Cloud version, I’m worried.

​@@Hack_The_Planet_ Obviously cloud.

@@Hack_The_Planet_ it's already confirmed to not be a cloud version

@@Hack_The_Planet_ It has pre orders for a physical version so i doubt its gonna be cloud

its 2d side scroller

Aren’t you so hoity-toity with your fast loading times. Loading breaks to give me a chance to take a breather

Shut up, spoiled kid. The load times are fine.

​@@jasonsmith530 sure man, inhale the copium.

So every last gen game drives you nuts then

@@jasonsmith530 External SSD (storage drive) will improve your current system load times. You can pick up a 1TB SSD external for about $80. Yes I know that may be a lot, but still much cheaper than buying a new system. Peace

​@Void Flesh What is so hard to understand?

I actually liked the angular ones more TBH

​@Void Flesh watch the video then

@Void Flesh They replaced round objects with angular ones, cause angular ones tend to be less power consuming. That's an old technique to increase the fps. Look at Mario 64, nothing in this game is truly round.

@Void Flesh games use triangles for model structures “polygons” so to make a circle out of triangles, you will need A LOT of triangles, where as a hexagon like table will only need 2 for the base. Lot less “polygons” to load which reduces stress on older hardware. If you need a more hands on visual approach, load up Minecraft and make a hexagon out of stone, then try to make a circle out of stone and compare the amount of blocks you used to make both structures look like their respective shapes.

I’ve been playing it since release on ps4 pro, it’s definitely has some stutter moments but unless you’re looking for it, it’s barely noticeable.

There is better looking open world games on Xbox one

​@@sean7332 it's alot harder tho when you have to downgrade a game

I’m not. Hogwarts was never a current-gen game built from the ground up.

*were

That's the kind of "dumb problem" devs have to deal when optimizing. And it does require time. I won't believe anymore people saying they can't optimize their games. It is a 6 months budget

They made an effort with this game, which is a rare occurrence in the current state of the industry.

This used to be a standard practice back in the day (i.e. up to X360, PS3 and Wii generation) - assets like level geometry and models design were reworked to look better with lower polycount on less capable platform. The prime example is PS2 version of RE4.

​@@kamilciura7953It was a lot easier to make a lower poly alternate when games were very low poly to begin with. It's harder nowadays to have to make a second decent fidelity design after already making a high fidelity design.

@@padnomnidprenon9672 They can afford it, with 15 million copies sold. The fact the Series X version still has performance issues is a disgrace. But it also shows that the majority of people don't care about stuff like this.

Xbox did it with older X360 titles like KOTOR and GTA IV, and the uncapped FPS effectively means a 60 FPS on Xbox Series X|S.

That’s too pro-consumer for Sony. If they did this, a lot of people would opt to play older versions of games at uncapped frame rates to save money instead of forking out more money to buy the new PS5 remasters/remakes or whatever.

@@chrisstucker1813 The popularity of remasters would rather prove this not the case.

@@alexatkin sony has remastered quite a few games from last gen. Death stranding, uncharted and ghost of tshushima for example; a major selling point of these remasters is that they have 60+FPS modes. The games already looked good on the PS4 Pro but were stuck at 30FPS. An uncapped frame rate would make sony unable to lock smoother 60FPS gameplay behind a pay wall.

​@@chrisstucker1813 found the xbox fanboy

you should worry about the pathetic switch cpu weaker than the xbox 360 cpu and how it will run on that with this bottleneck

​@@xtr.7662 X360 is not that much slower than one s :D

​@Void Flesh PS4's cpu is significant -30ish% slower at 1.6ghz than one X's cpu at 2.3 if I remember correctly so it a 100% GPU bottleneck especially given the fact that one x has 12gb of ram instead of 8

@@frederikgoogel5611 thats like saying the ps3 is as good as the ps4 and we all know the ps3 is dog crap

​@@xtr.7662 Switch version is cloud based. This console would just start burning if you would enter Hogsmeade and targeted 15fps wouldn't be so enjoyable for the eyes 😂

tables will now be triangular, lol

Switch fans would either defend it or blame everything on whoever made the port.

