Differential Locker Comparison (ARB / Eaton / Ox / Yukon) - Filthy Motorsports

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Filthy Motorsports

Filthy Motorsports

Күн бұрын

A detailed explanation and comparison of limited slip differentials, Torsen differentials, selectable lockers, Detroit lockers and spools by Ben Brazda, owner of Filthy Motorsports.
Corrections / Updates:
12:50 - Moisture in the air lines has also been known to freeze and block the air flow in sub-freezing temperatures.
15:11 - The new Dana 60 and Dana 70 Eaton E-Lockers now use a "Direct-Acting Lock Plate" instead of the ball ramp.
Video Sections:
6:06 - Torsen, Eaton TrueTrac and Limited Slips
11:23 - Air Lockers, ARB Lockers, Zip Lockers
14:17 - E-Lockers, Eaton E-Locker
17:50 - Ox Lockers
21:36 - Detroit Lockers, Grizzly Lockers
21:36 - Lunchbox Lockers, Spartan Lockers
26:52 - Spools, Mini Spools, Welded Diffs
For more information on E-lockers, ARB lockers, and TJM Pro Lockers, check out this video from our friends at AllOffroad:
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@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 6 жыл бұрын
300,000 views just before the New Year! Thank you!!
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I would be concerned about the forced but if one could be built strong enough, I bet it would be a great option.
@benluger7557
@benluger7557 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the in depth explanations I have a question, for drifting a locked differential is a must would one of your e lock differentials work for drifting because the slack would not affect a car being that you don't end up rolling backwards and my daily driver is also my drift car so this seems very practical because i don't want to weld my diff looks like a pain to daily drive
@benluger7557
@benluger7557 5 жыл бұрын
and would an ox locker work as well?
@jeremy8715
@jeremy8715 5 жыл бұрын
Do you offer a military discount? I'm interested in the OX locker (cable). I did look at the FAQ first.
@goitoutdoors
@goitoutdoors 5 жыл бұрын
Congrats! I have a question about the Detroit locker. For an F150 IFS, would it cause any problems when in 2wd? Would it potentially cause damage to the weaker IFS?
@Kiddomike
@Kiddomike 7 жыл бұрын
By far this is the most comprehensive yet simple explanation of different differentials. Thank you, Ben.
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 7 жыл бұрын
That's exactly what we were going for, thanks!
@edwardkesock216
@edwardkesock216 4 жыл бұрын
I know you did this years ago and you probably won't even write but man this was a great video I have a 1994 ford f150 4x4 with 4 inch lift and plan on doing 6 inch anyways after watching your Awesome video I believe I will be doing the (Spartan lockers) front and rear, I would like to do the Detroit lockers but I really dont have that kind of money and I looked up the Spartans lockers and similar ones like them through jegs and summet racing and they run around $320.00 give or take a couple 20.00,s
@steiny3353
@steiny3353 4 жыл бұрын
@@edwardkesock216 ...I'm scrolling through here thinking, "no point in commenting here, after all this time", but there you are. lol What an interesting tutorial, and as someone else said "very professional" with no umms and arrs. I was soaking it all up. What a bloody good job. I wonder where this bloke is located. I've bookmarked this video for future reference. Bloody awesome.
@many-points
@many-points 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks!
@freewillmusic808
@freewillmusic808 Жыл бұрын
I knew nothing about diffs before this vid… now “i know king fu” - Neo
@stoffi
@stoffi 7 жыл бұрын
What a professional! No errrs n' aaarrrrs, no derailings, just perfect execution of message. Subscribed!
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Don't be too impressed, it took a lot of re-takes!
@isaacmadhavan
@isaacmadhavan 5 жыл бұрын
@@Filthymotorsports So cool of you to admit that. :)
@utubeozpat
@utubeozpat 4 жыл бұрын
@@Filthymotorsports At least you took the trouble.
@angelaphillips2348
@angelaphillips2348 3 жыл бұрын
LSD, "Small clutch pack, like you'd find in a manual transmission" ?? Might be one errrs
@jeradmiller4575
@jeradmiller4575 9 ай бұрын
2:20 I detect an uhh.
@jacobh707
@jacobh707 2 жыл бұрын
I've come back to this video multiple times over a couple years. Amazing video.
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 2 жыл бұрын
So glad to hear it, thank you!
@jeffreydunn1598
@jeffreydunn1598 4 жыл бұрын
THE best off road differential description ever. This presentation doesn't go overboard with sponsor support. 100% mechanics, installation, application and engineering. AWESOME video. Thank you!
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 4 жыл бұрын
So glad you enjoyed it, thank you!
@A11ium
@A11ium 5 жыл бұрын
Had a Detroit style locker before in a light vehicle. Annoying to drive both on road and off road. On road it was the worst if not being driven correctly. It would lock in a tight turn if letting off a little on the gas or started to engine brake. Needed to keep a certain amount of power or freewheel else it would lock up shaking and unsettling the car with screaming tires. Off road one felt there was lot of play in the system when in rock or uneven terrain. Very jerky because the wheel has to turn a little before power would be transmitted in the opposite direction. Every time the car would get over to the other side of a stone it would move an extra foot rolling before engine braking worked because of the huge slack in the system. It worked best when driven "hard" because then it would always behave like a spool.
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 5 жыл бұрын
Very well explained, this comment needs more likes to bump to the top!
