Differential Lockers! ARB vs Yukon vs Detroit vs Spool

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Lincoln locker, Spool, Lunch box locker, ARB, OX, Yukon, Eaton, Detroit. So many options for off-road traction. Today, I want to distill this down to something a little more manageable for those of you that are new to the off-road world. I'm give you a combination of facts and opinion to help give you a little more confidence in choosing what will work best for your 4x4. Enjoy the video!
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@IanGoegebuer 4 жыл бұрын

There's a lot of "this is my opinion" and unlike almost all other locker comparison videos there was no "this locker is trash". Your opinion boiled down to "they all do something different, find one you like and use it". A very good and informative video!

@DirtLifestyle 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy 👍

@Abourgeois17 4 жыл бұрын

Agree 100%, nice to hear pros and cons about all, not just "this one is junk, this one is superior"..just good useful info on all! Good jod!

@bearfarmer 4 жыл бұрын

I have a front Eaton locker and it works great except in northwest mud. The design makes it unlock when traveling forward and reverse till it will lock again, to get out of a mud pit. Most situations it works fine but not if you have to do short burst of forward and reverse. My brother runs an ox cable and I really like it. Just like a motorcycle throttle cable, the guys that dont maintain it have problems.

@phantomwalker8251 3 жыл бұрын

@@DirtLifestyle a lot of european 4x4 army,had cable/handle lockers,like the haflinger,ect..front,rear,& centre lockers..

@John-uo1qf Жыл бұрын

Installed prices for different options is always a consideration in making decisions like this

@Casey250 4 жыл бұрын

You know your an offroad addict when something that keeps you up at night is wondering if metal shavings will collect on the electromagnet on lockers lol :D

@DirtLifestyle 4 жыл бұрын

Lol

@errhka 4 жыл бұрын

@@DirtLifestyle you can solve that issue by having a strong magnet on your plug for the diff housing - the electromagnet is only on when you have the locker actuated, and it shouldn't be strong enough to 'steal' the metal shavings from the magnet on your plug

@this_tj_krawls 3 жыл бұрын

@@DirtLifestyle I will test this theory out. I did the Eaton E-Locker in my D-35 last year along with new 4:88 gears and I'm about to do an inspection to see how the gears are wearing in.

@kenuber4766 3 жыл бұрын

There's nothing worst than shavings on my magnet!! HaHaHa

@edgiroux2037 3 жыл бұрын

@@this_tj_krawls What's the verdict?

@mikehancho5286 4 жыл бұрын

My god dude you were meant for this YT stuff. Simple straight to the point with a production quality better than some of the bigger offroad names on YT. Hats off to you man. I am digging the content.

@DirtLifestyle 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I appreciate the huge compliments! 👍

@mikehancho5286 4 жыл бұрын

@@DirtLifestyle Hey man I tell it how it is. You Channel is one of a few I can stand. No BS filler, and on point with facts. on top of that you are Honest.

@donewhiskey 4 жыл бұрын

@@mikehancho5286 100% I learn something in every video. It may be how to approach a line or how you can probably afford to suck a little at welding, as you figure it out.

@mikehancho5286 4 жыл бұрын

@@donewhiskey Same here. I lost a lot of my wheeling skills when the wife,and I started to have kids. They are 6,and 3 now. My JKUR is finally to the point I would trust it taking the family out on the local trails. These vids especially the slow motion me remember how to pic lines, and technique. Also the fabrication is extremely helpful since I am 100% self taught , and just picked up a Omnie Pro 220 welder to learn. I have a truss kit, LCA skids, and track bar brackets waiting to get burn on. his vids help alot. I share most of his vids my Jeep club since we are predicated on the beginner level side here in WA.

@Jeffsmess 4 жыл бұрын

Mike Hancho I totally agree

@Creekbreezy 4 жыл бұрын

Watching this I could almost smell the gear oil lol

@ypop417 4 жыл бұрын

Changed a Ford 9 inch at a racetrack On a long weekend race event. No good change of clothes smelled like gear oil all weekend. Oh to be young and stupid again LOL

@mattgibbud1529 3 жыл бұрын

Just saw your comment about smelling the oil and made my stomach turn. Ive spent the last few days rebuilding my front end. Smells so burnt im still smelling it.

@piperproductionsinc.1498 4 жыл бұрын

A good friend of mine ran the manual ox locker for years. Never had any issues. He wheeled that thing hard. Hes snapped ring and pinnions and chromoly axle shafts and the locker held up. Then again he's also a mountain biker and knows how to set up cables.

@mitchellanderson7369 4 жыл бұрын

PiperProductionsInc. 😂😂😂

@jondouwri 4 жыл бұрын

I personally love OX lockers. They have some of the best customer service I've seen, and I've never broken one. Broken plenty of axles never an OX. And it is a monster locker.