@@ArthurDraco true..honestly the switch is a pretty pathetic console

@@leonro there will be no table lol

@@leonroyou think there will be tables? 😂

Depends, if the SATA-specification and SSD-specification allows for it. - For one thing, the regular PS4 only has a SATA-300 interface (which can bottleneck a good SSD), while the Pro has a SATA-600 interface, which allows for faster drives. (Though, I don't know what the deal is in case of the Xboxes.) - Then the SSDs should also be fast enough to make a difference. Certain ones can be so slow, despite the technology, that you might as well use a mechanical drive. On top of that, it helps to have DRAM on board the drive for faster and repeated loading, or it will significantly cut down on speed as well. That said, I would always replace a mechanical drive with an SSD these days, especially the extra-slow ones they included with the PS4, but definitely not go overboard or... "underboard" with it, or the investment isn't worth it either way. Probably something like a Crucial MX500 is a good balance of performance and cost.

True

Never played Forza Horizon 2 on 360. But I was under the impression that it was effectively its own interpretation rather than a port, and that it was decently impressive for the hardware. Much like Rise of the Tomb Raider. Though I could be wrong about the former. Shadow of Mordor is an outright performance -- and feature -- disaster on 360, and somehow even worse on PS3. And that seemingly owes to the fact that it was a downport rather than bespoke version for those platforms.

@@mortenpotzdidler2790 my first time playing Rise of Tomb Raider was on the Xbox 360 version and later on I've played the maxed out PC version. As someone who had played the Tomb Raider 2013 on PS3 prior to playing Rise, I can safely say that the Xbox 360 version of Rise is comparable to the 2013 PS3's TR but it has a softer look on the image, idk if it runs at lower res. But AFAIR it's still game same whole game as the PC release!

​@@andremalerba5281 dude i didn't even have any idea that RoTR got x360 port 😂

Horizon 2 on the 360 was the reason I upgraded to the One back in the day.

Yeah, 8th gen has gotten some seriously impressive ports over the last year or so. This, High on Life, MWII/Warzone 2, GT7/Forza Horizon 5, it's so impressive to see how (relatively) well last-gen has held up. This was not the case during the PS3->4/360->One transition. By this point in THAT generation, big name games had already left, and the ones that stayed were pretty poor (Black Ops 3 comes to mind). It of course shows how far technology has come, but also how supply issues have caused this particular transition to last entirely too long.

No thanks i'd prefer the PS4 have at least 2 more years in service

@@BrucifyMe Is not supply issues, is simply that the PS4, specially the pro and Xbox One X are more than capable!! This was NOT the case with the 360 and PS3 as those consoles simply couldn't run newer games at playable framerates! If you ask me, Sony and Microsoft should've kept the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X as their S version of their consoles and keep supporting those, while abandoning the standard Xbox One and Ps4, but support the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X until the very end of the 9th generation. This is not the case of course, and it is a shame as these consoles are quite capable as I already said.

damn i wish they would show that, sounds interesting, are the corridors decorated or just barren?

Dude, it's Hogwarts. I doubt they had any lost sales to delays. Harry Potter fans are pretty dedicated. But otherwise, totally agree.

@@spazzmanic_cripple_dance_farts Well yeah they miss out on the momentum of the advertising and media coverage train leading up to the main release. A secondary release has far less buzz, coverage, and fanfare. They could have made more money by rushing out a poorly performing last gen version on day 1 by relying on that devoted fan base, but they did the right thing instead.

They did, which is why I hope they'll now focus on getting the PC version fixed

I just wish the performance mode on ps5 looked better. The difference in detail between 60 and 30fps is the biggest I've seen on ps5. It's the only game I ended up playing in 30 fps.

​@@WH250398have you played Jedi Survivor?

