The moment conservative Christians stop cherry-picking one verse they agree with and ignoring 20 verses they don't is the moment they stop being conservative Christians.
@NonEuclideanTacoCannon4 ай бұрын
I think if left to their own devices, they will either A: Invent a new pseudo-christianity, or B: Convert to Islam en masse, since it more closely aligns with their values.
@donaldwert71374 ай бұрын
There's a reason education upsets them so badly, especially higher education. The ability to think critically undermines their authority.
@sevenmiller90424 ай бұрын
Idiocy
@danjohnston90374 ай бұрын
So it is not; " There are no other gods ", It is ; " My god can beat up your god "
@NWPaul724 ай бұрын
Anti-Nowhere League- "My God's Bigger Than Your God". If you're up for some post-80s punk.
@sugarfrosted20054 ай бұрын
It's actually a place where the KJV is more accurate as surprising as that is.
@squiddwizzard88504 ай бұрын
"look, I am sick of this. Let's just have a God measuring contest."
@lysanamcmillan79724 ай бұрын
My god's better than your god, my god's better than yours! My god's better 'cause he throws lightning bolts, my god's better than yours!
@alexhajnal107Ай бұрын
My god's better than your god because mine can't be defeated with Iron Age weapons.
@hardwork83954 ай бұрын
What’s clear in the Hebrew Bible, is the theme that gods were apportioned land and people to rule over. This is disconcerting to Christians who’ve only read the Bible for devotional purposes, and whose hermeneutics only allow for scriptural harmonization and erasure of uncomfortable ideas based on presuppositions that they’ve been taught in church, by apologists-not because they were educated by scholars who’ve dedicated their lives to studying the texts or the archeology. What is significant, is that most Christians don’t realize that many scholars are also Christians-take one of the aforementioned papers in this video, by Michael Heiser.
@tannerjack95204 ай бұрын
total bullshit
@MM-jf1me4 ай бұрын
To be fair, Jewish people often find that concept troubling, too -- any monotheistic religious group would be discomfited by the thought that their sacred scriptures could be describing anything else as possibly real.
@hardwork83954 ай бұрын
@@MM-jf1meI agree that some modern forms of Judaism, Orthodox Judaism, for example, certainly wouldn’t agree with these scholars. Any of the modern forms of monotheistic Judaism, as noted from archeology and the ancient texts themselves, were originally polytheistic; the revisionist history monotheists in Judaism and Christianity propound, ignores massive evidence to the contrary. They ignore evidence of widespread changes to strands of thought and culture circa 2nd century BCE that made that religion what it began to be.
@JopJio4 ай бұрын
Lets be honest. Jesus thought Moses wrote the Torah, the prophets the other books, that the Exodus happened and that the Father/Yhwh is his God. So if the basics are not right and your leader was wrong, what kind of religion remains?😂 definititely not the faith of Jesus. On top of that our Nt doesn't even go back to Jesus
@hardwork83954 ай бұрын
@@JopJio it’s actually more troublesome than you’ve alluded. We don’t really have Jesus’ words. We have words that anonymous Greek-speaking educated elites CLAIM Jesus said, using a language he wouldn’t have been speaking to his native Jewish audience. What we have are highly-educated Greco-Roman recent converts (to some form of Judaism/proto-Christianity), trying to harmonize their fledgling understanding of Israelite history with the literary devices they learned during their education, which taught them to place certain words in the mouths of the figures they wanted to historicize and lionize.
@dwightdhansen4 ай бұрын
Moses : The Lord, the Lord Jehovah has given unto you these fifteen... [drops one of the tablets] Moses : Oy! Ten! Ten commandments for all to obey!
@GoodieWhiteHat4 ай бұрын
Is that why they’re upside down?
@huttj5094 ай бұрын
Thou shalt not laugh. Some prop guys had a lot of fun with the commandments visible (in Hebrew) on the broken tablet.
@squiddwizzard88504 ай бұрын
GOD: ... I should have moved the ones about rape and slavery higher up.
@DoloresLehmann4 ай бұрын
@@huttj509 Do you have details about this?
@ArchieM4 ай бұрын
@@DoloresLehmann History of the World by Mel Brooks
@Quack_Shot4 ай бұрын
Idols just means “shit gods”, not that they aren’t gods. Bible definitely recognizes other gods.
@hardwork83954 ай бұрын
Shout out to Dr Francesca Stavrakopoulou, who loves that translation.
@Quack_Shot4 ай бұрын
@@hardwork8395 She’s the best!
@MrDalisclock4 ай бұрын
Came here to mention this
@squiddwizzard88504 ай бұрын
I have heard, I believe on one of Dan's other videos possibly that Beelzebub 'Lord of the Flies' was essentially an insult; the idea being that Beelzebub was literally shit and attracted flies.