@isaacmadhavan
@isaacmadhavan 5 жыл бұрын
@@Filthymotorsports Alternatively, you can pin it. :)
@rbrdly
@rbrdly 4 жыл бұрын
This concerns me @Anders Sandkvist. I'm considering one now for cost and ease of use when I go 4WDing. Got a hilux dual cab. I also tow a camper trailer. Would you not recommend it?
@jamesmcnamara7484
@jamesmcnamara7484 4 жыл бұрын
Definitely a learning curve to a detroit
@G31mR
@G31mR 4 жыл бұрын
I have Lock-Rites (lunchbox/Detroit-style lockers) in both axles of my K10 and they've performed flawlessly for over six years. No learning curve, no clicks, no scrubbing, 99% transparent in daily street use. Perform in low-traction situations. Highly recommend. Only odd thing is that they cost as much a the Eaton Tru-Trac I installed in my Silverado.....
@mikehartmann5187
@mikehartmann5187 Жыл бұрын
Still relevant and full of good info 6 years later. Thanks!
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports Жыл бұрын
Absolutely. The only thing that has changed is that some Eaton E-locker models have changed to a positive engagement collar but only for larger axles. Thanks for watching!
@juliebuckley2958
@juliebuckley2958 6 жыл бұрын
I've been offroading for over 30 years, I have never seen a better explanation of different style traction devices!
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 6 жыл бұрын
So glad to hear it, that means a lot!
@AnthonyJ350
@AnthonyJ350 6 жыл бұрын
Very thorough, thanks for sharing your knowledge!
@downingbethune8758
@downingbethune8758 6 жыл бұрын
I wish all KZfaq videos were this good. Heck, I wish any KZfaq videos were this good. Thanks, Ben.
@sariego9
@sariego9 4 жыл бұрын
That was probably the best explanation of differentials I have ever seen thank you!
@yeomanlawyer2300
@yeomanlawyer2300 4 жыл бұрын
This is by far the best discussion on this topic I've seen anywhere. Thanks for doing it.
@jpxblitzkrieg
@jpxblitzkrieg 6 жыл бұрын
Bela explicação, muito obrigado! Optei pelo e-Locker.
@dkieffer9583
@dkieffer9583 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you Ben! I was sold on an Eaton e locker but after watching this video I am seriously considering an ox Locker now.
@UncleDoug
@UncleDoug 7 жыл бұрын
Excellent video.....clear, concise, and easy to follow. Thanks for posting :)
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 7 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad to hear it, thank you for watching!
@jrbbikerx3309
@jrbbikerx3309 6 жыл бұрын
This is the BEST comparison/explanation of all similar videos on KZfaq
@johnvaclik1094
@johnvaclik1094 5 жыл бұрын
Finally understood how TOR SEN diffs work. Thank you.
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 5 жыл бұрын
So glad to hear it, that one is seriously tough to explain!
@GnonplussedGnome
@GnonplussedGnome 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah me too!
@milliondollar2981
@milliondollar2981 7 жыл бұрын
fantastic video this is the best demonstration of the different differentials I've ever seen really really good video thank you for taking the time to do such a great job to educate the public five stars to you
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you! It took a lot of work to put together so the positive feedback is great to hear!
@jeffw1477
@jeffw1477 6 жыл бұрын
You did a great job explaining and really seem to know the products your selling. Based on this video, I would definitely give you my business!
@AlloffroadAu
@AlloffroadAu 6 жыл бұрын
great explanations... brilliant
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I'll have to check out your channel when I have time, we work with many customers in Australia!
@DadDrummer75
@DadDrummer75 6 жыл бұрын
Their channel is amazing!!
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 6 жыл бұрын
Just reached 200,000 views! Thank you all for the support and your feedback! We have more videos like this coming out soon so make sure to subscribe to our channel. Cheers!
@CanalProjetoPiloto
@CanalProjetoPiloto 6 жыл бұрын
This a very helpfull for offroaders like me! I'm from Brazil and here is difficult to chose the best solution, because it's no easy to have all options at hand before the purchase. I'm on my way to get a Eaton e-locker!
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 6 жыл бұрын
So glad to hear it, great choice!
@darrellcoy
@darrellcoy 6 жыл бұрын
Miata's are famous for Torsen diffs. I had a 2000 SE with 180k miles that would squall both rears off the line at autocross events for 2 plus years. still worked great when I sold it
@georgedennison3338
@georgedennison3338 4 жыл бұрын
Well done, informative vid. I like the 'real world' addition of the welded spiders. In 50+ years, I have never seen anyone who makes money selling aftermarket parts be as real as that. If I was still building toys that break parts, you'd have my biz. Good on ya'
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 4 жыл бұрын
So glad to hear it, thank you for that! Cheers!
@deeeeeeps
@deeeeeeps Жыл бұрын
I welded my buddies rear end in his chev 1500 that lasted about 2 months before his gears were shot. I also welded my Jeep Grand cherokee axel that lasted about a month before it blew up going down the highway. It was super fun though!
@antizakkonic7789
@antizakkonic7789 5 жыл бұрын
Love my Detroit Lockered Dana 60, it's got my old 3/4 ton 2wd in and out of places where open diff 4wd fear to tread. Decent street manners too.