The switch is the only one left

@@WH250398 yeah I played fidelity with ray tracing because on performance everything just looked dull and had a plastic look in my opinion

The base XBox One in particular has a big problem with memory bandwidth, in addition to memory allocation problems. The CPU also struggles the more unique assets you have in each scene due to the pre-rendering or drawcall stage of the graphics pipeline, which sets up the scene for the GPU to render.

Why are you so surprised? Haven't you seen God of War Ragnarok running on the standard PS4? Or Spiderman? There is nothing to be surprised about. As Merlin once said, "Because it is the doom of man his lack of memory".

@@ignacio6454 Because those games were written with well optimised engines. When you compare how terrible Hogwarts Legacy runs on every current platform, THAT is why its impressive it doesn't run a lot worse on last-gen. Though I'm not sure impressive is the right word given it performs badly on all platforms.

@@alexatkin That's because these devs were aiming at 60fps, a completely unheard of thing in the 8th generation. Still, by 8th gen standards, these games run pretty damn good.

And then there is a PC version.

The power gap between PS1 and PS2 was huge and in 6 months and 3rd year into PS2 console it already have tons of great games making cross gen ports like this completely unnecessary.

Generational differences in power between consoles are now 4-5 times, as opposed to previous generations, where it was 8-10 times. RAM has only improved 2 times. Hence why it is so easy to downport games to 8th gen.

How is it nuts? Hogwarts Legacy on PS5 looks nice, but it's not much better than some high end PS4 titles. It was clearly not designed to be a next (current gen) powerhouse title.

@@richardhunter9779ps5’s gpu is 8x as powerful as the ps4

Yeah I hate One S I wanted to see way more of PS4 Pro and Xbox one X

I love how the Series S makes pc gamers so friggen mad 🤣 200 dollar console plays harry potter games better than a 5 thousand dollar pc

@@nick13b I haven't seen PC gamers getting mad because of Series S. Instead, they are mad at developers who drop the ball, delivering piss poor quality ports on their platform of choice. If anything, existence of Series S is beneficial for PC gamers, because it ensures that there's some scalability to games, making them possible to run on lower end, weaker GPUs and ones with less memory. However, I do see, from time to time, posts of Xbox Series X and PS5 owners getting mad because of Series S, claiming it holds their more powerful consoles back. As a PS5 owner and tech enthusiast I don't think it's true, but each to their own. I actually love seeing lower spec hardware getting most out of it - it's fascinating stuff to see what talented developers can do to make consoles punch above their weight. On Series S, we don't see this as much as of yet, sadly. I'd say that the only game maxing out hardware this way is Cyberpunk 2077, which is jaw dropping stuff, especially the quality mode - it may lack RT, but overall visual makeup and detail richness are outstanding. It's great to see that little box getting some love, but at the same time, it is sad to witness how incompetent developers are when it runs games better than PCs with more power than PS5 and Series X - purely because of poor coding and lack of optimisation. If game looks fine, runs fine on Series S but tanks heavily on a PC with four times the GPU grunt and twice the CPU power, something is wrong here.

​@@nick13b It really doesn't, especially as you said "games" and the past games such as LEGO on PC can run 4K 60fps which makes the LEGO pieces look almost photo realistic.

​@Alex Atkin why u playing Lego games at all kid

​@@nick13b Lmfao I played hogwarts legacy with the 7900xt, an $800 graphics card. 120 fps LOL

Are you running an SSD or just HDD? I did the SSD swap, and I was very impressed with the faster loading times, but what was more impressive was the faster texture loading in several games.

@@davidandrew6855 I'm running a 2Tb HDD

@@davidandrew6855 Are you using an internal SSD (replacing the default HDD of the console) or are you using an external SSD?

@@IngrownMink4 In my PS4 I replaced the HDD with an SSD. The loading increase is very noticeable in some games. What I really enjoyed was how fast textures loaded in some demanding titles, such as CoD Warzone. Performance is borderline, but now I don't have to wait for texture loading nearly as much as I did with HDD.

@@davidandrew6855 I should try that on my PS4. Ty for the info.