@MrDalisclock4 ай бұрын
@@squiddwizzard8850 Baal basically means "Lord" and zebub alludes to shit and flies. But it was probably Baal zaphon, the Lord of mount zaphon, Baals home in the mythology. So basically a satirical diss. Funny enough Baal and Yahweh are really similar in a lot of ways. No wonder Yahweh worshippers hate Baal su much.
@iamfiefo4 ай бұрын
Even as a kid, I always thought Exodus references other gods. Like when the Egyptian priest made snakes out if their staves. Sure, they were eaten by Moses' snake staff... but the Egyptian god still made the other staves into snakes.
@icollectstories57024 ай бұрын
Did the Israelite god have sovereignty in Egypt? God-flex moves.
@ryanrevland43334 ай бұрын
Indeed! And here's a few verses for any believers who disagree. Exodus 12:12 - ...I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. Exodus 15:11 - Who among the gods is like you, Yahweh? Exodus 18:11 - Now I know that Yahweh is greater than all other gods...
@work37534 ай бұрын
I was in a church play once with the 10 commandments held up by little kids. I had 3 (Lords name) and proudly displayed it up side down the entire play. The audience thought it was hilarious.
@QuinnPrice4 ай бұрын
The "pay no attention to these other Gods" is a big deal that continues to influence Christian behavior today. Countless times I saw rebukes of things that were framed as allowing others gods. Yoga, movies, LGBTQ, etc... The "no other gods" narrative drives cult-like behavior.
@GoodieWhiteHat4 ай бұрын
Hand in glove with the ‘chosen people’ conceit.
@digitaljanus4 ай бұрын
@Bible-Christian What is a god?
@cygnustsp4 ай бұрын
I grew up JW and that was a major theme of our beliefs. All that non biblical stuff was demonic, demons were the gods of the nations.
@NWPaul724 ай бұрын
@Bible-Christianyou could lose the word "other" and be just as accurate.
@DavidAlastairHayden4 ай бұрын
@Bible-ChristianCheck the video you are posting under.
@AMoniqueOcampo4 ай бұрын
Prince of Egpyt is my favorite version of Exodus.
@welcometonebalia4 ай бұрын
Bob Marley is mine.
@NWPaul724 ай бұрын
@@welcometonebalia Taxibus, move a buncha people!
@hillbillyhippy4 ай бұрын
I kinda liked The Artist Formally Known As Prince's take on Exodus. Muy funky.
@MrBerto8004 ай бұрын
I WISH we had a Dan McClellan for Islam. Though, Gabriel Said Reynolds’s books are pretty good with the critical scholarship.
@MrWaterlionmonkey4 ай бұрын
David Wood is great so is CIRA international
@MrWaterlionmonkey4 ай бұрын
Mythvision is also great. They bring in tons of scholars, mostly for Christianity but they've had a fair few for Islam. And there are some really illuminating discoveries in Islamic critical scholarship, like mecca may not have existed at the time of Muhammad, that really threw me for a loop.
@MrWaterlionmonkey4 ай бұрын
Thomas Alexander is also amazing. He goes over the Aramiac roots of the Quran rather than it being Arabic. He talks about the scholarship and dispels myths about Islam, including where many of the stories in the Quran actually come from. He holds that Muhammad may not have existed or that he was a composite character, and he goes over the evidence for this
@MrWaterlionmonkey4 ай бұрын
Gabriel Said Reynolds also has a KZfaq channel called exploring the bible and the quran where he has loads of scholars
@VulcanLogic4 ай бұрын
The most plausible explanation isn't even that Moses is a kernel of a smaller slave escape. The most plausiable explanation is that Canaan was under the Egyptian yoke for 350 years under the new Kingdom until the Bronze Age collapse, and in that dark age the folk tales grew from the Egyptians leaving to the Israelites escaping because no one remembered the actual occupation.
@RustyWalker4 ай бұрын
They weren't really occupied in that sense. During the collapse of the city-states, the kings wrote to Pharoah asking for help to put down the "Shasu," who were basically starting an insurrection. Pharoah replied that they'd have to deal with it themselves because he was busy dealing with raids down his coast by "the Sea Peoples." The "Shasu" pulled more and more people to their cause and the cities were abandoned, with numerous settlements quickly springing up in the low hill country. This event is the one that was reinvented to describe the settling of Israel after the Conquest of Canaan that didn't actually happen.
@audioartisan4 ай бұрын
My son saw your Bluey shirt and now he thinks your cool! He's 6 😁 ("the other thing is, the Hebrew is upside down" ...I laughed so hard ...Taking these TikTok types seriously is seriously rough).
