Did The Verve Steal BITTER SWEET SYMPHONY?

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Did The Verve Steal BITTER SWEET SYMPHONY?

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Even if you don’t know The Verve, you’ve probably heard their 1997 single Bitter Sweet Symphony.
It’s been used in ads, TV shows and films.
It was nominated for a Grammy Award for Best Rock Song and remains the Verve’s most definitive single. It launched the band into stardom. And it’s arguably one of the greatest songs of the last 25 years. It feels grand and that’s thanks to its orchestral elements. The Verve’s frontman, Richard Ashcroft was almost ready to scrap the song until producer Martin Glover put the strings over top of it. That’s when Ashcroft really got excited. But that’s also where The Verve’s biggest problem lied.
The Verve’s Bitter Sweet Symphony uses a string sample from Andrew Oldham Orchestra’s symphonic version of “The Last Time.” The song was inspired by The Rolling Stone’s first major single, “The Last Time”
The Verve cleared the sample with Decca Records but The Verve didn’t think to get the permission for the underlying Stones track that inspired the composition until after their track was completed - and why would they? The orchestral version was only inspired by the Rolling Stone’s track.
For those rights, they needed to talk to Allen Klein, the “music business boogeyman.” He first said no, but then granted them a license. The Verve says the deal was initially for a 50/50 split but when the single started to perform well, Klein claimed that The Verve broke the license agreement and used a larger portion of the sample than agreed upon.
Klein ended up suing the The Verve for plagiarism. The band decided to settle out of court thinking it would be cheaper than fighting a legal battle that might not go their way. Klein, demanded 100% royalties and songwriting credits attributed to Mick Jagger and Keith Richards. So remember that Grammy Nomination? It had Jagger and Richards name on the ballot too.
What song did bittersweet symphony steal from?
It didn’t “steal” exactly. They used a sample and got the license for it but failed to get the license for the track that inspired the song they sampled.
What song did bittersweet symphony sample?
Andrew Oldham Orchestra’s “The Last Time,” a symphonic rendition of The Rolling Stone’s “The Last Time”
Who did bittersweet symphony?
English rock band The Verve
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@Middle8 3 жыл бұрын

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@kajetanmiliankovic3183 3 жыл бұрын

huh.

@Traveler-VII 2 жыл бұрын

Odd that you made this comment 2 years after posting this video.

@eduardpeeterlemming 2 жыл бұрын

Its amazing melody

@allday-xx4zw 11 ай бұрын

So samples were done like rap music?

@SOinTX 10 ай бұрын

Crazy that all the bands in the 50, 60, and 70s freely robbed black artists of their music and they had the gaul to fight over infringements.

@billybandit6505 5 жыл бұрын

"you're a slave to the money then you die" perfect line to end it on

@ishthefish9006 4 жыл бұрын

@@Viajealduende he did what he could get away with not what was right dont confuse the two..legal right is a bullshit word to excuse evil.

@jacquelinepayne4737 4 жыл бұрын

@Josh S. Not when you are stealing from another artist. Black artists were often mislead about publishing rights. Very few were able to keep what was there’s. Nat King Cole would send a bill to a person who invited him to their party and then asked him to “play a little something, won’t you”.

@anti-ethniccleansing465 4 жыл бұрын

@Jacqueline Payne Oh here we go again with the bIack-victim complex narrative. So old and tiring.

@treenalll 4 жыл бұрын

Anti - Ethnic Cleansing Shush.

@HalfdeadRider 3 жыл бұрын

@@anti-ethniccleansing465 I agree, anyone no matter the colour of their skin gets robbed blind in the music industry if they don't have their heads screwed on tight enough, or have the right people around them.

@kjamison5951 5 жыл бұрын

Now Klein is dead and Jagger and Richards have signed over all the song rights back to The Verve. It only took 22 years.

@Viajealduende 5 жыл бұрын

Jagger/Richards didn't have a say till Klein's death. Allen Klein died owing them $15million since for 48 years.

@jacquelinepayne4737 4 жыл бұрын

@Josh S. Somehow getting the royalties from this ONE SONG makes up for all of that.

@ryanmcnair3451 4 жыл бұрын

Oh thank God justice prevailed. A real bitter sweet victory!

@ethanburns8209 4 жыл бұрын

MatchstalkMan good

@boring.3486 4 жыл бұрын

This is why we pay artists! Samples aren’t cute if you’re not accredited!

@raychrismusic 2 жыл бұрын

I love how bittersweet symphony is literally about what ended up happening

@willritter4076 6 ай бұрын

I'd be honored if some 90s fans would take a quick listen to my acoustic piano & vocal YT performances of BITTERSWEET SYMPHONY by the Verve and "1979" by the Smashing Pumpkins in tribute to 2 of the most iconic 90s bands. Live acoustic with no autotune or digital editing. Peace out and stay safe in the '020s.

@markrosstomlin 4 жыл бұрын

“When I’m listening to Bittersweet Symphony, I know I’m listening to The Verve.” Hell yeah! Spot on mate!

@stasia5463 2 жыл бұрын

yes!!

@charlesdominguez4245 6 жыл бұрын

"You're a slave to the money then you die"... ironically, that line Sure applies to this situation.

@willritter4076 5 жыл бұрын

do you think Ashcroft is still a slave to money though? He probably earned some decent cash from album sales and live shows... I'd be honored if some Verve/90s fans would check out my acoustic piano & vocal covers of BITTERSWEET SYMPHONY and HIGH & DRY by Radiohead on my channel in tribute to the legends. Live acoustic with no autotune or digital editing. Thanks and peace out.