@Gonecheenin 4 жыл бұрын

I broke a HP D44 OX. Had a 4.0 YJ on 38" Boggers & was trying to climb a nearly vertical 30-ish foot high dirt bank. Came down from a 2-3 foot wheelstand on the Rev limiter & when those paddles bit into the dirt I broke a Yukon stub shaft which must have bashed hard on the spider gears and snapped all the locking teeth off the actuator side axle gear. Couple things - I had been beating on that locker for 4-5 years at this point (and this wasn't the first shaft breakage), I had converted the spring loaded shifter mechanism over to a solid spacer so I could feel when the locker was engaged (had engagement issues in freezing temps with the spring loaded shifter) - but hadn't checked the cable adjustment in quite some time, and I was being very abusive when this failed so while I think OX's locker design was a contributing factor (their locking teeth are backcut making the root of the tooth weaker) - it wasn't shocking that something ultimately let go during this abuse.

@marklowe330 4 жыл бұрын

Love my Detroit's. They are both over 25 years old and still working.

@donhappel9928 4 жыл бұрын

I've been running a Detroit for a few years in the rear with an ARB front. Just in the process of changing it for an Ashcroft (air) now for a couple reasons. First, the Detroit really made me push the front in tight turns to the point where last year on the Dusy (very tight trail) a friend in a similar truck with 10" more wheelbase was making turns I couldn't. Second, I've broken a couple axle shafts in it and it always seems to shock load the remaining axle and twist it in the process. I can't categorically state that's due to the Detroit - it could be both shafts were twisting splines and I only saw it when tearing down to repair, though I've had several other people tell me they've seen the same thing with a Detroit.

@houseofhug 4 жыл бұрын

I had an Ox Locker for 10 years in a D60 front end. Never had an issue hammered it every summer Moab / Colorado / New Mexico.

@allanwagner4570 4 жыл бұрын

Well Nate speaking from years of running Eaton E lockers I can say that the metal shaving thing is a myth my lockers have NEVER let my down never failed to engage and never got plugged with metal shavings take it to the bank!!! never go wrong with EATON E LOCKER

@jamesngotts 4 жыл бұрын

I run E-lockers front and rear on my rig and in general I like them. The only two downsides to an E-Locker is rotation to engage and having an electric wire which is relatively exposed to water and mud at the diff pumpkin. I’ve not had the wire fail but I figure it’s a matter time if you go threw wet terrain. Engagement rotation just forces you to plan ahead and engage your lockers before you hit an obstacle otherwise you’ll have to back up, engage and re-approach. If you engage once you’re stuck you risk a bit of stress on the axle when one tire is spinning and the other isn’t when suddenly the rotation is complete and both shafts lock. Always best to lock when stopped and get the engagement with both tires rotating at the same rpm

@davesbrewing 4 жыл бұрын

The thing that has always confused me is why there are no hydraulic lockers, I mean we have power steering that is hydraulic, we have hydraulic brakes and we used to have hydraulic windows. It is a system that is already in place and taping off the power steering pump is easy to do. Great video thank you .

@David-wg7ub 4 жыл бұрын

David Star million dollar idea

@muds17 4 жыл бұрын

It is a good idea. However if you snag or air line with arb, oh well. You snag your electric line for the locker, oh well.. You snag your hydraulic line.. damn it i lost my lockers, power steering, and power brakes..

@davesbrewing 4 жыл бұрын

@@muds17 I thought about that but the same can be said about the brakes, steering and clutch on a lot of rigs. I would think it would be easy enough to have an auto-shutoff disconnect like the ones on gas pumps, or make it a master/slave system like on a clutch so it would be independent of the rest of the rig.

@c4onmylip 4 жыл бұрын

@@muds17 I've seen plenty of dudes rip a brake line on the trail, it's not a hard fix and most of the time it's not usually a life threatening situation (it could be though if you're in a sticky spot and manage to do that) We usually run with extra lines and fluid for that very reason though, so it wouldn't be that much harder to keep spares for a hydraulic locker imo.

@2S1L3NT 2 жыл бұрын

@@c4onmylip I watched a 97 XJ break a line descending a very large hill. Trail went down, turned for 15' or so then Curved back down. Without brakes he tried to make the turn, but the momentum carried it right into a roll. Went over the side, rolled 3 times, and was stopped, incredibly, by a little 4-5" thick Aspen. Had it not stopped him, he would have rolled another 10-12 times before reaching the bottom of the hill.

@TwilightKid 4 жыл бұрын

FYI, The Ox locker has air electric and manual versions. I believe they all use the same cable in the diff. The other end of the cable goes into either a manual switch, electric actuator so there is no electromagnet inside the diff that might attract metal shavings. My understanding is that it not uncommon that people planning on using the manual switch find that the vehicle they are using doesn't have a good place to mount the switch so the return the manual switch and purchase the electric actuator and switch as it is easier to mount the switch. The air version uses a different air cover but interestingly enough does not use any electricity, it has a pneumatic switch.

@highlander91newk54 4 жыл бұрын

OX locker is the way!!!

@Revnahead957 4 жыл бұрын

Running a Lokka in the rear of my XJ sitting on 33s and an auto. DD with 400-500miles a week on pavement and this performs real well. Off-road - my little XJ impresses everyone watching. I'm happy and I'm not broke.

