Pikmin 1+2 Switch HD vs GameCube Originals - Is it Enough of An Upgrade?

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Digital Foundry

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11 ай бұрын

The complete tech breakdown of the HD Pikmin 1+2 re-releases on Nintendo Switch. Over 20 years on from the first game's appearance on GameCube, this HD collection gives us a moment to reflect on the legacy - and technology - of an under-appreciated series. Tom takes a look at the triumphs and pitfalls of the Switch release.
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@Spindash54
@Spindash54 11 ай бұрын
My only issue with the ports is that various HUD/UI elements are stretched to more fill out the widescreen screen space, a negative holdover from the Wii ports that sadly wasn’t rectified.
@FreediiFree
@FreediiFree 11 ай бұрын
I thought I noticed that with the time of day part of the UI :/
@Lishtenbird
@Lishtenbird 11 ай бұрын
And the AI upscaling on UI is... disgusting. They couldn't be bothered to remake the two-three dozen basic images that you'll always see on your screen?
@Glotttis
@Glotttis 11 ай бұрын
I don't think it's so simple. At 9:12 you can see game running on PC emulator and UI stretch looks different than the Switch version. Actually, UI bubbles in Switch version look the most correct. In GC version they are vertically stretched and on PC emulator they are horizontally stretched. In other words, looks like UI for Switch received some special care and it's not just simple 4:3 to 16:9 stretching.
@kurikuraconkuritas
@kurikuraconkuritas 11 ай бұрын
That is not true. The circle for the pikmin type and the world map are perfectly round, which means that the hud is not stretch at all
@Spindash54
@Spindash54 11 ай бұрын
@@kurikuraconkuritas Those are fine, but others like the Pikmin count are stretched compared to GameCube. Some elements are unchanged though.
@flameguy21
@flameguy21 11 ай бұрын
"Super Mario Bros. Melee" My parents called it that, too lol.
@JordanHJ
@JordanHJ 11 ай бұрын
Lol I noticed that and it reminded me of arguments at school with friends who swore it was called Super Mario Smash Bros
@Mene0
@Mene0 11 ай бұрын
whoops haha
@AmicusRyelei
@AmicusRyelei 11 ай бұрын
i know it's unfair but those modded up-scaled textures on dolphin really don't work for me. the real crime is that they had to drop all the product placement from the gamecube versions.
@johnpinky8
@johnpinky8 11 ай бұрын
I was thinking the same thing. While much higher quality, they completely change the style of the textures and it looks like a weird early unreal engine 4 demo or something.
@rcflight13
@rcflight13 11 ай бұрын
Yeah some fan projects mess too much with the original vision and colour temperature. Having a consistent art style that fits the original vision with slightly higher resolution is always preferable to detail for the sake of detail. Nerrel on YT really understands this when explaining his own fan retexture of Majora's Mask.
@netako
@netako 11 ай бұрын
The Wii version already removed the product placement so nothing new here.
@TheSalamanderMenace4
@TheSalamanderMenace4 11 ай бұрын
@@netako Wii version had them, Switch doesn't.
@netako
@netako 11 ай бұрын
@@TheSalamanderMenace4 I'm an idiot, my bad.
@HellfireComms
@HellfireComms 11 ай бұрын
I had a pretty good time with these ports. The only weirdness I ran into, thankfully, was some sound issues in the first game where certain sound effects seemed very soft and far away.
@retrogamer64007
@retrogamer64007 11 ай бұрын
My only complaint is the removal the duracell and other product placement items to generic ones. But I guess that’s licensing issues as always is.
@carlodavies9227
@carlodavies9227 11 ай бұрын
Let’s be honest, getting al those licenses back would be a titanic effort just for a port of a GameCube game
@mjc0961
@mjc0961 11 ай бұрын
I too am an insane person who prefers more ads in products I already paid good money for. Nah but seriously, removal of product placement is a GOOD thing. Product placement never should have been in the game to begin with.
@zenodezeno454
@zenodezeno454 11 ай бұрын
@@mjc0961ayo 😂
@carlodavies9227
@carlodavies9227 11 ай бұрын
@@mjc0961 No because it further immerses you into the games post apocalyptic earth setting, the game loses something without the real world product placement
@StJimmy765
@StJimmy765 11 ай бұрын
@@mjc0961 The product placement in the originals wasn’t used for funding/profit purposes like it usually is. This was to make it seem like the setting is a remnant of our actual world
@retromuel
@retromuel 11 ай бұрын
Weird that some elements on the new HUD still appear to be stretched while others are fine? The numbers on the lower right hand side particularly look very much like 4:3 stretched out to 16:9.
@Spindash54
@Spindash54 11 ай бұрын
Unfortunate holdover from the Wii port.
@retromuel
@retromuel 11 ай бұрын
​​​​@@Spindash54 Ah okay. Thanks. I'm surprised he didn't pick up on this - it really stands out to me. It makes total sense that this is based on the Wii port rather than the original. Also there's no way that's AI upscaling on those videos. It's far too clean.