@JeremyMPearce
@JeremyMPearce 6 жыл бұрын
I agree with so many others on here, this is the best explanation that I have ever seen. Thank you guys for putting this together! I hope that you continue to create more content like this.
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 6 жыл бұрын
So glad to hear it, we have much more in the works so make sure to subscribe!
@gr7788
@gr7788 5 жыл бұрын
Great video, really explained, especially for all us diy 4wheelers.Much appreciated keep up the good work.
@Silent.Stacker
@Silent.Stacker 4 жыл бұрын
The best, most concise and clearly articulated presentation on this subject that I have ever seen. I’ll subscribe for more of this type of quality content.
@kundrew1990
@kundrew1990 Жыл бұрын
Great video 6 years later thanks.
@BigBoyO56
@BigBoyO56 3 жыл бұрын
He most definitely made a complicated topic very simple to understand while being extremely comprehensive.
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 3 жыл бұрын
What a great compliment, thank you!
@AC-db2wx
@AC-db2wx 3 жыл бұрын
I came here to say the same thing. Trying to figure out what will suit my 4runner's needs most, and before watching this I knew the basic principle of how diffs work and what a locker does, but still found it confusing. This guy was clear, concise, and easy to understand, and really helped me gain a better comprehension of how all these different diffs and lockers all actually work. Visually seeing him manipulate the physical pieces was incredibly helpful as well. Tons of value in this video for someone eager to learn more! 👏
@vivek_mahour
@vivek_mahour 7 жыл бұрын
now thats a video I am looking for.. GOOD JOB
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@donmadick6813
@donmadick6813 7 жыл бұрын
OUTSTANDING PRESENTATION BEN! SUBSCRIBED! THANKS!
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 7 жыл бұрын
Glad you like it! Cheers!
@MrHellfinger
@MrHellfinger 7 жыл бұрын
Agreed, Don. Subscribed here as well. Bravo Filthy Motorsports. Best presentation I've seen and I will return to reference this in the future as well.
@VVENDINGEN
@VVENDINGEN 5 жыл бұрын
To clear up some common misconceptions about differentials (also found in this video, to some extend): An open differential always splits the torque of the input shaft 50/50 between the output shafts. A Torsen (TorSen = Torque Sensing) differential never locks up. It changes the TBR (torque bias ratio) from 1:1 (open differential) to something else. F.e. a torsen differential with a TBR of 3:1 will output 3 times the torque of the faster wheel on the slower spinning wheel. That's why torsen differentials aren't great in really bad conditions. If one wheel slips on a really slippery surface like ice or hangs in the air, the torque it takes to spin it is nearly 0. Meaning the other output will be driven with 3 x 0 = 0. Clutch pack based LSD overcome this problem with pretensioning, which provides a given torque differential that has to be overcome before it allows slip.
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 5 жыл бұрын
1. Open differential is 50/50 only on high traction surfaces. 2. While the TrueTrac does not mechanically lock, when enough torque applied to it and given enough resistance to "seize up", it will create enough friction that both axle shafts will turn together as if in a spool, although, in the real world this may only be for a fraction of a second.
@VVENDINGEN
@VVENDINGEN 5 жыл бұрын
​@@Filthymotorsports1. "Open differential is 50/50 only on high traction surfaces." That is not true. An open differential always "applies" the same torque on both outputs, disregarding minor differences caused by friction in the differential. That is exactly why an open differential delivers poor performance on low traction surfaces, since the torque is dependent of the resistance of the wheels. When one wheel slips, the torque needed to drive it is close to 0, meaning the torque delivered to the other wheel also is close to 0 (and for that matter, the torque output by the engine being close to 0 in that situation as well.) That's also the reason why you need a rolling road/dyno to measure the power/torque output of an engine, and can't measure it just standing still and stomping the gas. 2. A Torsen style differential can of course spin both outputs at the same rate, if the faster spinning output is generating a lot of torque. What you discribe usually happens when the vehicle isn't moving and power is applied very rapidly. The inertia in the drivetrain will generate a lot of torque in the system for a very short moment, and therefore deliver a higher output (depending on the TBR of the differential) on the slower turning wheel. But as soon as the faster output is turning and slipping, the torque drops again. One way to counter that lack of torque biasing in very low friction situations with a Torsen differential is applying the brakes. The braking force will increase the torque needed to turn the faster spinning wheel, and therefore increase the torque delivered to the other wheel.
@davidjohnson-iw6vj
@davidjohnson-iw6vj 2 жыл бұрын
What posi unit do you recommend for street cruising? In other words "for the streets"
@bj42paul
@bj42paul 2 жыл бұрын
I understood all this but watched in its entirety just because it's so well presented. Thank you!
@Mo0alJuraiban
@Mo0alJuraiban 7 жыл бұрын
At first I thought it was gonna be a long vid and im not gonna finish it, but when i kept watching I found out that this is The Best Differential break down on the internet! Thanks ben
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 7 жыл бұрын
That makes my day! So glad you enjoyed it!
@aldousjove
@aldousjove 7 жыл бұрын
This is the best explanation on the tube. Gracias.
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 7 жыл бұрын
So glad you think so, thanks!
@lm0315
@lm0315 7 жыл бұрын
Agreed 1000% Excellent video!
@PDXDrumr
@PDXDrumr 7 жыл бұрын
I have to agree, I had very little idea when I started looking for explanations, and this vid led me to choose the type.
