togashi with the 1000000 trillion iq play

This

what did togashi mean by this??!

FUUUUUCK

Genius

It's not unique to anime either. If I had a dime for every time I browsed new books and found a crappy 'subversive' or 'dark' version of a classic fairy tale.... :/ Please stop making these. Your feminist grimdark take on Little Red Riding Hood is not a new or original idea.

hxh is good not because it is subversive, but it is subversive, every arc defy expectations first arc has the inverse tournment where the strongest fight only one time, meaning no increasing stakes second arc has the dansel in destress simply walk out, while the heroes are getting their powerups third arc they never get to the top of the arena, at least gon achieve to give the number back to hisoka, but doesn't defeat him in a "surprising" development mid battle fourth arc is the meeting between the heroes and the main villains, they never fight because they are too weak, the semi main character gets his vegeance, but it is useless greed island is the less subversive,they have a full trining arc, gon actually wins the game, get the prize and use it to get closer to his objective them we have chimera ant the most analyzed arc current arc is jojo battle royale

It's good when an anime is subversive but when it's trying to be subversive for no other reason than to be cool, that's crap. Same with grimdark writing.

The expectation is shit writing. Competent writing subverts the expectation.

@@tiagodarkpeasant That kind of subersivion is just called good story telling. In terms of a shounen it is just calling attention to the flaw story telling of the most mainstream shounen stories.

Same here. No point in being different or subversive if it's also boring as shit.

CidGuerreiro1234 yeah you're right but how the fuck is jojo subversive

You said it all.

@@CidGuerreiro1234 Totally agree.

Here here

It's not the tools, it's how you utilize them.

going to give you 3 likes for that comment

Genius man

Bingo. This is why I like My Hero

GGWP Your deconstruction of deconstructivist mainstream is making my head hurt x_x

Really makes you think huh

GGWP subception

so everything that isn't subversive _is_ subversive of the subversive. which means that in essence everything is subversive, - but if that's the case then we might as well say nothing is.

I think you found the secret to the success of fairy tail.

DxBlack Well regardless, the fight didn't end with one punch.

That wasn't his point. His point was that it just turned into a normal shonen fight.

i wouldn't really call it a normal shonen fight. saitama was more or less just taking the hits like they were nothing for most of the fight. most finale battles in anime have both characters pulling out all the stops, throwing down as many big and flashy powerful attacks at their disposal, neither one giving an inch as they struggle back and forth. saitama more or less just humors his opponent at the very end after he uses a "serious" move, if only so he wasn't entirely disappointed in the outcome of the fight when he realized how utterly and hopelessly powerless against saitama. even if the fight didn't end with one punch, it was still what, three punches? (not counting his consecutive punches which might as well have been overkill)

FeanixFlamage although you point is valid, what if saitama was actually being serious, and instead was bummed out at the end, thinking that the fight he just had was the best he was ever going to find. Just a thought. I'm not the most knowledgable and would not mind if you replied on this matter.

It's not about that. The point is that the show doesn't stay true to its core 'joke' and depicts an epic fight as it just wants to show cool fighting scenes as any other shounen. Saitama could've easily ended a fight after seeing that Boros could take his normal punch and Saitama doesn't do this just because he feels pity for Boros as he totally understands his situation as noone else and let him go all out just before he kills him, that's why Saitama uses 'serious punch' only when Boros makes his final move. A justified scene but that's not the point that is made here.

Yes, I agree. Tropes are narrative archetypes that allow us to understand stories with ease. Subverting them is a narrative tool to tell compelling stories. In the end, tropes and subversion are just tools to tell stories ^_^

that is the thing, subversion is a tool, not the objective, you can be subversive and fail, if it leads to a worse story, like sao never fighting the fucking boss, just a maniac with hacks

How can I get a JoJo body though?

8 hours of training every day for 20 years.

Depends on what part you're after!

I'm after *the body* part of a body.

Lio Mei I meant story parts like Stardust Crusaders or Vento Aureo... O___O

We just crave something new.

