Star Wars Jedi Survivor - DF Tech Review - PS5 vs Xbox Series X/S

Star Wars Jedi Survivor - DF Tech Review - PS5 vs Xbox Series X/S - Ambitious But Compromised

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Respawn goes hell for leather in delivering a Star Wars Jedi console game worthy of full current-gen status, with stunning levels of ambition in terms of visual design, fully embracing ray tracing lighting and embellishing the game with lavish detail. Performance and resolution suffers as a result, meaning that the 30fps resolution mode gives more consistent results and better image quality. PS5 and Xbox Series X get the premium experience, so where does that leave Series S?
Note: This review is based on launch day code and patches are forthcoming imminently, according to Respawn.
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00:00 Overview
00:51 Visual features and analysis
08:16 Series X and PS5 performance
11:56 Series S performance
13:43 Conclusion

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@nathanmerritt1581 Жыл бұрын

This mentality of releasing broken games and then patching them later is a total blight to modern gaming!

@joshuaDstarks Жыл бұрын

And they ask $70 for it to boot. It’s highway robbery.

@amnril Жыл бұрын

Especially annoying to physical copy collecting gamers

@Jasonsadventures Жыл бұрын

@@amnril Yes and I can't decide if it's more annoying to have a broken game in your disc for all time.. or in this case no broken game on your disc for all time........ lol

@excellins Жыл бұрын

day one buyers are the ones who suffer this. since y'all don't want to learn continue to beta test the game for everyone else.

@joshuaDstarks Жыл бұрын

@@excellins no, everyone suffers. The entire culture suffers…some just pay top dollar for it.

@itsd0nk Жыл бұрын

This game looks stunning! I can’t wait to play it in 2 years when it’s finished.

@justsealy Жыл бұрын

Same

@Threetri333 Жыл бұрын

And at a discount!

@marco.pereira Жыл бұрын

ditto!

@TM-fj9fv Жыл бұрын

I just now almost finished the first level on ps5. I will have to put it down till it’s patched. The LOD is atrocious, pop in… there was some fire in the level and it honestly looked like ps2/ps3 level of detail. Hopefully, in the next month it’ll get fixed.

@randalldraco3822 Жыл бұрын

no it is not looking stunning

@Poptartsicles Жыл бұрын

Not being able to turn off RT when it can't hit its performance target in either mode is just criminal

@Daniel-yz3zf Жыл бұрын

Exactly, especially in this generation where graphical options are (finally) becoming more commonly seen in console releases. Just give customers more options dammit!

@seizonsha Жыл бұрын

Most console gamers don't care they just want it to look pretty.

@BenoHourglass Жыл бұрын

The game apparently is only really utilizing 2 cores if the PC review is anything to go by. So turning off RT would probably have a negligible performance improvement.

@corruptedpoison1 Жыл бұрын

@@seizonsha Can't get pretty and good performance on a $500 console.

@mrpiratefox4497 Жыл бұрын

@@corruptedpoison1 yes you fucking can lmao

@ayachytarak8924 Жыл бұрын

seeing 648p for a ps5 game is truly unbelievable

@matjakobs8612 Жыл бұрын

Its ridiculous

@yomamasohot6411 Жыл бұрын

Current-gen consoles support RT. Doesn't mean they are good at it.

@xandypunk7350 Жыл бұрын

@Jasonsadventures Жыл бұрын

Doesn't need to drop much more and I can live the arcade dream on my CRT

@germansherman7707 Жыл бұрын

useless and pathetic ray tracing feature again

@SOTVT Жыл бұрын

Maybe the upcoming patch will improve performance in both modes by lowering the resolution even further..😅 "Now running at a locked 60fps 200p"

@nuruddinpeters9491 Жыл бұрын

Lol... big yikes

@randalldraco3822 Жыл бұрын

Reconstructed to 4k, it's 4k XD

@mikaelkarlsson8969 Жыл бұрын

The skillfull developer probably left when EA stepped in 2017 and this is the result when they hire bluehaired he/SHIM millennium girls that are more intrested of talking rainbows and female rights than coding video games..

@lukemorris9066 Жыл бұрын

All good ... maybe you can go out and spend 3,000 on a pc and get 720p/50fps :)

@SakuraAvalon Жыл бұрын

@@lukemorris9066 If you're spending that much on a PC that anemic, boy do I have a bridge to sell you. :)

@sade1212 Жыл бұрын

I'm sure it'll look fantastic when it can run properly in five years

@Uknown76 Жыл бұрын

In 5 years it'll be outdated by games on unreal engine 5 tho

@SOTVT Жыл бұрын

Well, that's optimistic😅

@ajdaniel8128 Жыл бұрын

The game already looks graphically outdated compared to current PS5 exclusives. It will look even more outdated when Wolverine and Spiderman 2 releases

@huawafabe Жыл бұрын

@@ajdaniel8128 how does this game look outdated? It looks wonderful

@ajdaniel8128 Жыл бұрын

@@huawafabe It looks good but not really impressive

@larskristiangjertsen2582 Жыл бұрын

The force should have been stronger with this one.

@agevenisse3252 Жыл бұрын

The FSR is strong with this one, though. ;)

@joshuaDstarks Жыл бұрын

The Force has been creatively bankrupt for a hot minute.

@Vegan_Ape_2018 Жыл бұрын

@@joshuaDstarksI mean, it was never really that creative.

@drummer7557 Жыл бұрын

Do or Do not there is no try (Yoda) ......"Concentrate to much on new technology you do" Yoda tells developers (THAT is why you fail)

@MadCisco Жыл бұрын

The force is strong 💪 it the performance is the problem 😢

@Captainrave Жыл бұрын

It even stutters with VRR. Excellent game, shocking performance.

@OneLastScholar 11 ай бұрын

Somehow reviewers excused this lazy job and awarded this game a high Metacritic score. All is well for EA...

@ka7al958 Жыл бұрын

Even though i hate SSR, i would take that over a slow and blurry raytraced alternative.