@michaeljames45094 ай бұрын
"Who invited this guy?" Someone who wanted someone who knew what they were talking about.
@lde-m86884 ай бұрын
Love people using the Bible to prove the Bible, and getting it wrong because they aren't willing to be educated.
@my1lastword4 ай бұрын
I love that you spend 30 seconds talking about the historical accuracy of the hebrew text on the placeholder image, then just as an aside are like "oh it's also upside down"
@VulcanLogic4 ай бұрын
Kinda like what the 2 Chronicles guy did.
@Exjewatlarge4 ай бұрын
But Dan, I like my beliefs. They confirm my prior judgments about the world. I don’t care that countless rational-minded fellow humans have arrived at radically different conclusions after years of in-depth study. I don’t care about understanding the original language of Tanach. None of that fits into my program of sticking my head in the sand.
@scottmaddow78794 ай бұрын
I'd be interested in seeing Dan bop Inspiring Philosophy again as he just did a video saying El and YHWH always were just one uber god.
@stevem79454 ай бұрын
It's always good seeing Inspiring Philosophy brought down a peg or two
@scottmaddow78794 ай бұрын
@@stevem7945 Not sure whatever happened in their last tiff. IP put up a post about a big production to refute Dan but I can't find anything. Wondering if there was a truce.
@peanutmurgler4 ай бұрын
@@scottmaddow7879Me too. I believe Dan was supposed to be releasing a part two to his second refutation of IP, but still nothing
@dennism2064 ай бұрын
Keep up the good work correcting misinformation media, Thanks Dan.
@Agryphos4 ай бұрын
It is very funny to me when someone is talking about the words of God in the Pentateuch (forgive me squishing these diverse texts together in this way) and someone goes "but what about (deutero-)Isaiah?"
@ranilodicen44604 ай бұрын
if god included "thou shalt not enslaved other people" in his commandments. things would have been clearer and better and there will be peace on earth and goodwill to all men
@WayWalker34 ай бұрын
Having watched dozens of debates and videos of apologists trying to duck and weave their way through the biblical texts, that they either don't realise their inherent dishonesty, or that they do and are simply playing to the choir, for personal adulation and/or financial gain.
@marv-n-242 ай бұрын
For those like myself who were wondering who the older guy mentioning polytheism in the Netflix doc was, it's attorney / columnist Jonathan Kirsch. He's doesn't have a degree in Biblical scholarship, but he did get a bachelor's in Russian and Jewish history. He has also written several books on the BIble and religion. Also just noticed Dr Enns from the yt channel "The Bible for Normal People" is in the documentary, interesting!
@hineraable4 ай бұрын
There are thousands of bible verses that either imply or downright state the existance of other God's, yet people go and cling to one that could easily be interpreted as "I'm the only valid God" instead of "I'm the only God that exists".
@Limey12124 ай бұрын
Nicely done Dan.
@azurejester4 ай бұрын
"if you take the Bible literally..." Yeah, let me stop ya right there, champ.
@MrDalisclock4 ай бұрын
I've yet to meet a "literal bible" believer who will commit to the solid dome in Genesis 1:7. Even Ken Ham doesn't seem to believe in such a thing despite his "Literal reading of Genesis"
@travis12404 ай бұрын
@@MrDalisclockthere are some flat Earthers that do.
@zemoxian4 ай бұрын
@@MrDalisclock Flat earthers are serious about literalism at least where it comes to the dome and the waters above. Take a Canon P900 or P1000 camera and video the stars. Since it can’t autofocus it looks like lights in water. To them that’s proof that the Bible is literally correct about that.
@luphelobuyaphi65144 ай бұрын
I bet that Most Christians don't know that their God once lost a fight.😅
@Agryphos4 ай бұрын
And here I was thinking the main thing I didn't like about the docuseries was that it played it too safe and crafted a composite Moses that felt too sanded down. I'd have liked one that went into and embraced the differences and also more directly addressed the historic issues with taking the exodus story lirerally
@timothymalone70674 ай бұрын
I am still a bit gobsmacked by people who claim to be “literalists” yet are unwilling to read any portion of Scripture they don’t like. Neither the Jewish nor Christian religions are somehow undermined because the history of Judaism arose out of a pantheon of gods. Turns out the earth orbits the sun and Christianity survived, although the church took awhile to recognize the truth.
@karldehaut4 ай бұрын
Great job. Comment for the dark god of Algorithms
@josephfriedland41924 ай бұрын
Nice to see you recommending Heiser's work here, and not for the first time. Great evangelical scholar.
@travis12404 ай бұрын
I would love it if Dan and some other actual Bible scholars would review this new Moses documentary. So far all the videos about it seem to be from Christian and Jewish apologists (who are pissed off which makes me think it might be worth watching, but I still would like to know how much it gets right).