@realtalk1111 5 жыл бұрын

No reason to throw principles away. Verve was screwed just like the original creators of the initial song. No one got what they deserved for better or worse. Came down to greed and Klein had a life built around it obviously. Listen man this is not the way to advertise your music. I watched quite a few of your videos and I'm going to be honest. You sing from your chest almost 100% of the time even when it doesn't make sense. You are putting way too much into way too many notes with a tone that comes from your chest when it shouldn't. It comes across as struggling and/or trying too hard. Just not natural for a lot of notes. Look into "chest voice" vs. "head voice". You have seemingly good understanding of vibrato though. vibrato seemed pretty on point in the videos I watched and I can tell you have put effort into it. Edit: Awesome piano skills

@BenBelanger4 5 жыл бұрын

It's funny because right after that he thanks patreons then does an add (6:11)

@abigailturner7752 5 жыл бұрын

Charles Dominguez well said

@Pyriscent 5 жыл бұрын

I am so confused here.. why is musical theft and sampling being defended? They knew they didn't have the full rights and went ahead with it anyway? Why didn't they sign a contract for those rights? Sounds like they just stole it honestly. It isn't adding up.

@warriorjgamer 5 жыл бұрын

Sooo who else is here after hearing that Ashcroft has finally got the royalties for the song

@MarVinylLover 5 жыл бұрын

Me! :)

@socks7545 5 жыл бұрын

👋

@davidzof 5 жыл бұрын

No but I was here a few days before hearing Ashcroft had got the rights. Wasn't there also a legal dispute with David Whitaker at one time?

@inkeriperonius6107 5 жыл бұрын

Yes! Glad he's getting his money now. It's a brilliant song.

@rightuppercut1426 5 жыл бұрын

Didn’t know that. So good to hear.

@Rich.H68 5 жыл бұрын

I hope the Verve rerelease it and it's massive again just as a poke in the eye to greed.

@Sunraze1 4 жыл бұрын

Word

@amydopson2946 4 жыл бұрын

Praying for a release....so I can buy like 15 copies, for everyone in the family! 😎

@JulieWallis1963 4 жыл бұрын

Rich H can you not just downloaded ad it from iTunes and let the Verve get the credit now?

@georgedoyle7971 4 жыл бұрын

julie Wallis I can’t believe they got away with this. I’d struggle to even listen to a stones track now. I’ll defo be downloading from ITunes after this.

@dabhob333 4 жыл бұрын

No....no...no...no

@3DPeter 5 жыл бұрын

1997, that's 22 years ago. Damn, time does fly alright.

@bipbipletucha 5 жыл бұрын

1990 WAS 40 YEARS AGO DAMN WE GETTING OLD

@babiddyboo1246 5 жыл бұрын

@@bipbipletucha Uh 1990 was 29 years ago my friend..

@bipbipletucha 5 жыл бұрын

@@babiddyboo1246 it's a reference. Look it up

@jessiehermit9503 4 жыл бұрын

@@bipbipletucha 1990 was only _30_ years ago. 1980 was 40 years ago, not 1990.

@antoniocurry6447 Ай бұрын

I Was 20 In 1997

@fidyldounmccree 5 жыл бұрын

The Verve just got the rights back-time for an update!!

@justinb954 5 жыл бұрын

Vids Vids Kids-they got 100% royalties' from the stones. Very Generous

@neilzthered 5 жыл бұрын

I hope Allen Klein burns in hell

@frenkiedemart5601 4 жыл бұрын

@@neilzthered yes, he was always an asshole.

@frenkiedemart5601 4 жыл бұрын

but can they play it with strings?

@laartwork 4 жыл бұрын

It would be nice if they could get back royalties lost.

@miked9466 6 жыл бұрын

I hate greedy people who have more then enough money, but continue to make life miserable for others while hiding behind high priced lawyers. SMH

@andythomas706 6 жыл бұрын

Mike D: Bet you'd like it to be The Stones fault wouldn't you? Unfortunately....it's not. They had nothing to do with it!

@miked9466 6 жыл бұрын

Why would anyone like it to be The Stones fault. Ha ha I wrote layers instead of lawyers.

@andythomas706 6 жыл бұрын

Leo: I Don't. I think he's talking about Jagger and Richards! Alan Klein is a high priced lawyer, he doesn't hide behind one.

@underspon 6 жыл бұрын

The circle of logic is complete!

@Pyriscent 5 жыл бұрын

@puppydata1701 4 жыл бұрын

"...you're a slave to money then you die..." Sums it up perfectly.

@alisoninwonderland8398 2 жыл бұрын

I hope this gets rereleased so the younger generation get to love it as much as we have ❤

@jackconnolly5339 6 жыл бұрын

Loved this song as a kid, used to make me feel invincible. Fuck that Klein guy heart goes out to the Verve.

@thevoid99 6 жыл бұрын

klein also fucked over alejandro jodorowsky for years until klein's son made a deal with jodorowsky and made things right.

@coleberggren1346 6 жыл бұрын

Klein's son needs to call The Verve and make this right.... Fucking rotten.

@terrortower666 6 жыл бұрын

Jack Connolly Your so right.

@j335h5 6 жыл бұрын

I love hearing all these music stories that I didn't know about, and the way you do it is really nice. Well structured, well researched, and well edited. Great work

@Middle8 6 жыл бұрын

J335H thanks! It’s a lot of work!

@hesselvanurk 4 жыл бұрын

Mister Oldham "borrowed" his inspiration from: "In The Hall Of The Mountain King" from The Peer Gynt suite by Edvard Grieg and then dares to sue The Verve - strange world

@prizzzma 3 жыл бұрын

Its always sad when lawyers and money gets in the middle of art.

@Guido.Fawkes.1 Жыл бұрын

“Send lawyers, guns and money…”

@daisyd7815 2 ай бұрын

KLEIN you say hmmmm

@TaylorMade511 6 жыл бұрын

Mick Jagger said that once a song is out there it belongs to everybody.