@HazyJ28 Жыл бұрын

IMO Planar reflections can look just as good as Ray Traced Reflections (I'm not talking full path tracing), yet, the Planar technique is fully rasterized just like SSR, so it'll be faster than RT and compatible for those without RT hardware. It avoids the SSR pitfalls by still reflecting that which is out of player view. They should have gone this route instead of RT or SSR, maybe.

@ggmgoodgamingmichael7706 Жыл бұрын

@@HazyJ28 YES 🤓

@crestofhonor2349 Жыл бұрын

@@HazyJ28 Although the downside of planar reflections is that they are more expensive than SSR so it's somewhere in between SSR and RT Reflections in performance. Not sure why most games doon't use planar but there has to be some reason

@Rebelscum264 Жыл бұрын

I’d take cube maps over SSR. I’d take nothing over SSR. I hate it

@gleam6370 Жыл бұрын

I will never understand the need for raytraced reflections considering it’s huge performance impact

@AriaLaurel Жыл бұрын

Seeing 5 shots in a row where I couldn’t even tell the difference between RT GI on and off with a narration saying how gamechanging the difference is was wild.

@DeeJay_OTU Жыл бұрын

Some GI implementions are good enough without RT. I feel like it's not worth the performance hit on mid-tier systems.

@ashishbarthwal6961 Жыл бұрын

Agreed, honestly, after seeing path-tracing on cyberpunk, every other rt implementation looks half-ass and not worth it in comparison

@alexartiles9756 Жыл бұрын

true

@PursuedByAMemory Жыл бұрын

Yeah the RT in this game is really not worth the poor image quality and poor performance on the consoles. The image quality in particular is staggeringly poor.

@SJokes Жыл бұрын

Yeah I'm gonna be honest, the trade off of RT for better performance is well worth it. Only RT reflections really makes a significant difference

@seands Жыл бұрын

Give us an option to turn off Ray Tracing like PC players have and thatll make a huge difference when it comes to performance issues on consoles

@Uknown76 Жыл бұрын

I dunno Chief I mean I agree but even on PC with Ray tracing off it doesn't really improve performance maybe by 4-5 frames

@seands Жыл бұрын

@@Uknown76 a patch + the option hopefully can makea difference

@imo098765 Жыл бұрын

@@Uknown76 yeah would make a difference, you dropping to 55fps, thats a stable 60fps dropping to 45fps, thats 50fps Still shit but its in VRR range and far less noticeable

@Uknown76 Жыл бұрын

@@imo098765 lemme rephrase I agree with you there no reason we shouldn't have an option to disable ray tracing but in reality the game is is such a horrendous state I don't think it's gotta get patched in a timely matter something is clearly wrong with the game engine

@simonrockstream Жыл бұрын

No it wont.

@zechariahpalie1435 Жыл бұрын

Who the fuck thought performance mode with forced ray tracing was a good idea?

@sersomeone9704 Жыл бұрын

This looks very promising, thank you to all beta testers

@aashilr Жыл бұрын

Pretty neat beta, looking forward to grabbing it on discount in 2 years once the issues are fixed!

@elkmeatenjoyer3409 Жыл бұрын

Give it one year before it"s 50%

@matosz23 Жыл бұрын

@@elkmeatenjoyer3409 It will probably be lower than that on black friday 2023.

@winj3r Жыл бұрын

The issue with the upscaling is that they are still using FSR2.0, instead of FSR 2.2

@Benevolent_Dic Жыл бұрын

It's not that, there using performance or balanced mode of fsr for upscaling, not quality or ultra quality. Fsr 2.2 looks like a blurry mess on performance mode.

@winj3r Жыл бұрын

@@Benevolent_Dic If you run commands on the PC version you can confirm it is using FSR 2.0, not FSR 2.2

@Benevolent_Dic Жыл бұрын

@@winj3r I'm talking about console using balanced or performance mode of fsr. Update 2.2 won't make a difference.

@khaled8671 Жыл бұрын

@@Benevolent_Dicfsr 2 doesn’t have ultra quality !!

@Benevolent_Dic Жыл бұрын

@khaled my mistake, I mean ultra performance. I'm using dlss so don't know much about fsr but I'm pretty sure consoles are using performance or ultra performance. Hopefully switch 2 will have dlss 2 and maybe dlss 3 implementation.

@captiosus9753 Жыл бұрын

30 fps that regularly drops down into the mid-20s and has copious screen tearing is a “premium experience”? I guess we have a fundamental disagreement on the definition of premium.

@LiquidSpartan117 Жыл бұрын

Still, game looks freaking incredible.

@honkabonka3548 Жыл бұрын

true

@SweetFlexZ Жыл бұрын

@@LiquidSpartan117 As a PC player, It's smarter to have more frames that better graphics, and mostly because it is clear that consoles can't handle this game at that graphics, 20fps at less than 1080P ... just sad.

@godfreake Жыл бұрын

@@SweetFlexZ PC can barely handle the game at all so that's "just sad" as well

@imo098765 Жыл бұрын

@@godfreake but can handle it, this is unacceptable for a console

@tobemarsk Жыл бұрын

Ray tracing isn't worth the performance loss.

@crestofhonor2349 Жыл бұрын

Not in this game it isn't. It's too heavy. Looks nice but needs some visual fixes and really needs performance fixes

@Narkissos_1 Жыл бұрын

🙏 tell em

@tobemarsk Жыл бұрын

@@crestofhonor2349 In any game its not worth it in my opinion, I have a 3080ti and will always perfer a higher framerate to ray tracing. Ray tracing titles such as portal RTX and minecraft are impressive though.

@kenroyforrester156 Жыл бұрын

@@crestofhonor2349 ray tracing is a scam get over it

@corruptedpoison1 Жыл бұрын

On a $500 console it certainly isn't. RT will probably become a feature only used on PC since its obvious these consoles can't handle it.

@adrian09166 Жыл бұрын

This is why I'm glad I'm a patient gamer, I'll just wait a year from now to play the best version of this game.