@MrMZaccone4 ай бұрын
There was no "historical Moses". THAT is the "overwhelming academic consensus".
@andrewkircher82614 ай бұрын
Am I the only one that finds it tenuous that in a docuseries about exodus apologists site a completely different book to refute a point. To me that would be similar to citing a dc comic to refute something in a marvel comic.
@chadkent3274 ай бұрын
It’s presupposing univocallity, as Dan likes to say
@hardwork83954 ай бұрын
And funnily enough, it only takes a few moments to raise that even if we grant that the Bible says it later-they are only proving, inadvertently, that it didn’t say it when those other people were alive…so they had no clue. That seems like an abject failure on the biblical God’s part, to only inform other people hundreds of years later. So the earlier people would have thought the opposite
@SpaveFrostKing4 ай бұрын
If I was a Christian, it would be pretty easy for me to accept, "There are/were other divine beings, which people called 'gods', but they're not as powerful as the one true God." Dunno why they insist on fighting something so reasonable. I guess if they were intellectually honest for a moment, they'd worry their whole faith would collapse.
@seconduser18094 ай бұрын
Whoo hoo, my favorite of Dan's tshirts!!
@keithfranklin2144 ай бұрын
This brings up DeMilles Ten Commandments. I would love to hear Dan's take on it. One thing I noticed was that instead of God hardening Pharoah's heart DeMille had Nerfretiri do it.
@michaelearendil68434 ай бұрын
What are the functions of a "God"? Granted they are later writings, but both Genesis 1 and Psalm 8 portray Elohom/YHWH creating the stars. To me, such creative activity implies massive sovereignty.
@davidm57074 ай бұрын
To them, stars were points of light in the sky, not the massive bodies we know. Also, "Elohim" is a plural word. "-im" in Hebrew is plural.
@TacticusPrime4 ай бұрын
It's upside down! Amazing
@drlegendre2 ай бұрын
1:00 - Oh no! Not THAT GUY?!
@scienceexplains3024 ай бұрын
*-Walk-** Write like and Egyptian* Going only by Exodus, I would have thought Moses knew how to write only in Egyptian. It’s not even clear when he learns he’s a Hebrew, although his skin color and facial feature maybe would have been enough for him to question his ancestry.
@eltonron15584 ай бұрын
Which of those gods was heard by crowds? Only the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Once in each of the testaments.
@SciPunk2154 ай бұрын
I found a quote that backs up my statement, so my job is done.
@BeyondallDogmas4 ай бұрын
Whenever you present a book in your videos, I think it will be a good idea to include a link to where the books can be found. Don't you think? Personally, I would appreciate that!
@audioartisan4 ай бұрын
Every woman I have ever dated has always told me: "I am, and there is no other". 🤣🤣😂😁😉
@MrJwsasser4 ай бұрын
Why can I negotiate the meaning of text that are pro-slavery but not text on monotheism? If's rhetoric and hyperbole to say he's the only god, isn't it expected that I would follow suit and be rhetorical and hyperbolic, and say yes, he is the only god? Isn't that the author's intent? to denigrate other gods and I should follow suit and also denigrate and disrespect them? This is what author expects and what he wants to convey that God wants from us. No other gods before me? The Shema is a reiteration of YHWH's singularity. It's a strawman to say monotheist deny the existence of other divine beings. They do not recognize other divine beings as the creator or worthy or worship. It feels less than transparent since I know this stems from the Nicene creed which is monotheistic and I know that mormons are non-Nicene. So what's really at issue is Nicene dogma vs. non-NIcene dogma and not how many fake gods are too many. I'm starting to think dogma > data. It really seems like dogma is halfway around the world before data even gets it's pants on.
@welcometonebalia4 ай бұрын
Thank you.
@fariesz67864 ай бұрын
can you explain whether this rhetoric was instrumental in the later development of the monotheistic idea or if that came independently from a different school of thought (something Graeco-Roman i presume)?
@TutforJC4 ай бұрын
Do you think the conclusion of 2 Kings 3 is enough to say that the God of Israel lost that battle? I feel it’s left a little more open than that.
@drlegendre2 ай бұрын
Exodus docu-drama? You mean the old one.. with Charlton Heston? ;-)
@ChristianCarrizales4 ай бұрын
CONTEXT, creator, CONTEXT! Who does he think Isaiah 45 is speaking to? Surely not the Babylonians. Of course the Bible speaks of many different gods. If he would have read the rest of the Hebrew Bible he would know that it was the main problem throughout.
@glenwillson50734 ай бұрын
Speaking of different gods and saying they are real is not remotely the same thing.