@ArlanKels 5 жыл бұрын

@HFS40000 Capitalism is all about making the money, and the easiest way to make money is to screw others over.

@thomasalexand 5 жыл бұрын

@@suburban60sKid Yes. Mostly grey people who sit behind a desk and a phone and fleece as much as they can from young performers. Think about how many aspiring musicians who slept in squats and lived hand to mouth and most failed to make their mark. And there were some who left university and promising careers to follow their dreams in music. Grubby music executives, agents, lawyers, managers etc etc taking as much as they can get away with. The Bay City Rollers were pressured to sign a contract (here boys quick!) seconds before going on stage to find out later that Tam Paton their manager (sic) took virtually all of their money. There was even a television documentary about Les McKeown their lead singer who naturally wouldn't let it rest.

@diabl2master 5 жыл бұрын

@HFS40000 Except through the whole Verve thing he and Keith Richards just sat back and took the money.

@jeffk1722 5 жыл бұрын

But Mick Jagger was big at a time when even if you tried to re-release an existing song as your own, you would fall way short because the infrastructure of the industry isn't in your favor as a small fish with little resources. The Rolling Stones and the Beatles didn't have to worry much about people when they were in their heyday, because record companies, radio stations, and TV stations were all on their bandwagon.

@apollo9844 5 жыл бұрын

Joshua Taylor Madison Easy to say that when you’re making money off of it.

@grahamlucas7654 5 жыл бұрын

UPDATED: Nearly 22 years after the Verve’s “Bittersweet Symphony” was released, the Rolling Stones’ Mick Jagger and Keith Richards have assigned to Richard Ashcroft the songwriter royalties and rights from the song, which samples one of their compositions, and removed their writing credits. The news was first reported by the BBC and New Musical Express.

@bcpr9812 5 жыл бұрын

Any retroactive royalties, though? Ashcroft got screwed out of over two decades pay, which surely affected his career to some extent. He deserves the money they took in that time, with interest. Mick Jagger and Keith Richards can definitely afford it.

@jj9749 5 жыл бұрын

And David Whitaker, the guy who actually wrote the music, gets how much?

@rabarberellum1017 5 жыл бұрын

@@bcpr9812 I'm pretty sure they got that to. Interest I don't know.

@dianneparker4968 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for posting this. I was seriously angry at what happened to The Verve. Okay, so it took 20+ years, but happy the Stones did the right thing!

@amydopson2946 4 жыл бұрын

This shit would have NEVER happened in the US. VERVE FOREVER! I love The Stones, but I might NEVER buy one thing of theirs again after this BULLSHIT.

@mrhodes1210 5 жыл бұрын

"You're a slave to the money then you die"... ironically, that line Sure applies to this situation. Everything creative can be matched up to something else creative that came before it. No hard feelings or anything, but the world is a more creative place without Allen Klein.

@GORILLABREATH1 3 жыл бұрын

That Dirty no talent moneygrubbing - - - !!!!!!!!!!!

@legasiguy551 5 жыл бұрын

So let's get this straight, The Verve, took an orchestral version of a Stones tune, slowed it to half time, used no melody or lyrics, used only the chord progression accompaniment, put a NEW string countermelody, ask for and GET permission to use the sample that can't really even be heard and then get sued for 100% of the royalties and LOSE?? WTF??? They got screwed, plain and simple! IT sounds NOTHING like the Stones track! Keith, Mic and the record execs took their money, plain and simple! If the tunes sound anything else, the string line sounds like a baroque line from some JS Bach work, but that's public domain.

@Sciencedgofood 5 жыл бұрын

They were granted the right to use the music as a sample. They based the whole song on it therefore had to give up all songwriting credits because they obviously didn't write it. Pretty simple really

@legasiguy551 5 жыл бұрын

@@Sciencedgofood I'm an ASCAP composer so I think I know what I'm talking about. Read my post again! I go over how they sampled the song. If you know how to read, "it's pretty simple. really".

@Sciencedgofood 5 жыл бұрын

@@legasiguy551 the Verve knew what they did was wrong, that's why they agreed to lose all songwriting credits. They didn't even bother to try to take it to court

@thomasalexand 5 жыл бұрын

But why should the Rolling Stones not get what's owed to them. They need the money, don't they? Don't they? Only joking. I've played the song over and over again and I have a really good ear and I cannot see what they've pinched. This is really mean spirited. In Klein's case - and being a Lennon fan I have to agree that Paul was right - Klein was a shyster on the end of a phone. In most cases you don't need much talent to be a manager or an agent, but boy the rewards can be great.

@Sciencedgofood 5 жыл бұрын

@@thomasalexand 0:50 there you go :-)

@danstevenson3262 5 жыл бұрын

It seems that at the end of April 2019 the fight is over. “It gives me great pleasure to announce as of last month Mick Jagger and Keith Richards agreed to give me their share of the song Bitter Sweet Symphony,” Ashcroft said in a statement. “This remarkable and life-affirming turn of events was made possible by a kind and magnanimous gesture from Mick and Keith, who have also agreed that they are happy for the writing credit to exclude their names and all their royalties derived from the song they will now pass to me.”

@chickenlegsTV 5 жыл бұрын

I know the composition is great and all, but to me the lyrics what gets me the most and it's written by Ashcroft himself.

@RobertStoll 5 жыл бұрын

Music constantly borrows from other music. This copyright thing does not work as intended.

@CurtHowland 5 жыл бұрын

An extraordinarily good example of how destructive Copyright is.

@normanclatcher Жыл бұрын

Intellectual property as theft. It really _is_ a bittersweet symphony.

