DF Retro: Legacy of Kain Soul Reaver - A Classic Revisited on PS1/PC/Dreamcast!

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Digital Foundry

Digital Foundry

7 жыл бұрын

One of the greatest titles available on the original PlayStation, Soul Reaver's 3D 'Metroidvania' gameplay pushed the system to its limits. John presents the history behind the game, examines the core technology, analyses performance and checks out the PC and Dreamcast ports.
Many thanks to Ben Lincoln and 'Mama Robotnik' for their assistance in making this episode.
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@thegnosticatheist
@thegnosticatheist 2 жыл бұрын
It's hard to imagine that almost 5 years have passed since this episode of DF Retro. It's one of those episodes I regularly come back to.
@rizzo-films
@rizzo-films 23 күн бұрын
Df retro episodes are timeless!
@azforu29
@azforu29 4 жыл бұрын
"Your wings, though ruined, are not without purpose. Take hold of them as you leap, and they will carry you across this chasm."
@PathofCultivation
@PathofCultivation 3 жыл бұрын
*Falls into chasm*
@MariusUrucu
@MariusUrucu 7 жыл бұрын
If you want to learn English and have perfect diction, play Soul Reaver.
@KrAyZi3GaMinG
@KrAyZi3GaMinG 7 жыл бұрын
True, its one of the games that increased my vocabulary the most :)
@agamaz5650
@agamaz5650 7 жыл бұрын
oh how?
@KrAyZi3GaMinG
@KrAyZi3GaMinG 7 жыл бұрын
The enunciation , pronunciation of words and the choice of words use throughout this game, some were new for me back then......if you have not played the game, you would have to, to experience what i'm referring to
@bettertobendthantobreak2983
@bettertobendthantobreak2983 7 жыл бұрын
Wut iz engrish?
@agamaz5650
@agamaz5650 7 жыл бұрын
thanks! I am good at English but no harm to improve it!
@MisterBolticus
@MisterBolticus 7 жыл бұрын
I don't know where this resurgence of people talking abut this beloved series has come from but damn I'm happy it's happening square Enix take notice, we're all still here
@tachikomakusanagi3744
@tachikomakusanagi3744 4 жыл бұрын
I want to agree with you, but i'm terrified about what a modern version would look like. A rebooted linear corridor shooter with QTE boss battles, eurrghh, no thank you.
@Kougeru
@Kougeru 4 жыл бұрын
@@tachikomakusanagi3744 I'd be happy with a near 1:1 remake with modern graphics and controls. The controls are the main issue replaying it
@tachikomakusanagi3744
@tachikomakusanagi3744 4 жыл бұрын
@@Kougeru i totally agree - a remaster with updated controls and high res graphics + modern aspect ratios woould be fantastic. And an actual ending would be nice too!
@Cyber_Smoke
@Cyber_Smoke 4 жыл бұрын
It's actually the only square enix games I liked personally
@JalapaMirabilis
@JalapaMirabilis 4 жыл бұрын
@@Kougeru Do not forget the camera, oh my nerves!!!!
@HDico2013
@HDico2013 7 жыл бұрын
The pinnacle of storytelling and gameplay involvement!
@EposVox
@EposVox 7 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see them re-make this with the cut content in tact.
@BE3R-LF94
@BE3R-LF94 7 жыл бұрын
Basically impossible since some of it was re-purposed for later games, and the story is very strongly merged with the gameplay. A goddamn shame, if you ask me.
@EposVox
@EposVox 7 жыл бұрын
If it's a remaster/remake, it's still within the realm of possibility. A 15-20 year "Anniversary" release or something
@rickydo6572
@rickydo6572 6 жыл бұрын
They could also Reboot the series and implement all the cut content.
@nickm5419
@nickm5419 6 жыл бұрын
seriously id be fine with a reboot since a lot of people never played these games
@KeithMyers2022
@KeithMyers2022 6 жыл бұрын
That would make it the last of the reboots as (spoilers) kain dies. Ariel dies and all the vampires die
@claytonbear20
@claytonbear20 7 жыл бұрын
Imagine a new Soul Reaver game using the same tech as Rise of the Tomb Raider...
@RitaMaSTeR
@RitaMaSTeR 7 жыл бұрын
oh yeah!
@ikohforfs
@ikohforfs 7 жыл бұрын
Remake of the Soul Reaver series appear to be my dearest dream now.
@D-NastyNoise
@D-NastyNoise 7 жыл бұрын
That would be astounding!!!
@orijimi
@orijimi 7 жыл бұрын
There was that one on the Shadow of Mordor engine.
@SotNist
@SotNist 7 жыл бұрын
I would prefer it to be an actual Zeldalike still, and not become a linear cinematic adventure.
@BudgetBuildsOfficial
@BudgetBuildsOfficial 7 жыл бұрын
I love all the coverage of Dreamcast games you do, a console with so many hidden classics, keep up the amazing work !
@ValentinoHarpa
@ValentinoHarpa 7 жыл бұрын
Budget-Builds Official hey! I love your budget builds!!
@EarthboundApocalypse
@EarthboundApocalypse 6 жыл бұрын
This is not a hidden classic, for the PS just passed unseen since all eyes were on PS2 arrival. Keep up the good budget-builds, bro !!! (P.S. Probably it was for the DC due to its short lifespan.)
@HarambeKojima
@HarambeKojima 3 жыл бұрын
Blue Stinger is a Dreamcast favorite of mine.
@id104335409
@id104335409 7 жыл бұрын
True story: I played this game for a month and I couldn't pass trough the first gate where a dead body lies on the ground. Then I left this game alone for a year. One night as ai was falling asleep the answer came to me. I have tried anything else except to die. You see, in every single game the basic concept rule is Don't die! And that was the core mechanic of this game. Before that I had no idea that you can die and keep plying. It was unthinkable.
