Did The Panasonic S5II Firmware Actually Improve Human Autofocus?

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Did the new Panasonic Lumix S5II /S5IIX Firmware actually improve human detect autofocus? Was that part of the firmware all hype?
It wasn't terrible, but it definitely had its issues. Let's deep dive.
Update:
Regarding the colour / white balance differences, I’m still fairly new at this colour correction / grading world, so this is most likely human error 😂 - as of writing this, the 2nd camera has not been updated to the latest firmware as of yet. When I update it, I’ll pin a comment with my findings. Thanks so much for the compliments on the video so far!
- Shaun (TechMixr)
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Chapters:
0:00 This Is Strictly About Human Detect Auto Focus
1:03 Improving The DJI RS3 Gimbal Tracking? This Is Pretty Cool
4:00 Head To Head With Different Lenses & Firmware
6:15 Weird Results (Head To Head Results - Reviewing On The Computer)
11:56 Re-Examining Low-Light Auto Focus Human Detection
14:55 Honest Thoughts About The 'Improvements' To Human Detection Auto Focus
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@TechMixr Ай бұрын

Regarding the colour / white balance differences, I’m still fairly new at this colour correction / grading world, so this is most likely human error 😂 - as of writing this, the 2nd camera has not been updated to the latest firmware as of yet. When I update it, I’ll update this pinned comment with my findings. Thanks so much for the compliments on the video so far! - Shaun (TechMixr)

@NathanKatash Ай бұрын

just importand to know - there is no pdaf if you shoot at 1080P 50P - if thats the case so the test isnt good - try to shoot 1080 20P / 6K 25P and test the AF - the af is much better

@marinrealestatephotography Ай бұрын

Also, just wanted to say, Thank You for NOT holding your lav mic in front of your mouth the way some youtubers do. That's just bananas.

@TechMixr Ай бұрын

I was thinking about this the other day. Oh it drives me crazy 😂 Just hold a handheld mic if you don’t want to wear a lav 😂 Sidenote- stupid me had it upside down when I was at the computer 😂😂😂 (I guess this is an Easter egg for the video now) 🤦🏾‍♂️

@mipmipmipmipmip 19 күн бұрын

@@TechMixr there's a video on it: "Tom Nicholas - Why KZfaqrs hold microphones now"

@KillerTacos54 Ай бұрын

I was really hoping for this video!

@TechMixr Ай бұрын

Appreciate the comment! 🙏🏾 I hope it’s helpful!

@Hene37 Ай бұрын

Great video, thank you! Would be nice to see some longer focal lengths in the future if possible.

@TechMixr Ай бұрын

That’s a great idea. The only zoom lens I have currently are the Sigma 14-24 and the 20-60 kit lens unfortunately. The other 2 lens are wide angle prime lenses.

@KrisCalderon-ts3dy Ай бұрын

You killed this test, thank you! 🙏

@TechMixr Ай бұрын

Thanks for the wonderful comment. I hope it brought you value 🙏🏾

@Weider63 Ай бұрын

you’ve done a great job actually. haven’t seen something like this on youtube so far. thank you for your work sir 🙏🏻

@TechMixr Ай бұрын

This made me smile. Thank you so much for the compliment- I’m glad it’s serving everyone - I had a lot of questions too about human detect autofocus. 🙏🏾

@AllCarsUnited Ай бұрын

As a photographer I'm actually impressed with the face eye for photography only, it's finally able to lock on to a individual when in a crowd. It's almost on par with my old A7r3 and a7s3

@TechMixr Ай бұрын

Hilariously, I’ve never done photography with this camera. I’m one of “those” people 😂 Very interesting! I’ll probably explore the photography side of the S5II one day. For the price point and the continued firmware updates, buying 2 of these was a great decision. Sure the AF isn’t perfect, but it’s leaps and bounds over their former DFD contrast system from the past. Thanks for the insight!

@andrewjeffersonh Ай бұрын

It looks like the existing 2.4v is good then 3.0 there is not much difference as shown in your video. So I will wait for another update.