@jbscotchman Жыл бұрын

Same. After Cyberpunk 2077 I'm not buying games on day one anymore.

@stevenbaksh5545 Жыл бұрын

And plus a patient gamer will hopefully get the game at a reduced price

@BBWahoo Жыл бұрын

Same, hope we get a 4080ti by then

@bradhaines3142 Жыл бұрын

i refuse to buy games for more than half price. they're just not worth 60 or 70$ to me. i have better things to waste money on

@DS9TREK Жыл бұрын

But you'll be spoiled by then.

@HeisenbergFam Жыл бұрын

only 4 months in and companies are competing in terms of releasing unoptimized game with PC port

@felipelcavalcante5559 Жыл бұрын

I was a PC gamer but left the platform after the terrible launch of Arkham Knight. Since then nothing has changed, every time a AAA game comes out it's a nightmare.

@nitehawk-cg6jb Жыл бұрын

They should give us the option to turn off ray tracing in performance mode on consoles. I really don't care about it. I want better performance !

@positivevibesrfc Жыл бұрын

Same.

@TGravy-wp4rc Жыл бұрын

Makes little to no sense to me except for stubborn creatives ok the dev team not wanting to remove ray tracing? I donno because there's no way QA didn't point that out before release..

@Tarets Жыл бұрын

@Lee Stop with this nonsense comparison. The only RT feature that Spiderman has are reflections. Jedi Survivor should have a toggle, but don't compare apples to oranges.

@AndyGilleand Жыл бұрын

Man those comparisons to Fallen Order are incredible just how much higher level of detail the new game has. No wonder the CPU gets hit so hard (by that I mean frame time, not thread utilization)

@jordanrogers9327 Жыл бұрын

Man, I played performance on the Series X and I had a worse experience than what you showed. Any open world environment dropped frames like they were hot. Massive dips and stutters. Really hope they can fix it because the core gameplay is really fun.

@frozenninja4030 Жыл бұрын

Same here. I couldn't believe how stuttery and uneven the framerate was.

@hotshot940 Жыл бұрын

Same

@johnmiceter Жыл бұрын

I wonder if it would be as bad if you got a TV that supports VRR?

@antonego9581 Жыл бұрын

ive just been playing on quality mode. its surprisingly playable, at this point i barely think about the 30 fps. and it looks absolutely stunning, the best graphics of any video game like this ive played to date

@datruth4766 Жыл бұрын

Weird that every other publication comparison says PS5 is in much better shape than Series X, but Digital Foundry doesn't see a difference. 🤔 Using the term "publication" loosely.

@andres3rux42 Жыл бұрын

Jesus dude, Nvidia must be showering Digital Foundry with money to talk so much and passionately about ray tracing. The performance hit on that fucking trash is not worth it at all.

@Squishmallows24 Жыл бұрын

648 to 864!? Wtf!!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I swear we’re going backwards. Can’t wait to play games on the ps7 at 240p resolution 😂

@user-jx5xq8hu9e 3 ай бұрын

this is so crazy, back to ps3 standarts . Welcome to 2024 gaming, experience master class visuals at 648p with stuttery 30 fps wand dips to 20s. But you should be grateful. They gave us Ray Tracing . So dont complain

@YOG3NSHA Жыл бұрын

Why are we chasing RayTracing so hard, that our games need to run at 720p to get decent performance? The industry needs to re-evaluate.

@SilverEye91 Жыл бұрын

A low internal resolution would be fine with a proper DLSS or good FSR integration. Sadly DLSS is exclusive to Nvidia cards and the consoles run on AMD cards. And even on PC EA didn't include DLSS, probably because AMD paid them. Plus, you know, Nvidia fucking suck so they've locked frame generation behind the 40 series even if it works on the older RTX cards as well.

@Dawdo-wf1xs Жыл бұрын

Wish there was an option to disable RT on console. The ps5 and sx cpus just can't handle this much RT while maintaining 60 fps. Even with brutal upscaling this just doesn't cut it.

@benchandler7007 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I'm surprised this isn't a toggle option. Overly ambitious to try and be "the best looking console game so far" it seems. Would gladly turn off those features for a smooth experience.

@tomwebb7091 Жыл бұрын

Yeah 30fps stinks. Especially at 900p on a 4k screen 🙈 Oh and even furthermore if its an Oled with 0.1ms g2g response.

@minners71 Жыл бұрын

And yet look at spidermans RT 60FPS mode. Guess we know where the talent is.

@khalilbarred17 Жыл бұрын

Yes they did it in spiderman .. its a lack of devs work

@Tarets Жыл бұрын

@@minners71 I like Spiderman, but of doesn't get close to this level of details.

@dreamsofgrandeur Жыл бұрын

It's wild that Rift Apart released 2 years ago now, and still nobody else (to my knowledge) has achieved anything close to the same level of RT performance. We're still stuck with games like this, that want all the pretties but don't have the optimization needed for it.

@SomeUnkindledAsh Жыл бұрын

Yeah, Rift Apart is kinda crazy looking. I booted it up a couple weeks ago just to look at it, and it kinda blew my mind.

@peterGchaves Жыл бұрын

Insomniac are just godlike programmers, unfair to compare any other studio with them. I have zero doubts they'll even raise the bar way more with Spider-Man 2.

@erikludwig5515 Жыл бұрын

It’s too bad Rift Apart didn’t come with a game. But hot damn is it pretty.

@instantstupor Жыл бұрын

@@erikludwig5515 ?

@FlameHAZE2010 Жыл бұрын

@@instantstupor yeah, I'm curious what he meant as well.

@ActNasty5 Жыл бұрын

Idk how everyone can keep praising how “good” it looks when it’s dithered to hell and back. I see the potential for sure but as of now it definitely doesnt look great.

@p0k314COM Жыл бұрын

648p in 2023 = the "power" of consoles, the "pro" devs. Amiga "hires" games from 1995. This is madhouse.

@davidandrew6855 Жыл бұрын

I would not judge the consoles on *this* game.