@@matt0044 that crave is a fatal flaw

Some people like to feel "smart/intellectual." I should know the feeling firsthand; been there, done that.

probaby

@@cavendish2925 its a phase, Im over it and went back to the Narutard that I was as a kid.

jillleigh99 Yeah the one thing I would use to label HxH as a deconstruction is Gon's character. The story presents him in a certain way early on and you're lead to believe he's just another happy-go-lucky Luffy or Goku kind of hero. Then as things go on you slowly discover that what defines him as a "classic" shonen protagonist are also the things that make him violently unstable and a danger to himself and his friends. The moment when a mass-murdering bomb maniac calls HIM crazy says it all, really

jillleigh99 ...I don't feel like you even hit the mark on what he was trying to accomplish with the video. He wasn't claiming that certain elements from HxH made it a deconstruction, rather that these elements don't make it subversive. Digi is saying the elements are only just good storytelling and nothing more.

Shadic6098 I feel as if the purpose of the video was to point out the elements that people often cite to argue that a show is a deconstruction,& showing that those points don't necessarily make a show subversive. With my comment I was trying to address some of the elements that I think do make it deconstructive & subversive, in a sense, because he didn't address them & because I'm always ready to sing the praises of hxh lol

+jilleigh99 That...sounds genuinely mature, and interesting.

King?

+OniLink that's a spoiler

Hưởng Lê Văn Man. I wasn't patient enough and read ahead in the manga. After reading that part, that scene in episode 11 made so much sense. It was glorious.

AnonEars mumem rider?

Naw, Mumen rider is perfectly aware of how he compares to other heroes, and he actually is still badass for doing his best.

Once the counterculture is embraced, it becomes mainstream. After that, we just do it again and again, possibly taking inspiration from previous eras to create the "new" counterculture. It's pretty much the history of art, where the "new" culture is just a reaction to the previous one.

While I want to agree with you, I think humbly of how I am only 27. Started anime at age 3 or 4, and it could barely walk compared to the speed at which it's dosed out these days, all technology and such considered. So perhaps it has just started after all, but we're in a time where the attention span left over is diluted and diminishing with all that keeps flying to the screens. In other words, our time to care gets smaller and smaller as inflation of crap rises lol...but objective time wise, perhaps we could still consider this trend "new"?

Sounds like a personal problem. Don't imprint your personal problems with the medium and think it's the general feel of the world.

Luckily, this guy did kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qN2igcyL1qzFcZ8.html

yeah, just watched his, but his doesn't go in as much depth as i'd like it to like yours :/

As you were talking about shonen series being different, you should talk about World Trigger, another Shonen Jump series(and unfortunately an underrated one) that avoids most of the common cliches with the genre(letting the protagonist alone to save the world, use power ups, etc) Read it or watch it, but please talk about it man

+Digibro As you were talking about shonen series being different, you should talk about World Trigger, another Shonen Jump series(and unfortunately an underrated one) that avoids most of the common cliches with the genre(letting the protagonist alone to save the world, use power ups, etc) Read it or watch it, but please talk about it man

As you were talking about shonen series being different, you should talk about World Trigger, another Shonen Jump series(and unfortunately an underrated one) that avoids most of the common cliches with the genre(letting the protagonist alone to save the world, use power ups, etc) Read it or watch it, but please talk about it man

Really? Hunter x Hunter sure have those common anime tropes and storyline but I don't think someone could simply come up of how the story is structured and executed well like Togashi does. For example, the main four characters are not even always together in every arc and somehow Togashi manage to tell a story without feeling it out of place. If you read the manga further to the current arc, you will know what I mean. Not every mangaka do the story where the big main character like Gon completely out of the next arc without it being out of place but it manages to pull out naturally because Gon's journey to find his father ended. Many mangakas subverts expectations but done it poorly same for common or cliché storyline in anime, even though its repetitive as long as its done great its a good anime.

@@rexgeorgerodriguez7620 plenty of writers can and have, read more instead of sucking off Togashi so much

That first part is basically just Superman.

Subversion in HxH is to tell you card game mechanics with over 100 cards, then painfully in detail tell about abilities of some of them, use like 4 of them, then lately the mentioned cards render useless. I have never been trolled so much before

The HxH thing you did is not that subversive. One Piece, for example, was already playing with it in a shy way before, untill it became a strong point for characters like Hody Jones, Doflamingo, Señor Pink... And Jojo did that too before in Part 4.