@uncleanAlibertine1 Ай бұрын

But you must be close to subjects or not? Otherwise will not? I mean in afc mode photography i think

@Lead_N_Iron Ай бұрын

Man! You put in some work testing the firmware! Great information and comparison😅

@TechMixr Ай бұрын

Nothing says committing to testing like cars driving past you giving you looks, while you pace around a parking lot with a stone cold look on your face 😂 Appreciate the compliment my dude! 🙏🏾

@RobertJBallantyne Ай бұрын

I'm almost convinced that this camera is in my near future. I really appreciate the time and effort you put into this examination of the new firmware. 👍👋

@TechMixr Ай бұрын

Thanks so much for the compliment! I hoped to get it out the day the firmware was released but testing took longer than expected. Glad it was helpful!

@BrianSantero Ай бұрын

Super helpful, thanks for this! I've been considering the S5ii/x and now I know to go for first party lenses for the time being.

@TechMixr Ай бұрын

Thanks for the compliment! 🙏🏾 There might be some AF tweaks I might have to do with the Sigma lenses. It’s not as bad as the contrast DFD system from years past, but I found the native glass to be a bit better. I guess I’m going to make even more use of those custom modes 😂

@fabriziopelliccione6810 Ай бұрын

THANK YOU!!!!!

@TechMixr Ай бұрын

No worries at all! Happy to help!

@ryszardzokowski812 Ай бұрын

Thank you for puting so much work to test autofocus. I set my af settings to +3 on both and every time is in focus in oposite what you have in video, but I use different lenses (lumix primes) and didnt zoom image, so that why i may not see this. Aparat from AF, colors on both firmware are much different. You using auto white balance in this test? Or maybe firmware update change something in image?

@TechMixr Ай бұрын

Lots to unpack here. When I went up to +3 it was a disaster so I backed it off to default settings and in my case, it got better. But others with the S5 II have done what you did, and got way better results than I did. Maybe I’m still too new with cameras for this 😂🤦🏾‍♂️ In terms of colour differences, this MIGHT be human error. I never use auto white balance (I white balanced with a grey card for every test / lens change / filter addition) - however, I’m still learning how to correct / grade V-LOG - and only fairly recently got decent at it. Due to the rush of trying to get this video up in a timely fashion, I could have matched things a lot better. But now, I’m curious…… I haven’t updated the 2nd camera as of yet, but am wondering if there is a major colour difference between firmware versions. Thanks for the compliment and insight. This rabbit hole has infinite pathways to explore now 😂🙏🏾

@marinrealestatephotography Ай бұрын

Thank you very much for the reviews and the comparisons. Question for you: At the 4:01 mark where you are doing side-by-side comparisons, do you remember if you had the same white balance and color profile on both cameras? I ask because it seems the color / white balance is different, and I am just wondering whether the firmware caused the white blance differences, or if one of the 20-60 lenses is more green, or whether (like me) you just had an ooppssie with the white balance on one of the cameras? I only bring this up because a lot of times people are so wrapped up about a camera's "color science" and they don't realize all the factors that might affect the colors in any particular shot.

@TechMixr Ай бұрын

So I did have the exact same settings and I white balanced the same way with a grey card but between takes and redoing stuff I wonder if I should have re-white balanced on every take due to the sun changing position even slightly (it was a clear day, but you never know.) I’m also very new at colour grading so I’m betting this is all human error 😂. To be honest - a few of those clips were super long because either someone would walk in the shot or a car would fly past me 😂🤦🏾‍♂️ I still have to update the 2nd camera. I know they shot identically previously on the old firmware. I’ll update this comment (and the few others asking) with those results. Thanks so much for the compliment.

@luisrenkel5177 Ай бұрын

Good and helpful video. I use the Sigma 24-70 art lens and tbh I didn't really see a lot of improvements in the autofocus. And I was always a bit unsatisfied with the af performance in low light but I will make sure to use eye + body detection from now on. Thanks a lot

@TechMixr Ай бұрын

Thanks for the compliment! I’m glad the body tracking tidbit helps out. It really performed well in low light!