@p0k314COM Жыл бұрын

@@davidandrew6855 Similar situation with Elden Ring: 30-35 fps in most locations.

@davidandrew6855 Жыл бұрын

@@p0k314COM Again, would not use Elden Ring to judge these consoles, as it is a cross-platform game and FromSoftware as not fixed their improper frame pacing in over a decade. There are reasons to say PS5 and Series X are not _that_ powerful, these two games are certainly not 2 of them.

@p0k314COM Жыл бұрын

@@davidandrew6855 Ye, ye. No Elder Ring, no Star Wars Jedi. This is bad optymized, there is other case. Always some problems. What a bad luck.

@davidandrew6855 Жыл бұрын

@@p0k314COM What can we say, you picked two extremely bad examples of games to gauge the power of the consoles. How about the newest version of GT7 for PS5 with 120fps mode? Hitman 3 which runs really well on both? There are good and bad examples of performance, not all bad ones mean the hardware is the issue.

@vanman266 Жыл бұрын

Developers have lost their minds with the decision to implement ray tracing gimmicks at any cost.

@GraveUypo Жыл бұрын

maybe there's a certain company desperate to sell it that is per$uading them

@selectjed1 Жыл бұрын

How is it a gimmick?

@vanman266 Жыл бұрын

@@selectjed1 it's hyped up beyond belief to sell graphics cards but improvement to image quality is marginal at best and come at a unjustifiable cost to performance. There is simply no justification for pushing ray tracing with current technology. Put it in the same box as 3D TV!

@cmdr101z8 Жыл бұрын

@@vanman266 Games like Rift Apart and Spider-Man have beautifully implemented RT, and Metro Exodus has RT GI at 60fps with good upscaling. It’s possible to do it right

@jamrah8713 Жыл бұрын

@@cmdr101z8 it is possible, but respawn clearly compromised with their RT solution at the cost of horrible performance and artifacting. If they knew it would be like this they should’ve ditched it and patched it in later. Hopefully this is fixed in a patch but I’m not happy

@focabox5594 Жыл бұрын

I get frustrated when I see 500 dollars consoles with games with bad performance like this. But imagine those who paid way more for a PC, which is the platform this game performs worse. MASTER RACE!!!

@SilverEye91 Жыл бұрын

Why do you have to fight? Platform wars are fucking pathetic.

@JuggaloDundee Жыл бұрын

I feel like you were way too kind with this review and undersold just how bad the artifacting, resolution and motion blur issues are. I'm playing it on PS5 and it's a mess no matter what mode and effects are on.

@randydonovan7844 Жыл бұрын

Completely agree. Thought he gave it wayyy to much praise in the beginning.

@mikaelkarlsson8969 Жыл бұрын

I think he is holding back. If he would say what he really think at home when playing the game he would go full mental rampage.

@eSKAone- Жыл бұрын

I'll give them time to polish, and in 6 months I'll give them 50% less money for the finished product 💟

@deathdoor Жыл бұрын

I believed that when FSR2 would start being used on consoles it would be always at the Quality present just to give a little boost to performance to help developers optimize. I was wrong.

@sharpkatana1178 Жыл бұрын

Yet again no mention of the HDR issue.

@dangroesbeck7615 Жыл бұрын

I feel like DF has been missing some obvious issues lately. RE4 Remake has major texture streaming issues especially on XSX, but it was never addressed. Also I feel like this video wasted a lot of time just gushing about the lighting... Didn't really help me to decide which console to buy this game on at all.

@Lackooo84 Жыл бұрын

They still haven't fully fixed Fallen Order until this day... so what do we expect from them??

@sunderwire Жыл бұрын

What’s wrong with fallen order? I played it a few weeks ago and it was great, just some minor frame drops here and there but mostly consistent 60 FPS

@Lackooo84 Жыл бұрын

@@sunderwire "just" a few "minor" drops yeah, plus "just" a few "minor" cutscene lagging here and there, they ported the same bugs which are in the PS4 version... :D (bonus terrible checkpoint system)

@ardasevmis7583 Жыл бұрын

Fallen order only has very minor stutters when game is loading new areas. No frame drops

@sunderwire Жыл бұрын

@@Lackooo84 minor as in from 60 fps to like 50 fps lol, and i never experienced any bugs

@zackariasevertson7733 Жыл бұрын

@@sunderwire 60 to 50fps is not minor

@floatinggoose9197 Жыл бұрын

Remember when these consoles launched with the advertisements "4K, 120HZ, RAYTRACING" Well, you can have one of those and half of the other two..... maybe.

@Ed-qv2qd Жыл бұрын

I never interpreted any of the advertising for these consoles as indicating games would run at 4k, 120 fps with raytracing on. 🤷🏼🤷🏼

@Narkissos_1 Жыл бұрын

8K gaming

@floatinggoose9197 Жыл бұрын

@Ed-qv2qd Maybe when you have a brain. But when you are a casual consumer, who watches marketing, or even reads the box (PS5 literally says these claims on box) I think xbox does too, then no. You might think your ate getting a high end PC. Meanwhile my COREi9 and RTX 2060 has a hard time running games that the consoles do, so they ARE good value. Just NO games run at 4k/120, or even 4k/60. It's 4k/30, most of the time. Or 1080-1440 at 100-120FPS And raytracing tanks performance AND resolution

@jamezxh Жыл бұрын

Lol . 8k on the Sony box. Maybe pong at 8k.

@iedutul1 Жыл бұрын

684p on PS5 ???????????? What the actual fuck

@Jedi_Luke Жыл бұрын

I'm really enjoying the game. Other than a few low frame rate spots here and there, it's an absolute blast to play. It's a shame that quality mode is more stable than performance mode.

@horrorjunkie96 Жыл бұрын

2:26 ray tracing is a revelation here

@LeeringDeer Жыл бұрын

I'm really surprised that the results for the 30fps resolution mode came in as stable as they did; playing it on PS5 I feel like resolution mode is prone to constant stuttering, particularly when moving the camera (i.e. all the time)

@crestwood2618 Жыл бұрын

I tried playing this for the 2nd time today and had to put it down again. The frame rate was still awful on ps5. Such a shame.