He lost a bit of credibility by not mentioning Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood.

FMA wasn't published in Shonen Jump.

@Shaddy - He's not just talking about Shounen Jump though.. He specifically mentioned "Shounen Tropes", which includes other popular Non-Jump Shounens like Fairy Tail, Detective Conan, FullMetal Alchemist, etc.

ShinachiHChan it wasn't necessary to bring up FMA. So to say "he lost credibility" is sort of ridicolous

Riley Jones - Actually FMA was/is very relevant when discussing the execution of shounen tropes. And anybody with credible knowledge on the genre should always consider it, in regards to the genre. Also, i specifically pointed out "*A bit* of credibility"- implied as little to none.

*chew*

What I got from this video: 1) People don't actually know what subversion and deconstruction means; 2) Jojo is the tits.

Miselus subversion appently means to shake-up the system of something

Wespa64 Love and live, I agree. Subversive, I don't think so.

Android 19 DUWANG

I agree with your point and you actually made me think about OPM in a new light a bit, but interestingly enough, I didn't like OPM BECAUSE of it's de-dramatization. Seeing drama and emotions are what get us attached to characters, but Saitama's non-dramatic personality means we'll never see him "really" struggle with anything and that's what (IMO) made OPM forgettable.

Same here. I struggled with OPM. I struggled with wanting to like it, hearing from everyone it was so good, and then just.. not being able to. There's this pervasive atmosphere of nihilism and flatness from the non-dramatic tone it tries to strike as a blow against 'fiction drama', the way mass destruction happens seemingly at random and for no reason, the powerlessness of almost everyone in this world, that all combines perhaps in ways the author didn't quite intend. The show communicated very clearly that Saitama mattered, and literally that's it, so I hope you don't care about anyone else. Even Genos is never going to win or succeed, so while he's likable, why bother caring about him? All the other good guys are worse for the same reason; either they're jerks, or while they may be likable, they're all complete jobbers. Either I'm not supposed to take them seriously and they're jokes, in which case why am I getting multiple whole episodes of their courageous (yet entirely futile) struggle, and if I am supposed to take them seriously, why don't they matter narratively and all that? Same with villains. If they're all one-note 'I'm going to kill humans literally just because' then why is so much time and effort spent on them, and if they're not, why don't most of them have any depth? The villains in a parody superhero show are really a chance, and so far in season one, it's just, nothing.

Christian Choo muda muda

MUDAMUDAMUDAMUDA

OP Man meh i still love the shouting of those beautiful oras, mudas and doras

Isaac Argesmith it lives up to the "bizzare" in its name

Christian Choo Arrivederci!

Blizzard is pretty sweet too. Dem curves...

ur al rong asuna breast gill

U all have shit taste in waifs im sorry guys

Kutao Izumi you spelled mosquito girl wrong

You are all wrong, Genos best Waifu

Yeah, evolutionary is an exaggeration, but they all made a pretty big impact. Heck re-reading Naruto shocked me because I forgot how good it used to be.

You do realize that the Hunter x Hunter manga started running before Bleach and Naruto proper and just a bit later than OP, right? Even if we're talking anime only, the HxH and OP adaptations started at the exact same time too.

Everybody uses HXH to compare to naruto but the problem is that they are still both different series. One is about hunters and one is about ninjas.

but they became repetitive and just recycles the formula

It's fun at first before it gets obnoxious with pretentious fans of more "subversive" series saying shonen like it's an insult.

Also thanks for talking about opm I really liked this segment And thanks for giving jojo that praise

But only shounen i ever truly liked is Yu Yu Hakusho

ew275x Said stigma is slightly below "real anime"

luckily, we now have a solution, and that solution is my hero academia.

The _original_ DBZ dub at that. Kai's dub is way more faithful with it's twists and turns.

I see what you're getting at but there is such a thing as "typical shounen". Sure there's outliers like Death Note, but they're just exceptions that prove the rule. Most are like inferior versions of Yu Yu Hakusho, DBZ and My Hero Academia.

Nowadays it is

I think his point is that any good Shounen series is subversive in it's own right, even the ones we think are setting the standard, like DBZ. Thus, OPM - or any other anime - being subversive, is nothing new.