@but_iWantedTo_speakGerman
@but_iWantedTo_speakGerman 11 ай бұрын
@@retromuelit’s deliberate shilling for sponsorship and free games, they do subtle stuff like this and ignore problems constantly, and have done it for years
@gellister
@gellister 11 ай бұрын
Nintendo has made a proprietary emulator (this means that they consider this a worthwhile investment that they spent the time making a reuseable software "machine" for these games). I do find it fascinating that they chose to separate the graphics into emulation (which apparently the shader tech on Gamecube is remarkably complex according to many sources on this site so I imagine it was best to make an emulator than try to make all that work natively with new code) and the CPU processes to be native, I have never heard of that before. Pretty cool stuff. This insinuates that they are eying their Gamecube and Wii libraries. I imagine if a games like Pikmin 1 and 2 sell well, we can expect a lot more of these gamecube games and possibly even Wii (due to their chipset similarity). I am for it.
@mikeclark4480
@mikeclark4480 11 ай бұрын
I so want this to be a thing.
@caviar_dreamz
@caviar_dreamz 11 ай бұрын
Punch Out was ported to the Shield so Wii games are on the table if Nintendo cares enough.
@TestTypeG
@TestTypeG 11 ай бұрын
They took the exact same approach with Mario Galaxy on Switch, CPU instructions native but graphics emulated. Not sure about Mario Sunshine.
@guily6669
@guily6669 11 ай бұрын
I totally don't care cause paying 50eur for just a few MB of some 20 year old ROM... Specially when you can just download it and run on other emulator with upgraded textures+AA and whatever on your phone, PC, modded consoles... 50eur for a remaster must be a complete remaster. Ps: I like a proper remaster when it's well done but nothing is anywhere close than a true good proper remake.
@alibabaschultz352
@alibabaschultz352 11 ай бұрын
@@guily6669Great works of art should never be remade, unless it's absolutely necessary.
@Zinkolo
@Zinkolo 11 ай бұрын
The biggest issue with these ports is that they ruined the motion controls for the sake of matching them with the equally worse motion controls of Pikmin 4. You can't aim your cursor independent of the character movement direction and you can aim it at all times meaning you have to hold 'A' and avoid moving if you don't want it to go off in the wrong direction.
@Mischievous_Mr_L
@Mischievous_Mr_L 6 ай бұрын
EXACTLY
@hakimmika2379
@hakimmika2379 11 ай бұрын
We need a port of Eternal Darkness, Skies of Arcadia Legends, F-Zero GX and the Phantasy star Online games.
@thanksbetotap
@thanksbetotap 11 ай бұрын
This. So much.
@AkiraFollower
@AkiraFollower 5 ай бұрын
Eternal Darkness most of all!!
@Nu_Merick
@Nu_Merick 11 ай бұрын
every time he said "these titles 20 years ago" i die on the inside a little :'))
@omegawii
@omegawii 11 ай бұрын
Tom maybe the game's logic is tied to the frame rate. I remember back on the Gamecube on the final boss, it is possible to drop the frame rate if you explode a bunch of bomb rocks but doing so would slow down the game.
@ErenTheWarcriminal
@ErenTheWarcriminal 11 ай бұрын
I was waiting for this video thank you ❤❤❤
@theshinken
@theshinken 11 ай бұрын
What I would like to know is how it holds up with the Wii version. Can you use Joy-Cons like the Wiimote and is it as accurate or maybe even better?
@wausjackbauer128
@wausjackbauer128 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for making this video. Could've been shorter and less work for you guys but thanks again
@jcnba28
@jcnba28 11 ай бұрын
Such an underrated series. If you're interested but haven't played these games yet you're doing yourself a disservice.
@guily6669
@guily6669 11 ай бұрын
Can't say I like it a single bit, PS1 was also full of similar generic games... Old C&C and many others were more my kind of game. And PS1 there was also some that we could control the vehicles or command them in strategy and they were amazing.
@GaminylGames
@GaminylGames 11 ай бұрын
​​​@@guily6669man I've played Pikmin 1 before but that's it... hardly a fan but I gotta say though - rough take. This is nothing like a Command and Conquer game and is honestly unlike anything else. As much as I've never gotten into this series Ive always been intrigued by it's creative gameplay mechanics and weirdness. I'm just saying if you go into it expecting it to be C&C you're gonna be disappointed
@AntiBellum
@AntiBellum 11 ай бұрын
I’d like to see a comparison of these two versions and the 4K texture pack for Dolphin
@otakusuperior
@otakusuperior 11 ай бұрын
So glad someone else remembers F-Zero GX exists.
@HenrikoMagnifico
@HenrikoMagnifico 11 ай бұрын
I never thought I'd hear my name in a DF video but here we are! 😅
@fnsonicrick
@fnsonicrick 11 ай бұрын
FZero GX HD would be a guarantee purchase from me. That game in 1080p would be excellent.