@imeanleafeon Жыл бұрын

Would love for you guys to talk about HDR more in your reviews. Did such a great job a while ago with RDR2 for example. Curious why that coverage hasnt been happening, especially with how buggy the HDR is in Jedi Survivor specifically.

@waynosdaboss Жыл бұрын

This!

@tylervincent2559 Жыл бұрын

HDR for me turns the image almost entirely black with a few highlights.

@leanlifter1 Жыл бұрын

HDR has been the best advancement lately not Ray tracing, fake frames or higher resolution monitors/tvs. Imo. Heck even 4080 can't lock Hogwarts legacy to 60fps mins @ 4k ultra when raytracing slows things down lol. Just a pathetic guise to get people to overspend on way more hardware than they really need. Raytracing is still an entire console generation away for most gamers unless they like PS4 performance on their modern gaming PC.

@CheckmateStallioN Жыл бұрын

HDR is not even noticeable compared to SDR. The colors look identical just the whites are brighter but thats about it. Not sure all this hype for HDR

@tylervincent2559 Жыл бұрын

@L393ndary22 if hdr is implemented correctly it can be a game changer

@HeavyMetalCowboy90 Жыл бұрын

They need a Balanced mode with 40hz. It’s the best way to play on PS5 in my opinion. Loving it in Forbidden West.

@Actualchristianity Жыл бұрын

Agreed. I love that mode. Sweet spot for me.

@AntiBellum Жыл бұрын

I didn’t know Forbidden West had a 40hz mode, that’s dope! 40hz is great on the steam deck and I hope we start seeing quality modes hit 40fps rather than 30fps soon

@TylorSweeney Жыл бұрын

@@AntiBellum Forbidden West is the first Sony game that doesn't automatically enter the 40fps mode when you're using a 120hz display. Instead you have to go into the settings and toggle the Visual mode to "Balanced." Other games like God of War Ragnarok, Spider-man, Ratchet, etc. all automatically toggle the 40fps mode when the game is set to Quality mode and the output display supports 120hz. Insomniac's games have a separate 120hz toggle that you can disable to toggle back to 30fps.

@Crimsongz Жыл бұрын

They can barely hold 30 fps

@riaz8783 Жыл бұрын

Given they couldn't properly target 60fps, I don't think you can trust that a 40fps mode would work well either

@itsd0nk 11 ай бұрын

Quick tip to improve image quality for any console players out there: Set FOV to Wide (the middle setting, up one from default), and disable Chromatic Aberration. Changing the FOV to Wide doesn’t simply change a slider, it changes the camera height and angle in a way that is FAR more favorable for FSR 2 artifacts to be avoided. The default camera angle causes MASSIVE ghosting and fizzle issues, due to the size of your character model and the lower camera angle pitching your character model against the background of the scenes, rather than against more of the ground on the Wide setting. I hope this helps. This was on PS5 btw, but the same exact thing applies to series x.

@Tiasung Жыл бұрын

Haha, wow. That Fallen Order visual comparison seems almost cruel. It really is impressive how much they improved the visuals in Survivor.

@bnutz3k Жыл бұрын

I ended up turning RT off on PC and ended up playing like four hours straight last night (just got to Jedha). I was bemoaning the heavy platforming earlier on, but then it turned into a Zelda-like and I'm hooked.

@leanlifter1 Жыл бұрын

Most real OG gamers will never use fake frames or raytracing as they are just gimmicks sorta like how Physx flopped. If you need to stream your frames from some servers then just get a game streaming subscription and leave the dedicated local hardware alone. Otherwise there will be none left and they will no longer be selling dedicated GPU and instead yo will be on a streaming box like the shield with a $490 a year subscription fee to play at ultra 60fps lol.

@Chicky_Lumps Жыл бұрын

@@leanlifter1 How is raytracing a "gimmick?" It may be very questionable for the performance impact at this stage, but pathtracing has literally been the standard for offline renders for decades. No animated movie is rasterized unless for stylistic reasons. Saying it's not worth it for games yet is fine, but that doesn't make it a "fad" or "gimmick." Misusing those words for anything people dislike for unrelated reasons.

@bnutz3k Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's kind of an odd take. I've also been gaming since about 1979, so uh... yeah. Anyway, update: a few days later, they dropped a patch and I turned RT back on and I think the game runs mostly great. Finished it and now I'm playing Tears of the Kingdom, which includes the FSR gimmick. :D

@leanlifter1 Жыл бұрын

@@squirty131 Shee so many dollars into just graphics and you still can't max it out lol. Good luck with that.

@davidheaton6364 Жыл бұрын

Wow! You only had to wait one day to bring out a review for both consoles. Makes yesterday’s video even more curious

@darkmaster539 Жыл бұрын

Consoles are not powerful enough to have forced rt on. It is not good enough to justify the fps or the lower resolution.

@PixelShade Жыл бұрын

To be fair, FSR generally looks much better at higher framerates. at 30fps is kind of atrocious, but if you are at 60fps (or preferably above. like 90-120fps), the temporal resolve is much quicker and is able to salvage much more of the intended detail. Honestly it's the same with DLSS... upscaling isn't very good at 33.33ms... there's just too much space between frames.

@bobocpe Жыл бұрын

We're back to 30fps territory boys!

@p0k314COM Жыл бұрын

But this time on 648p.

@DariusPL Жыл бұрын

Exactly. I actually play Hogwarts @ 30 fps on my PS5 as well since the performance mode just looks so much worse.

@iedutul1 Жыл бұрын

I’m ok with 30fps but 972 p ? Not even full hd ? Fuck that shit I’ll never buy this game

@dmen0563 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for having integrity and telling it how it is

@theanimerapper6351 Жыл бұрын

So I guess as the generation continues we'll see more and more sub 1080p 30fps games that dip into the 20s? So much for consoles that eat monsters for breakfast

@SOTVT Жыл бұрын

They eat muffins for breakfast, as it seems.