TheRainSnake pretty sure in one punch man he fought boros because Saitama know what it feels like to be so bored and itching for a fight. Even in the end Saitama said it was tough to beat boros just so he could feel content for fighting Saitama. Saitama's compassion is something really amazing bout him

And Boros is mad at him for holding back, because he has the same dilemma as saitama, he deastroyed dozens of enemies for a worthy enemy, and saitama holds back. Hunter x hunter is smart and creative. that is why it is good. That and the author is a troll who loves keeping the audience on its toes, to subvert the expetations while still making logical sense. And he likes traps like alluka who has no specified gender.

No he never had the ability to kill Boros. Boros was only going to die after he used up his energy to stop regening. Boros never stood a chance but saitama didn't have an out until Boros used all his energy for a single attack

@The Fantom Convoy Yes, it is. It's in Shounen Jump. That makes it Shounen.

Not really, no.

#nihilisticthoughtswithRichTits

function /= meaning also we cant be sure to perceive them the way they really are so no, not even that

Simple means of differentiating meaning v. function. Consider a $20 bill: -function (purpose/role): serves as a medium for exchange transaction -meaning (in context of question; value/worth/significance): the numerical buying power associated with the value 20.00 we attribute to it

+unsigned int Without getting into a debate of semantics, in retrospect, the inclusion of purpose was in poor taste in elucidating my point as I haphazardly included it as being synonymous despite the fact that purpose has intention behind it whereas a function can be an inherent property. In the money example, until we attribute value to it, it cannot serve it's intended functionality; its functionality is predicated on its value. Ultimately, this is very much an argument of whether or not existence precedes essence. The main point I’m trying to elucidate, as +IDKMJTOANIHITII noted, is that despite having a function that doesn’t necessitate any notion of value without us being the ones to ascribe value to it. Despite the role of fundamental particles, energy, forces, and the like, if one doesn’t attribute value to the constructs brought about by the amalgamation of them then it would follow that they have no relative value to that individual. Even iff these fundamental forces were objective depictions of reality, that wouldn’t constitute any reason for their being aside from the mere fact that “they are what they are.”

no, that's The Nutshack.

your name is hilarious XD

One Piece is better.

If HxH2011DRA says it, you know it is true. Hey buddy :)

TalesOfNerdia You know it! Good to see ya man ;)

The fact that I take issue with you saying "good guy and bad guy" supports your point further

which is why i dropped it at ep 1. i can't afford the amount of food it makes me crave

MrAwesome45 the manga is worse. sooo much detail in the first 3 pages jfc

ya i saw the first chapter's few first pages and i got hungry that day i didn't eat for 20 hours so you can imagine how that fucked me up

I think what really made me like the manga is its absolutely autistic passion for world building, even the tea leaf that made the tea that the characters are drinking come from a tree with a specific way of harvesting its leaf in its own specific ecosystem oh and the animals there look like it come from Australia serial killer cousin.

Long Rùa and the jelly that changed flavors while eating it~ Welp, time to read toriko some more. Wish me luck

Of course.

fact

You don't even discuss that

What are you talking about? there is only Dragon Ball

dbz is much better. Comedy and goofy characters

Just Some Guy with a Mustache Now that you've mentioned it... I've always wanted to see an idealistic shonen protagonist that wants to become a hero encounter so much horrible and disfiguring shit to where by the end of the series, the idealism of said protagonist is gone and he even becomes suicidal due to the actions he made in order for his dream to become a hero come true. I want a character that starts out mischievious, playful and idealistic. But at the end, he's more mature, reserved, and shy; something along the lines of Jaden Yuki's character development from YGO GX. The only trait that stays constant about the protagonist is his 'determinator' nature, and even then that aspect of him goes from endearing to downright disturbing as the series progresses.

*One Touch Man

unassumption no, but i would say they have same concept, The first 15-20 were Ken is just Saving People from Warlords who talk shit and Then Ken Ends them anti-climactic with 100+ Fist, not until maybe 25 as remember when story gets super serious, Also unlike OPM, Fist was Meant To be taken Serious from start

Except Kenshiro actually struggled in some fights and was defeated by Souther once.