@pegasusdrive12
@pegasusdrive12 5 жыл бұрын
Used to happen to me a lot. Thankfully we have KZfaq now.
@jackhay4478
@jackhay4478 5 жыл бұрын
You start off as a spirit! I don’t know how you missed that!
@gerboog
@gerboog 2 жыл бұрын
Lol... It's literally a mechanic that is shown at the beginning of the game. The tutorial part.
@id104335409
@id104335409 2 жыл бұрын
You guys are wrong. It is not shown in the tutorial. I just went and replayed a walkthrough. In the tutorial it clearly states that you have died and returned as a vengfull spirit. You are being taught how to hunt other spirits to fill up a soul gauge and that allows you to materialise into the physical realm by standing on a glowing spot. When you get a physical body your spirit gauge slowly drains and you are being taught how to fill it up by killing enemies and thus you stay alive so you can move forward through the map. All obstacles can only be solved only while you are in the physical world, so if you die at any point you must feed and teleport back in the real world to be able to proceed. The lesson is pretty clear and straightforward - keep moving, hunt and stay alive to keep more doors opening in front of you. Die and you must hunt some spirits to be able to go back and try again. There is only one message that says you can return at the realm of the dead at any time. But it doesn't imply that it is a needed game mechanic. Just that you can die, but there are no permanent consequences and you can go back. It also says nothing about the world changing inbetween the two realms. This game mechanic is simply not shown. You play a good chunk of the game untill you reach the room with no way to move forward. The only hint you get in this room is the dead vampire body on the floor. Nothing else. No other hints whatsoever. So far the game has shown other dead human bodies, so that doesn't mean anything. And before this room you can walk through the entire level in the realm of the dead without being able to achieve anything. This is the only place where you can die on purpose and trigger an event. The only way you can go forward so far is while you being alive and even entering this room is only possible because of that. Absolutely nothing is mentioned about the concept of moving through both realms if it's necessary. A new concept for a kid that knows for sure that death is not something you want in any game. You play and try to stay alive. This game expects from the player to die on purpose in this exact spot for no obvious reason. If you don't, you get to wander around the map forever searching for a way through that doesn't exist.
@lolzorr0fl
@lolzorr0fl 2 жыл бұрын
Years ago I was stuck on how to kill Melchiah, I literally had a dream on how to do it and it worked😂
@CoconutChriss
@CoconutChriss 7 жыл бұрын
One of THE games of my childhood.
@SaimesierP
@SaimesierP 7 жыл бұрын
this and Syphon Filter
@RitaMaSTeR
@RitaMaSTeR 7 жыл бұрын
Raziel is a badass!
@BIGNOIDS
@BIGNOIDS 7 жыл бұрын
Nightmare Creatures was better.
@leadbones
@leadbones 7 жыл бұрын
BIG-NABZ Not even close. That game controls like ass.
@BIGNOIDS
@BIGNOIDS 7 жыл бұрын
Coconut Chriss the Tenchu games wipe the floor with this, sorry.
@TuxedoCruise
@TuxedoCruise 7 жыл бұрын
The amount of research and production value you put into these DF Retro videos is astonishing. Keep up the great work John!
@mmo5366
@mmo5366 2 жыл бұрын
Was lucky enough to play through this on Dreamcast back in the day. It was truly brilliant in 2000, especially graphically, without the jankiness of PS1 graphics. Made me wonder for the thousandth time why everyone bagged the Dreamcast. Between this, Crazy Taxi, Soul Caliber, Metropolis Street Racer and a couple other AAA titles, we and my mates had many great times.
@justdev8965
@justdev8965 Жыл бұрын
Agreed. No idea how the PS1 was more successful than the Dreamcast. People are weird!
@160sharp
@160sharp Жыл бұрын
⁠@@justdev8965 because ps1 had a head start and already sold so many more consoles, it also had stronger support
@kylemartin1093
@kylemartin1093 5 жыл бұрын
One of my favourite series ever, plot, setting and atmosphere were unrivalled. Hope it makes a come back.
@barc0deblankblank
@barc0deblankblank 7 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, as usual. Please note that the second "technique" re loading is called asset serialization, I've used it in my own games to great effect, in combating loading. Furthermore, data streaming on the PSX, to mask loading, was first achieved in 1998, by the team behind Apocalypse (the game starring the likeness of Bruce Willis). EDIT: Apparently it was King's Field that did an iteration of streaming first, thanks for the correction guys! Finally, I remember having used PSy-Q debug systems on the Saturn, they used to make great tools for most popular consoles of the time. (made way before the Sony thing, of course)
@blakecasimir
@blakecasimir 7 жыл бұрын
KING'S FIELD 2 in 1995 used streaming to achieve a large, non-linear 3D open world with no in-game loading screens.
@barc0deblankblank
@barc0deblankblank 7 жыл бұрын
Good point, but that game never released outside JP, hence why the first time I remember experiencing it was with Apocalypse.
@tzbenetti1000
@tzbenetti1000 7 жыл бұрын
Thanos A. Kings Field 2 was released outside Japan as Kings Field 1 in western lands.
@barc0deblankblank
@barc0deblankblank 7 жыл бұрын
Missed the 2 at the end, apologies :)
@Notastupidname2
@Notastupidname2 7 жыл бұрын
Is asset serialization still used for games today or has technology improved enough where its not needed now?
@XgamerdaveX
@XgamerdaveX 7 жыл бұрын
I loved this game when it came out on PlayStation. It took me ages to complete it and I loved every moment.