@TheSalamanderMenace4
@TheSalamanderMenace4 11 ай бұрын
^ This x 100
@parski
@parski 11 ай бұрын
The 60 fps mods in Dolphin completely break the games so it's not really an option.
@carlodavies9227
@carlodavies9227 11 ай бұрын
10:07 Whoops.
@mattlandry
@mattlandry 11 ай бұрын
Damn AI upscaling FMVs is getting pretty good
@Oxymoron32GB
@Oxymoron32GB 11 ай бұрын
What’s the control scheme if you play with gamecube controller? Is it exactly the same as the original games or have there been changes made.
@hollowowlyt
@hollowowlyt 11 ай бұрын
Since some buttons have been changed your missing some things. It’s “playable” but better with a pro controller.
@LXIVGOLD
@LXIVGOLD 11 ай бұрын
Pikmin is such an amazing Sleeper franchise, Pikmin 4 is so good. I can't wait to pick up the full game. I went crazy in the demo and got over 8hrs of gameplay out of it.
@darthwiizius
@darthwiizius 11 ай бұрын
I originally bought my Gamecube for Pikmin, having got it I realised Pikmin is to gamers what crack is to junkies.
@gamerxt333
@gamerxt333 11 ай бұрын
Wonder if they use per-pixel lighting like you can with Dolphin.
@razorbackroar
@razorbackroar 11 ай бұрын
i turned it on. didn’t notice anythingdiffrent
@ShadowRaptor1O1
@ShadowRaptor1O1 11 ай бұрын
It's cool that you can now take the entire series with you anywhere, but I'm deeply disappointed that all they did was take the Wii ports and make them 1080p 16:9....and still locked at 30fps They had a well over a decade to remaster these games and took the lazy route inside. And now, we're likely NEVER going to get remasters because of these "HD versions"
@yellowblanka6058
@yellowblanka6058 11 ай бұрын
And you know plenty of people bought this anyway - just like Pokemon. Nintendo knows they can phone it in and people with nostalgia for certain IP will purchase anyway as long as it's bare-minimum functional. I think Nintendo is least consumer-hostile/puts in the most effort when they're financially on the ropes. But hell, I'd give them a break if this collection was $20-30, but asking $50 for this is the peak of greed. They basically just tweaked their emulation solution from Sunshine/Galaxy on the Switch, rescaled some UI elements and processed some videos and called it a day. It's especially egregious considering how good MP Remastered is and that's $10 cheaper!
@DE23
@DE23 11 ай бұрын
The Wii ports were already 16:9
@omegawii
@omegawii 11 ай бұрын
The game's logic is most likely tied to the frame rate... so you can't increase the frame rate without speeding up the game.
@BassLiberators
@BassLiberators 11 ай бұрын
@@omegawii Apparently that's not true because this video shows emulators running that game at 60fps.
@ShadowRaptor1O1
@ShadowRaptor1O1 11 ай бұрын
@omegawii yes...that's why they should've remastered the games with the 10+ years they had instead of 2 lazy ports
@lukemoonwalker8444
@lukemoonwalker8444 11 ай бұрын
FYI in the most recent Ask the developers Miyamoto debunked the Mario 128 turning into Pikmin rumor the team did see the demo, and they acknowledged it was showing the technology was there to make Pikmin work, but the tech demo was only that, a demo, it didn't evolve into Pikmin.
@GaminylGames
@GaminylGames 11 ай бұрын
Almost 100% sure this was mentioned in a DF Direct a while back lol common mistake though
@lukemoonwalker8444
@lukemoonwalker8444 11 ай бұрын
@@GaminylGames I mean it was the general consensus probably based on some Nintendo Power interview up until like 3 days ago lol
@thanksbetotap
@thanksbetotap 11 ай бұрын
Yep. It had almost nothing to do with Pikmin.
@matslarsson5988
@matslarsson5988 11 ай бұрын
Dropzone is one of those games that I loaded up for the first time without knowing anything about it and being completely blown away. A true classic of you ask me.
@eathenalexander2836
@eathenalexander2836 11 ай бұрын
Doesn’t anyone know if the physical copy of 1&2 for switch has the entire games on the cartridge?
@treeface2128
@treeface2128 11 ай бұрын
Kinda figured they just threw it in an emulator. Aside from it being the obvious easy way to go, the file sizes for these are still 1GB, same as the Gamecube versions. If it weren't for the price, I might've picked these up. You can get them both physically from Play Asia for cheaper as long as you get the Asian version. The Dolphin emulation results are where the bar should be set though I believe.
@yellowblanka6058
@yellowblanka6058 11 ай бұрын
Though to be fair, the Switch is using an old ARM CPU at ~1 Ghz so it really has little/no hope of running full Dolphin at anything close to playable speed, which is probably why they went for the emulate the GPU code/port the CPU code approach here, to ease the burden on the CPU.
@SessleIsosceles
@SessleIsosceles 11 ай бұрын
Great call on the playasia pricing, had some coins to use towards the checkout cost too !