@mickeydecurious4 ай бұрын
IDK by this time in history due to the fact that humans for the most part haven't worked until the gods, except for Father and dependent upon the sect Jesus... Are the other gods still alive, where is palatka worshiped killed them???
@chadkent3274 ай бұрын
What?
@mickeydecurious4 ай бұрын
@@chadkent327 What happens to the other gods that we don't worship? Do they die?
@chadkent3274 ай бұрын
@@mickeydecurious Gods are fictional, they don’t exist.
@meej334 ай бұрын
@@mickeydecurious See T. Pratchett et al., Small Gods.
@andrewsuryali85404 ай бұрын
@@mickeydecurious Oh, this is funnily one of those instances where modern Eastern ideas have penetrated into Judeo-Christian culture. The idea of gods needing worship to remain in existence is completely alien to the Mediterranean context of what gods are. Gods can die and be reborn, but they will continue to exist eternally. Ra dies at night when his barge goes into the underworld but in the morning he revives. Why? Because he is the literal sun. Ra fading away means the literal sun fading away. As long as there is a sun there is a Ra. This was the way Mediterranean peoples understood their gods - most of whom were tied to physical objects. The idea that gods could fade away if people stopped worshipping them actually came from Japanese Shinto religion. The reason why Japanese people believe this is because their gods are not personifications of physical objects but administrators of them - and they can be "fired" like any other employee. Amaterasu is the goddess of the sun but not the sun itself. She just "runs" the sun. If people stopped worshipping her she could lose her job and fade away - die permanently. This is the way the Japanese perceive their gods and it's a completely radical idea for the West. It entered the Western consciousness in the 19th century but was amplified during the occult craze of the early 20th century. The idea was picked up by writers of fiction like Robert Chambers and reworked by American fantasy writers like Robert Bloch and Robert E. Howard. It is now very prevalent in literature. However, it was never anyone's real belief system in the West in the ancient or modern eras. Only the Japanese have this as a real religious belief.
@Ephesians-yn8ux2 ай бұрын
Dan only has about 6 shirts
@creamwobbly4 ай бұрын
Yeah it's not even a god, it literally owns up and says it's an angel that appeared to Abraham. Angel ≠ a god, and a god ≠ God described in Isaiah.
@adnantariqbhatty54782 ай бұрын
Hey Dan can I ask what do you believe in ? Do you believe in God ? Or evalution? Of are spicies? ? Just wondering learning alot from you fyi thanks
@trueliberty60334 ай бұрын
Hi Dan, In 1st Corinthians 8:4-6 is the author saying that there are no other gods there are only things that are called God but they aren't God or is he saying there are other gods but they have no power no jurisdiction no authority It's a little hard for me to determine one way or the other
@KasperKatje4 ай бұрын
You first have to realize was only the tribal god of the Israelites. Each tribe or nation (in that region and at that time) had their own god(s). Egypt, other Canaanite tribes, Babylon, Greece etc. So your own tribal god was nothing special and they knew about gods of other tribes. Next to that, monotheism wasn't invented yet. Each tribe had multiple gods/pantheons, even the Israelites (Yahwism) and traces can be found throughout the OT.
@Gaming_God9904 ай бұрын
Great work Dan Mclellan u did an amazing work on this but how can i combat this when christians say there is only one true god i need ur help on that ❤😮😊
@hardwork83954 ай бұрын
Introduce them to biblical scholarship and challenge them to actually read books and papers by them. Explain to them the problem with apologists is that every single time the conclusion is presupposed in favor of their pet theory-it’s never an honest, intellectually open question. Devotional approaches to the Bible aren’t looking for truth-they are looking for self-validation. This needs to be pointed out at every turn. Ask them if the conclusion can ever be anything different than what they already believe-if not, then what’s the point in discussion with them? I’d compare and contrast the fact that many Bible scholars are believing, practicing Christian’s who’ve had to figure out how to square their faith with facts. The problem with only addressing each issue as though it’s in a vacuum, like the one you’ve raised, is that it hides the actual problem: that Christian is not actually, honestly engaging with the text, the language, the history, the archeology. They need to be introduced to looking at the Bible in no different terms than what anything else in life is, that is to say, a part of the world-stage of literature, part of actual history, etc-it didn’t exist in the bubble that Christians want it to be in, and it isn’t unique in the sense they need it to be.
@Gaming_God9904 ай бұрын
@@hardwork8395 thanks for the help but my head just exploded 🤣🤭
@hardwork83954 ай бұрын
One other thing I think is important to note. There is a massive, unearned sense of entitlement many Christians have with the Bible. They essentially act as if they own it-as if only their view matters on the text because they are believers…and likely because they think they have a unique line to their God via his spirit. This “spiritual smugness” keeps them from actually engaging with most non-Christians in these conversations. It insulates their usual sense of fairness; they refuse dealing with evidence in the same way they would if we were talking about non-religious subjects, or if we were talking about a religion they don’t believe in. Their standards of evidence and argumentation change if they aren’t defending their pet beliefs.
