it is interesting for sure!

This is so dumb. The original trilogy already showed that Luke didn't adhere to the old teachings of the Jedi, why would he suddenly choose to follow them?

@@verbalkint4258 In the Original Trilogy, Luke didn't really know about the old Jedi teachings (or at least not to the extent that he would've later learned through studying the ancient texts). So he couldn't really have been actively trying to not adhere to them. Once he learned about 'the old way' he would've tried to implement that to restore the Jedi Order to its former glory. It was only through Ben Solo's fall that Luke was able to truly realise that the way of the old Jedi Order was completely messed up. The reason he chose to follow them after the OT was because he was "Luke Skywalker, the legend", and if he was able to redeem Darth Vader, then surely he would be able to restore the Jedi Order to its former glory. He became arrogant. Problem is, he also took it to mean that "if you can't do it this way, then I guess you can't do it any way", hence "It's time for the Jedi to end".

@JJ Binks Luke did know about the old jedi ways because Yoda told him about them, albeit indirectly. Yoda told him that he shouldn't go save his friends and that Vader couldn't be brought back to the light, that attachment was dangerous. Luke ignored his advice and did these things anyway, literally the only reason Vader was brought back to the light was due to the attachment and bond they each shared. Luke trying to kill kylo in his sleep goes against everything we've seen from him as a character, you mean to tell me that he "still sensed the good" in Vader, a homicidal sith lord, but felt the need to kill his nephew because of a bad dream? I mean seriously.. none of this is even explained, Luke apparently just "became" this way, when in the OT he was an idealist.

@@verbalkint4258 Luke igniting his saber for just a second is an echo of the same flaw he had when he went savage on Vader and cut off his hand. When his loved ones are threatened, he temporarily goes blind. Note that literally all he did was turn on the weapon, then immediately think better of it, whereas when Vader threatened Leia he went totally berserk for several seconds, and would have cut Vader in two several times had the Sith Lord not been ready to defend himself. No, a momentary lapse of judgment does not mean they manufactured a character flaw that was never there. You are bending over backwards to come up with reasons why the ST is wrong, and you are just plain wrong.

i took me a few years before i learned about that, Rian Johnson is a genius!

I too, am incredibly humble.

why are you here

I think Luke could have a much more significant character and a more heroic person.

these are fair criticisms

a lot of people are like you

this is completely fair, i would have loved to have seen the 3 of them together again, but i didn't need to see it

Thanks for the kind words Paul!

@@thegoldman25 I don't know where people got the idea that Luke was a pacifist but it's wrong. Jedi aren't pacifists. They carry laser swords.

@@thegoldman25Discovered your channel last week and after watching a bunch of your videos; you're the only person who's ever made me appreciate the merits of the sequel trilogy. Well done! 👏🏆

@•°S:F:D:T°• Kylo Ren ?? Ever heard of an opinion??

I understand this

I think what you stated is perfectly reasonable. Being dissapointed in the direction in the sequels is completely reasonable, in fact i can somewhat relate to that. But to say they were ruined is just false

I really like this comment 👍

Glad you enjoyed it

what an original comment

I would say the sequels are that

Glad you enjoyed it!

you're not wrong!

@@thegoldman25 Does it upset you that we didn't get a full on-screen reunion between Luke, Han, AND Leia?

@@gamestation2690 not me

I totally agree!

What are you talking about? Leia was never just the love interest. From the second we meet her, she's a resistance fighter even willing to sacrifice her own planet if it means taking down the empire. She's behaved like a leader. She didn't even like Han at first they had to build to that, so again what are you even talking about?

@@Infamous1892 In ANH I agree she was interesting because she was a strong leader but after that in TESB she was only there to make a love triangle I she barely has importance in the evacuation of Hoth. And in ROTJ she has that scene where she is sexualized and then again in only to kinda end with Han, she has few moments to shine one of the only ones I cam think is with Wicket.

hey, im sorry you feel this way, but for luke I thought his execution was great

@@thegoldman25 I can respect that. I know i said the execution failed but that might not be the right word. It failed more in concept. For what they were going for, it works, and it is a good character arc. I just dont think it works for luke when you take his whole backstory into consideration

i never said people disliked it because he died, i said i understand if people were upset with that

@@thegoldman25 why did Luke make a map to his location if he didn’t want to be found? Could you explain that?