@montananorton8668
@montananorton8668 7 жыл бұрын
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@patrickschliesing1294
@patrickschliesing1294 7 жыл бұрын
Much agreed - very well put together video, didn't mind the 29 minute length one bit. I'd really like to see a video of vehicles out on a slippery hill demonstrating as many of these as possible, especially open vs torsen vs one of the selectable lockers vs detroit vs spool.
@richardbyrum4618
@richardbyrum4618 5 жыл бұрын
Great video! Best explanation on KZfaq of what a locker is, the different types and how each works, and pros and cons of each.
@paulfxst
@paulfxst 3 жыл бұрын
If anybody is wondering why there aren't many vids on this subject, it is because of this video! ....very informative and very professionally done. Nothing beats a well presented, well constructed vid when broaching this sometimes confusing subject. Well done and many thanks.
@michaelwalsman5638
@michaelwalsman5638 6 жыл бұрын
Great VID. We have started showing this to our clients so they understand what they are getting when they buy a locker. Mike Walsman JeepFix West Jordan, UT
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 6 жыл бұрын
That's not the first time we've heard that from dealers and shops, so glad to hear we can help!
@TheRealCheckmate
@TheRealCheckmate 2 жыл бұрын
*Excellent video! I had no idea there were so many different types of differentials. I've worked with lots of simple open diffs and used to think they were pretty clever, but what you have there is absolutely ingenious. It's amazing that people actually came up with such elaborate designs. I almost want to buy one just to sit on my coffee table so I can admire it... that's mechanical art!*
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports Жыл бұрын
Lol, we love having them on display as cut-aways for that reason!
@summoningdark216
@summoningdark216 6 жыл бұрын
An excellent presentation! Using ARB lockers in my Ibex, but fascinating to see how the other variants work. Hope you have a good 2018.
@daeladub
@daeladub 6 жыл бұрын
I knew very little about diff's before this vid. Great detail without being long winded and the practical demonstration helped to bring it home.
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you, so glad to hear it!
@fourbypete
@fourbypete 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks, that was the best explanation I've heard.
@michaelledbetter3016
@michaelledbetter3016 4 жыл бұрын
Ben, that was spot on and a perfect video!! Thank you for taking the time to explain each set up. Plan on an Ox Locker in the rear of my Jeep. But was stuck on what to do up front, until I watched your video!! Very informative indeed. When I'm ready to order, after this video, I'll purchase from you!
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 4 жыл бұрын
So glad to hear it, thank you! The OX locker is an excellent choice for a Jeep!
@flannel2699
@flannel2699 6 жыл бұрын
Clear, informative, unpretentious and very helpful. Top notch. Thanks..
@Madichmotorsports
@Madichmotorsports 5 жыл бұрын
Dude, my brain was growing and growing with each beaut of an explanation you gave and then right at the very end my brain exploded 🤯. So worth it tho, the fragments with come together as needed. Thanks man 🤘
@1crazynordlander
@1crazynordlander 6 жыл бұрын
Great Video! I sent an Email question to Ben. Excellent explanations. Almost like going back to trade school. Air Lockers where just coming on the scene but in the farm tractors we have had them for years at that point. The rest were being used in automotive applications
@JimmyStewpot
@JimmyStewpot 7 жыл бұрын
The best locker/diff information video I have seen.
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@mikes9939
@mikes9939 3 жыл бұрын
This is the best video I have ever seen that describes every type of differential completely. It may be long but extremely well done and worth every minute to watch. Thank you for taking the time to do this. It had just the right amount of detail about each type to make them easy to understand but not confusing. Very well done.
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@ericrichter1241
@ericrichter1241 2 жыл бұрын
Saved this video a good while back when I was hard looking for a non-open diff for my truck. Finally got around to watching it and you have earned at least a sub, like and comment. Great explanation on lockers and all their varying flavors! About to go check your website for inventory availability.
@lukehastie7186
@lukehastie7186 6 жыл бұрын
Great info mate, cheers. Wish I had found this before I suffered through hours of contradictory videos. Subscribed.
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!
@haimperetz8982
@haimperetz8982 7 жыл бұрын
this is by far the best explanation on the plant!! thanks .
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@SuperBigox
@SuperBigox 6 жыл бұрын
Hands down the best video I have found on information on differential traction modifications! When I get money saved up for a truetrac, I'll keep your website in mind for my purchase!
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I look forward to it!
@Dieiamgi
@Dieiamgi 4 жыл бұрын
This man really knows his stuff!
@christophermichaelson9050
@christophermichaelson9050 5 жыл бұрын
This is a really incredible video. One of the best I have seen on KZfaq for any subject. I just want to add that we have front/rear ARB lockers with 110K miles on them, and zero issues except for a melted plastic air line that was replaced with a stainless steel line. No leaks, no icing, etc. We can air up our 2 gallon ViAir tank (110PSI) and the ARB compressor won't trip (90PSI) for ~6 days. With front and rear locker *engaged*, and the Jeep parked, the compressor won't trip until ~3 days. Without the ViAir tank (we have a shut-off valve on the supply hose), the ARB's tiny manifold/tank will hold pressure for over a day before the compressor trips, and about 12 hours with the lockers engaged while parked. Note that we don't typically leave the tank aired up due to condensation and such. Anyway, thanks again for the awesome video.
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the feedback!