I don’t think they’ll be able to make it perform, lol. They’re already struggling with machines 3x more powerful. I have a Switch Lite so I’ll wait and see however I reckon I’ll get it on my PS4.

I can’t imagine how bad it will look. It’s looks terrible on the Steam Deck which is much more powerful.

I mean its really annoying its not the only game that series x drop frames compared to ps5 even though series x is more powerful

​@@alcatraz6275 ps5 is the more powerful one bro

@@braidena1633 are you on drugs or what? Lol

@@braidena1633 ps5 its only more powerful if you’re an idiot fanboy. Development time is obviously primarily spent on the platform that is selling better and will net you more profit. Series X games were seeing advantages and now as the ps5 is taking a massive lead that advantages have evaporated. You’re telling me devs just forgot how to utilize the hardware overnight? No it’s simple. Ps5 is just getting more attention.

@@braidena1633no it’s not

That's interesting as I never saw a big difference myself, the IO in the consoles is limited at the OS level and the lack of CPU power for decompressing assets. You could take a HDD out of the console and run games on PC from that same HDD with an order of magnitude faster load times.

@@alexatkin have you tried external drives? The internal I/O is capped at SATA-II speeds, yes. However, external drives run at the speeds allowed by USB 3, allowing for much faster loading times. My external 6TB WD Red drive, for instance is on average 20% faster than the internal drive of the One X, and that's not even an SSD.

@@halofreak1990 Depends on which PS4 as well. If it's the Pro, that has a SATA-600 interface, as far as I know.

@@alexatkin - Which version of the PS4 are you talking about? - The regular version might not benefit as much from an SSD as the Pro version, as their SATA-specs are different. - But then it also depends on the speed of the SSD, because if it's just any generic SSD, it might not matter as much. - I'm not saying you need the fastest one, like one of the "Samsung Pros" or something, but it should be a solid performer if you want it to be noticeable, as well as DRAM helps.

Hope they try to hit 30. Less than that is kinda tough imo

No grass, no assets and probably squared tables, plain terrain, less npcs and maybe it could hit 20-30 fps

Judging by similar games on the system (aka "heavy" open world games like The Witcher 3) even if they target 30fps i doubt its gonna hold it, the average will probably be 20fps or less. In the past, i remember that handhelds got entirely different games based on the original game that released on the other machines so maybe that's the case here? Unless they already said Switch is gonna run the full fledged version.

@@marcelosoares7148 this game is more gpu and cpu intensive than the witcher 3 and the switch has a very weak cpu actually weaker than the xbox 360 so it will be curious how they manage to achieve even 20fps seeing how cpu intensive it already is

Both.

Yes, I would expect it to be an Elden Ring situation and a perfect 60 fps when running PS4 uncapped on a PS5

Given the PC version can't, it would indeed be interesting if they did.

xbox is soo weak......

Was it?

IIRC, that's what the devs of Ori and the will of the wisps did. They ported the game to switch, which necessitated optimizations, which were then applied back on PC and other consoles.

With a fast SSD you get spoiled. After awhile you don’t even think about the loading times. But if you go back to last gen it’s sooooo bad. You start to take it for granted

@@braedonlock3359 Just put an SSD on the PS4 Pro, you cut loading times by half, oh but I am sorry I forgot I was responding to a brain dead dumbass.

@@braedonlock3359 I already get slightly ticked off when my PC with one of the best NVMes takes longer than 5 seconds to load something. XD - BUT, I am very appreciative that it takes like no-time for most things. - I think I deserve it, having waited/wasted many hours of my life in the days of diskettes and CD-ROMs and so forth. - People say they want physical media for games. I say no. I've lived that sht.

One x= better resolution, worse graphics Series s= worse resolution, better graphics

@@JustARandomGuy0911series s = better loading times by over a minute which is insane. Textures don’t take 15 seconds to load in and way less pop in.

@@braedonlock3359 The game is clearly is poorly optimized. Xbox one X has slower loading time than even one S.... Also, texures take longer than PS4 even though it is way more powerful.