@crabbypatty10fefrefe
@crabbypatty10fefrefe 7 жыл бұрын
They should just remake it. Micheal Bell is still around and sounds great. Plus they could add so much more to it to make it amazing again today.
@hkoizumi3134
@hkoizumi3134 7 жыл бұрын
Did you know that Shadow of Mordor was suppose to be Legacy of Kain? How perfect would that have been lol. Go take a look at KZfaq videos on it.
@frosty6845
@frosty6845 7 жыл бұрын
Quetzall No need to stoop to racism dude
@CarvalhoCaldeira
@CarvalhoCaldeira 7 жыл бұрын
As far as I know Japanese is not a race. It's like me saying those Britons from UK. Do me a favour and don't race bait.
@cgraham6
@cgraham6 7 жыл бұрын
No, no no! No remakes. We want Legacy of Kain 6, the proper end of the series. Now that Kain is purified from his corruption, we want to see the pillars restored (or the Hylden dealt with), the vampires restored to their pre-cursed, winged, blue-skinned form, the elder god dealt with, and Kain take his place as the scion of balance. Or something like that. The story just needs to be drawn to a satisfying close.
@GiantAndShaman
@GiantAndShaman 7 жыл бұрын
Quetzall I can't... 😂😂😂
@polytrick6416
@polytrick6416 7 жыл бұрын
If you haven't seen a legacy of Kain speedrun you should totally check one out. The series has many interesting and exploitable glitches
@GMOTP5738
@GMOTP5738 4 жыл бұрын
lmao nice plug 🤣🤦‍♂️🙄
@andrewbryce2707
@andrewbryce2707 7 жыл бұрын
got this for my Dreamcast. great game!
@godzilla7391
@godzilla7391 4 жыл бұрын
Indeed. Me too. Played it so many times
@kylepherson1951
@kylepherson1951 4 жыл бұрын
A tear left my eye after finishing this. Thank you, what a tribute and so in-depth!
@atomicskull6405
@atomicskull6405 5 жыл бұрын
I'm fairly certain that the prerendered cutscenes in the original Blood Omen were created with Martin Hash Animation Master btw. I vaguely recall seeing stills from it in the gallery on their homepage back in the day. That software is still around and being developed. Back then it was something like $199 and it's actually less than that now.
@moonspotroxx9382
@moonspotroxx9382 7 жыл бұрын
Okay, no, really. For any new peeps that are going to take a dive at Soul Reaver, ya have to at least checkout the FMVs from Blood Omen first. It sets the stage for everything, plus they were pretty badass in and of themselves. Still some of the best voice acting and choices in voice actors to date IMHO. Though nothing to get excited about from a tech perspective today, its still the meat and potatoes of the story and enjoyable to witness because of that. VAE VICTIS!
@zeroattentiongaming820
@zeroattentiongaming820 5 жыл бұрын
Kain giving a little description for every item, spell and armor was amazing. Simon was almost as good as Tony Jay in these games.
@johnlacy3611
@johnlacy3611 5 жыл бұрын
What are fmv's?? So I should play a different game called blood omen and check out the fmv's before I play this game??
@zeroattentiongaming820
@zeroattentiongaming820 5 жыл бұрын
@@johnlacy3611 Full Motion Video. The cutscenes were much different from the gameplay graphics. Soul Reaver is the sequel to Blood Omen. Then it got another sequel called Blood Omen 2. The Soul Reaver games star Raziel. The Blood Omen games star Kain. The final game, Defiance has both protagonists.
@johnlacy3611
@johnlacy3611 5 жыл бұрын
Zero Attention Gaming hell yah man thanks! I've always wanted to play this game back in the ps2 days I'm prob going to do emulation on a jail broke ps3
@zeroattentiongaming820
@zeroattentiongaming820 5 жыл бұрын
@@johnlacy3611 You can get both Blood Omen and Soul Reaver on the ps store for ps3. No idea for the other games though. Been trying to get a ps2 emulator running all night with no luck.
@cgraham6
@cgraham6 7 жыл бұрын
To be fair, the first Blood Omen was never meant to have a sequel. This is evidenced by the choice the player can make at the end. The entire rest of the series is written around the assumption that Kain "refused the sacrifice" at the pillars, rather than make the sacrifice. Anyway, good to see what I consider to be, to this day, the best story-driven series in gaming, still making the KZfaqs.
@NA1c158
@NA1c158 4 жыл бұрын
Silicon knights actually wanted to make a prequel about vorador at one point but they cancelled it soon into development.
@RainaAudron
@RainaAudron 7 жыл бұрын
Expertly written video! Informative and interesting, I got hooked even though I already knew most of it. Was pleasantly surprised you guys used some of my Beta footage there, thanks for the credit!
@ivopranjic9976
@ivopranjic9976 7 жыл бұрын
So awesome seeing this great series get some attention from you guys. Great content as usual!
@Punisher6791
@Punisher6791 7 жыл бұрын
Ive got a copy of soul reaver that is still factory sealed and has never been opened. Update as of 05/14/2022 i still have it and its still sealed.
@Edexote
@Edexote 7 жыл бұрын
And what's the point in that?
@ThatOldSchoolMagic
@ThatOldSchoolMagic 7 жыл бұрын
its a collectors thing i do it too honestly with other games.
@cynthiabadilla159
@cynthiabadilla159 6 жыл бұрын
Punisher6791 I‘ll buy it
@wizzgamer
@wizzgamer 5 жыл бұрын
Punisher6791 Open it and play it.
@DebugMenu
@DebugMenu 7 жыл бұрын
New DF Retro! *slams "WATCH NOW" so hard mouse explodes into tiny pieces*
@landonkilleen
@landonkilleen 7 жыл бұрын
Get a higher quality mouse, I recommend the Logitech G502 Proteus Core.