@SWBCrawler 4 жыл бұрын

I kind of love that you have so many carriers just laying around for your examples.... I HAVE WANTED TO TRY AN OX FOR YEARS!! Eeeeeeeveryones all like, "ARBS OR NOTHING". That settles it. When I lock up the LJ, im getting OX. For the same reasons you listed, the cable seems like such a simple straightforward solution. I've thought so for years. Thanks for the video man. Great stuff.

@SWBCrawler 4 жыл бұрын

Only locker i've ever owned was a detroit "soft locker" (what a horrible name for that locker). Always worked great! Man it had some squirly road manners sometimes. I'd run one again, but ive heard the in coil suspensions they're even worse (i had it on my YJ, on leaves). That thing scared the hell out of me the first time in unloaded. KLANG! and practically sent me into another lane of traffic. Ya get used to it though. :P

@boeconover7263 4 жыл бұрын

I like how your stating the facts about the lockers and saying in my experience and not just saying only one locker is good and the rest are trash.

@dmgmail7021 4 жыл бұрын

Your line at end of video...."Just think about what works best for you and what works best for your trouble shooting abilities " great line doesnt get more to the whole point of a build then that. At the end of the day we have to be our own mechanics on the trail bcs that random guy in a video who told you what you liked was crap isnt gonna show up to fix your rig when you install what he preached. Your one of the good guys anyone at any skill level will benefit from your vids. Thanks for putting this out there.

@DirtLifestyle 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the kind words 👍

@the.murrball 4 жыл бұрын

4 years with Ox, Air actuated lockers front & rear in my XJ... never any issues and no seals to fail, ever wont be dissapointed if you ever pick one up

@trevordavis4728 4 жыл бұрын

The fail safe method works with all the OX lockers. The air and electric ox lockers are probably the most reliable on the market. They all use a shift fork and use the same 100% mechanical carrier.

@timparkin485 4 жыл бұрын

As always, great video! When I lived in America, I had a D2 with a Detroit auto locker in the rear and a TruTrac in the front. With the Traction Control in the D2, in worked amazingly with the front TruTrac. A torsen LSD multiplies the traction from side to side, so when a wheel lifts, the torsen cannot multiply 0 traction. However once it gets working with the Traction Control, its by far the closest you can get to the full performance of a locker in my opinion. Now that I'm back in New Zealand, I run a D1 with an auto locker in the back and an E-Locker up front. The E-Locker is awesome, my one has a sealed solenoid so there's no issue of detail shavings building up on the magnet, and I run super strong magnets on my drain and fill plugs to keep any filings out of the important parts! Been very reliable so far.

@donhappel9928 4 жыл бұрын

I've known a lot of Rover guys who love their TruTracs, especially as you mentioned in the D2 with it's TC to help 'brake' a lifted tire. But I've also wheeled beside basically identical trucks to mine (D1 vs RRC for example) and seen my true lockers (ARB front/Detroit rear) give me an easier time than the TruTracs. I think they are a great option until you get into more serious crawling where having a tire fully in the air is more likely.

@albert10003 4 жыл бұрын

One major difference between air lockers and the e-lockers is the actual locking mechanism. The air lockers lock in immediately once the switch is pressed, e-lockers can require up to half an axle rotation to fully lock, and if you roll backwards while locked you will unlock until you roll to the other side of the internal locking mechanism, which on a 33” tire can be a significant distance on a difficult obstacle. It seems this fact swings a lot of people away from E-lockers despite not needing onboard air

@c.shoefish 4 жыл бұрын

I have dual manual cable lockers in mine. You hit the nail on the head, only issues you're ever going to see is something with adjustment. I've had them for years and never a single issue...after adjusted right.

@ericmillier6652 4 жыл бұрын

I agree lunch box lockers are garbage. Air lockers are by for in my opinion the best for what I do, street and off road. I haven’t been a fan of e-lockers because of the solenoid at the differential and they can hang you up. Detroit and grizzly lockers ‘mechanical’ are my next choice over air. Great video!

@polarablues64 3 жыл бұрын

I have an eaton trutrac in my ranger, 8.8 with 4.10 and 32s. Now I don't rock crawl or anything like that but I deal with mud, ice, and gravel a lot and I couldn't be happier with it.

@fotomotoxxiii 4 жыл бұрын

Ox lockers are the best. Period. That's all we installed at our shop and they're a great family owned company. They have electrical to cable as well that works great. If setup right never had an issue.

@jimcreelman2655 4 жыл бұрын

I lincoln locked an old 9inch I had in my CJ. Loved it off road and honestly it was ok on the street as I never travelled far or fast. One saturday went wheeling with ex and two kids and traveled 50km back home on paved roads at 80-90 kmh. Next day went to the bank and made a 180 around a parked car and then a 90 the opposite way into parking spot and snapped an axle shaft. Towed home on wrecker...pulled it apart and it was obvious that it had been half broken for awhile as there was rust on half the breakage. Had buckshot mudders Q78 which were a tall 33-34inch. If you have a spool or lincoln locker hopefully you are over built for the tires you are running.