@@killermoon635 the Xbox One X is using higher detail assets. Its download size, coming in at around 37 GB, is 50% bigger than One S. I also didn't notice nearly as much pop-in as shown here on Xbox One S, so there's some other improvements here as well. All in all, the game looks and runs on Xbox One X as one would expect from a demanding title, and I've no complaints aside from the loading times, but that's why I avoid 'fast travel' in The Witcher 3 as well; I can literally get around the game world faster if I _don't_ use fast travel.

@@killermoon635 well that’s because it targets 1440p.. so it’s loading in more intensive assets. The HDD is the same on both xbox one s and x. So ya makes sense it takes longer on one x. The same HDD is having to do more. Come on man you should of been able to piece that together yourself. We are on digital foundry for christ sakes.

Didn't the last gen version just release? How were you waiting so long for it?

I’m pretty excited for that one. Like John, I’m interested in video game ports.

Its gonna be sorcery😋

@@JONOFTHEJONS like Port of the Ports, I'm interested in video game Jons.

520p 24 fps

@@marcomilan3738 that with lower res textures geometry and npc and other cpu intensive things compared to the xbox one version so it wont be pretty

I put a Samsung 870 EVO in my One X last year and man what a difference Halo, Forza, Modern Warfare 2 and Im playing Resident Evil Village in 4K right now and everything loads. streams faster and smoother Modern Warfare 2 is a good test subject on that, I also look forward to this game but i generally wait a year for all patches to take place plus the price drop but in my opinion any consoles running games of today need a SSD internal or external.

@@Lavoss05 Personally I found it crazy that neither the Xbox One X or PS4 Pro came with a SATA SSD as standard, especially considering that both support SATA 3.0. Over on the PC side it was obvious that a SATA SSD made a huge difference for years before either of these consoles was released.

@@electricindigoball1244 the Xbox One X on the motherboard it does have a spot that was designated for M.2 SSD on the development kit it is used but on the game console there's just a outline and a blank spot for it almost as if it's there just in case they wanted to update it to having a M.2SSD

@@Lavoss05 Looking at some pictures of the Xbox One X motherboard I see what you're referring to. While it would be interesting if it was functional my guess is that it wouldn't provide any real advantage over a good quality SATA SSD since the biggest difference between NVMe and SATA SSDs is the sequential read/write bandwidth and most read operations in games are random and the difference in IOPS going from a SATA SSD to an NVMe SSD is very small. I also question if an NVMe SSD wouldn't get bottlenecked by the Jaguar CPU.

If it was down to that the one X wouldn't have the same problem

Okay maybe not 100% stable, but seems stable enough to be playable. Still, impressive. Can't wait to see the Switch version

PlayStation: 👍 Xbox: 👌 Nintendo: 💩

It just got a ginarmous patch on PC as well.

Based on my experience with other open world games on a One X + SSD, it would definitely help. The interesting question is by how much. If you remove the HDD bottleneck, how much does the Jaguar CPU still limit loading?

Most likely would. It did in FF7-R which is also UE4.

Yes

dont it will be a downgraded xbox one version which will not be pretty 540p 20fps docked with lower res textures and few npcs most likely

@@xtr.7662 I already have it on PC, I’m simply interested to see how it goes

Why is that amazing? The lastgen has games like Red Dead Redemption 2, Days Gone or Horizon Zero Dawn, they look better than Hogwarts Legacy for PS4/XBO, run in a higher resolution and don‘t have textures hanging for seconds at a low resolution. I don't get it why people here are excited, everybody seems to have forgotten how good lastgen games looked. HL for lastgen is okay, but certainly not amazing.

​@@michaelmuller1433 I guess owning a next gen console made people forget that some of the new games can still run on the last gen.