Жыл бұрын

Consoles have their limitations but damn, games are so extremely unoptimized nowadays. Nothing done in order to run better.

@BenoHourglass Жыл бұрын

And unlike the last generation, the performance gap between the consoles and PC isn't enough for the PC to brute force past the performance issues.

@gigi19081 Жыл бұрын

Love RT lighting, much more impactful compared to RT reflections

@tydendurler9574 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, what would the world be without RaYTrAcInG Oh, yeah right, normal. With really good performing games all over. But nooooouuu, for some tiny lighting improvements one has to zoom-look for, it's super totally awesome to drop frames and resolution. 😒

@RageArtEnthusiast Жыл бұрын

@@tydendurler9574 i hear what you're saying but RT lighting is definitley more than just something you have to zoom in to see. on console, i can imagine its annoying not being given the freedom to have high quality graphics mode with decent fps and no raytracing. ON PC you can switch it on and off as you please.

@ultrag33k52 Жыл бұрын

If RT was stripped from performance mode on consoles entirely, user reception would have been very, very different with an easy game to recommend to anyone. As it stands, this game is not a recommendation.

@RageArtEnthusiast Жыл бұрын

@ultrag33k52 that's understandable if even the performance mode has forced RT ofcourse

@phrozac Жыл бұрын

IMO, RTGI is the best aspect and most impactful of the 4 common RT features - global illumination, shadows, reflections, and ambient occlusion. I wonder if it's the most expensive as well as it's the one most often not included in the RT features of any given game.

@ricepony33 Жыл бұрын

The "60fps" still just feels better to play even with the issues imo. I jumped back and forth multiple times and the 30fps camera panning just kills it for me. I'm hoping we get a locked 60, no RT and FSR 2.2 in a month or so.

@godfreake Жыл бұрын

Going back and forth will definitely play better in the 60fps modes favor but if you stick with the 30fps mode for a while it becomes less "jarring". It's that switch that makes it seem so much worse then it actually is

@ChrischlyM Жыл бұрын

OLED tv's feel super jarring at 30 fps, that might have something to say. 30 fps felt okay on my old plasma tv.

@Narkissos_1 Жыл бұрын

If it was locked 30 I wouldn’t mind , but feels like it is not , so u will have tearing if u don’t have vrr no matter what.

@godfreake Жыл бұрын

@@Narkissos_1 it's not locked but it's fairly close to being locked

@ChrischlyM Жыл бұрын

@@Narkissos_1 You'd have tearing no matter what, since 30 fps is outside of the VRR range (48 fps for ps5 and 40 for Xbox).

@miguelmoreno-qh6wl Жыл бұрын

Are we just going to not talk about the upscailed super low resolutions just to keep the steady framerate, that is just disrespectful.

@AP-hn8wd Жыл бұрын

Day 1 patches of brands new games, regardless of platform, have to end.

@toxiccylon Жыл бұрын

Accountability

@dominicanag1032 Жыл бұрын

Great video! I will wait until the performance issue and bugs are fixed before I make my purchase.

@PizzlesTechTime Жыл бұрын

Looking back on last gen and the refreshed consoles, It's hilarious said they were marketed as 4K consoles. Seems to be we have a long way to go

@Charles-hy6gp Жыл бұрын

You can not go to 1080p console in 2013 to 4K console in 2020. Well, we got games on Xbox 360 running at 600p, 640p resolution when it was a 720p console

@xabbott Жыл бұрын

Not sure why this needed a whole video versus a few thoughts added to the previous PS5 video. We got a lot of details on certain aspects but then almost nothing at the core of what the video is titled, comparisons. Very few details "they're about the same." Then with the S its like "I'm surprised it doesn't do x,y, and z" Why are you surprised?

@jarde1989 Жыл бұрын

The video is quality Even if you didn’t like the opinions that were expressed

@theanimerapper6351 Жыл бұрын

What more is there to say if they both look roughly the same? Bro it's sub 1080p on both at 30fps, trash on both consoles

@MrSpOoKs13805 Жыл бұрын

Lol why are you apologizing ? Did you make the video ?

@TheGoncas2 Жыл бұрын

Weird comment tbh

@FlorentChardevel Жыл бұрын

I think it’s because they didn’t get review copies of the game before release, leaving less time to review the game (remember they need to release a video as early as possible or they’ll lose views). If you take that into account, the work they did is actually impressive.

@AlxNomeds-un4nd Жыл бұрын

Dropping the resolution to 720p is unforgivable and the game still doesn't manage to keep constant 60fps. Wtf is going on?

@deedeemerry1295 Жыл бұрын

UE4. outdated garbage

@iedutul1 Жыл бұрын

648p * 😂 wtf is this PS2?

@YourManJazzie Жыл бұрын

Honestly, the Series S version is the most impressive to me. Not the best, but the most impressive. Considering Series X and PS5 are struggling to hit 720p at 30fps, it's remarkably close.

@kraenk12 Жыл бұрын

Lmao reverse psychology

@kraenk12 Жыл бұрын

@@beefychief3355 it’s a terrible value considering a 3 times faster PS5 digital is just 100$ more!

@beefychief3355 Жыл бұрын

@@kraenk12 the “all digital” ain’t the selling point of the series s. It’s the smallest xbox to date and yet is incredibly more powerful than any last gen console. It’s also the cheapest and is always in stock unlike Series X and Ps5. I’d much prefer a Series X for a more seamless experience but I’m perfectly fine with a series S until the X is more available.

@brandoncheney2815 Жыл бұрын

@@kraenk12where ? Im canadian a series s is 349.99 brand new the all digital ps5 is 729.99 LOL

@itssbba9627 Жыл бұрын

I honestly don’t know what people are taking about it runs fine and looks good on my series S

@davidandrew6855 Жыл бұрын

That is because we don't get RT and are capped at 30fps. I find that more than acceptable, but for premium consoles, it shoudl run *MUCH* better and have an RT mode you can turn off.

