Two Professional Writers React to Lily Orchard's "Simple Writing Tips"

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We Are Not Alive

We Are Not Alive

3 жыл бұрын

Gus Zagarella and Henry Galley are audio drama writers and members of the online indie production group: Praeps. If you'd like to listen to Less Is Morgue click the following link: lessismorgue.com/
Lily Orchard's twitter writing tips are anything but helpful, mostly because media exists outside of Steven Universe and She-Ra and The Princesses of Power. If you are a writer who wants to write the next Avatar: The Last Airbender or do a wholesome inverted version of Goblin Slayer or who wants to tastefully explore boobplate, don't take this advice.

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@WeRNotAlive
@WeRNotAlive 3 жыл бұрын
Surprised I even need to clarify this, but any comment that misgenders Lily Orchard will be removed immediately. Like, use your heads, people.
@shhhh517
@shhhh517 3 жыл бұрын
I like this comment
@shhhh517
@shhhh517 3 жыл бұрын
@@dallasisgood ??
@shhhh517
@shhhh517 3 жыл бұрын
@@dallasisgood my guy were you saying pathetic because they didn't want to misgender/dead name lily or because ppl really do that
@shhhh517
@shhhh517 3 жыл бұрын
@@dallasisgood my guy what
@shhhh517
@shhhh517 3 жыл бұрын
@@dallasisgood my guy when used in the context of talking to a unknown person is not used to say that said person is a male it is used to say that the said person is a adversary in the conversation
@jadegecko
@jadegecko 9 ай бұрын
It's so weird how Lily wants her fiction to be bland, inoffensive, gentle, soothing, and conflict-free. And yet her entire online personality is 'I threw it on the ground'
@enviisyk
@enviisyk 9 ай бұрын
"WHATCHU THINK I M STUPID?!?!?!!"
@henrynelson9301
@henrynelson9301 6 ай бұрын
“WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO WITH THIS, EAT IT? HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO THE GROOOOUUUUNNDD”
@hithere5039
@hithere5039 6 ай бұрын
You think it is some sort of projection? Like, her older projects are so vile and contain unspeakable context, but she thinks performatively advocating against that sort of content now makes up for it? I can even sympathize with making content you don't agree with now and find shameful, but I don't think she ever expressed feelings of shame with Stockholm or that one genocide game she made.... And even if she did, that sort of stuff is not some "old shame" or a "whoopsies". It's very disturbing.
@johndavidtibbetts7320
@johndavidtibbetts7320 6 ай бұрын
​@@henrynelson9301 "I THREW THE REST OF THE CAKE TOO!!!"
@Inky_doodledoo
@Inky_doodledoo 5 ай бұрын
​@@hithere5039 she still refuses to confess she wrote Stockholm to this day
@helpimstuckinafridgeandits305
@helpimstuckinafridgeandits305 3 жыл бұрын
"artists draw, writers write" People who write and illustrate graphic novels: *i have no such weaknesses*
@zzz43344
@zzz43344 3 жыл бұрын
Lol
@100acatfishandwillbreakyou2
@100acatfishandwillbreakyou2 3 жыл бұрын
You think your mortal words could hurt me, you wretched creature? If writers write, and artists draw, then I am ascended!
@aposterous4126
@aposterous4126 3 жыл бұрын
as a person who pursues both art and writing (albeit as hobbies) this comment is hilarious
@nadiar.b.i856
@nadiar.b.i856 3 жыл бұрын
look upon your superior, and weep.
@summere.6860
@summere.6860 3 жыл бұрын
But... Writers have writer's block Artists have Art block Graphic novels have both
@KiWiiU-wasTaken
@KiWiiU-wasTaken 6 ай бұрын
“characters don’t have sexual agency, you made them that way” CHARACTERS DON'T EXIST, YOU MADE THEM
@dxitydevil
@dxitydevil 6 ай бұрын
☠️ ☠️ ☠️ ☠️ ☠️
@meemosteeno5121
@meemosteeno5121 5 ай бұрын
Characters don't, you made them
@HolyAlondite
@HolyAlondite 4 ай бұрын
Characters, you made them
@Starlight-ue8jy
@Starlight-ue8jy 4 ай бұрын
Characters
@ilovecats4499
@ilovecats4499 4 ай бұрын
,
@artvulture456
@artvulture456 9 ай бұрын
Imagine getting sexually assulted, becoming a worse person due to trauma, working on yourself, writing a character based on that, and getting called a misogynistic pig 💀
@maduemeziafrancisxavier6125
@maduemeziafrancisxavier6125 3 ай бұрын
Yes, thank you for your tip.
@giannamation
@giannamation 9 күн бұрын
which writer are you referring to? Just curious
@PassiveSmoking
@PassiveSmoking 3 жыл бұрын
"Zuko's story isn't about redemption, it's about recovery!" Can't it be both?
@MiloKuroshiro
@MiloKuroshiro 3 жыл бұрын
No. Redemption assumes that everything g done before is just ignored and brushed under the rug.
@4swordsluver
@4swordsluver 3 жыл бұрын
@@StormgemThunder its a joke stormgem, jesus
@PhoenixRising87
@PhoenixRising87 3 жыл бұрын
I think denying the Zuko had a redemption arc is an insult to his character and the growth he had over the series.
@bananableu4108
@bananableu4108 3 жыл бұрын
@@MiloKuroshiro That's just such a toxic way of thinking in general like People can get better? It's not just brushing it under the rug it's acknowledging what they've done, why it's bad, and proceed to male better decisions and show growth. That mentality is so toxic because it assumes that people getting better is just ignoring everything they've done. People can move on while still making note the shit they've done was terrible.
@antonyduhamel1166
@antonyduhamel1166 3 жыл бұрын
Zuko - A story about Recovemption.
@ashoka9306
@ashoka9306 3 жыл бұрын
lily orchard wrote a guide on how to write fanservice for lily orchard
@dracopug
@dracopug 3 жыл бұрын
Didn't she also say you can't draw her OC in a particular way? I'm sure she doesn't like people to take personal liberties with her character if it's not in line with her ideals
@ashoka9306
@ashoka9306 3 жыл бұрын
@@dracopug yeah but like her oc is her oc you gotta respect that
@mistergray9615
@mistergray9615 3 жыл бұрын
@@ashoka9306 to be fair the way she handled it was not very good. she didnt commission the artist, the artist drew her oc simply because she liked lily orchard, and lily orchard blew up at her. If you'd like more information, this video was done by the artist in question about what happened: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qrR2rZp3p8DMiqs.html
@ashoka9306
@ashoka9306 3 жыл бұрын
@@mistergray9615 i really don't care for drama
@mistergray9615
@mistergray9615 3 жыл бұрын
@@ashoka9306 Thats fair, I just thought it should be clarified as more than disrespecting her OC for anybody who reads this
@weezerfan1232
@weezerfan1232 11 ай бұрын
That "Don't pair adults with minors" rule is so funny coming from her
@kimchi._.2234
@kimchi._.2234 10 ай бұрын
The problem I find with this rule , despite the obvious hypocrisy, is 'have you ever met a teenage? " While, yes , teenagers shouldn't be objectified or only used to be sexual. It's completely okay for them to have urges, it's just biology! Stop acting like they are saints and can never have a dirty or dark thought! It's okay to let them think something and if you want to say that it was wrong of them to think that, let them be embarrassed by it. Let them cringe at it! It's natural! Thanks for coming to my ted talk.
@weezerfan1232
@weezerfan1232 10 ай бұрын
@@kimchi._.2234 YES i had sex as a teenager it fucking happens. Its okay to depict things as long as theres a reason for it narratively, right? also... i was thinking a lot about lily orchard and seeing more stuff she has done and its starting to become like super clear that her list is so out of touch not just because she is a person who only watches kids cartoons, but also because she is marketing to people who only watch kids cartoons. She has always had sussy interactions with minors and this childish thread is probably childish for a reason. SCARY
@zinkheroofyoutube8004
@zinkheroofyoutube8004 10 ай бұрын
@@weezerfan1232I will say, there is a line between “teens have sex” and actually sexualizing teens An example of the former is sex education and an example of the latter is Riverdale
@weezerfan1232
@weezerfan1232 10 ай бұрын
@@zinkheroofyoutube8004 i feel like i implied that distinction in my comment, but youre right sure
@ultimaxkom8728
@ultimaxkom8728 10 ай бұрын
@@weezerfan1232 Why would you advocate for teen xxx in both fiction and reality? Let's just not step into the underage xxx slippery slope no matter the narrative reasons.
@josciety5579
@josciety5579 11 ай бұрын
“Don’t make a comedy into a drama” >Bojack Horseman >Gintama >Moral Orel >Barry >Everything Everywhere All At Once
@shmargletheone1378
@shmargletheone1378 11 ай бұрын
I didn’t even think of Moral Orel for this point. But damn was it a good show. And the success of Bojack and Everything Everywhere All At Once by themselves are enough to show how dumb of a point it is.
@biohazardbin
@biohazardbin 9 ай бұрын
Dragon Ball, for sure
@Tzilandi
@Tzilandi 9 ай бұрын
Blackadder Goes Forth.
@Jason_Ultimate
@Jason_Ultimate 9 ай бұрын
Even putting aside series, there's one of my personal recent favorite pieces of media, The Guy Who Didn't Like Musicals. Granted, it's more of a horror than a drama, but it's still a pretty good example. Starts out very light hearted and comedic, then quickly turns into a horror-comedy.
@enviisyk
@enviisyk 9 ай бұрын
Succession
@Azestii
@Azestii 3 жыл бұрын
These don't feel like writing tips. They feel like "you can't write this story that way because I don't like it"
@michaelgum97
@michaelgum97 3 жыл бұрын
That's pretty much Lily in a fucking nutshell.