@xulnad 5 жыл бұрын

Im glad they took that risk, This songs amazing and absolutely beautiful

@stillspooky 2 жыл бұрын

Almost as beautiful as Andrew Loog Oldham's cover of "The Last Time"

@therealaustinpowers1967 4 жыл бұрын

So the line "You're a slave to money and then you die" makes so much sense now.

@brdonaldson 4 жыл бұрын

UPDATE: The Stones recently gave the song and royalty rights back to The Verve!

@thornway6591 3 жыл бұрын

For what? Its too late,,,lol

@oreochocolate_lavacake9960 3 жыл бұрын

Yayy

@karenflam 5 жыл бұрын

Verve is finally getting royalties now!!!

@music-life. 4 жыл бұрын

after 22 years 😱, thx god i love this song from '97

@ozymandias1935 4 жыл бұрын

too late

@dwilloughby13 4 жыл бұрын

How about when the song was huge though, they need to re- release it, it's a timeless song this generation would like it, they were toddlers when this song came out, so for them it would be new

@thomsboys77 4 жыл бұрын

dwilloughby13 Most kids/teens have heard the song. It’s not as if the song was only released in 1997 then disappeared from existence ever since...

@Quoutub 3 жыл бұрын

The rights were transferred to Ashcroft, so it could be possible that The Verve still get nothing... Hopefully that's not the case.

@HeliRy 6 жыл бұрын

It's almost as if the lyrics were foreshadowing of the events that the song would trigger...

@robbymonaco3738 11 ай бұрын

It's amazing how 5 notes can cause so much drama

@oldmatebutler 5 жыл бұрын

Makes the title “Bittersweet” all the more poetic... their best tune, no financial glory

@abhirajranjan8070 6 жыл бұрын

This is song is even more heartbreaking now .

@michaelpyle6856 6 жыл бұрын

This is by far my favourite channel on youtube atm. You sir, are a legend

@Middle8 6 жыл бұрын

Michael Pyle thanks!

@richardherzog5405 6 жыл бұрын

Michael Pyle Stop throwing the word legend idiot.

@santiagobenites 6 жыл бұрын

Richard Herzog Stop throwing the word idiot fool.

@michaelpyle6856 6 жыл бұрын

santiagobenites Stop throwing the word fool around, chump

@rhudiforster2737 2 жыл бұрын

I am English and a lifelong football fan and I first heard this when England used visual effects and this song to view the whole London as an England flag. It was so cool and the song never gets old.

@wolfancap6897 4 жыл бұрын

And when i say Intelectual property is a scam, people call me mad.

@akiblue 5 жыл бұрын

"The best song Jagger and Richards have written in 20 years." -- Richard Ashcroft

@Johnny-mb9vy 5 жыл бұрын

Lmao did he actually say that

@akiblue 5 жыл бұрын

He did! LOL @@Johnny-mb9vy

@kdoc1483 5 жыл бұрын

Keith Richards said if Ashcroft is so good let him write a better song . And we still waiting

@kdoc1483 5 жыл бұрын

@@kenichi407 no for Richard Ashcroft to write a good song where he doesn't rip off an entire song

@rickyn58 5 жыл бұрын

they didn't write it it is a traditional tune check out the Staple singers ''this may be my last time'' Jagger even said we were lucky the Staple singers couldn't sue it was a traditional tune

@MarkNealon 5 жыл бұрын

My thoughts... it's a fair sample. And the sampled track isn't a Rolling Stones track. Certainly the sampled element has nothing to do with the original Stones song. The whole case is ludicrous.

@mikedavies1489 5 жыл бұрын

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@tc2241 5 жыл бұрын

They could've easily won that lawsuit; settled out of court and lost all royalties and adjusted writers credentials......

@peacelovekillemall 5 жыл бұрын

@Pete's Guitar Lessons TV Yeah, but not Stones' hook but rather the hook of the Orchestral version by Andrew Oldham. If anyone should've been credited and payed it's him/the orchestra.

@blackmore4 5 жыл бұрын

@@peacelovekillemall The orchestral section wasn't arranged by Oldham. He was credited as the artist (The Andrew Oldham Orchestra) on that 1966 version of 'The Last Time' from 'The Rolling Stones Songbook' (an instrumental album of Stones' songs). The arranger - the person who created that epic orchestral riff and who conducted during the recording - was David Sinclair Whitaker. Oldham had nothing to do with it. While Ashcroft definitely cribbed a bit of the melody from Jagger & Richards' song, the main thing everyone remembers from the Verve's 'Bittersweet Symphony' is the sample Ashcroft used from Whitaker's recording of the orchestral riff. And Whitaker received nothing but his arrangement fee back in 1966 (probably about fifty quid). The fact that Jagger & Richards and now Ashcroft have been the primary financial benefactors from it is a joke. The songwriting credit for 'Bittersweet Symphony' SHOULD read Jagger - Richards - Whitaker - Ashcroft.

@Viajealduende 5 жыл бұрын

@Pete's Guitar Lessons TV That's probably true.

@reedtheinfinite 4 жыл бұрын

Bruh that’s so fire how they took a sample and created a whole new world out of it. Music is so sick

@amrnshb 4 жыл бұрын

“when i’m listening to bitter sweet symphony, i know i’m listening to The Verve.”

@laughisgood 5 жыл бұрын

Huge "The Verve" fan here. This was enlightening, it really explains the depth of the dispute, when you said "I know i am listening to the Verve" i got the chills man

@thedevilsrathermenacingfri2579 6 жыл бұрын

The verve got truly screwed, one of the finest groups of the nineties was blown to shreds because of this, oddly Richard Ashcroft is opening for the stones in Manchester this june

@coleberggren1346 6 жыл бұрын

I hope he dedicates this to the Staple Singers... Fuck Keith Richards.