@gebi151
@gebi151 11 ай бұрын
10:07 i love super mario bros melee
@Lapran3
@Lapran3 11 ай бұрын
The fact that Nintendo has ported each and every previous mainline game in the franchise to the next system shows just how much the devs, and especially Miyamoto treasure this series
@solocamo3654
@solocamo3654 11 ай бұрын
You mean treasure the money it makes them when suckers keep buying the same game on each system with minimal improvements?
@beefomuffin1049
@beefomuffin1049 11 ай бұрын
@@solocamo3654to be fair miyamoto keeps forcing pikmin back into the spotlight since it’s his own thing, so in one way or another it is a kind of dedication he keeps pushing for pikmin instead of older more infamous games like Mario galaxy 2 or Zelda twilight princess
@Playerz714
@Playerz714 11 ай бұрын
Treasure? Nintendo is just the same thing of charging again & again
@gtamike_TSGK
@gtamike_TSGK 11 ай бұрын
They threaten their fans recording their games issue in takedowns and strikes a lovely company
@alyxoj1361
@alyxoj1361 11 ай бұрын
Wow such such respect and devotion for their treasured franchises to release a bare-bones, half-emulated port and charging us $40.
@videogameobsession
@videogameobsession 11 ай бұрын
Is there a physical release for Pikmin 1 + 2 HD?
@videogameobsession
@videogameobsession 11 ай бұрын
I see that there is (answering my own question). Google you idiot (calling myself an idiot). It's $49.99 for the USA MSRP, and will be released on September 22, 2023. Just in case anyone is wondering.
@TechThusiast
@TechThusiast 11 ай бұрын
@10:07 Super Mario Brothers Melee 😂
@GreyWolfLeaderTW
@GreyWolfLeaderTW 11 ай бұрын
In ye olden days of the GameCube and Wii era, it was just one Nintendo of America Software Technology employee who invented a N64 emulator for the GameCube in his spare time that gave us some awesome ports of N64 games on that system and its successor, particularly The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Master Quest, The Legend of Zelda Collector's Edition, and all of the N64 games available on the Wii's Virtual Console. When that employee left Nintendo just before the start of the WiiU era, they found themselves in a pickle, realizing that they hadn't bothered to think ahead to having a dedicated N64 or beyond emulation support team and infrastructure. That's one of the reasons why the WiiU had issues with emulation, they had to port over or build from the ground up a N64-emulator engine and build a team with continuity who could support it.
@TheHylianGuard
@TheHylianGuard 11 ай бұрын
I still think that the Wii version is the superior versions of these games; thanks to the full use of pointer aiming (rather than the gyro only enabling when a button is held down in the switch version), and the product placements I feel adding to the game's atmosphere in an amusing way. There's something quite entertaining about the treasures collected being real world products such as duracell batteries and 7-up bottle caps.
@nielsderijk
@nielsderijk 11 ай бұрын
I was expecting a Pikmin 4 analysis during launch weekend, not this (these remasters were released a month ago). Is a Pikmin 4 video still coming?
@kookamungax
@kookamungax 11 ай бұрын
hoping we get a video on pikmin 4 !
@Frostycrypton
@Frostycrypton 11 ай бұрын
Nintendo seems to have an aversion to anti-aliasing. I wonder why that is?
@mr_m4613
@mr_m4613 11 ай бұрын
Because the gameplay and fun factor is far more important.
@blitzerblazinoah6838
@blitzerblazinoah6838 11 ай бұрын
I can only imagine that it's down to either concerns about game performance or people always moaning about "anti-aliasing" on the N64.
@SnowyNowak
@SnowyNowak 11 ай бұрын
Anti-aliasing has a performance impact
@samuxan
@samuxan 11 ай бұрын
This just seems like an upscale version of the Wii port. The best of those games was the improved controls but I haven't seen anyone yet mentioning if motion control is an option on this release(or pikmin 4 for that matter)
@dun0790
@dun0790 11 ай бұрын
Pikmin 4 yes for moving the cursor around not sure about others
@NotOrdinaryInGames
@NotOrdinaryInGames 11 ай бұрын
They (Nintendo) should use this technology to re-release Last Story on the Switch. Since this is Wii, no texture replacement would be necessary, those are already good.
@nickk3077
@nickk3077 11 ай бұрын
I wish these games got a remake. They deserve to be remade. I mean it's cool that newcomers can play these games, but as is, there is no reason a veteran player like me should get this. I would love to play them portably, but it is not worth $50!
@strangevision99
@strangevision99 11 ай бұрын
I'm happy to have the original textures. I like it when games are very faithful.
@robbyjvc
@robbyjvc 11 ай бұрын
I don't like how the treasures in pikmin 2 don't have the original textures. Though there is a mod to restore the textures
@strangevision99
@strangevision99 11 ай бұрын
@robbyjvc I haven't played it yet, but that's a shame. I've just seen comments saying that licenced products have been replaced, which is understandable but a bit disappointing.