@Tengokuchi
@Tengokuchi 3 жыл бұрын
And also here are some of my trash politics.
@retrouproar5968
@retrouproar5968 3 жыл бұрын
Y U P
@anintellectualclone1475
@anintellectualclone1475 3 жыл бұрын
One of the biggest gripes I have with Lily is their absolute hatred for stories that focus more on worldbuilding rather than character development. Not because what they say isn't true, but because they seem to have a hate boner for worldbuilding in any kind of media. Worldbuilding is a valid writing tool too, you numpty...
@morganyoung3557
@morganyoung3557 3 жыл бұрын
@@anintellectualclone1475 Lily being so anti world building makes her ignore the fact that world building and character development can go hand in hand. World building can explain why characters act a certain way because of the culture or environment in the world around them.
@ChryosSkathe
@ChryosSkathe 3 жыл бұрын
"Only have one straight white cis character" *praises Friends*
@juanjuri6127
@juanjuri6127 3 жыл бұрын
i mean i guess if you go by super old-timey standards (like "is the Irishman truly human" old-timey) only rachel counts as white
@ARCtheCartoonMaster
@ARCtheCartoonMaster 3 жыл бұрын
Man, she's gonna have a heart attack when she watches _Hilda_ , a show with mostly white characters - some of them even literally.
@zzz43344
@zzz43344 3 жыл бұрын
@@ARCtheCartoonMaster But Lily said she *liked* Hilda, didn't she?
@ARCtheCartoonMaster
@ARCtheCartoonMaster 3 жыл бұрын
@@zzz43344 Admittedly, I don’t watch Lily’s content, but yeah - she’s a hypocrite if she likes _Hilda_ after what she said.
@zzz43344
@zzz43344 3 жыл бұрын
@@ARCtheCartoonMaster Oh
@heinrichagrippa5681
@heinrichagrippa5681 6 ай бұрын
I feel like if Lily left her children's cartoon bubble for a moment and watched something like, say, Midsommar, her head would explode.
@enviisyk
@enviisyk 6 ай бұрын
she would turn to dust if she watched The Sopranos or something
@LDFrost117
@LDFrost117 4 ай бұрын
@@enviisyk Don't tell Lily about anything made by David Lynch
@goingunder2548
@goingunder2548 4 ай бұрын
That reminds me of when I was 14 and I jumped straight to the book 'We Need to Talk About Kevin' after mostly consuming YA for a few years prior lol
@rosouko
@rosouko 3 ай бұрын
She'd have a heart attack with no country for old men
@aquarianowl9318
@aquarianowl9318 2 ай бұрын
She tried watching delicious in dungeon - a fantasy anime that has all adult characters aimed at an older audience and hated everything about it, ignored all the nuance, and hated that there are multiple tone differences per episode bc comic relief and serious moments can happen in the same episode
@furmewolfy
@furmewolfy 6 ай бұрын
How Lily Orchard can literally write some of the most vile shit I have ever seen and then preach that the best stuff is only clean and conflictless is insane to me.
@dxitydevil
@dxitydevil 6 ай бұрын
SERIOUSLY, a story without a conflict is like ,,, legitimately pointless
@poweroffriendship2.0
@poweroffriendship2.0 5 ай бұрын
@@dxitydevil Yeah. The conflict is the core element of storytelling that drives the characters and the plot in the first place.
@dxitydevil
@dxitydevil 5 ай бұрын
@@poweroffriendship2.0 fr LOL 😭
@zesty6781
@zesty6781 4 күн бұрын
Honestly my only theory is that the same self righteousness that made her feel special and justified in writing vile shit is the same one that makes her preach bland conflictless nonsense. She hasn’t changed, or humbled herself, she’s just found a new way to be better than everyone
@ElHarmonyV
@ElHarmonyV 4 күн бұрын
The brain knows what's wrong with you and guides you to the things you need to actually heal.
@peterh2223
@peterh2223 3 жыл бұрын
"Slice of Life has always been a more popular genre than action/adventure" Ah yes, the best selling movie Avengers Endgame, the Slice of Life.
@WeRNotAlive
@WeRNotAlive 3 жыл бұрын
It actually makes total sense. Thanos sliced life in half, and the Avengers put the two slices of life back together.
@lucianaproano4109
@lucianaproano4109 3 жыл бұрын
OH YEAAH! TOOTALLY NOT a movie full of battles and action itself!
@mackielunkey2205
@mackielunkey2205 3 жыл бұрын
Really? Avatar is super popular and it isn’t slice of life.
@GabyGeorge1996
@GabyGeorge1996 3 жыл бұрын
@@mackielunkey2205 I personally can’t stand slice-of-life
@KazShiro
@KazShiro 3 жыл бұрын
@@zzz43344 Prolly because of lack of action or some following similar setting/cliches assuming if they are slice of life high school animes.
@yuwomy
@yuwomy Жыл бұрын
"don’t turn a comedy into a drama, it annoys people" nearly every comedy I enjoy becomes deeper than the surface, turning into a drama
@mayorkoopbob
@mayorkoopbob Жыл бұрын
see kids' cartoons, like adventure time! it's silly and fun but genuinely deep and interesting. both can be good if executed properly, and it's honestly kind of bland if a series, etc strictly sticks to ONE genre the entire time.
@IDontReallyWantAYoutubeHandle
@IDontReallyWantAYoutubeHandle Жыл бұрын
I feel like in some cases (or may I say, even possibly most) turning a comedy into a drama heavily increases the quality of a show. For example, Bojack Horseman's comedy didn't really click with me, at ALL. But as soon as the plot started picking up, hoo boyyyy
@PenExploded13
@PenExploded13 Жыл бұрын
helluva boss:
@Vinsalazar19
@Vinsalazar19 Жыл бұрын
SMG4:
@DerpiestGameBlast
@DerpiestGameBlast Жыл бұрын
Isn't that the entire character of Saul Goodman and everyone loves Better Call Saul lol?
@CorvusTheNerd
@CorvusTheNerd Жыл бұрын
Im years late to this but why do I get the feeling that Lily only understands the term "enemy" or "antagonist" to also mean "abuser". You can have characters be enemies and antagonistic to each other without it necessarily being considered abusive.
@CorvusTheNerd
@CorvusTheNerd Жыл бұрын
What I mean is that two people can be enemies and fight because of ideological differences and not because they actively hate each other.
@zinkheroofyoutube8004
@zinkheroofyoutube8004 Жыл бұрын
@@CorvusTheNerdOr they can be fighting because they hate each other and still not be abuse
@CorvusTheNerd
@CorvusTheNerd 11 ай бұрын
@@zinkheroofyoutube8004 Exactly.
@mammoneymelon
@mammoneymelon 9 ай бұрын
RIGHT, how about rivals who are on equal footing? or two characters learning to get along despite their differences? guess that counts as abuse
@knightjamesii7757
@knightjamesii7757 9 ай бұрын
Because the only way you can avoid being abusive is if you never act in a negative way towards the person. Negativity essentially equals abuse under this crude moral framework. Even if it is a harsh criticism meant to help you avoid a mistake, if I give it to you in a sufficiently harsh manner or even just a bit on the excessively harsh side, I have abused you. It doesn't matter what the context is. I could be shouting at you to stop pointing a gun at people for fear of you accidently killing someone but if I call you an idiot in the process unnecessarily, I have abused you.
@ketaminepoptarts
@ketaminepoptarts Жыл бұрын
the way she ends so many of these with "youre a huge turd" makes her seem like shes on the same level of a kid who still thinks "poopyhead" is the worst insult on earth
@sealogic4552
@sealogic4552 Жыл бұрын
It’s also a clear manifestation of an issue I’ve noticed across literally all social media. People on these sites can never just disagree with something. Any disagreement has to immediately escalate to moralization, and to branding people heroes and villains. If you disagree with me about literature, it can’t just be that you have a different perspective. You have to be a morally compromised person.
@ketaminepoptarts
@ketaminepoptarts 11 ай бұрын
@@sealogic4552 yeah i've noticed that too, and its become so widespread that its seems like a lot of people assume that the only reason to dislike something is it being morally bad. like, for example, if someone says they dont like a band, then people will comment "omg what did they do? 😨" as if the band members doing something wrong is the only reason anyone could dislike the band
@dante_0962
@dante_0962 11 ай бұрын
I don’t remember how the saying goes but if someone use insults in a argument then the person lost.
@themechanic9974
@themechanic9974 8 ай бұрын
You don't know what a joke is do you
@QJ89
@QJ89 8 ай бұрын
That should be a drinking game.
@duskianfae
@duskianfae 3 жыл бұрын
"Artists draw, writers write" all the comic artists out there who write their own comics: Well, shit fam, you got me there
@duskianfae
@duskianfae 3 жыл бұрын
I used comics, but there are more examples of course. Artists involved in the writing of their show, eriters who illustrate their own books and make their own covers... no on is only one thing, Lily, and that applies to us as well.
@sociallyineptspider-man2366
@sociallyineptspider-man2366 3 жыл бұрын
I know, I guess according to lily I don't fucking exist
@qoyote
@qoyote 3 жыл бұрын
Manga authors be like:
@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr
@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr 3 жыл бұрын
@@qoyote, Tetsuya Nomura would be the only claim in Japanese video games that that the artist makes great art designs, but he has makes an impossible story to follow through for new beginners of Kingdom Hearts.
@thgritic102
@thgritic102 3 жыл бұрын
Me, an aspiring artist who also writes and look up to Genndy, storyboard artists, and mangaka: Yo wtf?
@Starfire861
@Starfire861 3 жыл бұрын
These sound more like a guide to pleasing Lily Orchard instead of good writing advice.
@misterdewott8766
@misterdewott8766 3 жыл бұрын
Didn't you know? There is no God, ONLY LILY ORCHARD!! ...and Zuul
@renegade6578
@renegade6578 3 жыл бұрын
Are you trying to tell me Lily believes there's a difference?