TheDavoo He had correct examples but it's how he correlates amount killed with how dark a story is rather than how it was carried out.

Well to subvert something, you have to specifically make your audience believe you're doing something, but then not. If a show was trying to subvert the idea of getting a new power up, just never having your character learn anything new isn't subversion. You have to have your character be given something that at first sounds like a power up/new move... But it turns out to have been fake or the opposite.

This isn't feasible when a lot of shonen anime is predictable nowadays. For something to be fun and enjoyable, it has to do something relatively different from the norm, and a lot of modern shonen anime can't really do that when the roots of the genre (Naruto, DBZ, etc.) have been established. The closest thing we have to this is FSN (most especially Heaven's Feel), and that movie trilogy/route in the VN plays out as less of a shonen anime and more of a psychological horror within the perspective of a supposed (emphasis on supposed) shonen protagonist like Shirou Emiya.

Somehow it doesn't add anything new, I'll have to disagree

More importantly, is a seinen

The Sea King was in no way ironic.

My comment was in all ways ironic. I even stuttered, c'mon bois...

***** What's irony

I actually like HxH not just because its subversive but it does surbversion in a logical way. It doesn't feel out of place because its fits to the characters decisions and actions. Many shows tried this but it feel force because it doesn't fit the story and character decisions and actions.

Your Mom that one cat that's name I forgot

Who cares about that cat whose name we've forgotten?

Arsel Crusader Yamcha...?

Good point.............

Oh, I don't know, the people who has watched the original Dragon Ball since the beginning, or the fact a character being killed a second time DOESN'T come back from the dead?

Powerups are not as common as you'd think. In One Piece the characters had to train for two years off screen and still did not gain much but some power level boost. (not counting Luffy's Gears). In Fullmetal Alchemist, any "powerup" is really just the characters learning a hidden secret about alchemy and exploiting that new found knowledge. Also you still misunderstood what Subversion means. Saitama is no different from Luffy or Goku, One Punch Man just makes a joke out of it while the other two series has the super character distracted by something else.... One punch man does that too actually.

Saint Seiya, Heavenly Sphere Shurato, Demon Prince Zenki, Sakigake! Otokojuku, Ninku, Hell Teacher Nube, & Flame of Recca are among the many Shonen anime that follows the Power-Up Trope. Other Shonen titles like Hikaru no Go and Rurouni Kenshin do not use those tropes for the simple reason that it does not apply to the theme and style of anime they are. These are the types of Shonen anime in which One Punch Man subverts, or parody, if you will.

ryoga316 I have not heard of a single anime you mentioned, so yeah...

***** Lol I said not counting gears, havent got that far yet,

***** I'm not surprised, considering many Anime fans today only know the usual series like One Piece and Naruto, but never heard of others that came before and during, such as Flame of Recca. Others like Samurai Troopers (Ronin Warriors) tend to be popular only during their time, but is often left unknown by today's fans except those who have seen it when it was still new.

Garrett Carter People in One Piece do die. Lots of them. One Piece has a optimistic tone, but it's set in a world where people with power constantly fight for more power. Didn't Digibro show you a video of that happening.

Garrett Carter One piece has many dying in flashback and in a cruel way too. I just dont want someone to die and come back later, thats just bull shit(Dbz did that constantly) And Some times one piece gets too dark(like zeff eats his own leg to survive, law travels under corpses to get out of town after his family being massacred)

Add newlines and create a new paragraph whenever you enter a different object to discuss. By doing that you make it so that people actually decide to read your stuff.