@itssbba9627 Жыл бұрын

@@davidandrew6855 i mean i got it for 428$ CAD and it runs games as good as some of my 1500 dollar pc it’s a pretty good deal I’m glad I got survivor on it I read of my pc

@Gr4yF0x Жыл бұрын

When ps5 has the edge DF dont show them side by side and say it's similar.

@purringbluzzmuffin8030 Жыл бұрын

Tbh, though, it's like saying solid turd has the edge over diarrhoea.

@Aristowi Жыл бұрын

It's baffling to have games that perform this bad alongside with games like Horizon Forbidden West that look stunning and perform many times better on the same platform.

@PursuedByAMemory Жыл бұрын

I feel like the game looks good but nowhere near as impressive as the breathy excitement in the video implies.

@fastenedcarrot9570 Жыл бұрын

I think that's just him deepthroating the microphone tbh

@iLoveCrossplay Жыл бұрын

I was like, huuuh? Is he serious?, doesn't look good at all, compared to GOW Ragnarok and Horizone the forbidden west.

@stevenbaksh5545 Жыл бұрын

Well I guess KZfaq compresses videos so it's probably not giving justice to how the game actually looks with your eyes

@Ch0ntrol Жыл бұрын

Playing right now ando the Game doesnt look as good as the video implies,

@craigrodriguez8384 Жыл бұрын

Lol you people are silly. This game doesn’t look good to you? 😂 I can’t anymore

@TheSuperColonel Жыл бұрын

Give us money now and we might fix it later. Also, give us more while we release DLCs and maybe fix someday 1 or pre-beta reported bug. Looking forward to checking out this game 2 years from now on once it reaches the Polish state in its complete edition for 75% off. Thank you to the beta testers who will help provide feedback and make the game better.

@Archivist42 Жыл бұрын

I really think the 30fps mode should hold a locked 30. That's a very low bar, and yet the game doesn't always manage it right now

@phase_1471 Жыл бұрын

And this is why I never buy a game at release. It'll look great in a few months, and be half the price 👍

@frandypena1733 Жыл бұрын

BTW if you pause on cutscenes and turn Perfomance mode back to ON it renders all cutscenes at 60 FPS!!

@callibor3119 Жыл бұрын

I’m curious what the performance are between Windows 10 and Windows 11. DirectX 11 and 12 functions different between both Windows software so I am curious which performs the game better.

@IntenseMagic Жыл бұрын

Hey Digital Foundry, I noticed you no longer show framerate side by sides for PS5 and Xbox Series X. What's up with that?

@Red_Panduh Жыл бұрын

What exactly are you looking for? To prove which version has the smallest advantage which means nothing when all of the machines are running poorly?

@shubhendubhaskar6187 Жыл бұрын

We all need to pledge to never preorder any game from now on. Wait for detailed reviews always.

@horrorjunkie96 Жыл бұрын

14:22 omg. will this aliasing and artefacts caused by the upsampling be fixed in a future patch? or is it more inherent to their upscaling implementation and will stay?

@jameslarham5936 Жыл бұрын

I wouldn’t think so unless they are able to increase the base resolution it is sampled from, which given the current performance seems unlikely. I recently played through Cyberpunk 2077 on a Series X in performance mode which also uses FSR and some of the artifacting was unbelievable. In one scene a character eats some food which looks perfect on the plate. As it as it moves though it turns into a crazy swirling mess of pixels, incredibly distracting.

@Matt-lc3bd Жыл бұрын

Good review. Real reviews are hard to come by nowadays.

@DonPasquale_ Жыл бұрын

It's sad that I'm seeing countless people standing up for the game online, saying things like "who cares about performance and FPS drops, nobody needs more than 30 FPS".

@joshuaDstarks Жыл бұрын

Reminds me of when I’d play an old SNES game and the frames would crap out…we were just going through “slow motion” for a little bit.

@Rebelscum264 Жыл бұрын

@@joshuaDstarks slow down was completely different to dropped frames

@i3l4ckskillzz79 Жыл бұрын

Not when game speed is tied to the framerate. But otherwise I agree

@lordspalse0062 Жыл бұрын

They are actually right. They are nobodies and therefore do not need more than 30 Fps.

@jamesparkinmusic Жыл бұрын

I really enjoyed this. Great attention to details I wouldnt pick up on. Particularly liked the side by side comparison.

@devonford3836 Жыл бұрын

Yall on point. Just saw the tech review for PS5 yesterday.

@chaptermasterskeeze3000 Жыл бұрын

Hey, it's all good for me, I already know better than to buy games day one now a days, and I'm thankful to the team for their hard work, I'll be waiting patiently for them to optimize it a tad bit more. only time will tell.

@Ko5m0 Жыл бұрын

I wonder if the Series S settings could play at a consistent 60fps on Series X/PS5. If so that could be a preferred method of play for some.

@mancuniangamecat8288 Жыл бұрын

Or just a proformance mode without ray tracing.

@jollama Жыл бұрын

@@mancuniangamecat8288Bro really said proformance

@mancuniangamecat8288 Жыл бұрын

@@jollama what?

@StanleySThomas Жыл бұрын

$70 Beta Access Date: 4/28/23 Official Release Date: ?

@OOOcannal Жыл бұрын

This game have so much potential! Waiting to play in its full glory after patchs on my pc!.

@topooly Жыл бұрын

This is a non-starter for me. Neither mode looks to be a good option. Not letting you turn off RT is a very poor choice. It's never worth the performance cost.

@crestofhonor2349 Жыл бұрын

I disagree about RT never being worth the performance cost. Here it is but there are other games where yes it is worth it

@topooly Жыл бұрын

@@crestofhonor2349 Not for me. The novelty of RT wears off after a while but poor performance is always bad. DF is being far too soft on this game's problems in my opinion because they are obsessed with RT and want to praise any game that uses it. I completely disagree with that mentality, smooth performance with decent image quality should be the main priority, fancy graphical features are far less important.