@Ondamon375 3 жыл бұрын

I know this video is a little dated, but I feel you’ll love a cable ox locker, me and my dad have ran one on the front Dana on our cj7 for years (10+ same kit) no issues, definitely worth a try

@choking0smurf 3 жыл бұрын

Love my ox. Flip a lever. They are locked for years if you leave the lever flip. No compressor to keep running. No overheating electric diffs. Just simple mechanical locking.

@thegmanfromsf 4 жыл бұрын

Great video. However I think it would've been also good to discuss the different lockers pros/cons for a steering axle and also how having locking hubs can affect locker selection. Some thoughts for another video 😊

@ohsee1346 4 жыл бұрын

I have an Aussie locker in the front of my xj; it has no problem locking up, but it occasionally won't unlock on the street. Only issues I've run into this is when I'm turning hard on icy roads, but it's never unpredictable. Money well spent on a high school budget.

@heartsky 4 жыл бұрын

Lunchbox PowerTrax in my chrysler 8.25" in XJ with 33's -- no problem except the occasional locking up and unlocking on the street, with a loud bang. Turned my Jeep into a tank, night and day difference in off-road capability.

@lol123321123321 4 жыл бұрын

I have a power Trax no slip in my chrysler 8.25 as well. It's the only lunch box locker with additional synchronizer rings so it doesn't ratchet like crazy when cornering like all the other lunchbox lockers. I've used aussie, powertrax, and spartan lunch box lockers and it's by far my favorite. I wish I bought one for the front instead of the spartan... Works great but very clunky on sharp turns, I'm used to it but everyone thinks my Jeep is falling apart haha

@ophirb25 4 жыл бұрын

I had an OX locker, once it was adjusted correctly, I had no issues with it. The cable actuate the locker with a spring so if the cog gear is not aligned with the side gear, it will not cause a problem, and once the wheel is aligned, the spring load snap the gear and lock the diff. Worked very well.

@wseaver1 4 жыл бұрын

I run an ox locker in my xj, only one adjustment to make and that’s the free play at the lever. They giver very specific directions on how to do it, also I like the fact that if I wanted I could very simply make my ox electric just by adding the actuator, they still use a cable on their elocker.

@that2doortahoe4 4 жыл бұрын

Totally want OX lockers!

@Dallas-Rife-UDX-347-Tennessee 3 жыл бұрын

Very helpful , you just kept me from making a “Lesson Learned” costly experience mistake . I’d like to tell you I built my rig or at least helped , but I don’t have the time, so yeah I dropped it off at a shop 🤭. With 40 Super Swampers on front 60/rear Sterling 10.5 ,, the rear limited slip sucks , barely works , so I’m going to have to get a real locker . I went with an Eaton E-Locker up front , tried it out for the first time today , worked great !! But the rear is disappointing , it’s basically a 1 tire fryer 😡. Just found your channel a few days ago , your videos are always very helpful, I was about to order a Detroit Truetrac,, worm gear style cause I’m not concerned with the rear being totally locked up or 50/50 torque,, but after you said anything over a 35 inch it’s basically crappy limited slip that won’t work half the time , I think I’m just gonna go with a Grizzly and be done with it . Thanks for the info

@matthew_harper 4 жыл бұрын

I love ox lockers because you can shift them cable manual, electric, or air. also, they have a little plug that you can screw in on the diff cover and it will lock your diff and bypass everything past the diff cover. I also think the Eaton electric lockers are reliable because all jk and Jl rubicon up to this date have run them. you don't here that many issues with them.

@Ryan_Tidwell 4 жыл бұрын

I have had an issue with my front locker on my JK Rubi. It would not disengage. I had to pull the diff cover and pry it apart. Other than that they have been ok. Driving on the road with the front locked is much harder than I would have thought.

@cmac956 4 жыл бұрын

Hi, I forgot to say, the Dana 44 was in a1960 Willeys Jeep, CJ 5, with 33 12.5's, tires. This is a good video. It covers the subject very well good job Nate .

@willyoung164 4 жыл бұрын

Once my Corona virus stimulus sponsored axle swap is finished, I'll be running a lunchbox locker in my front dana 44 and a limited slip in my ford 8.8 rear. Just keeping everything fairly budget oriented. Samurai guys do everything the cheap way after all

@jasonandrewz2214 4 жыл бұрын

Ran a lunch box front and auburn lsd rear for years. E locker rear made more difference than I expected. Running north Alabama rock. Just my thoughts.

@willyoung164 4 жыл бұрын

@@jasonandrewz2214 selectable rear locker is the planned upgrade path. It's just that the 8.8 already has an lsd, and the lsd in it is better for the amount of street driving I do than any locker I could currently hope to afford for it.

@donewhiskey 4 жыл бұрын

You have a Samurai. I don't care how you do it, I'm gonna be jealous.

@SirEpsidufus 4 жыл бұрын

Why an LSD in the rear and a lunchbox in the front? Sorry, new to the locking business!