@guyarmon9410
@guyarmon9410 3 жыл бұрын
Most things are guide to do so...
@anormaluser5750
@anormaluser5750 3 жыл бұрын
It's like a "how to write a story that Lily Orchard would like" book of a hundred pages
@Catathyst
@Catathyst 3 жыл бұрын
Bet if even I try to follow basically all of her advice,she would still get pissed off at my work
@AlphaXXI
@AlphaXXI 8 ай бұрын
As a gay man, I hate this idea that characters shoul never conform to stereotypes. Lots of people in real-life do, the key to me seems to be to make them fully-fledged people with their own internal complexities, conflicts, motivations, and reasons why they feel more comfortable being this way. Flamboyant gay men exist and have the right to representation too, especially since for many it's as a deconstruction of gender norms, and we don't necessarily need a token manly gay to contrast him to, at some point it's falling into a whole bunch of different clichés. There's always room for nuance in fiction.
@themechanic9974
@themechanic9974 8 ай бұрын
Yeah but she didn't say never she's said don't make your only "blank" character "stereotype"
@AlphaXXI
@AlphaXXI 7 ай бұрын
@@themechanic9974 And even that lacks a lot of nuance. It's a generalization based on bad uses of tropes, but you can always find ways to use a trope in a more meaningful way, even if your "blank" character conforms to sterotypes about "blank" and is the only "blank" character in the story. It all depends on context, who wrote it that way and why.
@VivienVarga-ki3sd
@VivienVarga-ki3sd Ай бұрын
themechanic9974 shut up simp. You are abelist anyway.
@maxkalbach2438
@maxkalbach2438 11 ай бұрын
Coming back to rewatch this for the fourth or fifth time and realizing something interesting: Lily's standard for a "good character" is not a character who is interesting, or one who is entertaining, or one who serves the story well. It's all about making a character that represents an ideal, supports a specific standard and gets a very specific reaction from the right kind of people. It has nothing to do with the actual story the character is a part of.
@SpiderandMosquito
@SpiderandMosquito 11 ай бұрын
You got her. My assessment of it is that Lily's standard of quality has almost nothing to do with the merit of the work of fiction, and basically everything to do with how many tropes does it have that she likes vs how many she dislikes. Basically, "I approve of what happens in this show, therefore it is good." That's just not criticism.
@denjidenji9162
@denjidenji9162 10 ай бұрын
She wants every story to be about superman. Not the interesting, well written version of superman either. The bland and boring one, that's just an ideal devoid of personality, that's a good person just cuz.
@Inky_doodledoo
@Inky_doodledoo 5 ай бұрын
Sounds like she wants her own fanservice character
@vaiyt
@vaiyt Ай бұрын
ayn rand would approve
@mako3951
@mako3951 Ай бұрын
If a character isn't someone she would be friends with or ideally act like herself it's "bad writing"
@brelonwy
@brelonwy 3 жыл бұрын
She literally said in her Owl House review that she's sick of world building in fantasy worlds. How....that's the point of a fantasy world! Not everything has to be slice of life but that's what she wants from a show that clearly isn't taking that route!
@pheonixrises11
@pheonixrises11 3 жыл бұрын
What’s wrong with magical beings leeching off a giant demon corpse!?!!??!???! It’s so metal, the heck. What’s her deal.
@tkaine7983
@tkaine7983 3 жыл бұрын
I love shitting on Lily too, but I do understand to some degree: I kinda like world building and I understand that lore dumps are generally poorly received. But your characters and your plots rely on your setting to be meaningful. You don't need to provide all the details in one go, but if something needs explaining for the actions of your characters to make sense in their situation, then developing some depth in the world draws people in to your story.
@toxic_shr00m
@toxic_shr00m 3 жыл бұрын
"sick of world building in fantasy worlds" Oh my god Lily why the fuck are you watching FANTASY CARTOONS THEN?!? THAT'S THE ENTIRE POINT!
@lunaticchannel2518
@lunaticchannel2518 3 жыл бұрын
Besides world-building is one of the important things you do when making fantasy worlds
@goddesszorza
@goddesszorza 3 жыл бұрын
It's not that she's sick of world building, it's that there's too much focus on that in a generic sense rather than filling out either character development or more detailed info of a smaller scale world. I.e.: MLP and She-Ra had like 10-20+ different areas of the map each, and like a dozen main or supporting characters, whereas Moana and Frozen had much smaller world builds, and fewer characters, but a much more compelling story considering the character arc and size of the project, regardless of pacing (series v movies) What makes a good story isn't how big it is, it's in the details and ability to portray the plot and character development effectively. And I love MLP and She-Ra, but having 3-5 main characters and a smaller world are much more manageable concerning the actual storytelling. For instance, many KZfaqrs are entertaining people just sitting in a room with a plain white backdrop. There's 1 character, and no world development, yet it's a lucrative market as a form of media for years and years of content. Why is that, if world building is such a superior method of story telling? Why aren't their videos focused on showing off their homes more? It's not only applicable in fantasy, it's applicable to multiple forms of writing and media. A big world means telling stories about that world. If you make a world big without any actual details, then there's really no point in making it or showing it off. It would be like watching the news, but all they do is show the place an event happened without the story. Like showing the Twin Tower rubble, and not even talking about 9-11 or the details of the event. It's not a story, it's barely even a title or caption. No one would understand what's going on without the story itself. The world alone is not good enough to actually say much of anything about a story. That's why. It's not that you shouldn't build the world, but if your main focus is on super old lore that isn't current and the world itself, and not on your story, you may end up with a gorgeous world but no story. It works for games where the player is the storyteller, but not for movies, shows, or books where your perspective is a third person observer. Having a world is fine, but actually use it efficiently. Having an unmanageable, detail lacking world doesn't necessarily add to anything.
@the711devin4
@the711devin4 3 жыл бұрын
These writing tips are all just like “If you kill your supporting character at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="707">11:47</a> p.m. near a young oak tree at the hands of their former friend using a rusty steak knife, you’re a huge turd.”
@pancakeofdestiny
@pancakeofdestiny 3 жыл бұрын
Well there goes my manuscript
@SpacemanTheo
@SpacemanTheo 3 жыл бұрын
@@pancakeofdestiny okay but that actually sounds like a Jojos adventure and I wanna read it.
@k.-flynn
@k.-flynn 3 жыл бұрын
"if I write badly in the woods and no one is around to read it, am I still a huge turd?"
@lemmonboy6459
@lemmonboy6459 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a COD zombies Easter egg
@ajohnymous5699
@ajohnymous5699 3 жыл бұрын
@@k.-flynn A turd is a turd, regardless of people being there to refute it as someone/something clearly pooed it. Edit: That said, I'm gonna change my name to "No one" so I can read what you write while not being dishonest. "No one is around to read it" indeed!
@hairscythe2257
@hairscythe2257 Жыл бұрын
As an autistic person, I feel so patronizing at her attempt at bossing around autistic rep. Some autistic people are ethically dubious numberphiles, and as long as that's depicted realistically and empathetically I don't mind. (And lily's anti-dramady advice PISSES ME OFF. There are plenty of shows that do that really well, like Moral Orel.) And as a rape survivor- in my opinion it's dangerous to act like abusers can't abuse because that completely ignores the cycle of abuse.
@sealogic4552
@sealogic4552 Жыл бұрын
Also, this could just be a me thing, but in the circles I run in, autism really amounts to a cluster of atypical personality traits more so than anything else. If a character has irrational and hyper specific interests, which they understand more thoroughly than anyone else around them, and isn’t the best at reading the room, does it really make a difference if the text explicitly calls them autistic or not?
@weirdcakes304
@weirdcakes304 11 ай бұрын
May you please give the timestamp of the part where that happens? Thanks!
@runeisacringelord
@runeisacringelord 11 ай бұрын
moral orel my beloved
@kyriss12
@kyriss12 11 ай бұрын
@@sealogic4552 there's a reason the DH9 used to avoid diagnosing symptoms unless they started to interfere with day to day life. the medical industrial complex started to get out of hand so if little jimmy started to act a bit rambunctious its Ritalin time.
@mxmissy
@mxmissy 11 ай бұрын
Yeah my abuser was very much abused growing up. I mean I didn't know much about his life, but the vibes I got and the way he spoke about his dad (my abuser was my ex-stepdad) it sounded like he grew up pretty rough, especially since his dad was in the military and my ex-stepdad was a military kid. But also I agree with the whole autistic rep thing as the previous one is about nonbinary characters being a non-human shapeshifter, and while yes, I do agree that that there needs to be more nonbinary rep and more better nonbinary rep that isn't just "skinny white person who looks masc but is very much seen as just woman-lite". I remember being a kid and wanting to become a shapeshifter, I'm sure every nonbinary and trans binary person wanted to be a shapeshifter because it was cool as (maybe not everyone but most nonbinary and trans binary folks I speak to often say this about themselves).
@pigcatapult
@pigcatapult Жыл бұрын
Lily never did that middle school worksheet where they go over the difference between facts and opinions, did she?
@Stickman_Productions
@Stickman_Productions 9 ай бұрын
Middle school?
@pigcatapult
@pigcatapult 9 ай бұрын
@@Stickman_Productions It was trivially easy, but yeah, pretty sure I filled that one out in 6th grade Language Arts
@citriosis
@citriosis 7 ай бұрын
​@@pigcatapultSee I was doing that before middle school in my curriculum. Like 4th or 5th grade, lol.
