So you are saying that i will soon be able to get a Cadex stand alone receiver and use it with my Eachine Goggles 2 that have a HDMI input and i will then have something similar to the HDMI Goggles? If so this is awesome news. Thanks Mr Bardwell !!!!

Do you know when that is coming out?

I was never slagging you off at all. How ever, off the record you didn't read the memo. but when a company gives you the full specs of their product, how is to blame? surely it must be the one who did not read it.?

Dji is claing soon you won't need a gopro the 03 air unit is that good.

you also said hd zero goggles around 8:50

DJI V2 goggles are selling for $330 now.

@@dangerous8333 because it’s an older system that they are not going to be making after some time. DJI is great but they never tried to include people who didn’t have the budget for their system. It’s good to see that a company is actually trying to allow pilots with a smaller budget to experience digital

@@dangerous8333 Where?

@@_Dimon_eBay refurbished with 2 year warranty from dji. They are essentially brand new

So you are, who i can thank for all the, willam shatner type, commas and breaks, in various media. I salute you, sir.

Glad it was helpful!

I was waiting for him to mention them. You can clearly see them @ 5:23. I use scouts and that is a big plus for me :thumbsup:

The Recon goggles don't mirror the screen, but I appreciate you letting me know about the latency of the Cobra X HDMI input, as that's quite significant.

​@@JoshuaBardwell Yes, you're absolutely right. I made the mistake of repeating something I read on a forum without checking it for myself. Now I slightly disassembled my Cobra X and checked for myself and I can confirm that the image of the Cobra X is also not mirrored. With that in mind the input latency is even harder to explain. In addition, Gal Kremer made a video in which he showed that latency of the Cobra X is also quite high when using the analog receiver (> 30 ms - incl. video link and camera, so better than what I measured but still high). After all, this seems to be a problem with the display panel/controller. Maybe something Skyzone could fix in firmware but I don't have high hopes.

@@mihyouko i'm still using my old cobra x v2, so after reading this is it better to just buy the recon hd rather the vrx for my cobra's? or should i just buy the used dji v1? don't mention the new walksnail google, i'm broke 😂

@@iammostwanted777 So after using the VRX with the Cobra X V2 for a little while (I measured the delay in this configuration to be 70-80 ms) I gave up and ordered the HD Zero Goggles (for the cheaper pre-reaease price). And at least for me (self build Whoop with Meteor 75 Pro frame mostly flying around a playground as an obstacle) the difference is quite significant. There's other pilots that feel fine with this combination but at least for close proximity whooping I really feel the difference. Unfortunately, it seems that the additional delay is a problem with all box style goggles (because of the displays they have to use - no display manufacturer will custom config anything for so few displays the goggle manufacturers need). So I don't think the Recon HDs will be much better. Unfortunately, it seems that nobody tested latency on them. I guess it depend's on your flying style. For cruising, the Cobra X V2s with the WS VRX can be fine. But for everything quicker - at least for me - it's distracting. But if you want low latency, I guess any kind of Box Goggle will be problematic, but I'm not sure, as nobody tested the HD versions, as far as I know.

​@@mihyouko yeah the problem is, there's only a few review for the recon hd, i don't even know the true latency is. So it's better to buy the used dji V1 with analog module rather than using my old cobra with vrx or using recon hd? i will just use it for like 6 month to 1 year and then bought the WS googles X, thats my plan before. Also, why i don't use hdzero. cuz there's no shop selling them in my country, and if ordered it directly the tax in my country would be 2x the price, i fly 5" and tinywhoop.

Cobra Xs aren’t that good. Not even as good as the Scouts.

@@ramus9 i like them personally

@@ramus9 Why do you prefer the Scouts to the Cobra X? After my Scouts started to act funny (they powered down randomly even with a fully charged battery) and my Fatshark Transformers just died before that, I decided I would switch to the Cobra X. And all in all I really prefer them to the Scout. They have better reception, I prefer the image quality and they have an HDMI in. The only downside is the considerable input lag (see my other comment), but it's possible that the Scouts are comparable there as well (I'm planning to channel my inner Rosser and measure this soon).

How do you like the cobra x walksnail vrx?