@willyoung164 4 жыл бұрын

@@SirEpsidufus basically the lsd is because I have one in the 8.8 already and is overall better for the amount of street driving I do since you don't get the noise of a lunchbox, you don't have to have an open diff when it's off like with a selectable, and since I already have it, it's free. Lunchbox in the front just because it's better than open it would be a fair bit of time before I could buy anything better as I'm cutting the budget fairly close as it is

@69castellano 4 жыл бұрын

I have a "lunchbox" locker in my 2wd V8 s-10 and I love it. it all came down to budget for my decision. As far as locker noise goes, I don't hear mine so to me it's quiet. the only issue I've found thus far is if you have to pull the axles back out it's a PITA! you have to re-align the locker the same way it was when you installed it or it won't come back apart. Ask me how I know. And 1 more small thing. When you park with an automatic, and are not on level ground, the vehicle will roll until the teeth mesh, a little farther than expected. To me this isn't a huge issue, just something to be aware of when you 1st install 1, after that you know what to expect.

@errhka 4 жыл бұрын

this is actually huge for me thanks for sharing this. I haven't installed mine yet and that's good to know for the hilly streets of SD

@scottnicholls4160 3 жыл бұрын

I have a 2020 JLU with a DANA 30 M186 up front on 35" tires and I installed a Spartan lunch box locker . . . . and love it! I have NEVER heard the banging in and out that people mention in some videos. Keep in mind, the JL has a front axle disconnect which helps tremendously on road. If you plan to put in aftermarket axles and delete the disconnect it would be a whole different ball game. I have done some difficult trails in Arizona as well as Moab and love the traction. I do agree that on high traction surfaces it is harder to turn and will put it back into 2 wheel if 4 wheel is not needed; otherwise I just power through it. If money was no object selectable locker all the way but for a good inexpensive locker, don't snub the lunchbox.

@johndempsey8643 4 жыл бұрын

Run what your buddies run and carry wear parts that be quickly fix on the trail. Each of us carry one essential part to get an ARB working again barring no major internal failures.

@krawlerxj955 4 жыл бұрын

Very helpful video. Yea you should make a video of the ox locker

@adventureon3265 4 жыл бұрын

Ox lockers are where it’s at. My previous Jeep had one in the rear and it was wonderful.

@killedbysatan 4 жыл бұрын

I put the Yukon Grizzly in the rear axle of my Toyota and I love it. It was a little weird getting used to on the street, but overall not bad. The off road performance pros far outweighs the on road cons. Great video!

@23rz34 4 жыл бұрын

I just recently got back into a Wrangler about 2 months ago and can’t stop watching off-roading videos (both yours and other channels). I just started my build (which will unfortunately be used for the street most of the time) but am always learning about off-roading. Despite not using my Jeep how you use yours, and not being very mechanically inclined, I appreciate the fact you know your shit inside and out and take the time to explain a lot of things to people like myself who aren’t very skilled when it comes to mechanics. Keep up the good work and keep the vids coming 👍🏼

@DirtLifestyle 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much! I appreciate you taking the time to rewrite a positive comment 👍

@jeep_freek1640 4 жыл бұрын

I have an OX in my LJ. I opted for 35 spline. Moly shafts and trussed with a Tri-4. Wanted to keep it as strong as possible while keeping it narrow as I could without having to build a set of narrowed 60's (no time). I absolutely love it. Customer service is top notch and and the drive away lock made it for me.

@mastermoarman 4 жыл бұрын

I have ox lockers. They offer a air actuation cover and retrofit cylinder. I had a cable I linked and my rear never worked. But like you said my fault. The front was a bit difficult to get rite. On my d30 with 18 inch of flex doen on drivers side it would disengage the locker just a limit of the cable. Once I put the air solenoid on never had a problem

@00mazone 3 жыл бұрын

I wheeled with a guy once that had a OX locker and he had it converted to a air actuator. I thought it was really cool because the actuator was on the outside of the diff so if you had a failure you could put the fail safe plug in but you don't have to deal with the problematic cable. Plus if any seals went bad it would be a easy repair compared to the ARB. Kind of the best of both lockers. Anyway, I have run almost all types of lockers at one point or another and I think you did a excellent job in this video.

@danielnelson9373 3 жыл бұрын

I'm building a 97 rock crawler now. 2004 Rubicon tcase, and 44s front and rear. Chromoly, RCV, and Elockers. 4.56, 37's to start and a Golan 4.6 stroker. Almost went OX. Loved the video

@lindeleasley 3 жыл бұрын

Zip locker up front, ARB in the rear. I use the ARB pump to actuate them...the CO2 is to air up tires and run tools, if I need them.

@GorillaCookies 4 ай бұрын

I have OX lockers front and rear and have never had a single issue. They have been awesome and the the positive lock and unlock at the moving of a lever is the best part.

@thedude828-ed2nn 4 ай бұрын

I just got a arb locker and i gotta say so far its been amazing!!

@rickeco4tango33 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent video!! It took me 5 Jeep’s and a few friends builds to figure this out!!