@kacperlesniewski7166 Ай бұрын

Great test! Way to go! :) Should we be happy that AF detects a face in the dark if it can't focus on it? Regards! :)

@TechMixr Ай бұрын

Hahahaha I thought the same thing. What I like about it is that if you’re in a challenging lighting condition, it doesn’t pulse terribly like it would previously. All that being said, it’s an improvement from the older firmware. How useful it is, that’s a different discussion 😂 Thanks for the compliment 🙏🏾

@Tech_spert 24 күн бұрын

loved the video

@TechMixr 23 күн бұрын

Appreciate it 🙏🏾

@solarion33 Ай бұрын

you usually need to choose what to focus on for it lock ( yellow frame)

@TechMixr Ай бұрын

Usually, but in a lot of cases from using these cameras since launch, it did a decent job on the kit lens with detection on and focus in 1-area set to the centre. I’ve tried to lock on and it was so inconsistent that I’ve found it better to do it this way. But I’m open to retrying with the new firmware.

@mex5341 Ай бұрын

for the future tests - just use some photos of people/ portraits and put closer to you when you speak just to see how AF-c will work

@denisokolovv Ай бұрын

Yes for me i see quite improved even in 1080p 60fps

@TechMixr Ай бұрын

Amazing!

@DimitriosMegas Ай бұрын

AMAZING review! Thanks for this one! 🫶🏼

@TechMixr Ай бұрын

No worries at all. Thanks so much for the compliment! 🙏🏾

@richardrowland8425 Ай бұрын

loved the testing but the real jump was on the S pro lenses with the update

@TechMixr Ай бұрын

Yeah that I did observe. Stupid expensive awesome lenses 😂 - now I gotta find a sponsor so I can actually afford to get them all 🤦🏾‍♂️

@slows728 Ай бұрын

I mostly use one area without human tracking and I often get very good results. This is really not because of the IBIS and the AF that I almost never use my S5II, both are great.

@TechMixr Ай бұрын

Interesting. I may have to experiment with it turned off …….. BACK TO THE PARKING LOT 😂🤦🏾‍♂️

@z9z1 Ай бұрын

I am confused which batter canon R6 EOS or the Panasonic in the video camera

@TechMixr Ай бұрын

Wish I knew! I don’t have access to any other cameras unfortunately to compare.

@delysid_musicPY Ай бұрын

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@sols9449 Ай бұрын

Did the firmware update change your sensitivity settings? Or reset them?

@TechMixr Ай бұрын

My sensitivity settings were retained! Hope this helps!

@sols9449 Ай бұрын

@@TechMixr the main thing I see is an improvement is that when it’s set to body detection and you’re with multiple people it’s less chaotic and clear to move between people as far as the eye auto focus. I don’t see any improvement.

@TechMixr Ай бұрын

@@sols9449 that seems to be the consensus among many people so far it looks like.

@coin777 Ай бұрын

5:20 why such diferent colors?

@TechMixr Ай бұрын

😂 so I’m FINALLY getting a little comfortable with colour grading. I rushed this video out and even though I manually white balanced with a grey card, I didn’t completely match everything. I do want to update the 2nd camera and compare it to make sure it wasn’t firmware related. But I’m 99% sure it’s my fault 😂 - I’ll update the comment here if there was a change when I apply the update to the other camera.

@samhawkes6597 Ай бұрын

seeing these tests, i cant see why everybody on youtube is raving that this is now on par or close to Sonys auto focus? It is better in certain scenarios, but its still pretty rough compared to Sonys

@TechMixr Ай бұрын

I’m not accusing anybody of clickbait …… but where there’s smoke ….

