Direct-sales Enduro Bikes Review: Canyon Torque Vs YT Capra

Direct-sales Enduro Bikes Review: Canyon Torque Vs YT Capra | MBR

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6 ай бұрын

For more than a decade now, Canyon and YT have been locked in a tussle to decide who can supply the world with the best direct-sales bikes. These two internet sensations were responsible for shaking up the industry in the teens, showing the big players how to spec great parts to a bike and still keep the price rock bottom. To have the proverbial baked confectionary and ingest it too.
The Canyon Torque Mullet AL 6 and YT Capra Core 2 GX continue that great tradition, and are even more important today, we’d argue. While top end bikes costing five figures are not uncommon (£20,000 one day soon?), most of us are priced out. It’s to the Germans’ great credit then, that you can still get a great bike for £3,000 - it’s not nothing, but great value it most certainly is.
What you get for that, in this test at least, is a downhill bike you can pedal. With around 170mm travel at both ends, mullet wheels, powerful four-piston brakes and aggressive geometry they’re built for bike park laps, the steepest natural jank, or timed stages against the clock. And to return you to the top with the least pain possible they both employ steep seat tube angles, dropper posts, 12-speed drivetrains and lockout switches on the shocks.
In fact, just how similar the Torque and Capra are is quite extraordinary, until you consider that each is designed with the other in mind. So like an off-road equivalent of Lidl and Aldi, these rival bikes have remarkably similar products gracing the shelves. Both feature aluminium frames, a four-bar suspension design, Fox Performance level suspension, Maxxis tyres, and perhaps not coincidentally weigh within 100g of each other.
So which one deserves your hard-earned cash? Let's find out...
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@YTIndustriesTV 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for the review! 👊 We're stoked to say that Capra Core 2 now features Maxxis Double Down tired front and rear ☑ As well as our upgraded Postman V2 dropper post 🤘

@MBRmagazine 6 ай бұрын

Awesome, that's great to hear! Thanks for the update!

@dumwee 2 ай бұрын

The price cut/discount makes it difficult for me to make up my mind. I was set on Canyon, but after watching this yt Im not sure anymore. the capra core 4 caught my eyes. Sweden 90 euro shipping, Norway 140 euro. Canyon got cheaper shipping and also include taxes for shipping to Norway.

@mountazeaicky 6 ай бұрын

Next time: please do a comparison between Canyon Spectral and YT Jeffsy ;-)

@Felix_Wald 4 ай бұрын

2024 a new spectral 29 will come

@AdamosFF 6 ай бұрын

I bought this summer Torque AL5 mullet. It was my dream bike, I could barely afford it but I love it so much, gave me all the confidence I needed

@MBRmagazine 6 ай бұрын

Great to hear!

@2wheels1guy74 2 ай бұрын

Hey what is your height and your frame size please? I m looking for a Torque Mullet too

@AdamosFF 2 ай бұрын

@@2wheels1guy74 I'm 173cm / 5'8, my frame size is S, but I am changing to size M for more stability on step, fast and natural sections

@kenalexander8809 6 ай бұрын

I really like my capra core 2 mx.

@jakob7346 6 ай бұрын

Thanks Guys for the great review. I am currently thinking about getting a new bike, primarily focussing on the descents. How would you rate thePropain Spindrift vs. the Capra and the Canyon?

@GOB72 2 ай бұрын

Great review, I was looking at the canyon until I watched this, then I looked on the YT site and got the last Capra uncaged 11 for £4000 🤯 what a bike! Unbelievable spec for the money.

@MBRmagazine 2 ай бұрын

Nice! Enjoy 🤘

@arekjanuszkiewicz7073 5 ай бұрын

Got Capra in the beginning of dec and already came with dd max grip / terra tyres. This bike rides insanely

@E.T_rode_bikes_As_well 6 ай бұрын

Oh man, Canyon Lux Trail vs Yt Izzo would be a blast

@k1ng617 6 ай бұрын

Just bought a Capra Uncaged 10 for $2400 and it actually came w/ the EXO+ front tire and DD in the rear. The shock was a DHX coil in the rear (and the color is kinda well.. not that nice). Otherwise, very happy w/ the bike so far. Only about 5 rides in and I can feel the potential, just need to keep riding to really dial it in.

@solarrover9575 6 ай бұрын

I’m considering a 150 rear travel bike to replace my 130 reactor so I can ride more chunk but still ride more mellow trails. But it seems these, and other, 170 bikes are a lot more ‘do it all’ these days. Great video thanks

@madrx2 6 ай бұрын

170's are not a "do it all" they suck on climbs

@jaad7562 6 ай бұрын

@@madrx2not at all. I've had a Capra for about a month and constantly scored PRs on uphills which was a real surprise to me.