@digitaljanus4 ай бұрын
First they have to define "god".
@Gaming_God9904 ай бұрын
@@digitaljanus yeah true and they always say jesus or the jewish/christian god yahweh so idk
@creamwobbly4 ай бұрын
Blue's Clues » Bluey
@sadib1004 ай бұрын
I hope you tell that TikToker that he's wrong.
@jonlevesque38544 ай бұрын
Oh the amount of cope this is going to generate
@hellonewman58554 ай бұрын
.... but Dan Genesis 1:26 is The Trinity. 🤣
@sadib1004 ай бұрын
If those tablets didn't have old Hebrew on them, what language would they have?
@scienceexplains3024 ай бұрын
If we were to go only by Exodus (I don’t recommend that), Moses should have written in Egyptian. But then the authors seem to have thought that words had inherent meaning. For example, Adam is supposed to understand everything Yahweh says, even tho he had just been created and had no apparent time to learn the 8th-5th C BCE Hebrew of Genesis.
@sadib1004 ай бұрын
@@scienceexplains302 Adam did eat from the fruit of knowledge though. Not sure why he'd need to know how to read and write.
@scienceexplains3024 ай бұрын
@@sadib100 Who said anything about Adam reading or writing? I was using his understanding of Yahweh Elohim’s words as an example of how the authors seemed to view language acquisition
@sadib1004 ай бұрын
@@scienceexplains302 The authors weren't aware of multiple languages?
@scienceexplains3024 ай бұрын
@@sadib100 “aware of multiple languages?”They must have been, but in the story, they don’t seem to be. Moses speaks to Hebrews, Midianites, and apparently Egyptians freely, but the authors never mention a switch of language nor how Moses learned Hebrew. The Hebrew spoken is of a later period than any possible date for Moses… basically the ancestors of the people of the Kingdoms didn’t speak what we now call Hebrew, they spoke a dialect of Canaanite.
@AmandaTroutman4 ай бұрын
Whaddup Bible Scholar People!
@alibarron75584 ай бұрын
One has to really want to believe in fiction in order to believe any of it. Even the God of their worship is an indifferent, narcissistic, powerless figure who just gets angry and kills women, children and babies --- that he supposedly made to be like him. If you take the dark side, then there are still many radical believers "who are like their worthless God". The whole Abrahamic lineage needs to go back and accept a good God, that wants to do good for all his people.
@tussk.4 ай бұрын
Jesus saying that Yahweh was the only god is what angered a lot of people at the time. They had thier own gods, most especially the romans, and they didnt take kindly to this vagabond telling them they had it all wrong and that thier dieties didnt even exist.The authors of the old testament were aware that many other gods existed and had the sense not to dismiss them.
@mickeydecurious4 ай бұрын
Mark 12:29-31 O hear O Israel The Lord thy God is one... Pissed off everyone with that public statement😅
@jeffmacdonald98634 ай бұрын
I'm not sure I buy that. The transition to monotheism is a complex one, but I don't think I've seen any scholarship suggesting it started with Jesus. Or even with Christianity. It would be interesting to see a bit more on how that's thought to have happened. It certainly wasn't early in Judaism, but was it something that developed during 2nd temple Judaism?
@tussk.4 ай бұрын
I never said that monotheism started with Jesus claiming that Yahweh was the only god in a time when pantheism was the norm, only that the claim angered pretty much everybody. The transition to monotheism was conducted at the end of a sword, and took a millenia after they nailed him to a tree.
@MrWaterlionmonkey4 ай бұрын
@@tussk.This argument doesn't work for 1 major reason. Jesus wasn't saying this to the pagans, he was saying this to the Jews. I don't think this has anything to do with Yaweh being the only God, but the lord either being 1 complete being, or more likely, reminding them that the god of ISREAL is 1 in number.
@MrWaterlionmonkey4 ай бұрын
The new testament is also clear that the romans didn't care what Jesus preached, but the jews saw his teachings as blasphemy and strong armed Rome into killing Jesus. In the narratives pagans are more than happy to convert. So your reading makes no sense. Jesus was not exposing monotheism and that is not why there was push back or why he was killed according to the bible. Jesus was carrying on the rhetoric of the hebrew bible that the god of Isreal, Yaweh, was the God of Isreal, and that is it
@chadkent3274 ай бұрын
Dr. McClellan, is there any evidence of a historical Moses, or is the figure purely mythological?