@jamesmcnamara7484 4 жыл бұрын

Ran ox cable operated in my rig. That thing was freakishly good. 375hp granny gears deep water, rocks on 35” tires full size truck

@DoreDerek 4 жыл бұрын

I’ve seen that OX Lockers can be run with a cable, air or electric.

@ddesilva61 4 жыл бұрын

Deep Behind Enemy Lines - yep, without pressurizing the diff.

@mikehancho5286 4 жыл бұрын

I am thinking when my Rubicon lockers shit out switching to OX since they offer a 32 spline, and I already chromo shafts.

@richardeblantonii5893 4 жыл бұрын

The ox lockers use a fork that is anchored in the dif cover. All versions are actuated outside on the dif cover. I am going to use the OX air lockers. There are no internal air lines inside the pumpkin. If you have a cabled OX locker you can convert it to air by unscrewing the cable setup and screwing in the air cylinder to the outside of the dif cover. They are american made. I look at the failures on air lockers on youtube and it is the internals that go bad.

@collinwillis7037 4 жыл бұрын

I’ve got an OX locker in the rear of my JK and I love it.

@hisnameisiam808 4 жыл бұрын

Just got an ox put into a high pinion d30 to put into my tj in the next month. I'm excited!

@tomsmith3045 4 жыл бұрын

Agree what others have said - it's great to see a product review that's not about somebody selling something and that has an open mind. For what it's worth, my "it sees street use only" Xterra came factor with a rear electric locker. Never had any trouble with it. I do use it once in a while, mostly for fun, in deep snow. Works fantastic. As far as the metal shavings go, my take is that if you're making metal with your gears, that you've already got a problem going on...the magnet is only going to pick it up if it's in the fluid or flying around, it won't pick it up if it's just sitting in the bottom of the case. Can't be that strong.

@ms.karihart2983 4 жыл бұрын

Nate you’ve simplified lockers from my Perspective thank you

@DirtLifestyle 4 жыл бұрын

Great! I did my Job! 😁

@TheScoundrel70 4 жыл бұрын

A trick for Ox Lockers I picked up from the long haul endurance off-road bikes is to pre-run a second cable to each locker. Should the first fail, the second is already in place. It's a bit of extra work up front, but makes things easy when Murphy strikes.

@Jbennett070 4 жыл бұрын

Currently running a Torq Locker in the D30. So far no issues, handled Moab just fine. Definitely got my money outta it lol

@jake-mv5oi 4 жыл бұрын

Happy with mine too once it broke in some .

@brianblocher6931 4 жыл бұрын

Also running the Torq Locker in the D30 front. Yes some ratcheting in turns and will also bind up a bit sometimes in very tight parking lot maneuvers. Off road its a beast.

@Clear-text 4 жыл бұрын

Love mine too

@x4x4offroad87 3 жыл бұрын

Great video man I have always been kind of a Hobart locker guy and I've welded up all of my rigs for strictly off-road none of my on-road off-road I got a 88 Suzuki samurai that I'm going to put a little mini spool in and see what it does but you talking about the cable lockers that might be ultimately what I do just for the simple fact of what you said you can get those slugs and put them in there and take them out great video loved it man keep it up

@RecklessWrenchGarage 4 жыл бұрын

Good comparison video, tons of good information. The only major thing I would add is that welding a diff or using a lunchbox locker does not require replacing the carrier. Putting a tru-trac, auto locker or selectable requires knowing how to setup the gears again after you replace the carrier. Personally, I would never pull a diff to put anything that isn't a true locker inside an axle

@kissane1980 2 жыл бұрын

Another fantastic channel! You guys rocked at the full size invasion videos. I sat down and showed those videos to my coworkers in Norway, Sweden, Turkey and Greece. And with my brothers back home in Ireland. Great content guys, that all of us have enjoyed, thank you for making the effort to share it. Respect.

@sherri082772 2 жыл бұрын

I love my Detroit tru trac in my 1990 Chevy truck, it really complements my 427 big block!!!

@raevennull Жыл бұрын

I've run the G80 LS, lunchbox, and now elockers. They all have their ups and downs. I have a stock Toyota eLocker on the rear of my FJ80 and it can be slow to lock/unlock at times. I have an Eaton in the front and it locks in right away, but takes a little bit of a turn before it engages both shafts. On my 4Runner with Aussie lockers (lunchbox), they're great except for when you have to turn under power. Any time it is under power it wants to push straight. It sometimes makes turns more complicated. I often ride with people that have ARB air lockers. The engage and disengage almost instantly. However, it never fails that someone has an air leak and they can't get one of their lockers to stay locked.

@dustyallen4197 4 жыл бұрын

Detroit locker in front 30 with truss and gussets. Eaton Elocker in the rear 44. The ability to unlock the rear helps with turning through tight obstacles.