@brandonharrsch8318 2 ай бұрын

I was looking at 170 bikes but ended up grabbing a 23 norco sight super cheap and the 150 rear travel is more than enough for the 30' drops and tabletops at my local trails and it climbs great

@LethWinchester 6 ай бұрын

I got the Torque AL5 for 2099€ here in Germany. Deore instead of SLK is more bling than persormace for me, and the ZEB/SDLX combo is no worse than the FOX components. As far as bang for bucks goes, I think it's a very, very cool bike

@AK-ContentCreatIon 6 ай бұрын

HI why didnt You use more spacers in the fork on the canyon?

@beatslucas 2 ай бұрын

I think now YT Capra Core 2 has been upgraded. I'm not an expert to describe each of the changes but it is worth checking on their website. Especially now they are running a sale which makes it very tempting to get one.

@jamiestratton7925 6 ай бұрын

I sized down on my Torque. 6'2" and ride a large CF9. Never feel it needs to be bigger

@corzabourne2101 6 ай бұрын

When a 3 grand bike is a budget bike 😢

@Mockle07 6 ай бұрын

Really good video as always and I respect your thoughts and opinions but Al, for the love of god stop interrupting whoever your shooting with! You literally stop people mid-sentence all the time, often completely changing the subject! It’s said with good intentions dude, but I know I’m far from the first to mention it 😂

@vlbz 6 ай бұрын

I personally like YT a bit more in general, the frames are seemingly a bit better built, although it might be just appearances. The yoke shock mount on the Capra is a deal breaker for me though. I ended up getting a Jeffsy.

@solarrover9575 6 ай бұрын

What don’t you like about a yoke shock mount?

@vlbz 6 ай бұрын

@@solarrover9575 I'm not an engineer, so take this with a pinch of salt, but as far as I know the yoke increases the leverage, hence the torque with which the shock shaft is basically trying to rip itself out of the shock. It's linear I believe, but school was a long time ago. Ps. The new Jeffsy still uses a regular shock. They hit the nail on its head with that bike. I've only had a few minor gripes with the old model and they fixed all of those. Dream bike for sure.

@Pienimusta 6 ай бұрын

Massive problems with coils on Specialized bikes. Especially Fox coils get destroyed.

@graysonadams2485 5 ай бұрын

@@Pienimusta and just harder on shocks in general. I broke a damper shaft on a hard bottom out on a stumpy which is strut mount/yoke driven

@toxicmale1744 6 ай бұрын

Vorsprung luftkappe would fix the imbalance of support on the fork on the Canyon.

@GaedeRafael Ай бұрын

But you would spend 50% of the bike price

@vladutzzz Ай бұрын

i was thinking about getting a new bike. I currently ride a canyon stitched and i want to ride trails and i was thinking at the capra or the canyon torque mullet dh

@overzero2788 Ай бұрын

Im 194 cm (6.4) what size (YT) would you choose? Thanks

@trailpimp6369 6 ай бұрын

Great review guys. Hey Al I have a question for you? You are 5 11? How was the reach on the torque? The bike you tested was an XL and it has 515 reach. I am the same height as you and I just ordered a large Canyon Torque on E. It is coming tomorrow but I am afraid the reach will be too long at 500? Do you thinks this will be too long for me?

@MBRmagazine 6 ай бұрын

Hi, thanks! The Torque:ON is a pretty different bike to the analogue Torque - it's a beast! I'm 5ft 10in and rode the Medium frame at the launch and it had insane levels of stability - I wouldn't have wanted it any bigger. Hopefully you get on OK with the large though.

@trailpimp6369 6 ай бұрын

@@MBRmagazine Thank you

@2wheels1guy74 2 ай бұрын

Hey, I m 5 11 too and I m looking for a Torque. How do you feel on the L after riding it? And do you think M size is enough? Thank you for your answer

@trailpimp6369 2 ай бұрын

@@2wheels1guy74 I would go with a large and you can do a short 31 mm stem as well as a riser bar. Medium would work too if want a more playful bike. I feel great on the large.

@2wheels1guy74 2 ай бұрын

@@trailpimp6369 Thank you for your help:)

@MTBMOR 6 ай бұрын

I love my Canyon and just bought a Fezzari La Sal. Can you throw the Fezzari in one of these reviews? I will post updates, but the more people know the better.