@@michaelmuller1433Yes

@@MrLennykillYep

I wanna see the onex with the ssd swap

Exactly this. I put an SSD in my PS4 in 2015. And used a USB enclosure with one on the Xbox One. It helped some games massively. And given how these days you can pick up a 250GB SATA SSD for like £15, plus about £8 for an enclosure, it's a no brainer for the benefits.

I know my One X did so much so I had a 2td external after a 2 years i updated the internal one to a 1TB ssd

He did mention it, and used the tables as an example.

You obviously have an agenda and did not listen to the video. He clearly mentioned the reduction of geometry

@@davidandrew6855 he mentioned a table. Not the huge sweeping changes to entire sections of the castle

@@rammyfier5088 whatever you say bud, you are the only one complaining and upset by it. Most of us understood what he means.

@@davidandrew6855 I'm not upset lmao, why do you think I have problem with it? I literally never said that. I think it's a smart decision.

Can you give some examples of old games that are much more complex? I can't think of any.

​@@mattmaas5790 Grand Theft Auto 4?

@@mattmaas5790 Grand Theft Auto V, a 10-year old game that managed to run on an Xbox 360. A much larger world with tons of NPC's with their own individual AI, wildlife, many destroyable objects with their own physics, tons of cars that each can be damaged in a wide variety of ways and have a good level of physics attached to them etc. Yes, from a visual standpoint, it's quite obvious that Hogwarts Legacy is on a way another level. But from a simulation complexity? I mean just pick any random open world game and it has more simulation than HL. Even GTA III has more simulation, even if it has 20x worse visual fidelity.

​@@konczdavid have you tried optimizing a game? You should try it to better understand the challenges. Them compare old games architecture against current gen one.

this might be the dumbest thing i've read on youtube

Lol that’s why 2017 Xbox one X caught my attention cause I stayed on Xbox 360 and had PS4 Pro

It does? Is that why it looks so clean in the trailers?

FSR 1 or 2?

Which FSR version though? I think it's up to 2.2 now.

@@JONOFTHEJONS The trailers always look way cleaner than the final product with most Switch games, same thing happened with BOTW. For all we know the trailers are just running on a PC/stronger devkit, especially considering you can already emulate the game at 4k60 for a few days now even with increased shadow reslotion and LOD.

@@bltzcstrnx That I do not know yet, soon as the NDA is lifted I am sure DF will have a video going over it.

Lol its not that bad, of course It could be better, but that wont impact the actual gameplay, and you could Just take a peek at your phone to pass time

How about you just upgrade lmao

@@FlipFlopGod SSD is very cheap nowadays. Last time I checked 1 TB NVMe gen 3 cost 50 bucks.

@@FlipFlopGod too many reasons to list

Internal SSD for One S and One X Is the way to play every game.

@@bltzcstrnx broke.

thats what i did with my ps4, seemed to improve fps aswell

Correct technically, but the difference in power is really pretty negligible most of the time. From what I understand that extra power was so the One S could do HDR.

@@davidandrew6855 yes so it has "just" that extra power, in my opinion they should go with these actual base model. I know its almost nothing but its still something

@@marenoglas7572 OK. I doubt we would see more than a frame or 2 difference if that.

If it runs as good as one S I will be shocked.

360p upscaled to 720p in docked mode and 240p upscaled to 540p in portable mode. Welcome to the magical world of mud, where everything is mud. On a more serious note, I'm really curious to see how they handle the Switch port, whether it will be one of those impossible ports or basically a mudfest.

@@elimalinsky7069 Definetely a mud fest, just remember how the Witcher 3 looked gives me nightmares! I prefer to play games with sharp graphics and aliasing with PS2 graphics than "next gen" graphics at 90p!! It is honestly ridiculous by know, even Gameboys had better resolutions AND they looked sharp.

I don't know about steam deck but the PC version in general needs work still. Shader stutter is still an issue there

@@Darksjeik I'm not convinced its shader stutter given my experience is it stutters in the same places every single time, not just the first time you go there after a GPU driver update.

well these versions can also be played on the more powerful next gen consoles so it might preform really well there

@Azaia Monota it plays well on my ps5