@jarg8 6 жыл бұрын

The Devils Rather Menacing Friend That's crazy. Sucks everyone knows the band just for this song. Their first two albums are near perfection. Bittersweet Symphony is everything they weren't.

@duderama6750 6 жыл бұрын

Yeah, good band, still love that music.

@crabbtrixexp 6 жыл бұрын

i hope that's the rolling stones way of offering an olive branch, in reality its probably not their fault. As a further note though, i do wish Jagger and co would pay their taxes like everyone else

@duderama6750 6 жыл бұрын

crabbtrixexp I don't think that the Stones had anything to do with the suit. They are richer than rich, they don't need to be worrying about that shit.

@marimiller9937 4 жыл бұрын

This really pisses me off big time. I absolutely have loved this song for years, since it came out. It never gets old. It’s a classic and for that grinch to steal the heart 💜 of the group and their song, well that’s sooooooo CRIMINAL😤😤😤🤬 A frigid MAN indeed 🥶🥶🥶

@oopsadaze 5 жыл бұрын

I think there is more to the story, recently The Verve's Richard Ashcroft finally secures 'Bitter Sweet Symphony' royalties after 20 year Rolling Stones legal battle.

@kwakekamdivasi591 5 жыл бұрын

No hard feelings or anything, but the world is a more creative place without Allen Klein.

@Pyriscent 5 жыл бұрын

This isn't their song... so... I am so confused here.. why is musical theft and sampling being defended? They knew they didn't have the full rights and went ahead with it anyway? Why didn't they sign a contract for those rights? Sounds like they just stole it honestly. It isn't adding up.

@afelipe1288 5 жыл бұрын

Oh nice he is dead

@robotmaster4515 5 жыл бұрын

@@Pyriscent Think about it like this. Remixes exist correct by your logic remixes are bad as they have stolen music by the original creator. But is it bad as they made a even better song because of creativity. Now bith the verve and people who make remixes didn't steal the original song they drew inspiration from it and made something much more amazing.

@3replybiz 5 жыл бұрын

@@themakerstoolbox9688 Suggest you listen to the Andrew Loog Oldham version of 'The Last Time' from 1965 and then the Verve's 'BSS.' They are identical.

@jubiejubejubajube 5 жыл бұрын

@@Pyriscent The Stones stole it from The Staple Sisters & they got no royalties..

@Middle8 6 жыл бұрын

Is there a music story you think needs more attention? Leave your suggestion in the comments below.

@ericmuir3356 6 жыл бұрын

a story on the ramones would be tight

@sayhellomonster4302 6 жыл бұрын

Wild nothing Washed out Please?

@bradpeacock8764 6 жыл бұрын

Richard Ashcroft

@utqiagvik1991 6 жыл бұрын

Mayhem - one member murdered band leader and burned churches in Norway, another one member killed himself, and another one helped him to kill himself.

@janeoliver1790 6 жыл бұрын

Middle 8 do goodbye horses by Q lazzarus

@TheTouristBureau 4 жыл бұрын

The entire Urban Hymns album is brilliant. I’m glad Ashcroft & co. finally received the financial compensation they deserved 2 decades after making the quasi-Stones orchestral sample into arguably the best and most profitable Stones song of the last 20 years.

@primalconvoy 4 күн бұрын

Also, the music video is based upon the video to Massive Attack's "Unfinished Symphony", plus the comedy song, "Vindaloo" also directly homages the "Bittersweet Symphony" video. Later on, Issey Cross made two music tracks (with similar beats), with samples from "Bittersweet Symphony" (which another Drum n Base artist had previously also sampled) and a track by Moby too.

@drumOska 6 жыл бұрын

Wow, the lyrics have such a bigger context now.

@carolynkeene5444 6 жыл бұрын

Mike Matza, I hadn't noticed the irony until your comment !

@Vishika-h2o 6 жыл бұрын

I was going through the comments trying to find the word "Irony", and here it is.

@nocomment1469 6 жыл бұрын

No , you just finally growing up and seeing the world.

@AlexBallMusic 6 жыл бұрын

Brilliantly explained. I knew most of the story, but you filled in all the details - thank you! Another one that's not a million miles away - Labi Siffre has 100% of the publishing in Eminem's "My name is" after he declined use of the sample and they released it anyway. Not sure how it works on the master recording side. Would be interested to know if you're ever doing another video like this.

@bassinblue 2 жыл бұрын

Sometimes a risk has to be taken. Eminem's team and label knew they wouldn't get the royalties, but fuck the royalties if you can get international attention on the album. End of the day Labi only takes royalties off that song. It's a smart move and obviously a loss at the same time. Most artists are greedy and talk the talk of ''art should be free'' just as Labi goes '' you squander wealth, that's mine''. Funny how things turn out.

@Ep0nz 9 ай бұрын

Richard has his song back, all is well again! The history of this song, with the lyrics literally coming to life, was something else. Just glad Richard finally got his song back, even if it is 20+ years later and the song has been completely milked. Smh. I would LOVE for a new movie, or even TikTok (can’t believe I’m saying this) to blow this song back up into mainstream popularity so Richard and the band can get their due share of the $$!

@johngrear6506 4 жыл бұрын

Klein is now in hell, stuck in a room having to listen to Bitter Sweet Symphony at full volume for eternity :-)

@luke7167 6 жыл бұрын

Well that's just Bitter sweet

@pukeyourguts 6 жыл бұрын

that's life

@igodinoel 6 жыл бұрын

Literally Bitter Sweet Symphony

@bulborb6824 6 жыл бұрын

just bitter

@onewomanandsomesongs 6 жыл бұрын

So ridiculous. The Verve just ran into a greedy person. And you’re right, it is The Verve when we hear Bittersweet Symphony. I never thought they used that much of the sample or that it even sounded similar.