@MBRmagazine 6 ай бұрын

Unfortunately we can’t get Fezzari in the UK, but we’ll get in touch with them to see if we can test one. 👍

@MarkCalica 6 ай бұрын

I hope the guy on the left gets his neck checked. He has a lump. Nice review guys. Very thorough and I think I’m gonna go with the YT

@Coerced 6 ай бұрын

I'm very sure he already has. It doesn't pop up in a day

@MBRmagazine 6 ай бұрын

All checked, thanks for the concern 👍

@MarkCalica 6 ай бұрын

@@MBRmagazine no problem. Usually if you a lump like that cause of some thyroid issues. Glad you’re ok

@ytbengpf 2 күн бұрын

Which bike for big guys (6 5, 105kg)?

@paulsengewitz2415 2 ай бұрын

So what size do you recommend on the capra ( my size is 5‘10)

@MBRmagazine 2 ай бұрын

Large should be spot on for you.

@Polo-wn8xv 2 ай бұрын

@@MBRmagazine And what size on the capra with 5'11" (181cm)? L or XL?

@KadenMonsonMTB 2 ай бұрын

What would you think of enduro racing competitively on the torque?

@MBRmagazine 2 ай бұрын

No reason why it can’t be done, but Canyon does make the Strive specially for that task.

@KadenMonsonMTB 2 ай бұрын

@@MBRmagazine but the strove costs like 3x more

@GaedeRafael Ай бұрын

Why not use tokens in Canyon's fork?

@dimitarilijeski7586 Ай бұрын

i have a question aabout the bikes

@ssjj9584 6 ай бұрын

Where’s the new Commencal V5 🔥🔥🔥

@dumdumbababoe8421 Ай бұрын

Nice comoarison. now i feel i bit more comfortable on what to buy

@MBRmagazine Ай бұрын

Thanks!

@iamjakov9253 17 күн бұрын

So whats better

@shurasne9202 3 ай бұрын

This video sold another YT Capra Core 2 MX 😊

@shurasne9202 3 ай бұрын

First ride in Pfalz/Germany last Sunday 3.3.2024 Sunny weather, cool people around, steep trails, new bike, what a joy. ❤

@AndreasJacobson Ай бұрын

To tired to watch the whole video today. I'm guessing YT for racing/going fast, Torque for bike park/jumping? Plz correct me if I'm wrong.

@McSchwabl 6 ай бұрын

I disagree with what you are saying about Shimano and SRAM. I do have two bikes one with GX and Codes and one with SLX brakes and drivetrain and Shimano is so much better

@MBRmagazine 6 ай бұрын

That’s cool. Nothing wrong with disagreement! 👍

@mediaburn2 6 ай бұрын

2024 is the year of bike shop brands getting there sh*t togeather on pricing. Direct is just too good now.

@finroddd 6 ай бұрын

If I had to choose - but without change anything on the bike - I would choose the Canyon because of the brakes. SRAM Code R are not very good IMO. Have them, don't like them.

@k1ng617 6 ай бұрын

I have the R's too. Really didn't like them. They felt so damn squishy until I "over-pressurized" them w/ their quick release syringe. They aren't perfect, but feel a lot more solid now.

@finroddd 6 ай бұрын

@@k1ng617 agree, this squishy feeling is not what I am used to. Probably will change them with Magura.

@finroddd 6 ай бұрын

actually I might change my opinion - the chainstays of the Canyon are way too short. The Capra's are also short but Canyon's are even shorter. I would say the is a contributing factor for the less stable bike.

@marklouieadame 6 ай бұрын

2-3k price is the right price on high end mtb bike m. Whenever i see 4k to 10k is a rip off to me it is so unreasonable. Ebike performance bike 3k to 5k and ebike goes above that is just luxury just payibg for a name and lot of bullshit

@juanpablocerda5721 6 ай бұрын

I don't understand why the YT has the edge here. If it's $3300 + $160 on tires to get it to perform how it should, wouldn't it be better to get the Canyon and throw a grip2 damper in the fork for the same amount of money and have a better and more capable bike?

@JamieDarlowMBR 6 ай бұрын

Really good question. The test was so tight and I did consider giving the Canyon the win for exactly this reason, it would definitely sort it out. However I gave it to the YT because I think the frame is better, it's got adjustable geo and semi-proportional chainstays. I could equally argue that putting a spacer into the shock would sort the bike out just as putting the FIT damper into Canyon would sort it... just for much less money.