@j.c.2240
@j.c.2240 6 ай бұрын
I got several of those
@xolotltolox7626
@xolotltolox7626 6 ай бұрын
i'm curious now what that kinda sheet would look like and how much i'd disagree with it
@MewGirlZ
@MewGirlZ 3 жыл бұрын
Lily needs to be beat with the, "There are many kinds of love," stick. Platonic, Romantic, Familial, Obsessive, Unconditional, etc. For crying out loud, I love my friends and family, to death; but I don't think hanging out with them, going to get dinner, hugging or snuggling on a couch watching a movie, or kissing the forehead or cheek goodbye means all of them are potential "partners." I literally scream at the thought. They're irreplaceable pieces of my life, but let's be real, how we show we care about each other is different from one to another and to varying degrees. It's love, but not the kind of love Miss Orchard seems to think is the only thing that exists.
@WeRNotAlive
@WeRNotAlive 3 жыл бұрын
I love you for this comment.
@galeg4021
@galeg4021 3 жыл бұрын
this is why we should speak greek!!
@MewGirlZ
@MewGirlZ 3 жыл бұрын
@@WeRNotAlive Platonically! :3 Also, you guys mentioned some top tier anime in this video. Baccano!, JoJo, and Dorohedoro are some of my personal faves. Good show.
@329link
@329link 3 жыл бұрын
Hang on while I screenshot this. I'm gonna need it for SO many shippers online.
@davidalvarez5659
@davidalvarez5659 3 жыл бұрын
This is all the "shipping" culture is pushing nowadays. If you turn to look at someone and smile, it means you're lovers.
@drillsharkprince2982
@drillsharkprince2982 3 жыл бұрын
What lily wants are small character centric stories where the characters don’t have personalities, and no conflict. So effectively a glass of water
@WeRNotAlive
@WeRNotAlive 3 жыл бұрын
That's perfect my god.
@darrelsam419
@darrelsam419 3 жыл бұрын
She wants those "coffee shop AU" stories where the characters just chill at a coffee shop and face no conflict or development.
@thevioletskull8158
@thevioletskull8158 3 жыл бұрын
That's insulting to water!
@thevioletskull8158
@thevioletskull8158 3 жыл бұрын
@@darrelsam419 That's not fair too Coffee shop stories though because they might have conflict٫I also say stories because it's not a au.
@HeadGodoftheGodCouncil
@HeadGodoftheGodCouncil 3 жыл бұрын
And that same thing is what she complained about Korra, being small character centric stories and claimed they don't have personalities..
@lorenzocassaro3054
@lorenzocassaro3054 4 ай бұрын
Even the "good" tips are written so condescendingly that it makes one want to break them out of spite
@iantaakalla8180
@iantaakalla8180 2 ай бұрын
Furthermore, the actual good tips are so embedded within that at this point these tips are correctly derided as more things she can say just because.
@iluvwinter840
@iluvwinter840 4 ай бұрын
Lily hating the concept of redemption is hillarious because: 1) she likes Hazbin Hotel, a show about trying to redeem sinners 2) pretty sure she needs some redemption herself lol
@SpiderandMosquito
@SpiderandMosquito 3 ай бұрын
Now, to be fair, she did explain why it worked for her there. It was all a fat load, but she did explain it.
@heavensgate2245
@heavensgate2245 Ай бұрын
She definetly needs some form of redemption after writing "Stockholm"
@Grf1556
@Grf1556 28 күн бұрын
@@heavensgate2245 and sexually assaulting her sister multiple times in their childhood.
@DrClock-il8ij
@DrClock-il8ij 14 сағат бұрын
She killed 10.000 people?
@dexstewart862
@dexstewart862 2 жыл бұрын
"Rule 41:Rape victims(survivors) shouldn't be villains" stood out to me because there's an old Punisher comic where the villain was a rape survivor, she was raped by a taxi driver, and then began serial killing taxi drivers. Punisher goes undercover as a taxi driver, and finds her. He tries to talk her out of this, but he ends up killing her in defense. He later monologues that she had gone after the wrong people. If she had gone after rapists, he'd have gladly helped her. Also, Punisher is the protagonist of his stories, but certainly not a hero, which I think broke another one of Lily's "rules".
@Mariodash23
@Mariodash23 2 жыл бұрын
Abuse victims can become just as, if not worse, than their abusers. Lily doesn't believe in this because she believes that they are "justified" in reacting with harsher violence towards people who most likely had nothing to do with what happened to them.
@wiktorszymczak4760
@wiktorszymczak4760 2 жыл бұрын
Often the difference between villain and hero is misplaced anger. I like stories like these cause they teach us to be more careful with our hate.
@starmaker75
@starmaker75 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, an dynamic I loved is that under slightly different circumstances the hero(if they give in to there hate and vices) and villain(let go of there hate and vices) they would best of Allies
@ItsAllNunya
@ItsAllNunya 2 жыл бұрын
A fellow punisher Stan I see 💜
@bumbabees
@bumbabees 2 жыл бұрын
the thing is, I kind of get it because not every abused person becomes an abuser. more often than not, they don't. but it absolutely can happen and it DOES happen. generational abuse is a perfect example of this. a lot of serial killers came from horrible backgrounds.
@alexin4k
@alexin4k Жыл бұрын
“characters don’t have sexual agency, you made them that way” characters don’t have emotions, you made them that way
@SpiderandMosquito
@SpiderandMosquito Жыл бұрын
Characters don't have [INSERT ANYTHING THAT APPLIES TO REAL PEOPLE], you made them that way.
@guarddoggo
@guarddoggo Жыл бұрын
characters, you made them
@Luigicat11
@Luigicat11 Жыл бұрын
@@augustswater7845 " a a a a a a a " - My knee when I walk too close to the table
@citizenvulpes4562
@citizenvulpes4562 Жыл бұрын
@@Luigicat11 Got a good gut chuckle with that 1
@optiquemusic6204
@optiquemusic6204 Жыл бұрын
For any-one who knows about Earl Dube, does this sound like the inverse of something he would say to justify his Attractions?
@drakkenmensch
@drakkenmensch 10 ай бұрын
In Aladdin, there's a scene where magic-empowered Jaffar tries to wish for Jasmine to be in love with him and while he's arguing with Djinni, she notices Aladdin trying to steal the lamp back. She kisses Jaffar when he's about to notice, but the power is in Jasmine's hands entirely at that point because it's CLEARLY a trick to fool the bad guy. Once again, *context is key*
@doggishcat8309
@doggishcat8309 Жыл бұрын
Okay, but, the thing is...why do people have such a hard time believing in a character not wanting to kill people? I have moments where I want to sock someone in the face, sure, but...killing people is killing people. If I found out I even accidentally killed someone, it would turn my stomach. I think the majority of us would be horrified if we went into a fight intending to just rough someone up and ended up accidentally killing them. I never understood the argument some people put forth about how "X hero is okay with beating down on villains but not killing them???" because, motherfucker, beating someone to a pulp is a whole different level from actually killing them. Is it so hard to believe that fictional characters would have the same hang-ups as us everyday people?
@donovanlocust1106
@donovanlocust1106 Жыл бұрын
Because Lily is solely motivated by hate and violence. That's literally it.
@error-try-again-later
@error-try-again-later 9 ай бұрын
I think the only scenario where it makes sense is where the hero is perfectly okay sticking knives in random thugs but angsts about killing the evil overlord
@moonlight_cat_27
@moonlight_cat_27 8 ай бұрын
Play the game OMORI. It's about this.
@wheatleythebrick2276
@wheatleythebrick2276 7 ай бұрын
If youre okay with risking giving brain damage or other terrible injuries to evil people, but not killing, thats a character flaw, and extremely selfish, especially since those villains usually end up doing harm or straight up killing innocents when they inevitably return
@WestGarbage6
@WestGarbage6 7 ай бұрын
@@wheatleythebrick2276 A. I don't know about you, but I'D rather live on with a hospital visit, and some bad wounds, than be killed. B. The villains are going to PRISON after they're healed, so unless they're going to arkham asylum, which will inevitably be busted open somehow, they're not harming anybody.
@TravisBroski
@TravisBroski 3 жыл бұрын
“11. Don’t pair adults with minors. That’s pedophilia.” That’s a VERY BOLD thing to add in from someone who’s written Stockholm.
@KirbyLinkACW
@KirbyLinkACW 3 жыл бұрын
Pardon?
@TravisBroski
@TravisBroski 3 жыл бұрын
@@KirbyLinkACW Oh you don’t know? Probably best to keep it that way.
@bitbit5598
@bitbit5598 3 жыл бұрын
I haven't heard, but I'm guessing from the name alone there's material in there that would make her a hypocrite
@ezrastardust3124
@ezrastardust3124 3 жыл бұрын
@@bitbit5598 lets just say it includes the very subject she’s telling us not to write. That’s all I have to say on the matter.
@SRLovesPandas1
@SRLovesPandas1 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with this rule, but Lily should really take her own advice before preaching at us
@Sarah-pn9ut
@Sarah-pn9ut 3 жыл бұрын
I find it really ironic that Lily shits on redemption arcs but she likes a show like "Hazbin Hotel" where its entire premise is literally redeeming people.
@No_Sleepee
@No_Sleepee 3 жыл бұрын
It's because it mainly poses as a Slice of Life starring 2 lesbians, The most stereotypical flamboyantly gay personality if you tried, and Alastor.
@davidpaul6290
@davidpaul6290 3 жыл бұрын
I have to wonder how Lily would react to something like Bojack Horseman.
@greggsilverson4875
@greggsilverson4875 3 жыл бұрын
@@davidpaul6290 I remember a phrase from one of her newer videos where she was comparing a lot of adult animation to Family Guy, and listed Bojack Horseman as, "Family Guy, for abusive narcissists." Which Im not really sure how she came to that conclusion since even though the audience sympathizes with Bojack, the show clearly states multiple times that he is not a good person. I could try to find the link to where she said it if you want.
@davidpaul6290
@davidpaul6290 3 жыл бұрын
@@greggsilverson4875 Please do.