@Ayrton4everrr
@Ayrton4everrr 6 жыл бұрын
Great vid. I’m just confused now, didn’t know that exist so many diffs any lockers for my old 98 Hilux 🤨
@maxcactus7
@maxcactus7 3 жыл бұрын
This explanation was utterly FANTASTIC!!! Clearly explained and easy to understand. VERY well done!
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 3 жыл бұрын
Great to hear! Thank you!
@ORflycaster
@ORflycaster 4 жыл бұрын
I stumbled into this video, and am very impressed with this gentleman's ability to clearly explain this subject for 30 minutes. I've subscribed without yet knowing what else the channel contains.
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 7 жыл бұрын
Just hit 100,000 views! Thank you!!
7 жыл бұрын
Good material, so lots of views ;) Congrats!
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I would look into an Eaton TrueTrac for sure. Hope that helps!
@DavidStanleymusic
@DavidStanleymusic 7 жыл бұрын
Great video ,concise and clearly explained .
@cekiert
@cekiert 7 жыл бұрын
congrats, great video. I'm trying to find a great selectable locker for my jeep and while Eaton e lockers sound great they are prone to failure with 35 inch and larger tires. arb's are prone to air leaks oil feed into compressor fire hazard. ox's cable adjustment, I've heard stories of carrier rub on pinion and housing requiring grinding best to have a reliable shop install that on expect bearing failure ect. what would you go with?
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the question! You are correct in that there is no perfect solution as each locker has it's flaws. However, if you are careful during the installation and maintain the vehilce properly (as you should be doing anyway), the Ox and ARB lockers are very reliable. If you are still worried about those issues though, a Detroit locker is about as fool-proof as it gets but its not street friendly.
@hawkie333
@hawkie333 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent description of the Eaton Truetrac. I agree, it is a brilliant mechanical design. It’s worth noting that they can make a “pop" or "boom" when unlocking...especially on dry pavement in a tight turn. I thought I broke something the first time I heard it.
@michaelrichardson5505
@michaelrichardson5505 9 ай бұрын
MAAAAAAAAAAAAAN YOU'RE MY HERO! I Have a truetrack in my 06 silverado. Made a uturn with wsy too much wood in the back and swore i broke my rear end when i heard that bang. Called the shop that did the install & they acted like i didnt know what i was talking about. Nice to hear from someone else thats dealt with this issue.
@hawkie333
@hawkie333 9 ай бұрын
@@michaelrichardson5505 Glad I could "help"! It scared the hell out of me the first time it happened. It doesn’t happen often with normal driving but I’m sure a u-turn would do it.
@chevtruck1000
@chevtruck1000 4 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't consider it too long at all. Without doubt the best video on the topic I've ever had the privilege to watch. Thank you.
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! So glad to hear that!
@kenster67100
@kenster67100 3 жыл бұрын
This guy does an excellent job explaining diffs in.a very clear and practical way Great job.
@AdventureDarin
@AdventureDarin 7 жыл бұрын
You are the greatest explainer ever! I want to ask you how everything works!
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 7 жыл бұрын
Oh stop, you're making me blush!
@Britishshooter
@Britishshooter 5 жыл бұрын
Actually I have trained my dog to engage and disengage my Ox locker on command. He is also a good navigator unless he loses concentration if he spots a pretty bitch on the trail. Seriously though, this is by far the best analysis video of the different forms of differentials that I have ever watched. Good job.
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 5 жыл бұрын
Haha! Thanks!
@LesbianNaziHookers
@LesbianNaziHookers 3 жыл бұрын
The best and most thorough explanation I've seen
@mondavou9408
@mondavou9408 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. It was sooo nice to see everything laid out so clearly. Great information. If this is your channel (clearly explaining things in a fact based way) I'm subscribed.
@LukeAurelius
@LukeAurelius 5 жыл бұрын
I've seen several videos on this subject, this is by far the best of all, thank you very much for sharing, I took the liberty of sharing it on my group page... hope you don't mind.
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 5 жыл бұрын
Very happy to hear that, and thank you for sharing!
@Ken19700
@Ken19700 4 жыл бұрын
The OX can be locked by air, electric, mechanical, or the drive away lock. That's four options while being just as tough and costing less than an ARB.
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@H4KD11
@H4KD11 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah but like no one in australia has a compatible car
@marcokawar5459
@marcokawar5459 3 жыл бұрын
Amazingly informative video that covers a really needed explanation on a topic that not so many covered so well!
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@bchamp5182
@bchamp5182 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all the great and clear info !
@takayama1638
@takayama1638 5 жыл бұрын
One Ox manual locker, please.
@WilliamEllison
@WilliamEllison 4 жыл бұрын
One Ox manual in rear and true track in front please.
@randomthoughts1001
@randomthoughts1001 4 жыл бұрын
@@WilliamEllison I'm think this combo for my 98 XJ 🤔
@aplchnmtngoat3800
@aplchnmtngoat3800 4 жыл бұрын
@@WilliamEllison I'm installing this exact setup now. I'm hoping it's a great combination for on and off road performance.
@redsite001
@redsite001 4 жыл бұрын
Ox locker front and back!
@georgeosborn3553
@georgeosborn3553 5 жыл бұрын
Yes this video is long , but well worth the time spent.
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 5 жыл бұрын
So glad to hear that, thank you for watching!