@@ethandyer8162 Luke didn’t make the map. Although the map in question is referred to as the “map to Luke Skywalker” throughout the movie, it's a common misconception that he directly led Rey and the Resistance to him.

@@gamestation2690 then who did make the map no one else but Luke knew where he had gone?

@@ethandyer8162 Technically, it was a map to the First Jedi Temple, and not a map to Luke specifically. They only CALLED it a map to Luke, because they figured it was the most likely place he’d be.

thank you for watching!

i think he was fine in TROS

Thank you!!

fair enough

we call them weirdos

I’m going to be one of them the sequels were shit but one good thing came from them I appreciate the other films much more now

Thanks for watching!

i understand your complaints and they're very fair. Thanks for watching!

i see the ben solo scene differently, check out my video that's linked at the end of this one!

not completely wrong

this is a fair criticism, thanks for watching!

@@thegoldman25 No problem thanks For making a great video

And that is why I want a Properly written (and well handled) Star Wars Show that Focuses on those characters, so we can see the Development of all of that.

i might be on board with this comment

Why? Rose was never a main character. Finn went from token Black guy/ side kick to someone who came up with a strategy to take down the main ship. Poe went from one dimensional action hero to a leader. And Rey went from a lost girl who looked for her worth in others. To her own woman who found self worth. I don't see how they were done dirty.

@@vittoriacolona I agree with you on the others, but Finn was 100% the co-lead character of TFA.

@@vittoriacolona Rose deserved more, Finn basically had the exact opposite transition you said he had, Poe literally only got development in TLJ and Rey was basically turned into a plot device for Kylo Ren's arc

Rey was Fine But Rose and Finn descended more though.

because that's what he liked doing. When people go through traumatic experiences they go back to what they're comfortable with

Thank you!

Thanks for watching!

They were liked more than before because of what disney did with them or attempted. Sadly the new personas are not the same type of icons and never will be. The new ones were ruined.

@@trevturp7687 He wasn't.

@@trevturp7687 Then what we have is a difference of opinion. It happens often in life. We're gonna get through this.

the ST certainly did!

The ST wrote the characters like senior citizens with years of regret and life behind them. Not staryeyed 20 somethings.

that's fair, im only 23 with no kids so what do i know

i don't think the rise of skywalker made luke stupid, what makes you think that?

Thank you so much for sharing!

im glad you like at least one version of these characters

im sorry you don't like the films

great point!

im glad the sequels made you appreciate these characters!

omg

wonderfully said my guy, thanks for watching!

@@thegoldman25 It's always a pleasure for me to watch videos that defend the sequel trilogy with not only elegance but acceptance. Thank you for your talents and keep up the good work.

i appreciate the honesty, thanks for watching!

@@thegoldman25 thanks

you make an awesome point!

hahaha Thanks for watching!

hahah I appreciate it!

@@thegoldman25 amen

if you want sequel praise, you came to the right place

this is fair!

Oh cool!

please leave

i loved Luke before, and I loved him a lot more afterwards

If Mark Hamill didn’t like this Luke…then neither do I

@@keepmovingforward1722 nobody said you have to lol, but Mark doesn't speak for everyone he's just the actor for Luke

@@keepmovingforward1722 Mark didn't say he didn't like this Luke. He admitted that he didn't like the concept of the character. Until he saw it and changed his mind.

​@@vittoriacolona Sequel haters will never accept that. You can dislike whatever you want, but the fact that some people crerated a new version of reality where everyone envolved in the sequels hated them, and Disney is trying to work a way to retcon it is kind of pathetic, in a funny way.

there is definitely room for improvement, but overall im satisfied with what I got

@@thegoldman25 sadly I wasn’t

I don’t like when people accuse filmmakers who are lifelong fans of Star Wars for not understanding it.

these is very respectable

YES

You're out of your mind

same here!

i dont see how that means they were ruined

@@thegoldman25 Tbh Luke becoming a depressed, ambivalent person because of “time” is pretty stupid. He has no reason to even consider killing his nephew considering this is the same guy who brought space hitler back to the light

Straight facts!

i love a lot about both trilogies

idk if i would agree with your first comment, but thanks for watching!

thats what i do

my definition of ruined is that it derailed the stories that came before

You don’t realize how difficult of a task it was to force project for that long, do you? It’s not something to laugh about.