@greggsilverson4875
@greggsilverson4875 3 жыл бұрын
​@@davidpaul6290 Found it, kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jLtxqJah19mrdGw.html My quote wasn't exactly word for word correct, but close enough.
@adacoleman-ix3yi
@adacoleman-ix3yi 9 ай бұрын
i absolutely hate the blanket statement of "never make a character kiss their abuser" because Captain Spaceboy from Omori is one of the best depictions of abuse survivors i've ever seen and he kisses Sweetheart before eventually realizing she's a horrible person (at least in the hikkikomori route) and beginning his recovery. that entire arc wouldn't hit as hard if he wasn't affectionate with Sweetheart at the start. you can depict toxic relationships, as long as you acknowledge that they're toxic.
@usernamemctypey428
@usernamemctypey428 11 ай бұрын
"Fans do not need to be serviced" "Here is an exact checklist of how you need to represent all the minorities in specific ways"
@themechanic9974
@themechanic9974 8 ай бұрын
She does the opposite of that tho?
@chesspiece4257
@chesspiece4257 3 ай бұрын
quality over quantity when it comes to underrepresented groups. however, i’d argue having no minorities is fan service to the majority groups. gives them escapism from the reality that other people exist
@0rion5212
@0rion5212 2 ай бұрын
I think it’s important to remember that it’s also perfectly fine to write something with no focus or consideration applied to representation. There don’t NEED to be any lgbtq characters in your story at all, if you want to use your narrative for that application that’s totally fine, but not wanting to do that is equally valid. I personally have never written an lgbtq character, and have no real intent to. I am most definitely not lgbtq-phobic, my sister is a lesbian and I have a good friend who is trans. All there is to it is that I don’t want to write social justice advocacy, that’s simply not something I want to touch, and I think that’s perfectly fine. It’s not fan service to the majority groups to sometimes leave certain minorities out, it may just be that your narrative doesn’t have shelf space for representation, and that cramming it between the narrative stuff on the shelf only harms the story. If you really care about representation to the degree that you can’t enjoy or look down on stories without representation, you aren’t really interested in quality narrative, just quality representation.
@GaleUmbreon
@GaleUmbreon 2 ай бұрын
​@@0rion5212 You can write whatever you want, nobody's stopping you. But this does somewhat read as there being... sort of a misunderstanding about the subject? Including minority characters doesn't immediately mean you're writing social justice advocacy. All it means is that one of the characters is a minority; it does not have to have _any_ bearing on the narrative, especially if that's not the story you're trying to tell. It can genuinely just be as simple as "This male character has a male love interest instead of a female one!" or "This character is Black!" Obviously if you're avoiding romance entirely, sexuality is irrelevant. But if you've made your characters believable as people, details like that are not immediately 'social justice advocacy': they're just another detail about a multifaceted character.
@DeanDraxon8752
@DeanDraxon8752 3 жыл бұрын
Zuko literally burned down Kyoshi village, he wasn't a good guy in the beginning. So yeah, it was a redemption arc.
@Nai-qk4vp
@Nai-qk4vp 3 жыл бұрын
And yet I could make the argument that he was a "good person" by the begining, shown from his interactions with his friends, the very reason he was banished, etc etc. Whicb just proves "good" and "evil" are highly subjective concepts that should not limit your story to one way of being alone like this absolute dense, latte-sipping cretin Lilly Orchard wants you to.
@DeanDraxon8752
@DeanDraxon8752 3 жыл бұрын
@@Nai-qk4vp oh of course! But him being an arguably good person, doesn’t change that he did, in fact, have a redemption arc. Having good morals, and being a “good person”, doesn’t erase the fact that he kinda committed war crimes lol The good within him that we saw, even from the beginning, was the only reason he was able to redeem himself. Redemption happens when the good within someone defeats the bad, and they make the choice to right all of the wrongs they committed.
@N0noy1989
@N0noy1989 3 жыл бұрын
@@Nai-qk4vp Just view the redemption arc as him coming from the antagonist side to the protagonist side. Can also view it as finally taking a stance that the world around him (the fire nation) is wrong. At first he did see that something was wrong, that's why he got the scar. But he wanted to redeem himself in the eyes of his father because he still does not fully acknowledge that fire nation = baddies. I'd say the completion of his redemption arc was his meeting with his father, this time not to regain his honor as the son of the Fire Lord but as an actual enemy of the fire lord. It's not just bad -> good. Can be recognizing that the side you're on is bad without being bad yourself then going to the good side.
@Nai-qk4vp
@Nai-qk4vp 3 жыл бұрын
@@N0noy1989 Yes , yes. I know. But one more thing. Redemption arcs don't have to be "villain to hero" or "antagonist to protagonist". Aang also goes through a redemption arc, one paralel in many ways to Zuko's.
@esbenm590
@esbenm590 3 жыл бұрын
@@DeanDraxon8752 *ahem* **nasally:** the correct term would be "atrocities," as there's no Geneva convention to deem it a war crime in the Avatar universe **nerd wheeze**
@ilikebeanies3499
@ilikebeanies3499 3 жыл бұрын
"I don't think kids will understand not sparing a villain." Disney Villains Who Get Murdered Left and Right: 👁👄👁
@savannahs.5874
@savannahs.5874 3 жыл бұрын
Bruh when I was 4 years old i was cheering and whooping when prince Eric rammed an entire ship into Ursula. Like i like the idea of conflict resolution but alot of redemptions aren't earned and so I dont think killing isnt an option in media
@ilikebeanies3499
@ilikebeanies3499 3 жыл бұрын
@@savannahs.5874 definitely true, The Hunchback of Notre Dame, the whole movie Frolo was BEGGING to be killed. Most satisfying villain death in Disney imo, next to Scar from TLK. XD
@savannahs.5874
@savannahs.5874 3 жыл бұрын
@@ilikebeanies3499 OOOHHH YEAH. MR. FROLO WAS THE WORRRST
@jinxyouowemeasoda1237
@jinxyouowemeasoda1237 3 жыл бұрын
And Clayton’s death in Tarzan.
@SpiritedHeart94
@SpiritedHeart94 3 жыл бұрын
@@savannahs.5874 gotta love Tony Jay’s voice though, I wish he would’ve done audiobooks (his opening narration in Treasure Planet is the best!).
@apuffball5754
@apuffball5754 2 ай бұрын
A comment on the "killing is bad" and Aang section: Aang gives Ozai a fate worse than death (for him), he strips him of what made him so proud and egotistical. He lost his bending, something he held above his own life. If he died, he woulda been happy, since it was to a superior bender. But having it ripped away literally broke him.
@eliswanson4195
@eliswanson4195 2 ай бұрын
Yeah I don't think that is the most important thing. It's that spirit bending got pulled out of nowhere. If they had maybe foreshadowed it and the idea that lion turtles are an important part of the world that can do things like that it would have been fine.
@SiRenfield
@SiRenfield Ай бұрын
I’ve also seen several people point out this also seems to be a family friendly version of how in a lot of martial arts movies a common “fate worse than death” given to villains is basically to cripple them. So it kind of makes sense from that angle too. Not that I’m defending the weird deus ex machina of it all
@Doodles.Lion153
@Doodles.Lion153 Жыл бұрын
Also with rule 14 people who may not realize they may be gay/trans/ace, seeing it as a metaphor in a character could be an eye opening experience.
@Doodles.Lion153
@Doodles.Lion153 Жыл бұрын
I would also like to point out that the idea of not being allowed to talk about something that you are not specifically apart of is dumb. I'm ADHD not Autistic does this mean I can't specifically talk about symptoms of Autism just because I'm ADHD? Of course not because I'm allowed to have opinions, can i be criticized for that opinion, and the face consequences if necessary yes. However it does not mean i then relinquish all my opinions of that topic. Now If I don't know enough information to make an opinion based on factual evidence (sources being from personal like ethnical experiences to Neurodivergency, and websites being well known and credible) that is completely different. What I am trying to explain is that people are allowed to make an opinion entirely based around there own educational/personal experience. Even if you don't agree. Sorry for the stupid-long paragraph I just wanted to get this off my chest
@error-try-again-later
@error-try-again-later 9 ай бұрын
​@@Doodles.Lion153 yep, "stay in your lane" is supposed to mean "don't talk over/dismiss people when they bring up problems faced in their group." It doesn't mean "you're not allowed to write or interact with other groups ever." That's just segregation with extra steps.
@iantaakalla8180
@iantaakalla8180 4 ай бұрын
Also, one can accidentally write a gay metaphor. And run with it respectfully.
@SelfProclaimedGorl
@SelfProclaimedGorl Ай бұрын
This is one thing I really love about the Matrix
@OtakuSapien
@OtakuSapien 2 жыл бұрын
I will forever defend Aang not killing the fire lord, because as much as people think it's a cop-out to a logical solution, THEMATICALLY it's right for the series. The fire lord's life is spared because of the beliefs of the very culture his country wiped out. It comes full circle to the events the kickstarted the series, while showing both the fire lord and the audience that the air nomads' culture has value and deserved to survive. Throwing it away would have just been proving the villain right.
@krissy4052
@krissy4052 2 жыл бұрын
INCREDIBLY GOOD TAKE
@chaoticgoodcreations947
@chaoticgoodcreations947 2 жыл бұрын
I'm going to steal this take to use it against people in the future if you don't mind.
@YourUnrulyServant
@YourUnrulyServant 2 жыл бұрын
Big Joel made a video about it..
@gaybatgosqueak
@gaybatgosqueak 2 жыл бұрын
For sure, a lot of people hate the pacifist ending but it's all dependent on the story.
@snowthelegowolf4230
@snowthelegowolf4230 2 жыл бұрын
It also fitting because it removes the one thing the fire lord has ever cared about. Which if you think about it is probably worse then outright killing him.