(Apologies for the long comment, but Hunter x Hunter is too good for me to not talk about it extensively, so bear with me). Hunter x Hunter is an amazing series not because it is a deconstruction of the shonen genre (which it isn't), but because it is a well-written celebration of the shonen genre. You can play around with the tropes of a genre and still be a part of that genre, and Hunter x Hunter, at its core, is a shonen action series - not an anti-shonen. One of the most common examples of this supposed "subversion" of expectations that I always see used is the Chimera Ant arc. In the Chimera Ant arc (SPOILERS, of course - go watch Hunter x Hunter if you haven't already, and then come back), a seemingly important character is killed off, there is an apparent tone shift, and the concept of a heroic power-up/transformation is flipped on its head. In regards to the first two, like you said in the video, these aren't examples of subverting Shonen tropes, but rather they are perhaps subversions of the reader's/viewer's expectations, and most good stories must possess the ability to do that. Personally, I was shocked when Kite died, but this isn't the first time that a seemingly important character has died in a Shonen story. Jiraiya's death during the Pain arc in Naruto or Krillin's death in the beginning of the Piccolo Daimo arc are both pre-existing examples of this concept. In fact, the entire Piccolo Daimo arc is similar to the Chimera Ant arc in that the tone of the show shifts, a major character dies to emphasize the sheer power of the foes that our heroes are confronted with, and our protagonist is completely overcome with rage. Dragon Ball may not have gotten to that extreme power-up transformation stage like it later would with the Super Saiyan, but it does use the idea of vengeance/redemption to progress the development of the protagonist much like the Chimera Ant arc does with Gon. The Chimera Ant arc may be incredible in how it presents itself, and it is strengthened more so by how innocent the first few episodes of the show seemed to be, but I think it's safe to say that almost if not every shonen action series does this. When you strip away the artistic flair of the Chimera Ant arc and boil it down to its basic elements, what you are left with is an action-oriented, "save the world" tale with elements of redemption and vengeance thrown into the mix. Even Gon's "reverse Super Saiyan" transformation at the end of the arc has been done before. In Naruto, the whole idea of the Nine-Tailed Fox transformation and its many variations is that Naruto's rage is overwhelming him and turning him into an uncontrollable monster. Heck, Dragon Ball even manages to pull a "reverse Super Saiyan" transformation at the peak of the Cell arc when Gohan ascends to a Super Saiyan 2. His emotions and his newfound power overwhelm him much like they do with Naruto and Gon. What makes Gon's transformation stand out above these other characters, however, is that the buildup to this transformation is so masterfully handled. In the case of Naruto, we know that he is a kind and playfully mischievous boy at heart, but he isn't exactly innocent in the way that Gon is portrayed at the start of Hunter x Hunter. Gohan shares this sense of innocence, but he has several moments where his rage hints at his hidden potential for destruction. And while Hunter x Hunter definitely hints at Gon's hidden power, there is never a moment before the Chimera Ant arc where Gon completely loses his mind. He displays his vast wealth of hidden strength on several occasions, but during these moments, he is always in control of himself and his powers. When Gon finally reaches Pitou, however, he has far surpassed his breaking point. We have had plenty of time to empathize with Gon up to this point, but in the case of Gohan and Naruto, we can't really sympathize with their opponents because, at this point, we only know of them as being treacherous villains. Sure, Pain eventually turns a new leaf, but we as an audience are only shown this after Naruto has already overcome his inner demons. In the case of Hunter x Hunter, we have come to hate Pitou throughout the massive buildup to the final battle, but when Pitou suddenly begins acting in a way that we can sympathize with, we start doubting whether Gon's convictions are entirely justifiable in the grand scheme of things, and this reflects in the way that Gon is framed during these final moments. He doesn't know how to react to these new developments, and neither do we, which is why his transformation hits all the more powerfully when we don't know who we should be siding with. To compare it to the Yorknew arc, Gon and Killua didn't want Kurapika to have to kill anyone, so when Gon inevitably kills Pitou in such a brutal manner, it seems like a complete betrayal to his own character. None of this depth can be expressed by the idea that "Hunter x Hunter is a deconstruction." From this, I want to touch on the tournament at the end of the Hunter Exam arc. This tournament is not a subversion of the shonen tournament arc as a whole, but it is, instead, a subversion of the typical tournament in general. A standard tournament is a single-elimination series of matches where the winner advances and the loser is eliminated, but in the Hunter Exam, the loser advances and the winner earns their Hunter License. This idea may be interesting in its own right, but the way that this concept is integrated into the narrative is what makes it work. Anyone could use this "anti-tournament" concept, but that doesn't inherently make the use of it good or interesting. What makes this concept so effective is that Togashi uses it to give Character B a fighting chance against a Character A who otherwise would have mopped the floor with Character B. Physical strength does not define a fight in this tournament: mental strength does, and Togashi executes that idea brilliantly through Gon's fight against Hanzo. I could talk for weeks about Hunter x Hunter, but I'm not here to write a novel about it. Hopefully this gets my point across, lol. (P.S. That cat is adorable, Digi, although I doubt that you made it this far in the comment if you've even seen it at all.)

xDarkomantis Just make the video already. Jeez. You clearly already have a script. Just voice it, put appropriate background footage, and you've got a bangin' video.