@nickmotsarsky4382
@nickmotsarsky4382 11 ай бұрын
Then you should be happy to play it at a blurry 480i as well, since that would be faithful to the original..
@strangevision99
@strangevision99 11 ай бұрын
@@nickmotsarsky4382 Very clever, I would play that on a CRT for sure, or on my Gamecube on a larger TV. One minor compromise is appreciated for modern displays, a resolution boost. Otherwise, the textures, models etc are fine.
@choopoopoo
@choopoopoo 11 ай бұрын
​@@strangevision99loser
@keaton718
@keaton718 11 ай бұрын
I kinda like the softer look of standard definition, I feel like the graphics were made with it in mind even.
@saricubra2867
@saricubra2867 11 ай бұрын
A CRT gives a depth of field effect with that resolution.
@tolbuv4951
@tolbuv4951 11 ай бұрын
Absolute mastery of doing the bare minimum on display
@GaminylGames
@GaminylGames 11 ай бұрын
Nah they went above and beyond, in a way. They're not arbitrarily pulling it from stores a couple months after release and they left the camera controls alone ❤️ Thank you Bowser
@octoinlove888
@octoinlove888 11 ай бұрын
@@GaminylGamesthe camera controls are bad though? quite different from how it was originally and affects the swarm controls, a very important mechanic. I don’t really see how that’s a plus even if I don’t inherently disagree with your points
@GaminylGames
@GaminylGames 11 ай бұрын
@@octoinlove888I was just roasting Mario 3D All Stars lol Didn't know they actually changed the controls here too. Amazing
@razorbackroar
@razorbackroar 11 ай бұрын
lololol
@BMW-sd6nn
@BMW-sd6nn 11 ай бұрын
I mean considering the series never sells well, this is an awesome release for us fans considering I never thought it'd happen.
@ytjaymz-x
@ytjaymz-x 11 ай бұрын
9:25 so.. what’s up with the glitching shadow there?
@thanksbetotap
@thanksbetotap 11 ай бұрын
Meanwhile… did anyone ever figure out why Pikmin 3 Deluxe on Switch only runs at 720p?
@peterbruin5154
@peterbruin5154 11 ай бұрын
Anyone know if GC controllers are compatible on these titles with the adapter?
@NickJJU
@NickJJU 11 ай бұрын
You can use a GC controller with any game on Switch
@mayen67
@mayen67 11 ай бұрын
tried the pikmin 4 demo, first time playing a pikmin game, really fun, good game and concept.
@leonro
@leonro 11 ай бұрын
These re-releases feel a tad bit overpriced, especially given that Wii games were released digitally on the Wii U at 20€ each, with a 50% discount on the first three releases for a small while.
@TheSalamanderMenace4
@TheSalamanderMenace4 11 ай бұрын
Well, those rereleases don't technically exist anymore, and there's money to be made :P
@mydogeatspuke
@mydogeatspuke 11 ай бұрын
And how does inflation factor into your "bit overpriced" assertion? Money is worth less than it used to be, so obviously companies will ask for more now than they did then for largely the same product.
@leonro
@leonro 11 ай бұрын
@@mydogeatspuke Man, did you just learn of inflation last week or something? That's not how it works. Salaries haven't increased at the same rate, and entertainment prices are purely dependent on what the common people can afford. On the opposite side, house prices have increased way beyond inflation. Furthermore, according to inflation, the $60 Super Mario Bros. would be worth about $170 today, but even Nintendo has never sold it for that high. Older pieces of entertainment generally become cheaper over time, especially if no improvements are made - this has been an unspoken rule in not only gaming, but movies and music too. Just look at steam sales. If Wii games were worth 20€ on Wii U, then they'd be worth 15€ at most on Switch. 20€ would still be alright because I think the Wii prices on Wii U were pretty good, but 25€ (more than before!) is pushing it.
@thickie-d
@thickie-d 11 ай бұрын
Ninflation
@mydogeatspuke
@mydogeatspuke 11 ай бұрын
@@leonro yes, everything everywhere is more expensive but that's not how video game pricing works. You're so right.
@Sword420
@Sword420 11 ай бұрын
I wish PlayStation would release an official emulator for PS2/PS3 disc use on PS5. I'd be willing to bet that there's a ton of PlayStation fans out there that wish they could play their existing PS2/PS3 collections on PS5. I don't even have a PS5 but that sounds like a dream feature to me over having to repurchase digital versions of games we already own. I have a laptop with an i7 6700HQ, 16gb of ram, and a 6gb GTX 1060 and even it's capable of emulating an impressive amount of PS3 games using RPCS3. The PS5 is definitely capable of far more.
@shinobi13
@shinobi13 11 ай бұрын
"Super Mario Brothers. Melee" Man, some part of me doesn't think we actually knows better lol.
@KoolMB
@KoolMB 11 ай бұрын
wish we got a true remaster with updated textures and 60fps!
@rushiosan
@rushiosan 11 ай бұрын
Glad they didn't touch the original textures. That's my biggest issue in Halo MC Collection and something hard to overlook because it simply isn't the same game anymore.