@street_legal_go_kart7356 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent video No Doubt maybe just a tin the difference between front and rear also. I think an auto Locker lunch box or Detroit Etc. Better in the front no brain function and nothing to fail. And mostly unnoticeable on the road I've definitely has a little bit of drift with the Detroit in the front. But definitely either a selectable or Torsen LSD in the rear to keep a tight turning radius and a more streetable vehicle. Love the Torsen LSD I have in my JK over the Spartan Locker I had in my TJ a lot more predictable no surprises when I'm not ready. Ran Detroit truetrac in the front of a TJ since I still have the D30 and I didn't want to add stress to it. JK running the Detroit locker and I like it a lot better.

@billjcanada 3 жыл бұрын

I have been very happy with my electric lockers. Have had zero problems. Ran lunch box lockers in my Samurai without any problems but they were noisy.

@jefferylorance7988 Жыл бұрын

Thank you , I learn a lot today. I like your honest opinions! Yours is base from real, true experience. Aloha

@johnharrelson7537 4 жыл бұрын

Just ordered an ARB and a set of Yukon gears this week! Can’t wait!

@dano8065 3 жыл бұрын

How are they working out? I'm about to pull the trigger on 4.56 Yukons and a ARB for the rear in my Xj.

@johnharrelson7537 3 жыл бұрын

@@dano8065 zero issues. Have had them installed for about 9 months now and have put about 1,500 road miles on them and some serious trail abuse. I’ve broken 2 front shafts (1 stock and 1 chromoly stub shaft) and 2 sets of u-joints and the rear gears/ARB are perfect.

@robertdoran7387 9 ай бұрын

Got an '03 TJ. Currently stock axles and gears. Looking at OX lockers today. I heard of them a couple years ago and forgot all about them till I saw a video today. I love everything about it. Not sure if I want to waste the money on a Dana 35, but I do it on a 44 for sure.

@raychilcote5558 3 жыл бұрын

CJ-5. D44 rear with a spool. It's extremely consistent (both wheels turn). Cheap compromise early in the build. Great offroad. Livable on pavement, but would like better. Selectable back there at some point. Have OBA (ARB?). But that slug for the Ox sounds nice. Heck, I'd love a slug and a plug with no cable. Aussie locker up front (D30). Love it. Actually, it's quiet (can't remember any clicking in 10 years besides installation time with cover off). Having twin sticks on the transfer case makes the front Aussie a perfect fit. Uncle's Detroit in the rear of his Jeep MB would move the vehicle 3' sideways on the street. Learned not to run anything spring/clutch releasing in the rear.

@bransencortez7353 4 жыл бұрын

Youre right. Im a drifter and i DO love this!

@DirtLifestyle 4 жыл бұрын

Lol

@Castle_Bravo_SQ 4 жыл бұрын

I agree with almost everything you said. I've used the "lunchbox" style, factory JK elockers, ARB airlockers and eaton elockers. The ARB has the strongest engagement mechanism of the lot. But all have been used and abused on 37s and 40s. And none have let me down. You'd break an axle or gear set 90% of the time before you bust a locker. If you are building a bullet proof full off road competition build I'd say ARB are the go. But for the other 95% of people it'd be best to use what ever suit your budget or build.

@user-ef4nv7ub4o 4 жыл бұрын

Hi, Buddy, you should bring your air locker to the cold weather, it sucks! In Florida or mid area, it works good, but when you bring it to Alaska, you will tell the difference between air and electrical. Air can be taken out when cold.

@noblesseoblige2365 3 жыл бұрын

I think a few points you could elaborate on would be cost and availability of parts and repair. Personally I live in Australia and ARB lockers are quite cheap. I also have an arb dealer who carries parts 15 mins from my house. Hence I have ARB air lockers. One big thing to consider is how many lockers you need and you also have the ability to mix and match. Someone who is doing less offroad may be better off running an auto locker up front and an elocker in the rear. Also if you're not fitting them yourself consider the experience of whoever is fitting them for you. If your local diff shop hasn't ever fitted a E locker but they have set up 100 air lockers you're probably better off with air. Great video tho man ! Very good points and information.

@unlimitedoutdoors3307 4 жыл бұрын

I will be starting with Eaton Torson lockers in my 06’ LJ; because I’m currently running 32/11.50’s. Once I go to 35’s and re-gear, I will be changing the rear to the manual OX locker. I really like the idea of the simple direct reliability of it. Just like JEEP 😊

@phoenixlove76 4 жыл бұрын

I had a cable actuated ox locker on my TJ, only for the front and the rear was LSD. I mainly wheeled in the mud and sand, never had an issue with reaching down,pulling a lever and bam. Traction.

@mike86mike 4 жыл бұрын

Nothing better then an ox locker when installed the right way.

@BenWebster84 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I have no idea why I never watch this video until now and I've watched almost every single video that you put out... This past weekend we were out wheeling and I got my XJ on 35s completely buried with no lockers just open diffs and now that's the next upgrade I'm getting is some kind of locker

@MyBridgestone24 4 жыл бұрын

I've been watching your content for quite some time. Fairly new to the off-road scene - just a few years now. Somewhat unintentionally my wife and I started exploring local B or C unmaintained roads just for kicks. As the roads became more intense we started to modify or family hauler, starting with tires and going from there. A year ago I bought a dedicated "rig" (not a Jeep). Now looking for a TJ to start playing with. Point of my story, we knew next to nothing and your content has been hugely helpful, a guide even. So much incorrect info out there - really appreciate your content. Keep it up.