@fordprefect53044 ай бұрын
Israeli archeologists have buried the Exodus. 1: Egypt ruled Canaan and maintained a string of fortress sites from Byblos to the Delta from around 1530 to 1126BCE 2: The Israelites were just another Canaanite tribe living in the hills of Judah 3: The Israeli archeologists were chartered to find evidence to support the bible, instead they found the truth based on facts.
@DavidAlastairHayden4 ай бұрын
No evidence of historicity for Moses.
@chadkent3274 ай бұрын
@@DavidAlastairHayden do you have some sources for that, please?
@fordprefect53044 ай бұрын
@@chadkent327 How about the Israeli archeologists who found 300 proto-Israelite villages in the hills of Canaan. or the Egyptian fortress cities that proves Egypt ruled Canaan from around 1530BCE until 1126 BCE.
@VulcanLogic4 ай бұрын
@@chadkent327 Dan actually has a video titled "Was Moses a Real Person" if you wanted to watch it.
@assyriannahrin4 ай бұрын
Jewish people used KTAV ASHURI/ Assyrian script This is how they called their script
@davidmcnaughty48894 ай бұрын
How is this any different than nerds getting into the weeds over Dungeons & Dragons or Lord of the Rings?
@timothywilliams85304 ай бұрын
The difference is these discussions lead to laws getting passed
@chadkent3274 ай бұрын
Understanding how religious beliefs form and develop in a culture is pretty important and applicable to current day society, as well as informing our ability to separate actual history from mythology and dogma. And I know you meant that crack about about lord of the rings as a put down, but understanding literature is also pretty important field of study. You should try to keep a more open mind about different fields of study rather than trying to dismiss them as “nerds getting into the weeds.”
@davidmcnaughty48894 ай бұрын
@@chadkent327 This says nothing about how religious stories get made up, nor is it a path to understanding history. I agree that LOTR is literature, the bible, not so much.
@davidmcnaughty48894 ай бұрын
@@timothywilliams8530 Yes because grifters, liars and conmen prey on the ignorant. Stop teaching lies and put the money into critical thinking skills and civics and the grifters can no longer grift. We'll all be better off.
@chadkent3274 ай бұрын
@@davidmcnaughty4889 This video is literally a discussion of how people read monotheism back into polytheistic writings, and the historical beliefs of the Hebrews. It’s about history and the development of religious ideas like I said. I’m not sure why you’re so hostile to this type of scholarship.
@roberthunter69274 ай бұрын
Just a lot of dudes throughout history claiming some gods, denying or gas-lighting other gods, or believers of those gods, and NOT one shred of evidence or demonstration for ANY of them. "It is written" So are words on my cereal packet. At least most cereal packets have cereal in them, so there's that. The authority of the words on the cereal packet don't come from the words themselves, or the author, they are demonstrated when you pour the cereal into the bowl, and not before. And it does not matter who wrote or printed the words. It is the presence of cereal ITSELF which gives authority to the author and the words. Or you just have an empty box with lies written on it by a mistaken, dishonest, scammed [or deluded] author. The order of the claims matter. Sure, you can find the cereal box empty after a hundred years, or ten minutes, if rug-rats are on the prowl at dawn. But that is trivially obvious. The main problem with most of this are causality violations. "God, ergo trees". OK Demonstrate the god FIRST, then you will get your cigar. Not before. "Humans, ergo chairs" Have a cigar. Chairs, carpenters, humans, all in the same chunk of space-time. No causality violation, so you get your cigar.
@davidrandell22244 ай бұрын
Every Bible scholar knows the ‘ Jordan ‘ is nowhere called a river in the OT. Are you one of those? NO!
@mdug72244 ай бұрын
That's a lot of references. El Elyon should tell Yhwy to stop bragging on his singularity.
@trinidadscorpion38354 ай бұрын
Moses never existed.
@meej334 ай бұрын
Heresy. I saw him destroy Kareem Abdul Jabbar and win the 1983 NBA Finals with my very eyes. Looking at a television. In tape delay.
@BabyHoolighan4 ай бұрын
Well, sometimes you have to pretend that a person existed when they didn't because they should have. You know, I have always loved and enjoyed the stories of the wh*res in the Bible like Rahab, Gomer, Jezebel, and the Magdalena. What's up party people!
@michaelearendil68434 ай бұрын
How do you read 1 Cor 8:6, all things are through Christ, and Phil 2:8-10, that Jesus is given the name above all other names, so that all in heaven, earth, and under the earth give homage? That sounds universal to me.
@davidm57074 ай бұрын
Except that there are "other names", so it can't be universal.
@peterblock69644 ай бұрын
I've always said that the Abrahamic religions are NOT in any way mono-theist. They are mono (or perhaps trinitarian) loyalist. NOT remotely the same thing. It is centuries overdue for Jews, Christians, and Muslims to dump YHWH into the same reject-false-gods Dustbin of History as Zeus, Jupiter, and Woden.