I mean… I don’t wanna be a d*ck about it, but I heard some great advice in here about combining the cobra x with a VRX that I don’t remember hearing in the reviews of the HDzero module. So unless I’m mistaken on that, it’s just a bit of shame, really…

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with the Cobra X reference. Every single time I have talked about HDZero, I have said that it's a great value proposition if you already own analog goggles with HDMI input. I have always pointed out that the ability to pair HDZero with the analog goggles of your choice is one of the advantages of that system. The reason I specifically call out the Cobra X here is because the existing Walksnail goggles have zero support for analog or HDMI input, so the ability to solve that problem by going with a different box goggle is worth mentioning, and the Cobra X are the least expensive box goggle with sufficient resolution and HDMI input to support the system. You 100% can also use the Cobra X with HDZero, and if anybody asked, what's the cheapest goggle I can buy to use with HDZero, I would also suggest the Cobra X.

@@JoshuaBardwell I guess my point is that that piece of advice was missing from other reviews. And as a bit of an HDzero fanboy, that kinda bugs me a little. I guess I just wish (stuff like) that piece of advice would’ve popped up earlier in (HDzero) videos about digital systems before talks of the Walksnail module. That setup is cheaper then DJI v2 was for a long time. Yet you usually did the math comparing costs with different goggles, making it pretty much even on price. A setup for anyone coming into the hobby. Let alone for a lot of people that already had compatible goggles, but you only put that “unless” caveat in later. Now I’m not claiming anything shady is going one, I don’t think it’s even a purposeful thing or anything like that. You’ll have to excuse the forwardness, but all in all it does make me feel like your personal preference is shining through. I know I’m knitpicking, but that perception on our side might be why you sometimes feel like you’re walking on eggshells with HDzero fanboys 😉 Apart from that, great review, looking forward to more goggle reviews in the near future! 😉

Can you show me where I did the math comparing costs of different goggles and unfairly disadvantaged HDZero by using expensive analog goggles instead of cheaper ones? I have talked about these systems a lot so it's hard to know exactly what you're referring to. In general, I think I say that HDZero is "about on par" with DJI in terms of the cost of vTX and camera, and "cheaper if you already own a set of analog goggles, but about on par if you have to buy a new set of analog goggles." Consider: DJI goggles alone cost about $550 to $570 for a long time. $250 for Cobra X plus $240 for HDZero vRX plus another $50-$100-ish in antennas yeah -- that's "about the same". HDZero is even more expensive if you assume somebody is buying $500-$600 HDO2 or Orqa. But, bottom line, I'm not willing to engage with your vague sense that I have a bias and have been unfair to the system. Give me a specific video where I said a specific thing, and we can discuss it.

@@JoshuaBardwell The most specific thing I can think of is that when you do these calculation, you always start assuming that one has no goggles at all, (or at least none that would take a HDMI), do the calculation, point out how that stacks up, and only after 5-10 minutes in hindsight caveat it with "unless you already have...", just like in your previous comment. I'd argue that that paints a picture that DJI is on par or cheaper, 'unless' you're the exception from the assumptions made. The thing is every single pilot I've met and/or seen fly in person over the past few years has goggles that accept HDMI except for two. So I'd argue that the assumption of no (HDMI-compatible) gear is not entirely fair as most do already own a compatible set of goggles. It only took me 3 months to upgrade my goggles to one when I started. If you take that into account that would significantly changes the outcome of the calculation. Now, I realise that you can't do the calculation as a one-size-fits-all, but I do think it would've painted a fairer and more complete picture if the takeaway would've been along the lines of: "getting into digital FPV is about 300 bucks plus VTX unless you're pretty fresh in the hobby. In that case, DJI might be cheaper as a first step, plus DJI has a number of other advantages depending on what and how you wanna fly". Neither version would necessarily be unfair I think. We each have our preferences and that's fine, and I do get and appreciate the starting-from-scratch approach. But I'd argue the nuance in this version of the takeaway would do both systems a little bit more justice. Funnily enough I did see that nuance more in this particular video, so that's a plus! Keeping that perspective in mind, getting into digital FPV has been around 300 or less for a lot of people for quite a while now, and I perceived the title of this video to again also gloss over that perspective a little bit. So I guess that's what triggered me to comment in this case. I'll happily admit that it is indeed a vague sense that I'm trying to convey. But it is how I perceived it. Only trying to point out that your personal preference can come across in unintended and/or nuanced ways, and if it does I believe you'd rather be told about it than not because you do intend to be as fair as possible. Again: this is extreme nitpicking, I don't think you've treated anything or anyone unfairly. Love your content, and especially given the latest news from e-max, I can't wait for the upcoming goggle reviews 😉!