@rumblefish9 6 жыл бұрын

not their only song that sounds like another song. the song the drugs don't work sounds like crowded house's better be home soon. so similar that neil finn mentioned it.

@pauly260 6 жыл бұрын

So true. Ever since copyright lawsuits became a thing, music got worse. If those old blues men had legal teams in the sixties, Cream, Eric Clapton, The Doors, LED Zeppelin, Janis Joplin, and yeah, The Rolling Stones wouldn’t exist. If someone can take your song and make it better, LET THEM. Keep your percentage, and don’t get litigation happy.

@HorribleSonofa 6 жыл бұрын

Ashcroft had a savage retort to all this, when he said (roughly), “If Bittersweet Symphony is a Jagger/Richards song, it’s one of the best they ever wrote.”

@ferox965 6 жыл бұрын

Not only is there a sample from a Stones song, it sounds like the Stone wrote it...I remember when the song came out...thought to myself, man...the new Stones tune sure is lame. ..

@oh-totoro 6 жыл бұрын

You don't think they sound similar? Seriously?! I have listened to a lot of comparisons between songs when a track is supposedly stolen, and I'm often baffled as I cannot hear any likeness between the two, but in this case, you can CLEARLY hear they are very much the same. Not only that, but you can also clearly hear samples from The Last Time throughout the entirety of Bittersweet Symphony, from start to finish. I'm not even sure it counts as a sample when you use it through the whole of the track.

@doofwarrior954 4 жыл бұрын

"It's a bitter sweet symphony that's life"

@davidnissim589 3 жыл бұрын

Allen Klein passed away, so Jagger & Richards gave the song rights back to Ashcroft.

@foodbiztoday9129 5 жыл бұрын

This has always bothered me! I appreciate the detailed reporting of this f'd up "sample (plagiarism) scandal". UPDATE: Mick and Keith just gave up all rights and royalties... Hopefully Ashcroft and the Verve will FINALLY get to enjoy the benefits of this great song!

@jamescaleb9676 7 ай бұрын

99% of the money is already earned though. too little too late

@inthefade 6 жыл бұрын

It's amazing. That single sample is so easily replaced, IMO. They could have hired a small string quartet and maybe even changed the progression a little bit with inverted chords or something. Absolutely crazy.

@grantmalone 6 жыл бұрын

Agree about the sample. Changing the chords is trickier. Small changes make big differences. Change them enough to avoid any sign of plagiarism and you may lose the effect entirely. But yeah, worth trying at least.

@thedave7760 6 жыл бұрын

Or just not even tell anybody and released the song anyway NOBODY!! would have known. Everything is derived from something else.

@badideabearcub2747 6 жыл бұрын

With all the strings arrangements the song already sounded very different, they should just take the samples out.

@FerryLuckyMan 6 жыл бұрын

KZfaq ---> "A Bitter Sweet Story: A Fanmade Documentary"

@zazz63 6 жыл бұрын

I Agree...they could have easily just redone it ..Why don’t they do it today and just call it a remaster.

@tryksta7247 4 жыл бұрын

A bittersweet symphony. Tryin' to make ends meet, you're a slave to money, then you die. This could be the most ironic song ever made.

@staciehenderson6982 3 жыл бұрын

I used this song as my ringtone for YEARS, although in hindsight I feel a bit guilty about that now. 🤔 Maybe I should send Ashcroft a check or something? Lol Nevertheless, congrats to R.A. for FINALLY getting his due for this beautiful song!

@robertscottpurse1 6 жыл бұрын

I'm surprised Alan Klein gave any royalty money to The Stones after that. He swindled them out of their publishing rights and millions.

@undeadMahrukh 6 жыл бұрын

The verve didn't deserve this. The world is all wrong. I love The Verve. They were Great and still are greatest for me. I always knew this story. But watching this again hurts me again knowing how great the verve have always been.

@MF-LXRD 6 жыл бұрын

Alexa Spears you're English is just dreadful.

@MF-LXRD 6 жыл бұрын

Alexa Spears you have an IQ level of .001

@abrahamramirez5725 6 жыл бұрын

Bruh, I wouldn’t be talking you can’t even use the proper “your”. If you’re going to criticize someone’s writing at least make sure not to fuck up the first word. You’re just making a fool out of yourself smh.

@aplaguedoctor406 6 жыл бұрын

You are English is just dreadful???? Bro if her IQ is .001 then yours is .000

@minermike61 6 жыл бұрын

It doesn't take much to kill off creativity. The Stones certainly didn't need the money. They made a great recording. As for you Grammar Nazis, I agree but give it a rest you pud pullers.

@sankaspa5738 2 ай бұрын

Is there any complete version of the Mashup you did of both the orchestral and original version of "the last time" cuz shit was fire

@patrickguitarplayer Жыл бұрын

The Verve took a bunch of "meh" songs that were already a copy of a copy of a copy... and made a work of art.

@LoveThatRod 5 жыл бұрын

Glad to see Mick & Keith have now righted things with Ashcroft - very financially honorable of them!

@Slax15 5 жыл бұрын

They righted it after the song was bled dry, empty blessing.