@anthonyforgey3518
@anthonyforgey3518 6 жыл бұрын
This has got to be the most thorough explanation of difflocking options. Really helpful
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 6 жыл бұрын
Happy to hear it!
@gerrypepeta5149
@gerrypepeta5149 6 жыл бұрын
That was an amazing explication and thank you!
@Alaskabuilt_
@Alaskabuilt_ Жыл бұрын
Dang that ox locker is awesome. I just put in a Eaton e locker though.
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports Жыл бұрын
Both are great in their own way, but the OX locker is very impressive.
@jferguson907
@jferguson907 3 жыл бұрын
I literally have probably only taken the time to leave one or two comments on a video in my entire 10+ year KZfaq career, and after being glued to this video from start to finish, I feel compelled to offer my sincerest gratitude for this thoroughly comprehensive overview. If only you had a tutorial for any/everything anyone ever wanted to learn about, would probably be the biggest lifehack of all time.
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much, I'm so glad to hear it and thank you for posting!!
@samblevins1708
@samblevins1708 5 жыл бұрын
I just learned a whole bunch. Clear, concise and informative as all get out. Thanks for posting this.
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 5 жыл бұрын
So glad to hear it, thank you!
@chaosensues1714
@chaosensues1714 3 жыл бұрын
Both diffs just exploded in my jeep tj and this demonstration is way better than a thousand forums and hours of research. Looks like a torsen unit is going to be a perfect differential for my personal needs.
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear about your diffs but glad to hear you enjoyed the video!
@mikeskidmore6754
@mikeskidmore6754 6 жыл бұрын
I think a Candy Machine Maker invented the True Trac idea.. Being the owner of Walter Trucks . The Detroit Locker Detroit True Tack I think they have been bought out is why the name has changed over the years.. I had one in the rear axle of a Tandem axle Truck .. It helped not to get stuck but was a real pain in the road.. You have to let off on the gas pedal to get it to unlock not so good when you are pulling a loader on a trailer up a steep drive and pulling into traffic and turning .. With a Detroit Locker only the wheel on the out side of the turn breaks loose and free wheels.. thus if you are under power it won't disengage which would cause the front wheels of my truck to slide sideways while turning ..
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent feedback, thank you!
@mikeskidmore6754
@mikeskidmore6754 5 жыл бұрын
@@Filthymotorsports Yes the only way a Detroit Locker will work is the out side wheel in a turn will ratchet or free wheel. With a big heavy truck Eaton 34,000 # tandem with 18 1?2 ring gears.. the only way I could get the truck to turn is to let off on the gas so it can unlock.. My Problem was I was pulling a trailer with 7,000 pounds of tongue weight which was way too much should have been about 3,000# 23,000 # loader 7,500# trailer
@EricKaufman
@EricKaufman 7 жыл бұрын
The Harrop/Eaton lockers (at least for the 80 series land cruiser) no longer disconnect between front and rear.
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 7 жыл бұрын
Thank for the info, do you have any more info on this or a link?
@AlloffroadAu
@AlloffroadAu 6 жыл бұрын
what makes you say that? They now use a ramp/pin design which works with same principle as ramp and ball bearing and still disengage and re-engage kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Z9SJjdJekp28mGg.html
@dougmeyer
@dougmeyer 6 жыл бұрын
Ben, I cannot begin to tell you what a benefit your videos have been to me as I roll up my sleeves and take on the restoration and modification of my '76 Ford Bronco. Your manner is clear, concise, logical and very easy to follow. You make a potentially intimidating amount of information easily understood. HUGE thanks to you for that! Now, a request for some advice: Both my mechanic and his parts supplier have been recommending to me that I install the Yukon Zip air lockers instead of the ARBs which I had initially requested. My choice of ARBs was based on what I sensed was a general consensus (from browsing the many boards available on the web, and not insignificantly your own stated preference) that ARBs were the superior product. My mechanic has installed the Yukons in quite a number of Bronco builds (his specialty), and his parts supplier makes the argument that in addition to the cost savings of Yukons over ARBs, they've seen far fewer issues over the last number of years with the Yukons coming back after installations than they have with ARBs. Also, apparently the warranty on the Yukons beat out ARB substantially (though one could rightfully argue that a superior warranty is completely worthless miles away from the road following a catastrophic failure). I respect my mechanic and his experience, and I am a little apprehensive of taking the parts suppliers advice due to his obvious bias as a Yukon dealer (he can get the ARBs, but does not generally carry them). So, my question to you: if you were me, how hard would you fight and how much push back would you give on this issue? Is the internal composite cage a significantly weak link in the system to be of concern? You've been reassuring in the video regarding both products, gently stating your preference for the ARB. And I'll take it for granted that my mechanic will be attentive during the installation to be sure it is done properly and competently. I am a relative neophyte, and to me there is value in establishing my trust in my mechanic (which I generally have), it's just that an air locker is a substantial expense and a really difficult part to swap out. Just looking for your 2 cents. Again, many thanks!
@chrisconley8105
@chrisconley8105 5 жыл бұрын
By far the best detailed, unbiased differential explanations I've seen. I was already leaning toward the Eaton True Trac's front and rear in my street and trail 2000 XJ, this presentation confirmed that for me. Thank you for doing such a great job!
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 5 жыл бұрын
So glad to hear it, you are very welcome!
@V8AmericanMuscleCar
@V8AmericanMuscleCar Жыл бұрын
Did you get them? I will most likely get a front and rear Truetrac for my XJ so I'm curious...