@KennyCarter90 Ай бұрын

What the heck?? I have teh DJI Rs3 and the Lumix S5 II with latest firmware and the gimbal doesn't track me! How do you set that up? EDIT: Ah I see. You have to pull the trigger. Gosh, I've had this gimbal for a year and I just figured that out!!

@TechMixr Ай бұрын

So when you connect the camera, choose PC tethering. Then I triple pull the trigger to bring the camera towards me. Then once I’m in the framing I want, I just click the trigger once. Let me know if that works, hope this is helpful!

@TechMixr Ай бұрын

Glad it worked out!

@chriss2295 Ай бұрын

Parking shot focusing would have been better on both firmwares if the lighting angle would have been different. A few more degrees and your face would have been lighted better. I have both A7iv and S5ii and I’d say the S5ii firmware 3.0 makes the camera just as usable now. Tap to focus is still useless though and I use that a lot.

@TechMixr Ай бұрын

Fair point. I’m still content with the test. Not all scenarios will be ideal and I’ve tried a similar shot on a friend’s Sony camera months ago and it didn’t have as many issues with it w/ different lens / filter combos.

@jeirg-lr8vf Ай бұрын

It still suck. They don`t fix FF mode 1080 50-60fps pdaf to dfd switch( that was my only complain becouse mostly I shoot FHD50)

@TechMixr Ай бұрын

The things I WISH this camera would do: - 4K60 with no crop (I’m dreaming hard, it won’t happen in this camera) - 1080p120 with phase detect. I’d be happy with this (even with a crop) and I’d use topaz to upscale it to 4K or even 1440 With all their firmware updates they tend to do- MAYBE we’ll see a Firmware 3.5 update that adds PDAF to the 1080p high frame rate modes. I’m not counting on it, but I can dream and hope, right? Question for you, why not do 4K50/60? It retains PDAF. Just curious is all.

@jeirg-lr8vf Ай бұрын

@@TechMixr I buy FF camera with PDAF. If I wanned to shoot in APSC I would buy some crop from sony. Panasonic don`t tell us about FF FHD 50-60 AF switch and if I knew it I rather get sony A7IV

@TechMixr Ай бұрын

@@jeirg-lr8vffair point

@9adriano21 23 күн бұрын

The tracking is more on the RS3 then on the camera tracking, I thought that the new firmware would be awesome to use the gimbal tracking on cars, but even the camera is still tracking, the RS3 loses it. So hopefully there’s a future firmware update that improves the “stickyness”, or maybe the RS4 does it better. Also, which there was a smoother option for such tracking

@NathanKatash Ай бұрын

did you shoot 1080P? 50 or 25?

@TechMixr Ай бұрын

5.9K 29.97 for all except the Sigma 16mm which is only in APSC mode. That lens is limited 4K - so was shot at 29.97 I’m in the NTSC region.

@user-id6gs5xj9b Ай бұрын

Are you an India?

@TechMixr Ай бұрын

West Indian born in Canada.

@JeffBourke Ай бұрын

Embargo on a FIRMWARE update is ridiculous. Panasonic campaigned this firmware update like it was a new camera. Ridiculous. Oh, did I mention took that it’s free???? Free??? Free!! A joke.

@TechMixr Ай бұрын

😂😂👌🏾 Yeah I made sure not to mention the “price” I get that they’re trying to show the value of the camera. Not to knock a bunch of other KZfaqrs, but this was kind of hilarious to see people talk about “game changing” this and that. Don’t get me wrong, I could be guilty of that one day, but today isn’t that day 😂

@ozzozz3529 Ай бұрын

Still no 4k 120 fps 👎👎👎

@TechMixr Ай бұрын

I think because this camera needs to crop in to even do 4K60 - it’s probably a sensor / processor limitation. The hardware probably just can’t do it so a firmware update won’t fix it sadly.

@UnbiddenZed Ай бұрын

wouldn't be a 2000$ camera if the hardware supported it 😊

@ozzozz3529 Ай бұрын

@@UnbiddenZed gh6 do

@UnbiddenZed Ай бұрын

Not a full frame camera...