It has the same tone as yoyo hashiko the authors earlier manga with some heroes having the same moralities, in this case because they are demons.

I think what makes Gon's transformation so different and compelling is that he is aware and accepting of it. He goes from an innocent child to a point where he more or less straight up tells a guy that right and wrong are irrelevent since he's stronger and therefore decides the rules.

The interestin thing is saitama longs for a good fight, because he loves the excitement, but is doomed to never have is and because of that he is bored constantly.

He’s just using the elements of the stories that fits his argument, this video is pretty bad actually

To add to what you said, the fights are just visuals and the different mechanics/techniques are not explained explicitly and it can be whatever the author comes up with. If you watch OPM to seriously debate about character fighting ability, then you dont get the idea of anime at all 😂😂

Underrated comment. In some other anime planets are being destroyed and wiped out in seconds but in attack on Titan the rumbling which is basically almost the end of the world is causing fights between fans whether it was the right thing to do or not and you can really understand both sides

that's the entire point of the video

It wasn't in Jump.

Ben Link rekt

+Digibro But didn't you say that was the case also for One punch man? 11:20

Digibro Yeah, but it feels very Shounen to me. Oh well, maybe you could make a video on it in the near future?

Shounen doesnt automatically equal Shounen Jump

I don't know if I want to watch the entire anime to see that part, since if you didn't watch one piece back when it had few episodes it might get hard to get into. But that depends if the show still gets your attention for that long

John Marco Reyes no, he just beats people in one punch because he is stronger than them..

If you realise One punch man biggest subversion is its ending(And isn't it a subversion on super heroes?)

Midori Natsume "Not that there's anything wrong with that!"

Yeah, it's like rice: Some people like it, some people don't, some people eat it their entire life and still love it done.

Midori Natsume I doubt that. There maybe tropes that you like that you can watch for years and years, but I doubt that anyone likes repetitive tropes if they don't like it.

Your Mom It's funny, because Pitou is a boy

In the wiki it said that Pitou was gender neutral, unless Togashi stated otherwise in an interview.

I distinctly remember Neferpitou mentioned to be male while reading the manga before the anime came out. But the anime goes out of its way to give Pitou a more feminine figure.

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AnonEars That's fair since I only read the manga after the Chimera Ant and Election arcs. Androgynous characters aren't anything new in anime/manga and I'm not interested enough in this debacle to look it up so I'll just take your word for it.

There's more to Evangelion than just being a deconstruction. The point of this video, I believe, is to say that a brilliant show is more than just it's subtext.

I think Evangelion is not just a mere deconstruction because the "mecha-genre like fights" are the least important thing about it. I mean they are great, filled with amazing animations and art, and every time they fight they are risking the whole world, but they are just a plot device.

theMoporter It is according to the video Digi linked at the start of this one, since it actually has something to say about the subject matter it tackles. It does also point out that something being deconstruction is just a start of the conversation, not the end of it.

it is, and it was.

Eva is NOT a deconstruction of mecha, but more of a return to form to classic anime that had darker themes - the ending was above all else a reference to Devilman's apocalyptic, depressing finale. It subverts some shitty cliches from what Anno found to be "autistic" (his wording, not mine - his use sounds similar to the 4chan one) 90s otaku anime cliches. The claims of Eva being a deconstruction of mecha come from judging the mecha genre based on shitty babified 70s versions of Go Nagai properties - not the original manga versions (Getter Robo in particular was always very dark and bizarre) and while ignoring Gundam, which did moral shades of grey and "what if a teenager REALLY had to pilot a mecha" in freaking 1979. Anno didn't hate anime & manga in the 90s. He just hated modern anime & manga.

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LJK401 WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU HERE?!

Andrew Rogers Hello fellow RWBY HATR.