@chrisconley8105
@chrisconley8105 Жыл бұрын
@@V8AmericanMuscleCar Half way there. I have a high pinion Dana 30 that I had 4.10's and True Trac installed in and am doing the same for the Chrysler 8 1/4.
@manuelleos1007
@manuelleos1007 5 жыл бұрын
My dad has a 2005 Silverado 2500 HD with G80 and it has 200k with no issues and still locks up fine.
@00ninja00
@00ninja00 5 жыл бұрын
So I could run a spool on my front diff on a tacoma, since I have Manual warn hubs, which means I can disengage my axles from front diff at the wheels when I don’t need 4x4. Would this be a good cheaper option for me????
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 5 жыл бұрын
Technically yes, however, you would have to be very, very careful with how you engage and use 4x4. We like lunchbox lockers for the front because they have a "fuse" function to them to reduce stresses.
@MrDhandley
@MrDhandley 4 жыл бұрын
At last, someone who knows what they’re talking about and presents it in a way that’s easy to understand. Brilliant!
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the kind words!
@gunnerneikoify
@gunnerneikoify 5 жыл бұрын
Hands down the best video anywhere explaining the different types of differentials and how they function!!!!!!!!!
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@lenwhite9901
@lenwhite9901 7 жыл бұрын
Best video I've seen. Question for you about the torsen. My application is endurance road racing on tracks like Sonoma. I understand that when you are going around a corner with no throttle, the torsen allows the wheels to spin at different speeds. My question is, if I begin to throttle in the corner, will the torsen continue to allow the wheels to spin at different speed, or will it effectively become a locked dif. I have used a friction LSD and experienced significant single wheel spin exiting corners even after replacing the clutches. I have also used a Mini Spool (because I don't trust the bearings in a c-clip eliminator kit to last an endurance race with a full spool). I have much better grip and acceleration out of the corner with the mini spool, but experience significant understeer and increase in front tire wear as a result of the rear tires wanting to continue in a straight line. FYI, this car never sees public streets. Thanks again for the great video.
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for question, glad you liked the video! The TrueTrac is used a lot in road racing. On a high traction surface the power always goes to both tires while allowing them to turn at different speeds within a fixed ratio. I had a chance to race a Miata equipped with a Torsen earlier this year on a race track and it was very impressive and extremely predictable. The few times I pushed too hard and got sideways it was completely controlled and very easy to straighten back up. There was also no understeer or oversteer from it. Hope that helps!
@lenwhite9901
@lenwhite9901 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the response and feedback. I'll be talking to the boss about spending the $500 to put this in.
@StormbornJKU
@StormbornJKU 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve got Eaton E-lockers front and rear, and I wish I watched this video first before getting them because I would have went with Ox lockers front and rear instead.
@RegardlessRecords
@RegardlessRecords 3 жыл бұрын
How are the Eatons treating you? And which OX mechanism were you referring to when when you said this comment? The manual ones?
@StormbornJKU
@StormbornJKU 3 жыл бұрын
@@RegardlessRecords the Eaton e lockers are working just fine. Haven’t had a single issue with them at all. My buddy has them as well and somehow he burned up the diode for his rear locker. It was literally on fire in it’s little case. He just swapped it out with a new one and it’s been fine. But they’ve worked every single time I’ve used them. Can’t complain really.
@StormbornJKU
@StormbornJKU 3 жыл бұрын
@@RegardlessRecords and yes I was referring to the manual ones. Seems a lot more reliable to be able to just move a level and your locked, as well as the ability to use that tool in case the cable breaks so you have a backup to unblock. But like I said I haven’t had any issues with my Eaton e lockers. I made that comment before I actually had the ability to use them. Now that I have I don’t know if I’d switch, just because there haven’t been any issues with them.
@RegardlessRecords
@RegardlessRecords 3 жыл бұрын
@@StormbornJKU thank for the reply. I figured you were talking about the manual ones. Watching this video it does seem like something crazy might happen with the air or the electric ones. Then I was thinking to myself well a car has a lot of electronic components that last a life time so i figured I'd ask how you are liking them so I can figure out what set up im leaning towards. Thanks for the reply.
@19Camo92
@19Camo92 6 жыл бұрын
great video mate! I only knew of Open, LSD and selectable before watch this, learnt a lot. Cheers.
@arnomaas6452
@arnomaas6452 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for showing us an excellent video !
@YEARSandCOUNTING
@YEARSandCOUNTING 5 жыл бұрын
HOLD IT! At 4:09 - the small clutch pack. "Very similar to what you would find in a MANUAL transmission..." I'm certain you intended to say AUTOMATIC transmission. OK. Carry on. :-) Good job overall. I remember the Eureka moment I had in 9th grade when I had a differential cutaway I could play with and finally see it for myself. It's very difficult to comprehend without one in your hands.
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 5 жыл бұрын
The reference was to the clutch used to shift a manual transmission but of course automatic transmissions have internal clutches as well. Cheers!
@177SCmaro
@177SCmaro 6 жыл бұрын
Wish someone made a 35 spline (detroit) locker for a 12 bolt. I have a spool now for drag racing and it works but it's pretty hard on parts given the two 180 degree turns at my drag strip.