@bigcade554
@bigcade554 11 ай бұрын
too many "remasters" change too much and become more like remakes really. What they did with Metroid, Crash and Spyro is great, but they're hardly remasters when they look so radically different.
@EikeKusch776
@EikeKusch776 11 ай бұрын
Pikmin 1 + 2 are close to remasters with the English localization altering the dialogue.
@Tephnos
@Tephnos 11 ай бұрын
@@EikeKusch776 Why the hell did they need to re-localise it?
@EikeKusch776
@EikeKusch776 11 ай бұрын
@Tephnos They literally couldn't help theirselves. Some humor of the originals may be deemed too much for the sensitive I suppose. As for me, wrongly translating the content and dialogue is a no buy as always. P.S. As far as I'm aware, only the English versions are affected. That's quite telling.
@Tephnos
@Tephnos 11 ай бұрын
@@EikeKusch776 I know they changed the names and descriptions of the husband/wife treasures. Did they change in-game dialogue as well?
@MetalJody1990
@MetalJody1990 11 ай бұрын
This basic treatment would be really appreciated for all of Nintendo's other GC titles. HD resolution, true 16:9 aspect ratio, anisotropic filtering, and a clearer UI are enough upgrades for the Switch. In a way, it kind of is a remaster. Not all remasters need HD textures. The HD-ness automatically makes the textures look improved, especially at long distances. Nintendo has done a lot of sh**, but I'm proud of them for doing this. A "barebones" upgrade for, say, F-Zero GX would look fantastic on Switch. I've already seen it in Dolphin. IT HOLDS UP
@3dmarth
@3dmarth 11 ай бұрын
Yeah, F-Zero GX already looks fantastic in 1080p, as it already has crisp textures, 60fps, and widescreen. (I guess it could use some tweaks around draw distance and background details, but that's pretty minor.) Games like Mario Kart: Double Dash, Smash Bros. Melee, and Eternal Darkness arguably don't hold up quite as well, but they also run very smoothly already. But when Pikmin, a game with a low framerate and fairly blurry textures, gets this absolutely bare minimum treatment, it's harder to look favourably on that.
@Sa2si28
@Sa2si28 11 ай бұрын
Why on this video the automatic translations do not work when the option is available? I don't understand spoken English well. 😑
@BasedSakurai2024
@BasedSakurai2024 11 ай бұрын
My man really said "Super Mario Bros. Melee"... 10:06
@s0lid_sno0ks
@s0lid_sno0ks 11 ай бұрын
finally a switch game running in 1080p lmao
@rcadenow7543
@rcadenow7543 11 ай бұрын
And the winner is : Dolphin emulator!
@FreediiFree
@FreediiFree 11 ай бұрын
I'm happy that it is at least an authentic-to-the-original-experience release, even if it could have used some new textures and 60 fps (although changing character models and in-game cinematics to 60 fps too would be some work). it's probably a little expensive at $50 all things considered. But it is two games recreated very cleanly by the looks of it. I'm excited to get the physical copy on the 22nd of September
@Deliveredmean42
@Deliveredmean42 11 ай бұрын
Hold up, 50 dollars for a GameCube and wii game that are basically emulated instead of a direct port? Dang Nintendo, you and your weird standard.
@jdudbdjxb7687
@jdudbdjxb7687 11 ай бұрын
Honestly, I'm just gonna stick to my modded wii with the OG installed, but I do kinda want to add a pikmin 1+2 switch case to my pikmin 3 and 4 cases now. For some reason, I'm betting it'll be bland as hell and not worth getting
@FreediiFree
@FreediiFree 11 ай бұрын
@@Deliveredmean42 gotta invest as little time as possible for a profit, ya know :/
@FreediiFree
@FreediiFree 11 ай бұрын
@@jdudbdjxb7687 mood. having the cases of all 4 games is just something my monkey brain wants. after I 100% the Pikmin 1 and 2 games on Switch, I might just go back to the emulator on my PC in the future whenever I want to play through them again
@jesusbarrera6916
@jesusbarrera6916 11 ай бұрын
@@Deliveredmean42 Nintendo fans have the lowest standards in the industry...
@HackoDis
@HackoDis 6 ай бұрын
If you read the Patents about the Machine learning upscaler, they talk about it being used in game. They even mention about finding ways to control latency issues. They even mention that if this upscaler had tensor cores then there would almost 0 latency. It's an interesting read about how they did it. I recommend it, I wouldn't call this bare bones, someone had to make the emulator work with the game, someone had to design the upscaler. There was effort put into this game to modernize it, but not spend the whole budget on a complete remake.
@RosbifChaud
@RosbifChaud 11 ай бұрын
Now, we need a Paper Mario TTYD port on Switch
@reyesj456
@reyesj456 11 ай бұрын
Did he just said Super Mario Bros. Melee @10:07 Wow wish he wasn't dared to say it then.