@leonro
@leonro 7 жыл бұрын
Caffeinade Why should you get the Proteus Core when there's already the Spectrum variant? It's the same, but with RGB!!!!!1111
@landonkilleen
@landonkilleen 7 жыл бұрын
A. I am pretty sure that is the only one you can get now. B. I don't own or care for the spectrum so I am not recommending it. I do not care much for RGB.
@gregoryberrycone
@gregoryberrycone 7 жыл бұрын
the only mouse you'll ever need is the microsoft basic optical
@landonkilleen
@landonkilleen 7 жыл бұрын
The SNES Mouse mops the floor with most mice.
@theodoulosathanasiou
@theodoulosathanasiou 7 жыл бұрын
What an achievement of a game! I knew the story lore but i didn't knew the technical details and cancellations. Thanks DF Retro for another fantastic episode!
@Zapharus
@Zapharus 7 жыл бұрын
This game was so freaking cool. The voice acting was the best for its time. These videos are awesome. You guys really do an excellent job. Thank you!
@embracerodusk2537
@embracerodusk2537 7 жыл бұрын
I love the Retro videos fellas, keep 'em coming! Honestly, I find these more interesting than talking about new games. Soul Reaver was amazing as was the original...and I still cannot believe they haven't continued this franchise since 2003. Look what Crystal Dynamics have done with Tomb Raider & imagine what they could do with Kain.
@vidsurfer0725
@vidsurfer0725 7 жыл бұрын
The OG is still my favorite. It felt more like a vampire game where Soulreaver felt more alienesque to me.
@enjirube1
@enjirube1 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks John, love the retro videos and I realise that it's hard to produce them but wanted to express my gratitude and let you know I'm looking forward to the next.
@GamingPicks
@GamingPicks 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you John, amazing video as always. When you have playing games for more than 30 years, it's great to review those old games and still learn new things.
@kodemasterx
@kodemasterx 7 жыл бұрын
Soul Reaver 1 DC version emulated on PC at 1440p 60fps kick any present days game ass
@killermoon635
@killermoon635 7 жыл бұрын
But the dreamcast version run 60fps on the emulator, and it you won't even get the fps drops that dreamcast get. Only locked 30fps game will run 30fps on emulator.
@kodemasterx
@kodemasterx 7 жыл бұрын
I have all 3 versions of the game my OG PS1, as well as the the entire Trilogy on steam and finally I bought the DC version on ebay and played on NullDC and I had no problems at all 1440p 60fps
@DarqStalker
@DarqStalker 7 жыл бұрын
SR: Legacy of Kain was the first Soul Reaver I played. Loved that game on Dreamcast. We need a new one.
@russmawson6744
@russmawson6744 7 жыл бұрын
DarqStalker I imagine it was the first Soul Reaver game most people played since it was the first one released. are you trying to say you hadn't played blood Omen 1st?
@DarqStalker
@DarqStalker 7 жыл бұрын
I did not play Blood Omen first. I didn't even know about the series until I played Soul Reaver.
@dakar4154
@dakar4154 7 жыл бұрын
this channel is absolutely awesome. every time i watch DF retro i want to replay discussed game asap. Thanks for the great job & I'm looking forward for next episodes.
@Steadysphere
@Steadysphere 7 жыл бұрын
When DF Retro enters my subs box, nothing else matters. Another awesome analysis and the backstory to this one was fascinating
@civarello7751
@civarello7751 7 жыл бұрын
You can play the PC-Version with 60fps as well (and in Widescreen); with a tool called SRHook; simply download it, extract to the install-folder and change the settings in the .ini-file. You can even go higher than 60 fps, 120 for example, but that seems to cause odd behaviour. There can be some inconsistencies at 60 fps as well; a slightly higher jump-height for example. But that doesn´t seem to happen to everyone. I really would have liked to see this little tool in action in this video; but nevertheless; great DF-Retro-Episode (as always).
@hemangchauhan2864
@hemangchauhan2864 7 жыл бұрын
I'm kind of surprised this tool wasn't covered. Also, what are the issues on PC version at 60 FPS?
@civarello7751
@civarello7751 7 жыл бұрын
The only one that really seems to stick out is the slightly higher jump-height; it was mentioned by the creator of the tool himself. I never read about anything else; even though I myself never ran into any issues, and I play Soul Reaver since 2012 this way. Also, some people had some issues when they used the widescreen-option of the tool; a more narrow field of view. But that was in 2011, and since then I think many problems were fixed with later versions. But I must say I never really looked into problems other people might have had with the tool, because, as I said, I personally never ran into any issues myself.
@RainaAudron
@RainaAudron 7 жыл бұрын
If you just use it to unlock 60fps, it is great. However, widescreen hack offsets the rendering of the wraithblade from Raziel´s hand slightly. On the other hand, epsxe widescreen renders it fine but with disappearing textures on both sides of the screen due to ps1 rendering limitations.
@FenderUsa
@FenderUsa 7 жыл бұрын
surprising oversight from john
@retractingblinds
@retractingblinds 7 жыл бұрын
recommend strongly against using 16:9 hacks which will show you things out of frame and imbalance the game. Play it as intended to get the best experience.
@MinosDaedalus
@MinosDaedalus 6 жыл бұрын
What about the dynamic music on Dreamcast? I kind of feel like I missed something back in the day with the PC version. And, I know it sounds weird, I kind of like the dithering and low res of the PSX version.
@fallofsaigon
@fallofsaigon 7 жыл бұрын
This MADE my entire day!!! I loved the guest, and as usual, loved the show! Thanks for rocking!!!