@meeszijlstra5426
@meeszijlstra5426 3 жыл бұрын
As an autistic man, I do think a non-autistic person can have a valid look and opinion on what is/isn't good autistic representation, provided they do the research and preferably talk to actual autistic people.
@daver7910
@daver7910 3 жыл бұрын
i'm autistic too and i agree with you but i just wanted to point out that lily is actually autistic :) i don't even like her content, but when they said that she doesn't have experience with autism so she shouldnt speak on it, it bugged me for the same reason you said plus the fact that she literally is autistic herself.
@meeszijlstra5426
@meeszijlstra5426 3 жыл бұрын
@@daver7910 Ah, good to know. I didn't even know Lily, I just like writing stuff and long videos. Yeah, that definitely makes the criticism ring a little louder.
@themindfulmoron3790
@themindfulmoron3790 3 жыл бұрын
Also an autistic (not severely, but on the spectrum) person. Sometimes, people who have the problem/complication you're depicting are not always the best people to speak on it or criticise. Being autistic means that I can speak on what it's like, but the very fact that I am autistic does not mean that I can always decide what is and is not okay with how we are portrayed. This applies to everything, race, background, sexuality- look, my point is that people in minorities are not without fault, and portraying us in realistic or negative ways is not bigotry. The very fact that the only gay person in a story is a villain is not homophobia. It only becomes homophobia if the FACT that they are gay is used as part of the way they are villainised. Same can be said for stereotypes. Yeah yeah, don't rely on solely stereotypes to create your characters and definitely don't writes shallow characters, but most stereotypes have some root in reality, and portraying a stereotype is not inherently offensive. Flaboyant gay people exist in real life, and having one in your story isn't objectively a problem. Perpetuating the idea that "gay people are just like that" IS the problem. It's that distinction that people like Lily can't seem to understand. You have to look beyond the surface level traits of a character to know the difference. It's like monotone commentary videos, the fact that the creator's voice doesn't SOUND emotional doesn't inherently make it unbiased, you have to look past that initial layer and actually get into the meat and potatoes of the content before you can judge the story and the creator. Bringing this back to autism, portraying an autistic character as great with numbers is certainly a stereotype, and autistic people are more versatile than that, but that doesn't mean it's offensive or unrealistic. A lot of autistic people become mathematicians, coders, technicians, etc because in many cases autism does greatly help in highly technical fields. It's not like portraying that is innaccurate or offensive. If you, an autistic person, are taking extreme offense at the very portrayal of a stereotype or a villain who happens to be autistic, YOU are the problem.
@meeszijlstra5426
@meeszijlstra5426 3 жыл бұрын
@@themindfulmoron3790 Couldn't have put it better myself. This should be the comment at the top of the chain, much better than mine.
@hannahmills9959
@hannahmills9959 3 жыл бұрын
@@themindfulmoron3790 Absolutely. I'm on the spectrum, and a lot of my favorite characters are either autistic, autism-coded, or are tech geniuses. Just because they're stereotypes doesn't mean they're bad characters. Giving Entrapta problems with social communication and making the others perceive her as rude isn't offensive to me...it's realistic. I was treated as a weirdo and a jerk by my peers in middle school, because I didn't know how to talk to people like everyone else. I accidentally offended people by the way I talked in middle school, and a lot of kids bullied me over it. Making Peridot cocky, unaware of social norms/structure, and somewhat insensitive isn't making autistic people out to be bad people, especially when the writers didn't even change a lot of those aspects when they redeemed her, except to make her less of a jerk (basically unlearning the racism and homophobia she was taught back on Homeworld). Giving autistic characters flaws isn't villainizing them. It's making them human. Which is something underrepresented groups need more than anything else. I don't understand why people get so pressed when characters from marginalized groups aren't "perfect" and they have flaws that affect how other people see them. I mean, why can't people who are different just be human? It's like saying every neurodivergent, POC, or LGBTQ+ character can't be a villain for the sake of "wokeness." To me, that's as bad as (if not worse than) villainizing them. Because you're still dehumanizing them, except it looks better because you're making them out to be God-like saints. That's where it can get to a point of fetishization, which is no better than discrimination.
@mistermiss9093
@mistermiss9093 6 ай бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2777">46:17</a> so what im hearing is....as a bisexual I can write EVERYONE in impractical armour? a winner is me
@zillafire101
@zillafire101 5 ай бұрын
Warhammer Dark Eldar moment
@ashgallego7780
@ashgallego7780 9 ай бұрын
Essentially she's saying, 'I only like bland, character centric, conflicless stories, therefore everyone should write that.'
@themechanic9974
@themechanic9974 8 ай бұрын
No
@ashgallego7780
@ashgallego7780 7 ай бұрын
ok@@themechanic9974
@ryanmoore6259
@ryanmoore6259 2 ай бұрын
Yes it is
@afunnymans
@afunnymans 3 жыл бұрын
“Werewolves work best as a metaphor for predators” really rubs me the wrong way because most werewolf characters were turned into werewolves against their will. Her metaphor implies people who have been preyed upon and hurt by abusive monsters are doomed to become predatory abusive monsters themselves. Ironically while complaining about how one metaphor treats a group of people as others, she supports another metaphor that treats a group of people as others. Werewolves as predators” also paints predators and abusers as having no control over their actions. Not thinking beyond the surface level seems to be a chronic problem of Lily’s.
@Marispider
@Marispider 3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad I'm not the only one who was really put off by the idea of wrapping up entire groups of people as just... creatures. Even bad people, because then it's easy to forget that anyone can become that way, and that you can become a better person. Also... does she think that cishet people are the ones using vamps and wolves as LGBT allegories?? Because from what I've seen it's less we're branded with this and more we adopted it. I mean, c'mon... creatures of the night ostracized by society and/or forced to pretend to be "normal" so they can be accepted (lest they be run out of town), because society has labeled their needs and desires as predatory, diseased, unholy, or just plain inhuman? And they're also super, super sexy? Yeah, of COURSE we latched onto that lol
@CaptainDCap
@CaptainDCap 3 жыл бұрын
It's almost as if far leftism is completely built upon rampant hypocrisy. /(O^O)\ GASP
@autumnox2174
@autumnox2174 3 жыл бұрын
@@CaptainDCap Politics is more than IDPOL, dude.
@CaptainDCap
@CaptainDCap 3 жыл бұрын
@@autumnox2174 You're right! Far leftists disagree.
@NIHIL_EGO
@NIHIL_EGO 3 жыл бұрын
@@CaptainDCap Why must you bring politic on the table ?
@Lio_Convoy
@Lio_Convoy 3 жыл бұрын
Alternate title: Two Friends Progressively Lose Their Minds For Over Two Hours.
@dakotajockers4718
@dakotajockers4718 3 жыл бұрын
Good one
@NonPlayerCactus
@NonPlayerCactus 3 жыл бұрын
You should hear our recording sessions for the Monster Girl Safari videos...
@Lio_Convoy
@Lio_Convoy 3 жыл бұрын
@@godkekliveshere431 Guilty of what, exactly?
@Lio_Convoy
@Lio_Convoy 3 жыл бұрын
@@godkekliveshere431 I read it; but it makes no sense. Because for it to be a “guilt”, a wrong has to be committed first. And there was no wrong committed.
@Lio_Convoy
@Lio_Convoy 3 жыл бұрын
@@godkekliveshere431 Buddy. Pal. Friend. You might not want to try and ask if someone else passed English when your sentences look like they’re being typed by a toddler with broken fingers and no concept of grammar.
@ridley1230
@ridley1230 2 ай бұрын
The “don’t turn a comedy into a drama, it annoys people” rule sheds some more light on her recent reaction to Dungeon Meshi. One of the things I and so many other people love about the series is that tonal shift. It eases you into an inherently silly premise of adventurers cooking monsters and unravels into a much darker story about grief, desire and what it means to be alive. And yet, the series is still about food and how living is inherently tied to food! But, according to Lily, no. None of that. The series has to stay the same the entire way through, never evolving or maturing. Because, of course, that annoys people (her).
@junebugjoy3170
@junebugjoy3170 23 күн бұрын
One of the other horrendous things on that review was the implication that she was a better writer than Ryoko Kui which is certainly a statement to make.
@PirateKingBoros
@PirateKingBoros Жыл бұрын
If this list taught me anything, it’s that Lily is allergic to complexity.
@phylasvell
@phylasvell 3 жыл бұрын
also "if lesbians like a character then they're better" shut up !!! lesbians aren't superior we're just people oh my GOD
@WeRNotAlive
@WeRNotAlive 3 жыл бұрын
No. You must hate every character I love and vice versa. Apparently.
@theroleplayinggamer837
@theroleplayinggamer837 3 жыл бұрын
@PHYLASVELL That’s Lily being a heterophobe.
@phylasvell
@phylasvell 3 жыл бұрын
@@theroleplayinggamer837 i get she's a lesbian herself but her weird obsession with lesbian superiority rubs me the wrong way and idk why. im a lesbian myself but like the way she acts seriously creeps me out
@maverickdarkrath4780
@maverickdarkrath4780 3 жыл бұрын
@@phylasvell shes genuinely heterophobic, she always get mad when a straight couple is in her shows and always blames straight people for everything.
@marvalice3455
@marvalice3455 3 жыл бұрын
@@phylasvell yeah, putting something so superficial (well, sexuality is superficial if you are not looking to court the person anyway) as this super important moral indicator is really toxic
@Astro_Crunch
@Astro_Crunch 3 жыл бұрын
If she wanted to make passive-aggressive jabs at cartoons that she's angry with, that's fine, but she didn't have to glorify it by calling it "writing advice."
@Royalname31
@Royalname31 3 жыл бұрын
She is just like this. And, remember, #100 tip is literally just saying "why are you wasting your time asking for advice", while taunt-baiting anyone who would do a react video like the one you are watching..