@billcox3378 4 жыл бұрын

Best off-road channel on KZfaq.

@DirtLifestyle 4 жыл бұрын

Much appreciated!

@TypeGGarage 3 жыл бұрын

So well laid out, well done dude. I appreciate the bluntness and IMHO is exactly what I'm looking for in these kinds of videos, No bias.. just factual based opinions.

@NextAdventureYoutube 4 жыл бұрын

Great video! Thanks for the upload.

@vingtsun1952 3 жыл бұрын

FYI, early G-Wagens use cable actuated lockers. I have a 1990 and it works great, so far….

@renevelez9444 2 жыл бұрын

Great explanation and presentation. One thing you did not cover was Free Floating Hubs or Lockouts. - Thank you!

@souperwulf 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent video, and VERY informative. Thank you 👍🏼

@paulbarbour7278 3 жыл бұрын

This may be the best and simplest breakdowns I have seen of varying types of diffs and lockers. Well done friend.

@projectbumblejeep4190 4 жыл бұрын

Great stuff as usual Nate! I really appreciate that you separate your opinion from the facts. We can disagree and keep it friendly. And you are right about what I have/sue is the best. Every body like to think that whether it's true or not. Stay well and God bless.

@phillippearce9680 4 жыл бұрын

I really like the benefits of the Ox locker. I can't wait to see you do an install. Great job👍

@douglansburg4545 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent job

@terryderush7066 4 жыл бұрын

I just like the way you put things. Not to hard to fugue things out what works for you is best for you. Great job

@TheGX47D 4 жыл бұрын

Great video. Kept on topic and very open to options. Thumbs up

@MrBradican 4 жыл бұрын

Great down to earth video. Much appreciated.

@FatGreenSheep Жыл бұрын

I know it’s kind of a late comment, but I finally have a little experience with lockers under my belt. A buddy of mine swears by auto lockers and pretty much exclusively puts lunch box lockers in his Toyotas unless he gets a good deal on a Detroit or buys an axle with a Detroit in it. He’s broken a couple of welded diffs and bent a spool, but not destroyed a lunchbox yet. I have a Spartan locker(lunch box) in the front of my truck(full size dodge on one tons and 37’s) and factory lsd rear right now and have had no issues, just don’t like hearing it ratchet. I’m now going to air lockers soon and I’m stoked to be back to making smooth turns.

@maxbakken8521 4 жыл бұрын

Spool forever !

@IMTHEONEOVERLAND Жыл бұрын

You nailed it man, great info! Now got a better view on what options to go with !!! Worth subscribing to your Chanel !!!

@defender90keswick.nigelsla59 4 жыл бұрын

I love your channel Nate!! We love Ashcroft lockers here in the UK. I need to afford a pair.

@carlsandvik2893 4 жыл бұрын

I recently upgraded my limited slip in a ten bolt to an eLocker in a Dana60. I always thought the posi was working good enough, but the eLocker performs amazing. Oh, and moved to a Yukon Grizzly out back. I do things in Rwd that I needed 4wd before. I should have locked up years ago. Thanks for a great video Nate, good content well delivered as usual. Be well.

@perrymahnke886 4 жыл бұрын

Great video & thank you for all the great information. Please keep the great videos coming, I have not been disappointed with any of your video content.

@davidgreen9957 4 жыл бұрын

Nice explanation! I use a Eaton Truetrac in the rear and a Detroit Locker in the front. Steering is heavy in 4X4, but it drives great on the street and does pretty well offroad.

@street_legal_go_kart7356 4 жыл бұрын

More or less that's what I run I'm running a Torsen LSD in the rear with a Detroit Locker in the front and I think it's the best combination for Street use give you lots of traction on the street if you like to play on the fuel and predictable. You don't lose much off road and you still have excellent turning radius. No electric no Airlines and always works.

@donhappel9928 4 жыл бұрын

That's seems backward to me - wouldn't you want the Detroit in the rear where you most need a 'true' locker and the more street-friendly manner of the TT in the front?

@street_legal_go_kart7356 4 жыл бұрын

@@donhappel9928 nope had tj with true track front and sparton rear . It did do well . not as well as the other way . to much gas or rpm in a turn it will lock up and do 180 quick . or move little side ways hits icepatch . full locker tire with most traction is pushing and your going that way ready or not .

@street_legal_go_kart7356 4 жыл бұрын

@@donhappel9928 if u can get front over it u can drag the rest behind u .

@davidgreen9957 4 жыл бұрын

@@donhappel9928 It does sound backwards, but having the Detroit in the rear makes a short wheelbase push in the corners. Had one in my CJ. Watch John Currie's Video, he runs a selectable in the rear to prevent this. I didn't want the expense or complexity of ARBs. I like the Eaton E-Locker, but again $$$.