@LimitGTX
@LimitGTX 7 жыл бұрын
Loved this game when i was younger, can't believe how much cut content there was. Excellent revisit of this game
@mcrazza
@mcrazza 7 жыл бұрын
Yep, definitely like the additional input from the special guests. I think it's something worth continuing.
@TheGreatStussy
@TheGreatStussy 7 жыл бұрын
I really like this kinda of video of tech analysis of old games. MGS1 totally impressed me at the time. Please do it !!
@PortfolioPL
@PortfolioPL 7 жыл бұрын
I absolutely loved this game on Dreamcast! Thank you for this great video!
@sirvick
@sirvick 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. One of my favorite games when I was a teenager. Thank you for making justice to this awesome title. Kudos.
@skirmich
@skirmich 7 жыл бұрын
I remember playing this game after MGS and Ocarina and I was impressed by the total lack of Loading Screens... Not that id cared at the time but it was weird not seeing black screens dividing map areas.
@MajorPhilGraves
@MajorPhilGraves 7 жыл бұрын
I really loved this episode! :D
@Melkiah34
@Melkiah34 7 жыл бұрын
Best DF Retro EVER!!!!! Thank you guy's so much for doing this video! Soul Reaver is one of my most favorite games ever, hence my avatar and name Melkiah. Keep up the amazing work!
@undeny
@undeny 7 жыл бұрын
*THE* *GREATEST*!! Thanks for the memories Legacy of Kain! I will always cherish the fact that I got to play these games and bask in the glory of its amazing characters.
@herohunter81
@herohunter81 5 жыл бұрын
I remember finding a glitch in this game. Before KZfaq. I took old ass Polaroid pics too. The end cutscene can be played in the spirit realm. At the giant door hit the phase shift up against the door. Fun.
@battleroyale1056
@battleroyale1056 7 жыл бұрын
Legacy of Kain = Godlike
@MrRadishface
@MrRadishface 7 жыл бұрын
DF retro is by far my favorite thing about this channel.
@Latchfpv
@Latchfpv 7 жыл бұрын
I always had a soft spot for this series. DF Retro continues to own. The guest was a real treat, and I certainly hope we'll have more in the future. The more information the better!
@koilkondaraviteja9945
@koilkondaraviteja9945 7 жыл бұрын
this is one of those segments in df where all the cancerous comments disappear...i love this retro videos ....keep them coming df...
@Gandalf_the_Black_
@Gandalf_the_Black_ 7 жыл бұрын
tej films Not all of them. Just most of them
@AlvarezAzel
@AlvarezAzel 7 жыл бұрын
Is the Metropolis Street Racer for the Dreamcast on the shelf to the right of the screen a hint at what DF Retro will come next? I sure hope so but i'm probably over thinking it. Awesome video though, absolutely love this game on the Dreamcast.
@DarkUSS
@DarkUSS 7 жыл бұрын
OMG! I was hoping DF Retro would feature Soul Reaver at some point. Glad you guys finally did it.
@balaam_7087
@balaam_7087 7 жыл бұрын
Constantly impressed with the amount of time and effort invested in each DF video. The production values are excellent. Keep up the good work
@brpadington
@brpadington 5 жыл бұрын
The hype for this game before release was unreal. I remember eagerly reading new issues of PSM to find out if it was coming out or not.
@mazimadu
@mazimadu 7 жыл бұрын
Kain: "I have seen the beginning and end of our tale, and the story is crude and ill-conceived. We must rewrite the ending of it." Raziel: (After seeing all the cut content)"Yo dog, that's some BULLSHIT right there and you know it!"
@SirSmilingPhantom
@SirSmilingPhantom 6 жыл бұрын
They didn't make him good - they made him morally grey. He killed Raziel to stop their destiny.
@revirtv1425
@revirtv1425 5 жыл бұрын
Just wanna say, you got me hyped af with the music and opening to this vid. Love these games!
@realevostevo
@realevostevo 6 жыл бұрын
I never realized the development of this game was so hectic. Considering the difference in gameplay style from Blood Omen, I guess it makes sense. I'm glad it turned out the way it did, even if it's unfortunate that so much content was cut. So many things I didn't know about in this video, great coverage John! 👍🏻
@BathroomTile
@BathroomTile 7 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, the best way to play this has to be PS1 emulation. For me at least, when it comes to original artistic vision vs. image quality, I prefer to conserve original artistic vision. That's why if I can't run a pc game at max settings, I'd rather lower resolution and turn everything max, than to play a hi-rez worse version of the game. Same applies here. I don't know why the host didn't mention this when he was comparing the PS1 and DC versions, but in various instances, the DC lacked certain mood-enhancing color grading. A room meant to be a deep, spectral green with warping lights on the ground, becomes simply bluer and slightly less saturated, like it lacks a layer of color post processing in the DC version. Also, while it is good that the DC version eliminates fog to show more of the map, the way it eliminates it all is again detrimental to the atmosphere of the game. A better solution would have been to keep the fog's starting point, but push the end further away, so as to coat the level in atmosphere while still allowing you to see the level. As it stands I prefer lower visibility to an atmosphere-less version. As to the higher polygon character models of the DC, while they are a good addition, I think they somewhat clash with how low-poly the rest of the models remain. And they don't really add that much to the feel of the game. If you can tolerate everything else in lower polygon counts, you can tolerate Raziel and Kain being low-poly. These change in visuals are enough for me to prefer the PS1 version with its fog distance, texture bending and lower frame-rate limitations. At least by emulating you can play it in higher resolutions, so there's a bonus there.
@dejiko
@dejiko 4 жыл бұрын
That's just a long essay to justify your nostalgia.