Andrew Rogers Not the hugest fan of Digi at times, but when he makes a good video, he makes a good video.

LJK401 Huh, you did call him cancer at one point.

I am so sick of those and I want them to die... People are just trying to replicate the success of KLK and PMMM without any of the effort that made those shows so phenomenal. Also Princess Tutu, Pretear, and Revolutionary Girl Utena were darker, more sophisticated shoujo shows so it's not even true to say that the genre by itself is saccharine. So that means that simply making the one darker doesn't make something a deconstruction. I'm not sure if it's Digi or some other KZfaqr who pointed this out in a video about how PMMM is not really a deconstruction so much as it's a straight magical girl show with a tragic tone, which had been done before. It still has a happy ending, after all.

Sailor moon had the world end after one season, and had basically the same eventual conclusion as pmmm. Not to mention Revolutionary girl utena. Magical girl shows were always gritty shit.

DJ - D20 After Shaman King Flowers, I'd rather it stay dead and buried.

flowers was pretty much the same as shaman king only a generation later and not at all finished how did that make you not like shaman king?

King is fine. Flowers started going down a path that was not interesting in the least. Oh now we have the unknown from the entire series branch family coming and wanting to cause problems for the new protagonist? It was not strong in the slightest. Yeah it isn't done in terms of translations, but it finished in Japan in Oct. 2014, and the fact that we don't see any translations is typically indicative of the lack of interest from translators.

Flowers is not finished in the same sense that the original Shaman King was not finished: it got axed and rushed. The author got the opportunity to go back and redo the ending of the original one, but flowers wasn't really successful at all, so it just ended like that. I don't know about Flowers, since it really wasn't all that interesting at all, but I'd be happy with a SK remake that expanded into the Kang Zeng Bang ending added later.

ρlague In the last arc Jack was taken out without even fighting Luffy

The end of the elecion arc was subversive, and the end of meruem. Hunter x hunter has lots of subversive parts.

goku's super saiyan transformation wasn't a triumph either, goku changes into a completely different person, enjoying the suffering of his oponent and telling his own son he is going to kill him if he doesn't leave to get revenge on frezzer, lets not forget goku doesn't get a happy ending at the end of that arc, namek explodes and goku aparently dies being a tragic ending where goku lose himself in hatred. if your going to tell me "oh well that totally doesn't matter because goku escapes" then i can say that momment doesn't matter because gon is heal up by a deus ex machina in the next arc. Gon transformation is NOT the anti-supersaiyan momment, on the contrary, is the closest recreation to what happened to goku.

@@slifer875 I could be wrong since I've never seen DBZ, but was that too out of character? Wasn't he always brutal, and I know at least one of those characters were an awful husband and father. So maybe the contrast is that Gon is so bright eyed and goes onto hurt the person he loves most (Killua) and completely lose himself, to compare to Goku who as far as I know, was always brutal and looking to pummel someone. Also, it doesnt matter that Alluka brings Gon back, because the subversion is not that they'd kill the character off, but that he had the ability to be so cruel and mutilate his enemy's body even after their death when we had seen him be so innocent before. (That doesn't mean the progression wasn't natural or even lightly foreshadowed). Please correct me if I'm wrong, but this is just my thoughts on the situation

@@prnklinfierc don't believe the memes, goku wasn't a terrible father, quite the opposite he loves his family. He is a martial artist but he doesn't want to kill his oponents and doesn't take pleasure on inflicting pain or humiliating someone, goku went a head and broke frieza both physically and mentally out of pure anger, the english dub censors and changes many things in the dialogue, in the japanese version he wants frieza to live only to suffer in shame for the rest of his sad existence. The only other time goku got that angry was when a picoloo minion murdered krillin and goku went on a shorth rampage...

I mean, exept for the important pirates they do die.

+That1Weirdo No one dies. Even the worst injuries are shrugged off. Cases like Brownbeard are really stupid.

RexVergstrong Monet would like to have a word with you. So would Vergo. Every single dude touched by Magellan's superpoison. etc.

Oh my god, I forgot about Magellan. What a terrifying villain (when he wasn't on the toilet).

Granetdud Dude, what are you saying? I'd say toilet form is the one most people who knew him would dread to be around almost as much as battle form.