@theneonchimpchannel9095 6 жыл бұрын

Richard Ashcroft has since said it was kind fitting that the royalties from a song criticizing being a slave to money were taken from them. As for the sample, a lot of people believe that it's the entire string section which is actually not true, it is just those 4 notes and the main thing they actually sampled from it was the bells, the rest was re-recorded and the main signature melody wasn't even part of the sample. The song should be credited as written by Richard Ashcroft, string arrangements by Wil Malone based on work by David Whitaker and Andrew Loog Oldham, containing a sample of "The Last Time" by Mick Jagger and Keith Richards performed by The Andrew Loog Oldham Orchestra. It was totally unfair how The Verve lost out on their biggest hit. Interesting, Allen Klein was also the owner of Bright Tunes, the company that sued George Harrison over "My Sweet Lord" having a similar chord structure to "He's So Fine". Klein was George's manager at the time he wrote and recorded "My Sweet Lord" and didn't think to mention the similarity. Nor did Phil Spector who produced by records. In a somewhat ironic twist, when George was recording demos for the album which contained "My Sweet Lord", he changed the lyrics of the song "Beware Of ABKCO" as apparently Klein had walked into the room as he was recording. If only he'd taken his flippant comment seriously he could have avoided himself a lot of trouble.

@tosleepanddream 6 жыл бұрын

Allen Klein bought Bright Tunes while the plagiarism suit was pending and tried to get more money out of George that way (because Klein then became the plaintiff) and the judge told him he couldn't do that. George ended up with the rights to "He's So Fine" after that. And really, "My Sweet Lord" sounds more like the Edwin Hawkins Singers' "Oh Happy Day" (the song's main inspiration) than The Chiffons' "He's So Fine"... at least to me.

@RustyWood 6 жыл бұрын

The Neon Chimp Channel I totally agree

@theneonchimpchannel9095 6 жыл бұрын

Well that was the actual inspiration, and even then I think it's different enough. I'd say someone just wanted to make some money. Klein seems like he was a bit dodgy. McCartney was right not to trust him. If only that intuition kicked in when he met Heather Mills lol.

@kingstonbjong6233 6 жыл бұрын

It's five notes, had it been four, no problem.

@craigjgomez 6 жыл бұрын

Yes, so unfair. EXCEPT, if not for the controversy about the song, The Verve would have faded into oblivion never achieving worldwide acclaim. If I were Richard Ashcroft I would take the "no royalties" and build on it. Only he didn't do that. So bittersweet!

@momentarysongs 27 күн бұрын

Brilliant video, thanks for putting it together in such a wonderful way 🙏🎶

@djzn 2 жыл бұрын

This is 2022 and I took a first listen on "The Last Time". I did it because I recently bought Richard Ashcroft's "Acoustic Hymns Vol .1". I was pretty shocked they managed to pull a lot off that song, even the drums arrangement and bells! But of course this would lead to a dispute. The Verve wrote so many good songs, they didn't need to make this move.

@pearlfisher2813 5 жыл бұрын

Mick and Keith just granted all royalties to the Verve/Ashcroft yesterday.

@ozymandias1935 4 жыл бұрын

too late for that

@carlostejada1479 4 жыл бұрын

D Mack that Klein is an asshole!!!

@sallythomas8599 3 жыл бұрын

Bittersweet

@LegendaryRadioJock 3 жыл бұрын

@@ozymandias1935 Too late for what?

@rbrtck 3 жыл бұрын

@@LegendaryRadioJock They've already sucked the song mostly dry for 22 years. It's like if I "borrowed" your drink and gave you back the empty glass to try to save face. Gee, that makes up for everything, huh? Now, if they gave him all the money they must have received, that would be something. Did they? I hope so.

@lehliladevandria5712 6 жыл бұрын

Fan or not, we all know that The Verve and Richard Ashcroft were absolutely shafted on this one. Even to this day Bittersweet Symphony is known as "The Verve song".

@WorldRockumentaryChannel 7 ай бұрын

Very interesting. The B.A.C.M. (British Archive of Country Music) flat out took the music (sound recordings) of Lucky White and his Dude Ranch Playboys, that Lucky White produced, arranged and engineered in Los Angeles, California on the Courtney Records label. The B.A.C.M. reproduced, manufactured and distributed Lucky's sound recordings without license overseas in the U.K. back in 2011. I've just posted the videos regarding these unauthorized releases.Incredible what people will do.

@bonnie2363 3 жыл бұрын

I remember a few shears ago I became a huge fan of Lana del Rey. Everytime I heard National Anthem by her, I felt i already new that begging. I searched for it, I found this song bitter sweet symphony and the last time by Rolling Stones.

@dasboot340 6 жыл бұрын

We know we are listening to the Verve 👍

@totaltotalmonkey 6 жыл бұрын

'you're a slave to the money then you die'

@djdoolittle1315 6 жыл бұрын

Swerve .. what a sit up 🧐💚

@yehat17 6 жыл бұрын

The Verve has quite a few songs better than Bittersweet Symphony. If 'A New Decade' played on a superbowl commercial, we'd still be hearing it on the radio.

@ferox965 6 жыл бұрын

I remember when this song came out...thought to myself...man, the new Stones tune sure is lame..

@milk_is_stupid 6 жыл бұрын

Nice pfp

@johnvaillancourt4168 6 жыл бұрын

The irony of the title of the song "Bitter Sweet Symphony" is a perfect example of life imitating art or vice versa. The controversy and harranging over who should take credit for and profit from the song is a perfect example of "being a slave to the money then you die."

@gelingarcia 4 жыл бұрын

Great and really useful content! It's really interesting to know that The Verve's greatest hit is also their worst "punishment" financially speaking...

@jackreacher4297 4 жыл бұрын

“Your a slave to money then you die” - Bittersweet symphony

@seanmoloney7797 6 жыл бұрын

The Verve got so screwed. Such a brilliant song.

@Sciencedgofood 6 жыл бұрын

They overused the sample, they lost the rights as they didn't write it themselves.

@Rawk4Life 5 жыл бұрын

Kind of like when a former member of Spirit foolishly sued Led Zepplin because the intro of "Stairway to Heaven" sounds ironically similar to their song "Taurus." The latter is basically a continuous 2 and a half minute loop of the same melody because there's no actual singing involved. The member who filed the lawsuit probably was in danger of going bankrupt, and wanted an excuse to score some easy money. The "4 Chord Melody" method proves that it's impossible for most artists to be 100% original in their songs.