@tachikomakusanagi3744
@tachikomakusanagi3744 4 жыл бұрын
I totally agree, simply increasing resolution, framerate and draw distance does not make for a better game. I also much prefer the pixellated playstation version, it has vastly better atmosphere. The Dreamcast (and PC) version is for me like remaking Alien with ultra high power spolights all over the set. Sure, you can see more detail, but something more important is lost.
@dejiko
@dejiko 4 жыл бұрын
@@tachikomakusanagi3744 "simply increasing resolution, framerate and draw distance does not make for a better game" Uhh, about that.
@tachikomakusanagi3744
@tachikomakusanagi3744 4 жыл бұрын
@@dejiko yes, your point being? Sorry if i missed something, but I don't follow. A playstation version with a consistent 30fps would be the perfect version of this game in my opinion, keeping everything else the same. Sometimes low res and low draw distances give a strong dark mood to a game. I'm just a retro game fan though who started off with a ZX Spectrum, so i might be biased :)
@dejiko
@dejiko 4 жыл бұрын
@@tachikomakusanagi3744 Better framerate is almost always a positive, think of cross-gen releases that performed horribly on their (generally) home console. Sometimes higher framerate can ruin a game when the physics are tied to the framerate but that's quite odd.
@cheshirekershaw
@cheshirekershaw 7 жыл бұрын
This was a productive guest.
@CJTranceAddiction
@CJTranceAddiction 4 жыл бұрын
Still one of the finest soundtracks in gaming. Man, so much atmosphere and creates a truly unsettling environment. Very unique and powerful soundtrack. Amazing game. This game NEEDS a remake on the level of Demon's Souls on PS4/PS5.
@DenLeonRX
@DenLeonRX 2 жыл бұрын
Still one of the best videos John has ever made. Love it!
@GigaGom
@GigaGom 6 жыл бұрын
i always felt there was a loss in the transition from the dithered gritty looks of the PS1 that i feel really helped sell the bleak world, the mild warping acting like a subtle but constant reminder of the unsettling nature of the world youre in, but maybe thats just me
@CJTranceAddiction
@CJTranceAddiction 4 жыл бұрын
Ummm yeah it's just you I think. I get it, the PS1 was popular and the DC failed but....I just got this on DC emulator and you gotta be a fanboy to think the ps1 version is superior. No question playing the DC on emulator in HD is like playing a remastered version and almost feels like playing this game for the first time. You cannot beat 60 fps gameplay. It feels awesome in this game.
@GigaGom
@GigaGom 4 жыл бұрын
@@CJTranceAddiction I've played it on emulators and such and yeah the fps is nice but for me the atmosphere and overall look of it loses something. It's like having that smooth filter on Sprite based games for me that takes away from the original look & vibe.
@GigaGom
@GigaGom 4 жыл бұрын
Not to say how you feel is wrong. I understand why you like it and agree the game plays better.
@CJTranceAddiction
@CJTranceAddiction 4 жыл бұрын
@@GigaGom Well, there you go. That's the difference between us. I happen to prefer the smoothing on all my sprite-based game. SotN looks better to me with the XBRZ freescale. Anyway, to each their own. I played it first on PS1 and loved it but to me the game is even more immersive on dreamcast. The world feels more "alive."
@MinosDaedalus
@MinosDaedalus 4 жыл бұрын
I totally get you. I couldn't stop thinking the same while simultaneously thinking: the DC version looks objectively better with higher res, farther view distance and better motion clarity due to higher fps. However, the old, muddy and dirty textures, the rough edges of the PS1 version definitely have their own charm. And I'm a little bit torn but I think I actually prefer the PS1 looks slightly over the DC's. I never saw the fog as a technological shortcoming but rather atmospheric device like in Silent Hill 2 and far view distance is luckily not important for the gameplay of Soul Reaver since there's no real ranged combat. As you said it, it works in favour of the unsettling nature. Of course I'm also biased because I never experienced the DC version as a child, hence the looks of the PSX version is what's been burned onto my memory. I can still play it and look at it without the urge to rip out my eyeballs; there's a strange and grotesque beauty in those rough visuals.
@meteormedia7021
@meteormedia7021 7 жыл бұрын
This series really needs a good reboot like right fuckin now!
@MaxHimbigger
@MaxHimbigger 6 жыл бұрын
NO! Not a reboot. I don't want dead sun to become a reality. A remaster would be great though.
@FelixS.
@FelixS. 6 жыл бұрын
NO! It needs a sequel.
@ThePreciseClimber
@ThePreciseClimber 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, yes a reboot. As beloved as this series is, it's still a fucking mess. Unfinished levels, cut content, Blood Omen 2... This story deserves a retelling. A more polished one, with the flaws ironed out.
@ganjaman59650
@ganjaman59650 6 жыл бұрын
the story is perfect as it is, just watch the 6hours video that tell it from all the games, it's better than any movie.
@hobojoe9337
@hobojoe9337 6 жыл бұрын
No, we saw what a reboot holds in that awful dark sun abomination. The story is absolutely perfect and needs no change. Doing so would be art defacement. The gameplay was always incidental and is the only thing that should be subject to change. Any further games seem impossible as I can't imagine any modern developers wanting to keep the Elizabethan flair to the dialogue and story. Remasters are really the only choice.
@IamTheGreatCornholioo
@IamTheGreatCornholioo 5 жыл бұрын
this is my fav gaming channel :D I love all the technical details
@IKvASS
@IKvASS 7 жыл бұрын
This must be the greatest game I played in my childhood, thank you for bringing back the memories.
@zanychelly
@zanychelly 7 жыл бұрын
Great episode This game deserves a reboot, I imagine it would look great running in the Rise of the Tomb Raider engine.