#yeswedo

i disagree

@@thegoldman25 Doesn't change the facts. The Force Awakens retcons A New Hope. Characters grown and change; not revert back to who they were before.

@@Infamous1892 It’s not “retconning.”

straight facts spoken right here

Why is this always the argument. "Oh, it's just not what you wanted. Oh, you're closed minded". Have you ever thought that maybe the execution was just bad and that's what threw people off

@@Cyberleader672 Art is subjective, but to say that the sequels ruined The OT heroes is objectively wrong. You can believe it as an opinion, but to claim they were ruined as a fact is wrong.

@@Fi_Sci_ Then how can you say Objectively they weren't

@@Cyberleader672 you are free to believe it, just don’t claim it as fact. Nuff said.

he had too much development imo

He didn’t lash out at Ben. What are you talking about?

why?

@@thegoldman25 because your video is wrong

@@verbalkint4258 and also because it gives a good idea of what other people think that not only the creator can see but I do agree with you the sequels were shit

you hurt my feelings, i think im gonna quit youtube now

@@thegoldman25 cool please do so. Idiots like you is why Star Wars is hated because you think shitty decisions going into Star Wars makes them better than the originals. Like dude you put last Jedi and force awakens above a new hope and Rotj like are you okay?

facts!

@@thegoldman25 yep

This is not the way. If there is anything you can learn from any of those movies is that being a hateful prick is a path to misery. Don't be a hateful prick, bro.

boooooo

@blaze Star Wars Luke was never a Hateful prick, the sequels completely changed his character to fit their dumb story. The Luke from the OT would never try to kill someone in their sleep, let alone his nephew, especially over a bad dream.

​@@verbalkint4258 I was not talking about Luke. I was talking about the moral message of all Star Wars, inluding the Last Jedi, which actually condems Luke's apathy. But if you want to talk about Luke, let's do this. My friend you are reading this scene backwards. You are saying that Luke would not kill anyone in their sleep? I AGREE. Luke exactly DID NOT do that. The only thing that happened there was that Luke was * tempted * by the darkside to do the deed, but he resisted. Luke is an experienced warrior, a great Jedi Master, and a good person at heart, he never * intended * to kill Ben. That he was tempted so much it took him 10 seconds to snap out of it does not mean he had weak character. It means only that what he saw was so terrifying that he forgot what he stood for. The temptation was so great even the Jedi Master found it difficult to resist it. By comparison in ROTJ he almost killed Vader - the person he was trying to save - exactly because he tried to protect his sister. This impulsiveness is very in line with Luke's character. Except, in ROTJ he had to pummel Vader out and cut his hand off before he snapped out of it. Here, he just ignited his lightsaber. The genius of this scene is that it mirrors the response of haters (not you - as far as I know, you are a critic, not a hater) to the Last Jedi. Haters - claiming that Luke is destroyed - jumped to protect what they loved - Star Wars - and in doing so used all the hate of the universe against Rian Johnson, the cast, disney and so on. In other words, they were tempted by righteous anger to do exactly the same thing that turns a person to the dark side. So, in a similar situation they failed the test and they would have killed Ben to protect what they believed was good. For all they talk about loving the Jedi they failed to learn the simple lesson of all Star Wars: being a hateful prick is a path to misery. Also, why Luke is old and depressed. You know, there is one quote by Joseph Campbell - the person who inspired George Lucase to create Star Wars - which fits the situation of Luke in TLJ: "Freud stresses in his writings the passages and difficulties of the first half of the human cycle of life - those of our infancy and adolescence, when our sun is mounting towards its zenith. C.G. Jung, on the other hand, has emphasized the crises of the second portion - when in order to advance the shining sphere must submit to descend and disappear, at last into the night-womb of the grave". - "The hero with a thousand faces", p. 8. You even have twin sunset at the end of Luke's life. I think Rian Johnson understood this truth profoundly, and hence the portrayal of Luke in TLJ.

@@verbalkint4258 It wasn't a "bad dream" it was a vision of the future that Jedi can sense. Also he didn't try to kill Kylo in his sleep, he just considered it only for a moment. Luke almost killed his own father in Return of the Jedi. He can lose control when the stakes are extreme its a cool character flaw.