@ready1fire1aim14 ай бұрын
Challenge: interpret the Bible in a non-contradictory manner. Contradictions, by definition, are impossible to be true. Everyone has argued over the heavily contradictory interpretation for thousands of years. Maybe we should interpret the Bible in a way that remains possible to be true? Food for thought 💭.
@travis12404 ай бұрын
It's a better idea to get evidence and figure out which parts are true. You can't just paper over the internal contradictions nor the contradictions with scientific and archaeological evidence. Best IMO to assume it's all fiction until proven otherwise.
@glenwillson50734 ай бұрын
There is only one being, apart from God, that the Bible presents & claims to actually literally exist in reality, and as being active on this planet. And that is; "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, ... he was cast out into the earth, ...." (Rev 12:9) This beings entire focus is said to be deception; "... which deceives the whole world ...." (Rev 12:9) The Bible acknowledges that he is highly, even wildly, successful in this regard; "In whom the god of this world has blinded the minds of them which believe not, ...." (2 Cor 4:4) "... which deceives the whole world ...." (Rev 12:9) Dan happily & proudly declares himself to be one of those who "believe not".
@timothywilliams85304 ай бұрын
No as the dragon is figurative to first century Roman occupation, Secondly, if other gods don’t exist then God did the plagues of Egypt for FUN. If he didn’t do it to embarrass the Egyptian gods then it’s literally just for fun and god is a monster.
@RD-jc2eu4 ай бұрын
Everything you've quoted is from the NT. Moses (which is the topic of the conversation) and the religious views in and around the putative time period of Moses is all OT material. (You do realize that, right?... right?... Right?) So, everything in this video is about the theistic views of the OT period (NOT the NT period).
@glenwillson50734 ай бұрын
@@timothywilliams8530 {The dragon is figurative to first century Roman occupation} Well, that's a fine theory, except for the fact that Rev 12:9 actually defines "the great dragon" as being that old serpent the Devil and Satan, not as being the Roman occupation. "And the great dragon was cast out," Who was cast out? "THAT old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, ... HE was cast out into the earth, ...." So if the dragon is figurative of Roman occupation, then logically so must also be the old serpent the Devil and Satan. Don't you think it's just a tiny bit obvious, that Rev 12:9 actually shows that the dragon is figurative of Satan the Devil. Also, how exactly do you cast the Roman occupation out into the earth? Egypt & the plagues? Yes, another God did exist in Egypt - Satan. Satan is "...the god of this world ...." (2 Cor 4:4)
@glenwillson50734 ай бұрын
@@RD-jc2eu {... about the theistic views of the OT period...} Yes, I do realise that. Although to be more specific, it is about; Does the OT present any other gods, apart from God, as literal actual existing living beings in reality? Yes it does, but the only one it does present, is Satan. Anything the OT presents, as actually being a real literal event, involving the actions of another god, apart from God, it's actually Satan. And Satan also deceives by his actions as well as by his words. The NT presents the same view. He has certainly got scholars like Dan fooled into thinking the OT is presenting quite the little stamped of gods all over the place, when it's only one - him.
@sevenmiller90424 ай бұрын
I want to get channel call myself a scholar and. Pick apart videos. Demonic goat Dan
@baneofbanes3 ай бұрын
You can call yourself whatever you like, doesn’t make you a scholar.
@user-ml5zu6ph9q4 ай бұрын
Though your correct, your also misrepresenting the fullness of scholarly belief by not circling back around to why the scholars still understand that God is THE God.
@jimjim2924 ай бұрын
What are you even talking about?
@RD-jc2eu4 ай бұрын
"the scholars"? Which scholars? From where? From when? Stating that as a universal absolute rather than identifying the specific subset of scholars for whom that statement is true could be fairly described as "misrepresenting the fullness of scholarly belief." (Here's a hint: It most certainly is not ALL scholars... by a long shot.)
@jasonsmall56024 ай бұрын
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@user-ml5zu6ph9q4 ай бұрын
@@RD-jc2eu the reply is directed at the creator of the video, and therefore in reference to the same biblical scholars he is referring too which I myself am aware of. Also, it’s all fine and well for you to ask for what scholars buuut don’t assume it invalidates the argument nor should you take your own credit as a “pressumed” biblical scholar as evidence that this isn’t the most modern held belief in scholarship. These are called fallacies.
@davidrandell22244 ай бұрын
The OT has yet to be translated. “The Bible Came from Arabia “, Kamal Salibi plus his 3 other bible study books and blog for facts not fantasies. But you won’t. Cart before the horse syndrome. Shameless.