@GMOTP5738
@GMOTP5738 4 жыл бұрын
How about you dumbasses stop "imagining" remakes the game doesn't need one if you can't be satisfied with the original then you aren't a true fan of the game, you're just some normie dumbshit who watched some youtuber/streamer LP it and are automatically a fan just because which is cringy AF 🤦‍♂️🙄
@beelzeboss9631
@beelzeboss9631 4 жыл бұрын
@@GMOTP5738 all right gatekeeper
@emdea
@emdea 7 жыл бұрын
Best story in a game series imo
@McCann-fo1un
@McCann-fo1un 7 жыл бұрын
Another fantastic episode! I love these! :-)
@Dukefazon
@Dukefazon 6 жыл бұрын
The music you started up gave me immediate goosebumps. I love this game!
@foreignsgamingtech
@foreignsgamingtech 7 жыл бұрын
Brings a tear to my eye. Wonder how Amy is doing at EA...
@vladdyboy2612
@vladdyboy2612 6 жыл бұрын
Not great
@Ohem1
@Ohem1 6 жыл бұрын
I concur, though she hasn't changed her employment on social media so it 's insinuated she's holding on to the Star Wars project. But man I really want her back writing the next LoK and pitch a new game.
@TheMetalGaia
@TheMetalGaia 6 жыл бұрын
Just left EA this week lmao
@deavonw
@deavonw 5 жыл бұрын
Long gone likely burned out like all the other talent EA exploits
@kpag3030
@kpag3030 5 жыл бұрын
foreign's gaming tech Not good. Don’t think she is working with them anymore
@TheFreeToaster
@TheFreeToaster 7 жыл бұрын
Alas, poor Nupraptor I knew him well. Well, not really.
@wile123456
@wile123456 7 жыл бұрын
I love that you mention emulation in the end, it's nice to hear the options of doing it. If you want to expand it, you could also talk about using custom shaders such as reshade in these emulators or the PC ports to showcase how you can further enhance the visuals
@RetroDeathReviews666
@RetroDeathReviews666 7 жыл бұрын
Bless your soul for doing this. My 2nd favorite series ever.
@davydluan5
@davydluan5 7 жыл бұрын
Gex Engine Masterrace!
@RainaAudron
@RainaAudron 7 жыл бұрын
Haha, indeed!
@cyphaborg6598
@cyphaborg6598 7 жыл бұрын
It's funny how people always seem to resort to the N64 being more powerful because they know the PSX is a 32bit machine.Yes it's just those numbers that made people believe the system having more technical capabilities while cartridges were technically inferior. Just to show people the actual weakness of the N64 *While the N64 had some impressive specifications compared to the PlayStation and Saturn on paper, the reality was much different. The RCP, while a very advanced design for 1996, had a serious crutch in that it only had 4Kb of texture memory (compared to the PlayStation which had 1Mb of dedicated video memory, a variable amount could be dedicated to textures). This meant that developers had to make serious concessions in texture design. Two common solutions were to either tile small textures across a surface or resort to Gouraud shading of polygons instead of proper textures. Many games (Mario 64 being an example) used Gouraud shading heavily to make up for a lack of texturing. This contributed to the cartoony look of many N64 titles as opposed to a more realistic look of competing PlayStation games. Gouraud shading is a shading technique used in 3D games that allows light to be properly rendered on models. It is not the same as texturing, it is a shader, however in the case of the N64 solid color textures with heavy Gouraud shading are used to create the illusion of detail when textures cannot be used.* ~Solidstategamer~
@joefoft1489
@joefoft1489 7 жыл бұрын
Wow. Well done! This is definitely one of my favorite game series of all time and it's great to get a little history of the development. I sure hope they make another one some day. Hell...give me a remastered box set and I'll hand over my money right now.
@rarb1992
@rarb1992 7 жыл бұрын
The second game i have played on PS1 an still have the best history about vampires, my childhood so many hours, thanks DF this is absolute fantastic!
@mtoad
@mtoad 7 жыл бұрын
Looks best on the PS1 by far. The grimy, pixelated, dithered, warped visuals suit the look and atmosphere of the game perfectly. It loses a lot when it's cleaned up.
@gabelogan1282
@gabelogan1282 7 жыл бұрын
mtoad Sorry opinions are not fact the DreamCast version was the better version
@mtoad
@mtoad 7 жыл бұрын
Gabe Logan Sorry opinions are not fact the PS1 version was the better version
@brunettebird57
@brunettebird57 6 жыл бұрын
Sorry opinions are not fact, the dreamcast version is the best.
@vaevictis_
@vaevictis_ 5 жыл бұрын
Sorry facts are not opinion the PS1 version was the better version
@SiCkMiNiMaLsTyLe
@SiCkMiNiMaLsTyLe 5 жыл бұрын
Sorry opinions are not fact, the Dreamcast version is clearly the best... ALTHOUGH I agree on the fact that the PS1 color scheme (spectral realm is greener on PS1, it looks just more eerie than the washed up blue hue on DC or PC imo) and tech limitations (call me crazy but the fog made the world look larger than it actually was) in a weird way added up to the game's atmosphere.
@BE3R-LF94
@BE3R-LF94 7 жыл бұрын
The PC version can run in widescreen and there's a fix to unlock the framerate (for a long time now). Pity about the music and controls though. Please check PCGamingWiki before making a comparison video next time, just to make sure you aren't missing anything.
@TonyRedgrave1501
@TonyRedgrave1501 6 жыл бұрын
The character models and environments are still less detailed as the Dreamcast version.
