is today. If you spectated John hopes 1824 football club and compared to Sheffield’s style, you would recognise the Scottish game more Scottish managers in the modern era … England had their good few, but throughout time there seems to be a trend of Scot’s constantly innovating… And about player (professors)… Queen’s Park paid their first ever fee for a player in 2021 and have had an amateur status almost all of its existence Lisbon lions… enough said… Rangers 1972… all Scottish Aberdeen 1983… all Scottish.. World championship 1895… Hearts vs Sunderland… all 22 players playing were Scottish
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for your comment Matthew. Was Sheffield football like rugby? @@matthewboyle1022
@matthewboyle1022
@matthewboyle1022 5 ай бұрын
⁠@@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball Sheffield rules allowed the ball to be “pushed”, “hit” or caught (fair catch) so yes??
@elizabethmcintyre8529
@elizabethmcintyre8529 5 ай бұрын
Yes it was Scotland
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment Liz. Have you watched the video?
@elizabethmcintyre8529
@elizabethmcintyre8529 5 ай бұрын
@@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball yes I have
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball 5 ай бұрын
OK much appreciated!@@elizabethmcintyre8529
@madmark1957
@madmark1957 5 ай бұрын
Actually the oldest football was played in the north east of Scotland in the 13th century. Two teams passed the ball between team members and scored goals. But yer English so of course that will not be valid either.
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball 5 ай бұрын
Hi Mark, This club sound very interesting so do you have a name and more info? .... but its not because I'm English that I might say this club aren't part of our debate its because this club aren't part of any link to the development of modern association football. We'll be saying China invented football next.
@madmark1957
@madmark1957 5 ай бұрын
@@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball Oh it isn't really part of your debate. It waqs simply a game that was played at that time. In the 13th century I don't even know if the concept of club existed. You want to debate a very specific idea of what football is probably because it's the only way to show football originated in England. All I am saying is a form of football existed long before that. I don't mean that in a nasty way. I understand you want the outcome you want so you phrase the question in such a way as to give the answer you want. I cannot show that the game you say originated in England was in any way influenced by events elsewhere but it would be quite a coincidence if it didn't.
@legandrydirk
@legandrydirk Ай бұрын
Oldest game was against the French in Stirling Castle the English shouldn't even be co founders or a main rival 😉😉
@madmark1957
@madmark1957 Ай бұрын
​@@legandrydirk First international perhaps.
@legandrydirk
@legandrydirk Ай бұрын
@@madmark1957 No.perhaps about it and it should be recognised by FIFA like Edinburgh foot ball club should be regarded as the oldest team but there to scared to upset the English
@Dinobaburas.
@Dinobaburas. 5 ай бұрын
engerland invents everything before anyone! engerlish are the best at everything! Freedom!!!
@chrisaskin6144
@chrisaskin6144 6 ай бұрын
Bloody Jocks! They'll be claiming the invention of that mystical brew Henderson's Relish next... or might that be the Chinese?
@KeithWilliamMacHendry
@KeithWilliamMacHendry 6 ай бұрын
Bloody Morris dancers, always resentful!
@wboyle9721
@wboyle9721 6 ай бұрын
Back in your box mate
@01thistledoo
@01thistledoo 5 ай бұрын
Bloody Jocks? You mean Scots of course. Let's not be racist. I know you're angry but hold it in and suck it up
@roddy2body
@roddy2body 29 күн бұрын
As if we didn't contribute enough inventions.. TV telephone penicillin etc razor gangs.. the list goes on & don't forget, I invented shaggin! I was 15 - circa 1994 and hadn't even had a hand shandy yet.. Great Times (not my words) lol. And aye we invented fitbaw yaassss dammed sassanachs right roon yaes
@18pablo88
@18pablo88 29 күн бұрын
Why not ,we invented everything else 😂
@headpeace1018
@headpeace1018 5 ай бұрын
The Chinese. Then England invented the modern game with the first FA.
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball 5 ай бұрын
Hi, thanks for your comment. Unfortunately that narrative misses out the massive contribution one town, Sheffield made to early modern football development (including passing). China had nothing to do with the emergence of association football. It may help to view my series 'Who Invented Football?'
@legandrydirk
@legandrydirk Ай бұрын
NAW lad a Scot also set up the Chinese league John Prentice think it was
@headpeace1018
@headpeace1018 Ай бұрын
@@legandrydirkThe invention of football you dummy. That's why China was mentioned. England is still the the first FA whether you like it or not.
@ryanmccluskey6038
@ryanmccluskey6038 25 күн бұрын
We'll just forget queens park had the first season tickets or the first black international player played for us or Brazil or even Argentina who say Scotland invented the game. Typical cherry pick, so called facts from a English man who's source literally is the English fa book of facts. So called British history is full of it like Scotland is older than England. We also have scara brey which is older than stone henge. Go on and buy a book on british history apparently we don't have any until England came along.
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball 25 күн бұрын
Scotland has many significant football firsts Ryan. My video does not deny that. I'm not cherry picking. I'm spent a whole week in Scotland filming and doing research and speaking to people like Lindsey who are experts on Scotland's football history. Before my visit I did extensive research and have continued it since. I cannot conclude based on what evidence I have found that Scotland invented modern football. Contributed yes (I say this in the video), invented NO! For the record I am English but grew up & first experienced football in Zambia. I am also originally from Manchester, not Sheffield.
@jimmcfarlane5611
@jimmcfarlane5611 5 ай бұрын
We might have invented it but we are not very good at it
@mnep5
@mnep5 18 күн бұрын
i hope not
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball 18 күн бұрын
Watch the video and find out?
@user-if6hf7ky1t
@user-if6hf7ky1t 5 ай бұрын
No they didn’t…..Ireland did!……..😂🇨🇮✌🏻
@jamieward2586
@jamieward2586 7 күн бұрын
Bollocks. Scotland invested modern football, because Scotland invented the telly. End of, pal! See ye later.
@cnoc500
@cnoc500 6 ай бұрын
So the answer is Britain 🎉
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball 5 ай бұрын
Correct, but not initially in Scotland.
@cnoc500
@cnoc500 5 ай бұрын
@@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball it depends on the definition of "football". Many places throughout these Isles played a variety of ba' games, from Orkney in the north to Duns in the south, centuries before the adoption of combination/association football.
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball 5 ай бұрын
Yes, correct. But these 'games with a ball' have been played all over the world for centuries & were not anything to do with football as we know it today.@@cnoc500
@felixfene0n
@felixfene0n 5 ай бұрын
I think the author of this video doth protest too much. Just another in a long line of Englishman trying to rewrite history.
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