@GrayAndGrey
@GrayAndGrey 3 жыл бұрын
@@Royalname31 Lily is simply a selfish hubristic hypocrite.
@cherrypopscile3385
@cherrypopscile3385 3 жыл бұрын
This is Lilly orchard were talking about. Dressing up passive aggressive winging as something more important than it is has been her shtick for years.
@Royalname31
@Royalname31 3 жыл бұрын
@@cherrypopscile3385 I mean, she is both figuratively and literally a "one trick pony". Actually, that would have been a good joke to call her during her brony days
@k.-flynn
@k.-flynn 3 жыл бұрын
@@cherrypopscile3385 I'm way out of the loop and this was in my recommended, who's lily orchard?
@DeadpoolX9
@DeadpoolX9 10 ай бұрын
This reads less like writing advice and more like a manifesto against steven universe and she-ra
@Hawkatana
@Hawkatana 9 ай бұрын
*And Legend of Korra.
@tikki2340
@tikki2340 8 ай бұрын
The amount of advice about managing a fandom is so wild because, like A) why would you give advice for managing a fandom to people looking for writing advice? Isn’t that putting the cart way before the horse? B) what credentials do you have to be giving advice on this? You don’t have a fandom around anything you’ve worked on. It’s like a food critic going into the kitchen to tell the chef how to cook. Just because you’re in the space doesn’t mean you know best on how it works.
@themechanic9974
@themechanic9974 8 ай бұрын
It's simple she made a typo it's writers tips not writing tip
@themechanic9974
@themechanic9974 8 ай бұрын
She has a huge following around lots of her work what are you talking about
@thatguyyouhatealot
@thatguyyouhatealot 6 ай бұрын
Also the suggestion a creator should engage with fandom is odd to me
@LeviCerise
@LeviCerise 3 жыл бұрын
Someone said this in the comments and it stuck with me; "if a character's kill count is over 10,000 innocent lives, they are irredeemable" So in Lily's mind numbers decide the chance of redemption, that mindset lacks one thing, intent. Going by her logic, a soldier in a war story being ordered to, and then later forced to drop a bomb killing 10,000 people is worse than a serial killer in a horror book maliciously choosing, torturing, and killing 10 people in the cruelest way possible
@bean6803
@bean6803 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. It’s a very binary way of looking at things that just doesn’t work because humanity is a nuanced thing. Also, ironically enough, Alastor, one of her self-declared _favorite characters of all time in animation,_ is an antihero that has likely killed hundreds to thousands of people and was a serial killer in his previous life.
@deejaydee1578
@deejaydee1578 3 жыл бұрын
It's very blunt hammer, but the general gist of the tip is this; you can't redeem someone who has done morally bankrupt things, and it's really up to the writer to decide where to draw the moral event horizon.
@deejaydee1578
@deejaydee1578 3 жыл бұрын
@@bean6803 Thats cause Alastor is a fucking beast, and you know it. He is never going to get redeemed, and the show knows it, so they can make him as hammy and twisted as they want. It only matters if the character in question is going to be redeemed.
@bean6803
@bean6803 3 жыл бұрын
@@deejaydee1578 - That’s fair I suppose. But you have to admit that there is a possibility that Vivzie will try to redeem him because the _premise of the show_ is redemption. Also, admittedly as someone who doesn’t really play WoW, isn’t Blizzard not even attempting to redeem Sylvanas Windrunner either? But Lily specifically writes an excuse for her because it was “stupid” to make her a villain.
@deejaydee1578
@deejaydee1578 3 жыл бұрын
@@bean6803 It would have to be a very well done, slow and properly executed redemption arc. And even then, he's kinda like Toph from ATLA. A good character that doesn't change, and instead backs up all the other characters and their arcs/journeys.
@darththeo
@darththeo 3 жыл бұрын
Why are so many of these "tips" just "Don't do this, or you are a huge turd." Just comes off as "I don't like this, if you do it, I hate you."
@giuliacf4180
@giuliacf4180 3 жыл бұрын
That's pretty much what is happening through out the whole thread
@Scrofar
@Scrofar 3 жыл бұрын
fr tho. The so-called "If you do this, you're wrong" tips make me less inclined to listen to the tip-giver, let alone trust them. maybe it's just me, but I'm personally more drawn towards "Watch out for this," or "be aware of that"
@desolatemess9612
@desolatemess9612 3 жыл бұрын
It’s just tips it’s criticism and is meant to say things that improve the skill you cant improve if everyone is telling you it’s fine you need criticism
@ransselthkaen
@ransselthkaen 3 жыл бұрын
Welcome to Lily's channel
@toxic_shr00m
@toxic_shr00m 3 жыл бұрын
@@desolatemess9612 The problem arises when the person giving the """criticism""" is acting like an upset child.
@skapokonroll
@skapokonroll 11 ай бұрын
"Friends is more popular than any anime because it's low stakes" In my favorite anime the highest stakes are either imaginary sequences or a girl getting bitten by a mean cat lol
@colorblockpoprocks6973
@colorblockpoprocks6973 10 ай бұрын
*my* favorite anime has a cat girl bitten by a *squirrel*
@atanvardecunambiel8917
@atanvardecunambiel8917 9 ай бұрын
The MCU is more popular than Horimiya or whatever because the stakes are higher, and if my granddad had wheels he’d be a bike.
@error-try-again-later
@error-try-again-later 9 ай бұрын
Also, Friends existed at a time when you could only watch what came on TV and anime became mainstream much later on, when you could google different shows to watch. Friends having a wider reach (in the West) isn't JUST about the low stakes.
@randomguy019
@randomguy019 8 ай бұрын
The real source of this "critique" is Lily wanting to pointlessly dunk on annoying nerds in fandoms having annoying conversations and arguments (focusing on pointless minutiae or wrong character interpretation, showing all participants lack of understanding of the material). So, she's logic'd herself into a blanket statement that she believes ends all these arguments. That none of the fandom BS is worth it, so shut up nerds. Again, not writing advice and really dismissive of art, but that's Lily's behavior uncoded
@Acro_YT
@Acro_YT 4 ай бұрын
Bro one of my favorite anime is literally about a socially anxious girl joining a band lol
@namelastnamefirst4520
@namelastnamefirst4520 Жыл бұрын
I will gradually edit this. <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="130">2:10</a> Spoliers (1) <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="175">2:55</a> Seasons and couples (2) <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="329">5:29</a> Friends and enemies to lovers (3) <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="442">7:22</a> Abuse victims and redemption arcs (4) <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="523">8:43</a> Heroes not killing villains (5) <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="770">12:50</a> She-Ra ending (Kissing and being revolutionary) (6) <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="952">15:52</a> Twitter and revealing story details (7) <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1005">16:45</a> 10k body count (8) <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1266">21:06</a> Exception to tip 8 (9) <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1328">22:08</a> Wished to be there (10) <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1441">24:01</a> Pedophiles (11) <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1522">25:22</a> Don’t sexualize 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@whatscookingoodlookin1
@whatscookingoodlookin1 7 ай бұрын
thank you for this lol
@ihaveaplan.ijustneedmoney.9777
@ihaveaplan.ijustneedmoney.9777 3 жыл бұрын
Lily: "Dont try and do what Avatar did" Me: (remembering the countless times Lily b!tched about how Steven U should have done what Avatar did)
@aussiepuppet5250
@aussiepuppet5250 3 жыл бұрын
Steven Universe did do a lot of crap wrong. But I don't think following Avatar was the right decision.
@deejaydee1578
@deejaydee1578 3 жыл бұрын
It means that shows try to copy Avatar while having no idea what made Avatar actually good in the first place. Things like Zuko's redemption, the concept of the Avatar, and it's interesting but ultimately unimportant world made Avatar great. Future shows tried to run with these concepts and failed miserably
@tristanneal9552
@tristanneal9552 3 жыл бұрын
@@deejaydee1578 Tbf, Lily doesn't understand Zuko's redemption arc anyway. 🤷‍♂️
@midnightwolfwarrior
@midnightwolfwarrior 3 жыл бұрын
Lily loves TLA, she's just saying "don't try to write a smash hit". And no, I'm pretty fucking sure she knows EXACTLY what made Zuko's redemption massively impactful.
@ValentineC137
@ValentineC137 3 жыл бұрын
@@midnightwolfwarrior tip 4 says something else
@adrianpaul1985
@adrianpaul1985 3 жыл бұрын
"artists draw, writers write" me, a comic artist who writes his own stories: guess i'll just die
@juniperrodley9843
@juniperrodley9843 3 жыл бұрын
THE AVATAR
@tickaten
@tickaten 3 жыл бұрын
You are one of a kind
@that1nerd756
@that1nerd756 3 жыл бұрын
Me, who does the same thing: Dig a grave big enough for both of us. Or don't, since we clearly don't exist.
@Pandaman64
@Pandaman64 3 жыл бұрын
How DARE you do more then one thing! You will SUFFER for your HUBRIS!
@that1nerd756
@that1nerd756 3 жыл бұрын
@@Pandaman64 Bruh, we already don't exist. What more can you do to us??????
@mcbadrobotvoice8155
@mcbadrobotvoice8155 10 ай бұрын
I love the archery rule because they have several rules about how stories don’t need to be realistic but yet want bows to be hyper realistic for some reason
@jordanhansen5934
@jordanhansen5934 Жыл бұрын
I think #24 was aimed at Zuko. Also, with the unredeemable kill count rule, the Doctor from Doctor Who has a kill count somewhere in the trillions, yet people still love and adore them.
@triangulum_mori
@triangulum_mori Жыл бұрын
zuko aint even white, i'm assuming in the real world he'd be south asian, so, don't really know what she was going for there.
@brandelynnefreleng7597
@brandelynnefreleng7597 6 ай бұрын
I think stuff like that is why she stipulated “innocent” lives- most of those bodies was in a war. But I agree with your take.