@crestofhonor2349 Жыл бұрын

@@topooly Alex was by far the hardest on the game by his PC showcase and did a great job of breaking down it's issues. Oliver could have done more though

@joshuabenton3785 Жыл бұрын

I can't wait to play this game! ...when it's finished in the oven! I'll give it another three months and check back in :D

@KindOldRaven Жыл бұрын

648p to 864p upscaled to 1440p. Yikes. And still having massive performance dips down to 30 in that performance mode. Looks like that 30fps gen starts now that next gen has officially started. At least if you want above 1440p resolution ;p I'll play this in a few years after 20 patches, or perhaps get it at 15 bucks when the Ps6/XboxNew is out.

@supmadude3665 Жыл бұрын

The consoles aren’t the problem. The optimization is.

@KindOldRaven Жыл бұрын

@@supmadude3665 Didn't intend to make it sound like it was - my bad. The choice to push (little) graphical prowess over performance because they're convinced that graphics sell. Instead they choose to brute force graphics and I kind of was hoping we were moving past that this generation. At least slightly. I mean we can all see how 'good' recent PC ports have been as well (horrible) in terms of optimization, shader stutter etc etc. Yikes.

@curdstar Жыл бұрын

I've found out I'm so okay with faint, diffuse glows.

@RussGreeno Жыл бұрын

What's really frustrating is that those that don't game in 4K don't benefit from playing in 1080p because the output rendering is fixed. Why not give us full control to play these games as low as 720P to free up resources for framerate.

@russmawson6744 Жыл бұрын

Not got it yet (my wife's got me it for my birthday) but I hope they offer an RT toggle that I think would improve the frame rate considerably. I only have a 1080p TV so will likely run it on performance mode but I'm considering quality mode for first time after what I've been seeing and hearing

@thed3m0n0id9 Жыл бұрын

Play it in Quality Mode. The extra headroom you give your console doing that helps reduce any framedrop a LOT. But I still wouldn't hold my breath on it holding 60fps.

@00ABM Жыл бұрын

Ray tracing is the most overhyped "technology" I've ever seen or better yet barely can see without it being pointed out by these tech videos.

@fred420 Жыл бұрын

Never got the whole zoomed in analysis.. Like, I'm not sitting 3 inches from the screen and when playing at a normal distance I can't tell the difference between the three lol.

@darthniloc6099 Жыл бұрын

So why didn’t they say what resolution the Series X is running in these 2 modes other than just saying it was similar to PS5?

@triforcegaming2678 Жыл бұрын

I'm surprised he didn't say Xbox was better

@user-ec8zd8zp4x Жыл бұрын

Can't wait playing this one next year or so! :)

@gabriel771100 Жыл бұрын

And they said these new Consoles would be able to offer 60fps with rtx and all the other bells and whistles. It's the last time I purchase a game console. I'll be getting a PC next time.

@dominicarroyo6269 Жыл бұрын

Clearly it's not on the consoles but the Game. I don't know how you can't see that this game wasn't optimized during development to run on anything damn near. Idk how you can blame the consoles when PC was having bad as well if not worst

@broskibrobro1278 3 ай бұрын

If you thought the consoles were gonna be able to raytrace at 60fps, then that’s on you, for the price it was never gonna happen

@Lord-Cyrus Жыл бұрын

I believe much of the performance issues can be fixed, but not sure Respawn will do much to address the image quality and artifacting.

@rotiseriejones2137 Жыл бұрын

Doing a versus video without doing an Xbox tech breakdown first...you guys, @Digital Foundry, are really showing your colors aren't you?

@ionut15091 Жыл бұрын

what vs ? they never showed x vs ps5 gameplay, or give us resolution for xbox ike they did for ps5... they only compared ps5 to pc and ps5 to s than say x is the same

@rotiseriejones2137 Жыл бұрын

@@ionut15091 Form a somehwat coherent reading experience please. I am simply commenting on the fact they did a PC breakdown, and they also did a PS5 breakdown. Now they jump right into console comparisons...lol, pretty obvious isn't it?

@djdjddhdhd5231 Жыл бұрын

Ok guys ... Here's the point . Last night, Digital foundry made a full video showing ps5 performance of the game Today, digital foundry doing another video showing ps5 performance of the game with mentioning series x performance as " the same" . If you dont believe that DF is biased then here's the proof !

@SilverEye91 Жыл бұрын

What's biased about that? They compared the two. What more do you want? Or is this just you being a little snowflake with perpetual victim complex?

@fenbops Жыл бұрын

I agree about 3 mins of the video is series X and then they show bugs using series X footage only. Not the first time I’ve noticed this with DF.

@chrisuj3470 Жыл бұрын

I’m playing on PS5 and on both performance and quality mode when I move the camera there is a flash of white spots on the screen that vanish, particularly in certain environments. Is this artificating?

@Ch0ntrol Жыл бұрын

Is like a ghosting effect

@jiegokoji Жыл бұрын

720p next gen across all platforms, great job respawn )

@katbmwh1101 Жыл бұрын

Soon I am getting this game. Amazing stuff

@Krongfah Жыл бұрын

The saddest thing about this debacle is that at its core Jedi: Survivor is a great game that may even be GOTY contender but it's marred by the god awful performance and optimisation.

@8minato Жыл бұрын

The only contender is ff16

@crestofhonor2349 Жыл бұрын

@@8minato No it isn't. It's looking great but there are other GOTY contenders

@joshuaDstarks Жыл бұрын

People are absolutely insane thinking this turd would be a contender even if it worked right.

@8minato Жыл бұрын

@@crestofhonor2349 these other games would be contenders normally but ff16 is just on a diff level nothing topping it for the next decade

@crestofhonor2349 Жыл бұрын

@@8minato The game isn't out. You have no evidence to even say it'll be GOTY let alone the best game of the decade. Yes it looks great but you sound overhyped for it

@ajs7771 Жыл бұрын

I can't believe a game in 2023 has that low of a resolution, disable ray tracing qnd lower shadow quality so we can have higher resolution and framerate!