@Birmanncat
@Birmanncat 7 жыл бұрын
The kind of content I'm subscribed for. Gread episode, bring more guests in the future.
@chris1980x
@chris1980x 6 жыл бұрын
thank you for doing this.I loved Soul Reavers atmosphere
@David-nd4to
@David-nd4to 7 жыл бұрын
3 copies of shovel knight on ps4, damn youre baller John,
@landonkilleen
@landonkilleen 7 жыл бұрын
You counted, you creep. But yeah, why three copies, this could only mean one thing... He went to one awkward Xmas party.
@David-nd4to
@David-nd4to 7 жыл бұрын
or he wants to fluff his collection
@landonkilleen
@landonkilleen 7 жыл бұрын
I didn't consider that. I do still prefer my theory.
@goldensperm7182
@goldensperm7182 7 жыл бұрын
Caffeinade what theory?
@landonkilleen
@landonkilleen 7 жыл бұрын
He got 3 copies of the same game at one xmas party. He then preceded to hide what he had received. John is a kind soul and did not the gift givers to feel bad. All his lying was in vain as he while he was on his way out, he tripped. Three copies of Shovel Knight for PS4 were flung from his person. John was left feeling embarrassed by the event, so preceded to keep all the copies as everyone knew that he had received them. John does not want one of the people who gave him a copy to come over to see that he only has one copy. Our John is too smart not to know that would obviously tell them that he sold, re-gifted or threw out... ect what was potentially their gift to him. This is my theory.
@user-rw8jf5rf5v
@user-rw8jf5rf5v 4 жыл бұрын
King's Field II (KF1 in the US) also managed to avoid loading screens back in 1995, which predates Soul Reaver by 4 years. :)
@elzabbul
@elzabbul 7 жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks! I hoped that you would analyze this game at some time, and finally - here it is and it's great :)
@borisdg
@borisdg 7 жыл бұрын
Amazing video DF!
@tommapar
@tommapar 7 жыл бұрын
I'm a simple man, I see anything LoK related, I click
@itburnswhenipvp3789
@itburnswhenipvp3789 4 жыл бұрын
Still prefer the PSX version. The colors palette used in the DC copy are off. The PSX looks like having better textures at times (ground 00:21:55). Seems overall better looking to me, darker, higher contrast? Also raziel went from evil looking to Spiderman fan (DC copy). What's up with the eyes? 00:22:44 The PC version outright looks bad. Increasing the resolution alone ain't enough.
@RainaAudron
@RainaAudron 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, DC actually has more pixelated textures than ps1 has through emulators, difference is quite visible. I am not a fan of Raziel´s weird eyes in DC either. Wish there was a way to fix it and Kain´s head kinda floats forward...
@yournightmare9999
@yournightmare9999 3 жыл бұрын
PlayStation 1 is best version except of graphics
@atm94404
@atm94404 7 жыл бұрын
BTW, that idea of putting multiple copies of a file on the disc to speed loading was something the 3DO's OS supported natively and had tools for optimizing loading. A lot of Crystal Dynamics "innovative" ideas for making Soul Reaver load seamlessly were things they had been used to being provided by the 3DO OS that they had to implement for the PS1. "simply unheard of on a disc-based console"? Hardly.
@UPHENOS
@UPHENOS 7 жыл бұрын
Played all of them! Still own all of them! One of the greatest game series of all time! With Amy Henig, composer Kurt Harland and actors like Simon Templeman, the late Tony Jay and Michael Bell, nothing can go wrong. Vae Victis..
@nullvektor9922
@nullvektor9922 4 жыл бұрын
I think the grainy, foggy look of the PS1 version really enhanced the atmosphere of the game. The Dreamcast one looks too colorful.
@adamsanter9385
@adamsanter9385 2 жыл бұрын
It may be an unpopular opinion to many but it's still an absolutely valid one none the less, this coming from someone who prefers the Dreamcast port
@PerceptionVsReality333
@PerceptionVsReality333 Жыл бұрын
​@@adamsanter9385 I loved the Dreamcast it had the best graphics of the time. I had one back in the day but it broke a few years after & it had been discontinued so I couldn't get one anymore.
@ucupumar
@ucupumar 7 жыл бұрын
Please do a video about relatively new PS1 emulator feature called PGXP, it can fix texture warping issues that plagued the original machine. It will be interesting to see the effect tested on many great PS1 libraries.
@bastos9639
@bastos9639 7 жыл бұрын
Great DF Retro as always!
@MarcelSlofstra
@MarcelSlofstra 7 жыл бұрын
Great vid John! Keep up the good stuff!
@maghu84
@maghu84 7 жыл бұрын
Do Nocturne, Blair Witch games, Bloodrayne and the only good Ghostbusters game. You know, basically the legacy of Terminal Reality and The Gathering of Developers.
@Ozz04
@Ozz04 5 жыл бұрын
Considering the end of "Defiance" I thought the series ended.
@NA1c158
@NA1c158 4 жыл бұрын
Not quite. The Elder God is still alive, and the Hylden Lord is controlling Janos Audron's body to use the Device to eradicate all vampires. Doing so will break the pillars to the demon world and free the hylden race, which number in the millions. Kain is basically left at a crossroads. Does he alter time and stop the Hylden Lord himself, or trust his younger self to do it again. And take on the Elder God or another plot angle.
@meaningfulmindfulness15
@meaningfulmindfulness15 4 жыл бұрын
@@NA1c158 reading this gives me a bitter taste of that terrible illusion... Hope.
@sajyho1988
@sajyho1988 6 жыл бұрын
The sound was pure art!
@LifeAsAtlas
@LifeAsAtlas 7 жыл бұрын
As soon as that music kicked in.. nostalgia brought me a smile.
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