@MLWJ1993
@MLWJ1993 11 ай бұрын
Oh man, I forgot all about this little gem. I think it's been at least 15 years since I played pikmin 1&2. It was quite a gorgeous looking game though (great art direction).
@LeafRazorStorm
@LeafRazorStorm 11 ай бұрын
My only two downsides: 1) The music being out-of-tune on several occasions, wavering like an old VHS tape 2) The original staff going completely uncredited. Not even Shigeru Miyamoto is in the staff roll.
@buttsmear45
@buttsmear45 11 ай бұрын
3:17 since when did pikmin 1 ghosts reflect the color of pikmin that perished?
@Supersayainpikmin
@Supersayainpikmin 11 ай бұрын
Since the Wii version.
@stevensullivan3762
@stevensullivan3762 11 ай бұрын
Will you be doing Pikmin 4 next?
@DouglasLambert
@DouglasLambert 11 ай бұрын
I think you meant Super SMASH Brothers Melee at 10:07
@nuclearbeeberman
@nuclearbeeberman 11 ай бұрын
great you make a video about Pikmin. they cannot be enough attention on it
@Resuarus
@Resuarus 11 ай бұрын
Very disappointing that they just drop emulated versions of these games for $30 a piece but release a fully, lovingly remastered version of Metroid Prime for $40. Every time you think Nintendo is going to start doing things a better way, you realize it was just a one-off.
@vanderquakSP
@vanderquakSP 11 ай бұрын
Oh, boo hoo. Let me play a sad song on the world’s smallest violin.
@Resuarus
@Resuarus 11 ай бұрын
@@vanderquakSP Uh okay? I guess Nintendo is above criticism for you because you love Pikmin so much? Y'know, it's okay to criticize a multi-billion dollar corporation when they put out a lazy product and charge full price for it. This is not a slight against Pikmin, it's a legitimate criticism of Nintendo's business practices.
@jerrysmart5010
@jerrysmart5010 11 ай бұрын
My genuine issue is I'd have liked some QOL changes. Pikmin 1 specially can be a nightmare sometimes cuz the Pikmin spread out too much so when ur going over a bridge, super easy for them to fall off and it's mega frustrating. I don't really mind the visuals, but when you play these and then Pikmin 4, huge difference in the friendliness of the game and that's a good thing for the newer games, just would've like them QOL changes made in 1 and 2
@RetroBreak
@RetroBreak 11 ай бұрын
Can’t you use the C stick to get the Pikmin to walk in a line or closer to you in this re release?
@ivanramos1809
@ivanramos1809 11 ай бұрын
​@@RetroBreakyea
@RetroBreak
@RetroBreak 11 ай бұрын
@@ivanramos1809 that’s ok then! I was worried after seeing this comment, and the video didn’t show any time that they actually controlled the Pikmin either..
@jerrysmart5010
@jerrysmart5010 11 ай бұрын
@@RetroBreak Oh no you can do that, but it's a bit fiddly and I still end up having moments where they get stuck. I just find the newer games do it much better because specially in Pikmin 3 they just bundle together and do it in a really slim line so it's happens little to none.
@wFaRKXMHphsy68zfTw8h
@wFaRKXMHphsy68zfTw8h 11 ай бұрын
super mario brothers meele? 10:06
@ThouzandWattz
@ThouzandWattz 11 ай бұрын
Super Mario Bros Melee? Never heard of that one...
@JuanRodriguez-uv2ur
@JuanRodriguez-uv2ur 11 ай бұрын
Hello, are you going to do a video about Pikmin 4? It looks impressive and would love if you guys give it your two cents about it...
@thedc9335
@thedc9335 11 ай бұрын
20 years ago? Where the hell has time gone.....
@aterikasedi
@aterikasedi 11 ай бұрын
Pikminnn. I love this game.
@francisyorkmorgan1341
@francisyorkmorgan1341 11 ай бұрын
Would have been a perfect port if they didn't censor the dialogue and stretch the UI.
@teero121
@teero121 11 ай бұрын
10:06 ah yes, my favorite gamecube game: super mario brothers melee
@razorbackroar
@razorbackroar 11 ай бұрын
now where is metroid prime 2 & 3 remake
@cosmosofinfinity
@cosmosofinfinity 11 ай бұрын
10:06 Super MARIO Bros. Melee?! You DO have to be pretty daring to say that...
@mr_m4613
@mr_m4613 11 ай бұрын
You guys are a day late and a dollar short with this one, Pikmin is already a beloved franchise and always will be.
@karelissomoved1505
@karelissomoved1505 11 ай бұрын
Nintendo probably learnt from their mistake with twillight princess hd. Better textures require a lot more effort than its improves on graphics
@j.d.6915
@j.d.6915 11 ай бұрын
Nintendo needs to bring back Mario Strikers, Golf, and WW.
@devinlauderdale9635
@devinlauderdale9635 11 ай бұрын
at 10:10 you said super mario brothers melee when i think you meant super smash bros melee
@TheVitaltundra
@TheVitaltundra 11 ай бұрын
No 60fps is probably the only real disappointment. Can’t wait for the 4 tech review
@gramel7028
@gramel7028 7 ай бұрын
Good video.