@guloguloguy
@guloguloguy 3 жыл бұрын
...WOW!!!!! THANK YOU, BEN, VERY MUCH, FOR YOUR EXCELLENT EXPLANATION, AND DEMONSTRATION, OF THESE VITAL "DIFFERENTIAL" MECHANISMS!!
@DeltaSierra426
@DeltaSierra426 6 жыл бұрын
And now I know! Thank you, great informative video.
@danielremy8725
@danielremy8725 7 жыл бұрын
I want a torsen installed on my tacoma. . what kind of shop would you recommend?
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 7 жыл бұрын
My original response got lost when we changed over to a company channel but for those that have the same question, here it is again: With installation, you get what you pay for but one trick you can do is ask the shop to send you a photo of the final gear tooth pattern and backlash measurement or, better yet, ask if you can stop by so you can see it for yourself before they bolt the differential cover back on. Any shop that says no to this request should be avoided. Hope that helps!
@AfkhamAzeez
@AfkhamAzeez 7 жыл бұрын
How do vacuum actuated lockers like the ones in the Nissan Patrol work?
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 7 жыл бұрын
I am not familiar with those, where could I get my hands on one to find out!?
@AfkhamAzeez
@AfkhamAzeez 6 жыл бұрын
The Patrol rear locker is a vacuum actuating locker. It has dual vacuum solenoids in the engine bay which provide vacuum to either of the two hoses running to the rear differential. Vacuum is supplied to one hose constantly to maintain the correct position of the actuating rod to normal open differential use. When you flick the switch vacuum is switched to the second line which slides the locking rod across into the locked position. When you switch it off vacuum is returned to the "open" line and the differential will revert to open again.
@Irishcream216
@Irishcream216 5 жыл бұрын
@@AfkhamAzeez sounds like exactly the same principle as a Pnuematic actuated differential locker. The difference is they are using the vacuum generated by the engine instead of a compressor to move a pin that locks the spider gears.
@barbradauson
@barbradauson 3 жыл бұрын
That was the most clearly explained definition of differential types I have ever heard, and I have been rebuilding rears, trans & engines since 1976! Well Done my Man!!!
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 3 жыл бұрын
So glad to hear that, thank you!
@jerodoque
@jerodoque 5 жыл бұрын
Wow, thanks for making a great, informative video. Your channel deserves more subs!
@SuperRamcharger
@SuperRamcharger 6 жыл бұрын
Exceptionally comprehensive explanation of lockers minus one issue... torsen style diffs, like the truetrac, freak out when both tires are on ice. I found that out on my Jeep XJ when the rear end swung from side to side when I hit some black ice at 60 mph here in Colorado. This wasn't just a little swing, but more of a full blown watusi that even the best of your favorite club dancers couldn't replicate. ARB air lockers for me from then on out. Only thing that saved my life was mashing the transfer case into part time 4wd "RIGHT NOW" at speed and it straightened up. Great diff for everything else, just tap the brake if a wheel gets off the ground on rocks, great on sand, mud, gravel or even if a wheel gets in a soft shoulder and one on pavement.Awesome in snow too. Ice? Holy crap, hold on to your wheel and say a prayer because you may be going forward looking through your rear view mirror.
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback!
@robertrrudd2585
@robertrrudd2585 5 жыл бұрын
My experience with the TruTrac going from snow to ice on a dirt road at 45 mph in a long bed, 4 door 2 WD 84 Chevy, was different from the former comment. I'm not discounting his experience, but mine was a positive outcome. Power went from wheel to wheel and kept me in control. My friend and co-worker in front of me in his 92 Dodge short bed 4x4 in two wheel drive almost lost it. I'm not sure if it was the wheel base difference or what, but in my truck the Tru Trac works for me.
@brandonminson2460
@brandonminson2460 5 жыл бұрын
Robert Rudd where can I purchase a torson Eaton trutrac diff? Everywhere I look has Eaton Detroit locker diff but don’t say torson.
@adritch
@adritch 5 жыл бұрын
@@brandonminson2460 It's called Eaton Detroit Truetrac. drivetrainshop.com or pretty much anywhere amazon ebay ect.
@stardeceiver
@stardeceiver 5 жыл бұрын
Proper studded winter tires, problem solved.
@davidmorello676
@davidmorello676 5 жыл бұрын
sounds like the torsen diff is the best route to go.hhhmmmm
@editz3234
@editz3234 11 ай бұрын
They don’t always work as advertised unfortunately. There’s awkward spots you get your truck in that confuse the dif.
@javierpereira7580
@javierpereira7580 5 жыл бұрын
By far the most comprehensive and clear explanation on lockers. I have not mechanic experience and understood all. Great Job. Tks
@Filthymotorsports
@Filthymotorsports 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@chriscowinadidas69
@chriscowinadidas69 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for that information i did not know that much and want very educational to me about what kind I need to go with for me to start off roading/4X4ing etc.. for my first time ever I had just bought a Jeep Wrangler Sahara unlimited 4 door 6 speed manual transmission marrone burgundy color it is my first Jeep I owned but went with my father as a little child up to the age of 8 maybe even 10 but I loved it and wanted to continue but coming from a poor family and ruining my life early on in my life it is hard to get it back but I finally have gotten myself to where I want to be and now trying to get up the right gear for what I love and being on disability is even harder than I expected but now that I seen this it is a little bit of time easier for me to get there so thanks again for your time and consideration and help you had given me more hope
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