Great idea! Upload at 60 fps at half the speed, then we play it at 2x.

Anyone?

Only works with 1 proprietary vtx my analog goggles work with any analog vtx no binding etc plus any camera

Same for me, box goggles offers a way better visual comfort.

I bought one hd recon from getfpv . It never occured to me about the analog

@@gregorydahl How did it end up for you? Any cons? How's the latency compared to analog?

Hard to judge with it being winter, they don't fog up.

Are they the version 2's? I've been thinking about buying them as an analog with an HD upgrade path for when i'm ready, but i heard bad things about the battery life on the version 1's. What battery do you use? I only fly whoops so i dont have a way to charge anything except 1s. I dont want to invest in a charger for bigger batteries just to power goggles, but an 18650 charger isn't a big deal. So i'm very interested in the battery life of the internal 18650 or one of those dual 18650 packs you can buy.

@@rustumlaattoe yes V2, internal 1s 18650 last over an hour Great for micros.

@@gmivisualsjason3729 Fantastic. Thank you for the quick reply. These just moved to the top of my purchase list 😁

I confirm the 18650 battery last about 90 minutes (if using a good quality Panasonic 18650 battery) because i wear the cobra X when practicing on Velocidrone and DRL simulators.

Small market means no economy of scale. Also, Facebook sells the Quest 2 at a massive loss.

@@JoshuaBardwell it might be that they sell at a loss. Economy of scale is still a question for me. Aren't there more fpv googles sold than Quest2s?

You should use the Pixel Count and not the width it's about half way between them.

@@jjjannes Yeah, you're propably right. I've just realized it

Not sure I understand. The dominators definitely have a fan.

@@JoshuaBardwell i did not know that, from images they dont look to have one, is it tugged away inside?

Actually I rendered in 100 fps but I didn't realize that YT can't display over 60 fps. KZfaq changed the framerate to 50 fps.

HD means digital. DIgital is Walksnail, DJI, and HDZero.

Bro. There are endless FPV videos on KZfaq where they talk about different quads to buy and all the benefits. Do you really think Josh has the time to answer everyone's direct question like this? Everything you're asking is part of the process of getting into FPV, not just flying in a simulator. Time to start doing research on quads and parts.

@@dangerous8333 anyone with suggestions is welcome, i have been researching and looked most at rekon 4 fr and lr, flywoo explorer, chimera 4 and crocodile baby. i just dont know what goggles to match with for digital and analog.

Sub250g for 1.5 km I suggest the Flywoo Explorer 4". If you also want freestyle and racing, GEPRC Smart35.

@@JoshuaBardwell You are a legend, thanks for the reply and amazing educational videos

I started with a Mambo Ethix with an ERS module, Skyzone 04x, a mobula 6, and a Darwin FPV baby ape. Mangled a couple mobula frames, and started to get good and learn about repairing and batteries and stuff. If you have the means, coming from a recent newbie, don’t buy a super nice quad at first. You *will* break it, and if it’s too nice, you’ll feel bad about it. And then you won’t want to go flying because you’re so worried about breaking your fancy quad again. Buy a basher. Power loop it into a wall, rip the frame in half, laugh about it, and rebuild it or get a new one. Only buy a nice quad when you’re really confident with real flying. The sim is really great, but it’s no substitute for all the weird crap that happens in meat space. Just my opinion. Glad to see another new pilot!

I exported in 100fps like the walksnail DVR but youtube can't handle it.

Hdzero goggles.

Cobra x are way better I think that's what I been using for a long time

There are product links in the description below the video.

You can to use the same antennas on both HD and analog systems as long as the polarization is the same on both the goggles and video transmitter. Keep in mind the DJI and Walksnail (not sure about HD Zero) systems come with left hand polarized antennas.

The digital systems ship with LH polarized antennas. If you switch all your vTX to RH antennas, then you could use the same RH antennas you used on your analog goggles.

@@JoshuaBardwell As for the upcoming Walksnail VRX, I guess this won't be possible as I expect the 2 integrated patch antennas are LHCP too (specs seem to only list the replaceable antennas)

Because 60hz vs 100hz mode.

but it has huge latency

No it has no inputs at all.