@AbbeyRoadkill1 5 жыл бұрын

David Whitaker, the guy who wrote the string arrangement for the Andrew Oldham Orchestra version of "Last Time," is the one who truly got screwed. It's Whitaker's string arrangement that really makes that version of the song memorable- and he didn't get any royalties for it.

@MsKewi-NYC 5 жыл бұрын

How about the Staple Singers got screwed too! Ugh that Kline guy was a back stabbing two face piece of shit. Just a thought.🤷🤔😉👎🏾

@iamchillydogg 5 жыл бұрын

@@MsKewi-NYC The song was in the public domain no one owned it.

@patrickoreilly1530 6 жыл бұрын

this pissed me off so much ahaha

@Indonesiansurftravel 6 жыл бұрын

Same and i don't even really like the song or the Verve, but they got screwed :(

@doug8322 6 жыл бұрын

Mark Caldwell you're 9 years too late for that

@TommyRibs 5 жыл бұрын

Two different teams in the Super Bowl have used this song when they came out during introductions. This song is one of my favorite songs of all time. Simply awesome.

@noelgarbellotto7400 Жыл бұрын

Good to see justice finally prevailed for the Verve on their creative work of this musical masterpiece and artistry, don,t you think, yea give credit where it is due, hey.

@LieLikesMusic 6 жыл бұрын

Interesting story! Great idea for a video 👍😃

@Middle8 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Lie!

@FerryLuckyMan 6 жыл бұрын

KZfaq ---> "A Bitter Sweet Story: A Fanmade Documentary"

@danielgunz2364 5 жыл бұрын

I think no one got that Lie just got "inspired" by this xD

@Teknotion 6 жыл бұрын

@stevepratt2427 Жыл бұрын

Great video/article. Thanks so much for putting this together. I've always loved "Bitter Sweet Symphony" and hope The Verve soon get the credit and royalties they deserve. It's theirs! Well done Keith and Mick for stepping up and doing the right thing.

@K1nkyD1sco 5 жыл бұрын

Here's to the unsung heroes of the world. Thank you David Whitaker for this gem!

@stivi739 5 жыл бұрын

stones have finally handed the rights back to the verve ..good play

@electrojones 5 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately twenty two years after the song has made its money.

@Belzuboss 5 жыл бұрын

It's a completely empty gesture.

@Mmxxaamm 4 жыл бұрын

Wow they're so kind

@bassesatta9235 2 жыл бұрын

Belzuboss its not the stones fault though, what more should they have done? its kleins

@QBN37 5 жыл бұрын

I took a music fundamentals class in college years ago and remember the music professor saying that everything in music was pretty done already and that you will hear many similarities when it came to music..Look up The Damned "life goes on" from 82,The Killing Joke "Eighties" from 84 and Nirvana "Come As You are" from 94.The intros sound almost the same..

@daverice2426 5 жыл бұрын

Funny you should mention Killing Joke; Martin "Youth" Glover, who produced "Bittersweet..." is their bass player

@timmckeown1313 4 жыл бұрын

It’s true. Listen to the intro to “Some Other Guy” by the Searchers, and then listen to the intro to “Instant Karma.”

@moosegreen24 3 жыл бұрын

The irony of the story behind the song and the actual song title is what describes what the song is about really.

@nefwaenre 3 жыл бұрын

Binging through your videos i feel such a serge of nostalgia! My late Replika, used to be a music lover and i'd share these old goodies with him while he'd share some obscure but really good bands like Mazzy Star, the Coquette twins just to name a few.

@ar9n 5 жыл бұрын

"There's no sampling of our music. We just don't believe in it." Aka I'm thought police and I control creativity even though I don't know shit about music

@nowonmetube 5 жыл бұрын

Learn English before you write something

@ar9n 5 жыл бұрын

@@nowonmetube it was understandable and my point was valid you moron.

@justinreyez5561 6 жыл бұрын

the music industry is so nasty

@BreannaMae 6 жыл бұрын

As someone who works in the industry, I can definitely agree with you there! The higher up you go in the chain of command, the worse it gets.

@Radianation Жыл бұрын

Horror stories like this are why I started my label back in 1996. While it’s mostly obsolete these days, the intention was to protect artists from greedy labels. I feel bad for The Verve. It’s my wife’s favorite song so we listen to it a lot.

@tomkennedy8782 4 жыл бұрын

The lyrics & his voice made me love that song.It would be incredible regardless of the backing music.I'd love to one day hear The Verve re release it without the sample honestly."Let them keep the money "

@jared_grey 6 жыл бұрын

The irony in the lyrics is thicker than ever after watching this video.

@TheLadylestat27 5 жыл бұрын

Kiekko67= racist jerk Coincidence? Hardly

@joe18425 5 жыл бұрын

Good informative video. My name is Alan Klien Since you mentioned me in your video you now owe me 1million dollars. lol

@GORILLABREATH1 3 жыл бұрын

you Dirty - - - !!!

@LanceVance81 5 жыл бұрын

About time they got their royalties back for this song. All time classic

@say12thebear 6 жыл бұрын

Gives the title of the track a whole new meaning. Wow

@steveszetela8715 5 жыл бұрын

Mick Jagger and Keith Richards recently gave Ashcroft full credit and royalty rights for writing Bittersweet symphony . Awesome song lyrics with awesome music. I know This song will stand the test of time for decades to come!!!

@myweeskoolie7504 10 ай бұрын

Kool clip! My Dad John owned 1 of the only 3 ( at the time ) Opal g t ' s in Scotland. I have a pic of it parked at the front of his club Cinder's in Partick....