@cosmosofinfinity
@cosmosofinfinity 11 ай бұрын
I feel like Pikmin should cross over with Katamari Damacy somehow
@Priception
@Priception 11 ай бұрын
Bit annoying these games are still 30fps on not 60fps. Games like in MCC were upgraded from 30 to 60. So I expect that as a minimum for HD re-releases
@Yetaxa
@Yetaxa 11 ай бұрын
many games from this time used fps for game logic, so increasing the frame rate can really mess things up
@Priception
@Priception 11 ай бұрын
@Yetaxa True, but many remasters/ports have gotten around that. Halo is the biggest example, but also RE4 (not the remake) and Sonic Adventure
@CwapPlatinum
@CwapPlatinum 11 ай бұрын
10:07 Super Mario Bros. Melee.
@sie4431
@sie4431 11 ай бұрын
It's a shame Metroid Prime got such a good remaster and Pikmin didn't. Whether there were time constraints or technical reasons we can only guess
@MLWJ1993
@MLWJ1993 11 ай бұрын
It's probably not really worth the investment to redo everything from the ground up from a more niche game series. I don't think the fanbase for pikmin is quite as large as metroids.
@thefilmdirector1
@thefilmdirector1 11 ай бұрын
@@MLWJ1993 yup, these games just dont sell well. Like no one cares about pikmin 4 compared to how they care about mario zelda metroid, yall dont wanna hear it but thats the truth. Only reason this series keeps going is because miyamoto pushes for it.
@SiGeTVee
@SiGeTVee 11 ай бұрын
In the case of Metroid Prime Remastered, all the assets were redone and the engine was updated to the latest itteration, not to mention certain new control functionality was added. Redoing Pikmin 1 & 2's engine to support new lighting would've been nice, but part of me thinks most of the texture replacement effort went into scrubbing the branded product placement of the "treasures". It's an odd case, though, where there's charm in seeing a Duracell battery being treated as some totem of a forgotten civilization. Another reason would also be Pikmin is one of those more niche Nintendo titles...even more niche than Metroid.
@XDLugia
@XDLugia 11 ай бұрын
I wish you would have included a basic comparison with the Wii version that many of us played over the GameCube version. Still a great video though.
@fivejedis
@fivejedis 11 ай бұрын
If Nintendo planned on bringing Pikmin 1+2 to Switch I wish they would've outsourced it to another company to at least fix some of the bugs and issues to make it look better. This feels like a rushjob, something they probably decided to do very late. I'm glad it's on Switch, don't get me wrong but as unfortunate as it is to say, this is how they shouldn't go about GameCube ports. I hope they learn from this hiccup and if more GameCube games are planned to be brought over they give them a little more work and elbow grease.
@WreckItRolfe
@WreckItRolfe 11 ай бұрын
I'm really not a fan of some of the touches missing from the latter two Pikmin games, like the Pikmin queuing up to be grabbed. They also seemed to have more of a mind of their own in the first two.
@RegalPixelKing
@RegalPixelKing 11 ай бұрын
I find these ports to be pretty disappointing. They are good enough for what they are, but they could have been and should have been so much better. The GameCube originals emulated on Dolphin with a widescreen 16:9 and 60fps cheats enabled, with the internal resolution of 4k, with Henriko's 4k texture pack is by far the definitive way to play these games in almost every way. The only downside to playing on Dolphin with these upgrades is the setup, and the 480p cutscenes.
@born_to_play
@born_to_play 11 ай бұрын
This is not emulated from the Wii ports? you forgot to mention the changes of textures of several objects, for example there are no longer duracell batteries, now it is a generic brand.
@robinmattheussen2395
@robinmattheussen2395 5 ай бұрын
These ports are totally fine, if the price is right. Unfortunately, this is Nintendo we're dealing with, so the price is of course completely insulting. 50$ for two 20-year old emulated games with barely anything done to it is insane. The production costs of this package are probably incredibly low. Looking at a game like Metroid Prime Remastered, the price was definitely off on that one as well. But at the very least you got a very high quality and polished product in return. This package instead feels like someone at Nintendo farted it out in an afternoon and called it a day. 50$ please! (And it's actually 50 Euro over where I live...)
@barrylemon
@barrylemon 11 ай бұрын
Time to just emulate this on my steam deck
@martinaee
@martinaee 11 ай бұрын
Ugh… great games. I am getting a physical copy of Pikmin 4 so it bugs me that the physical release isn’t happening immediately!
@RubyDoobieScoo
@RubyDoobieScoo 11 ай бұрын
I appreciate Nintendo not trying to oversell uprezed ports like over companies do. e.g. the Final Fantasy X remaster .
@crithon
@crithon 11 ай бұрын
oh it's obvious your new to this series..... because the batteries, are new textures. In the original Gamecube it was Duracell Batteries
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