@ruansasa289
@ruansasa289 5 ай бұрын
​@@triangulum_moriZuko is very much japanese inspired, like most of the fire nation
@yuricecconi561
@yuricecconi561 5 ай бұрын
@@ruansasa289 I'd argue the fire nation takes from multiple sources (much like all the Avatar). Fire nation soldiers have helmets that remind me of samurai, they wield Chinese (I think?) straight swords, they have an emperor and a board of general like the emperor and the shogunate, they have myths about dragons (not really a big thing in Japan compared to China) and so on and so forth.
@lorenzocassaro3054
@lorenzocassaro3054 4 ай бұрын
​@@triangulum_moriI think the Fire Nation was inspired by Japan
@lordvonsteiner2452
@lordvonsteiner2452 3 жыл бұрын
But an anti-hero still does heroic things, doesn't he? A villain protagonist just means it's a bad guy who's a protagonist. The two aren't mutually exclusive. Protagonists aren't inherently heroic or good.
@thevioletskull8158
@thevioletskull8158 3 жыл бұрын
*They
@Air_Serpent
@Air_Serpent 3 жыл бұрын
That’s what I thought.
@megamike15
@megamike15 3 жыл бұрын
@@scorch2155 he starts out as an anti hero. but he is the full on villain of the first half of season 5.
@theautisticartist9370
@theautisticartist9370 3 жыл бұрын
I read a story in the person of the villain, this is true.
@bea4828
@bea4828 3 жыл бұрын
@@scorch2155 Walter white is an anti-villain, doing bad morals for a complex and sympathetic reasoning. An anti-hero isn't just "protagonist" it's a hero who doesn't do things all too heroic. Roland Deschain from Stephen King's Dark Tower is a great example
@thecheck968
@thecheck968 Жыл бұрын
There are three types of adults who enjoy children's animated shows - People who are chill and like what they like - Insecure people who claim they're actually super dark and mature - Whatever the hell this was
@thisgoddamusernamestoodamnlong
@thisgoddamusernamestoodamnlong Жыл бұрын
ok, but defense of number 2: the last season of adventure time fucked me up.
@thecheck968
@thecheck968 Жыл бұрын
@@thisgoddamusernamestoodamnlong I'd say there's an important difference between someone like you simply stating it, and someone else who you can tell is trying to justify their interest in cartoons, and is really really emotional about it. Personally, I never got over Infinity Train's third season. So I can relate.
@randompromises1038
@randompromises1038 Жыл бұрын
I might be number 2 bc I never shut up about cartoons, but who knows
@chandra_creator
@chandra_creator Жыл бұрын
​@@randompromises1038 could just be enthusiasm for a thing you love rather than insecurity
@randompromises1038
@randompromises1038 Жыл бұрын
​@@chandra_creatoryeah fair lol I just worry I'm obnoxious with it
@Han-yb7qo
@Han-yb7qo 6 ай бұрын
Tip 8 reminds me of the undertale rules in which you can spare just 1 enemy and get the normal ending 😂
@stygian6642
@stygian6642 Жыл бұрын
As a trans (and ace) person, I actually disagree with tip 14. I like reading trans metaphors generally more than I like trans main characters. Trans representation is important and having trans characters is great, but when it comes to writing the topic, it's easier for me to consume media that is indirectly telling that same story instead of media that is directly reflecting my trauma back at me.
@huguesdepayens807
@huguesdepayens807 Жыл бұрын
*As a fatherless individual
@stygian6642
@stygian6642 Жыл бұрын
@@huguesdepayens807 please clarify?
@huguesdepayens807
@huguesdepayens807 Жыл бұрын
@@stygian6642 What happened for you to turn out like this?
@PKSunset
@PKSunset Жыл бұрын
​@@huguesdepayens807Fatherless individuals look around KZfaq to randomly scope out people they don't like to harass them. This is your life, if you had a job, you wouldn't have time for this.
@TheGreatJinx
@TheGreatJinx Жыл бұрын
@@huguesdepayens807 Shit man, what happened for YOU to turn out like this? You scrolled all the way down just to find somebody to shit on? That's so laughably pathetic I can't even begin to imagine what your day-to-day must look like. Stay losing lmao
@commentateur-connaisseur-c1414
@commentateur-connaisseur-c1414 3 жыл бұрын
"Mom ! I killed 9999 people." "I still love you, daughter."
@karlwilker579
@karlwilker579 3 жыл бұрын
No! Pairing kids and adults is PEDOPHILIA!!
@zzz43344
@zzz43344 3 жыл бұрын
Lmfao XD
@thesolidestsnake
@thesolidestsnake 3 жыл бұрын
Daughter: *steps on an ant* Mother: You are a disgrace to our family *beats the fuck out of child*
@fishingrod2253
@fishingrod2253 3 жыл бұрын
"Mom! I've commited multiple war crimes and have *non-consectual reproduction* many men, women, and children these past 10 years!" "Awww, that's ok sweet heart, i still love you no matter what!" "Mom, i got a B on math." *get out of this house, you god damn disgrace*
@bearowl4101
@bearowl4101 3 жыл бұрын
Lily: Stick with either comedy or drama and don’t start with comedy only for the story to become dramatic William Shakespeare: Guess I won’t write Romeo and Juliet now.
@ty-seansenior6660
@ty-seansenior6660 3 жыл бұрын
Not just Romeo and Juliet, MOST of Shakesphere's work are comedy-drama hybrids at their cores. So in essence, Lily is pretty much taking a dump on ALL of The Bard's stories! What a petty, whiny, insecure bastard!
@prunt23
@prunt23 2 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly and precisely the example that came to mind about hearing that, great writing, as far as I'm concerned, is able to bounce between comedy and drama competently.
@zzz43344
@zzz43344 2 жыл бұрын
@@prunt23 Couldn't agree more
@SobiTheRobot
@SobiTheRobot 2 жыл бұрын
That whole dynamic of differing styles (usually comedy paired with something more serious) I think really elevates stories. You don't need constant gloom and doom, and you don't need constant jokes. You can let elements of the story get darker, like say as a character matures over time and learns more about the sordid history of the people he looks up to, but for fuck's sake tell a joke.
@darko1295
@darko1295 2 жыл бұрын
That would, like, completely butcher the emotional impact of stuff like Bojack Horseman. Tragicomedy is an actual literary genre for a reason lmao
@TheLadyLiddell
@TheLadyLiddell 6 ай бұрын
Tip 34 was definitely only there as a jab to Steven Universe because of it's "Steven only" perspective. I can't think of any other story/show that would be a jab at.
@goldenwolfae
@goldenwolfae 6 ай бұрын
how can someone sound like a crybaby conservative and like a crybaby liberal at the same time its like genuinely impressive
@Remyatta
@Remyatta 6 ай бұрын
She has liberal views but for some reason gives into conservatives talking points (Idk the real word I’m trying to use LMAO, but Everytime conservatives take a kick out of a left leaning show shes there the defend them.)
@thatguyyouhatealot
@thatguyyouhatealot 6 ай бұрын
Liberals are conservative at the end of the day
@nineinchthread
@nineinchthread 6 ай бұрын
​@@RemyattaI think she's called a woke scold if I'm not mistaken though I wonder if she believes in what she preachs.
@faveless
@faveless Ай бұрын
horseshoe theory
@mattmcdonough3282
@mattmcdonough3282 6 күн бұрын
She's just has a few vague progressive talking points but has a reactionary streak a mile long
@ponypublications
@ponypublications 3 жыл бұрын
So the ACTUAL writing tips I've learned from this video are "have fun, do what works, don't be a bigot", and I'm here for it
@WeRNotAlive
@WeRNotAlive 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah pretty much. Too many people conflate actual Lily’s bad ideas with her somewhat salvageable politics, and we wanted to take a nuanced approach to that.
@Fattts
@Fattts 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly don't even worry about the third thing. If you write any sort of dystopia someone is going to call you either bigoted or a disgusting commie, for example.
@DeathnoteBB
@DeathnoteBB 2 жыл бұрын
@@Fattts No you should definitely worry about being a bigot
@Fattts
@Fattts 2 жыл бұрын
@@DeathnoteBB no. You shouldn't. Because no matter what you write or how you write it, people are going to say mean things just to be contrarian. Being afraid of "bigotry" in your writing means a fear of inherent messaging and depth. People who only read surface level will go "wow author wrote bigotry in their story they must be evil I will go whine on **
@DeathnoteBB
@DeathnoteBB 2 жыл бұрын
@@Fattts You’re… literally doing that. Whining on [insert social media here]. So… 🤷
@zoeglass
@zoeglass 3 жыл бұрын
Hey guys! Quick story, I actually quit writing my passion project of 2 years a few months after watching Lily's content. Her tips made me think my story was too flawed to save. Back in December, I watched this video, and it inspired me to start writing it again. I came back to thank you for helping me see past Lily's black-and-white ideas and come into my own as a writer. I owe you two a lot. Edit: Thank you to everyone for all your support! Your replies always make my day. Happy writing to us all! May we live to see our own hour-long videos on Lily's channel.
@Normaschthewanderer
@Normaschthewanderer 3 жыл бұрын
Don't let other people make you lose faith in your creation. You can't make something appeal to everyone. So make something that appeals to you.
@zoeglass
@zoeglass 3 жыл бұрын
@@Normaschthewanderer Thank you ^w^ That's a good tip
@Rasafrag
@Rasafrag 3 жыл бұрын
@@zoeglass And she's not a writer. All she has are opinions and what seems to be nigh-impossible standards and an aversion to the smallest conflicts that drive even character stories, though she seems to focus on fantasy and cartoons and fantasy cartoons. You know, the PLOT driven stuff. Rainbows and sunshine seem to be too complex for her worldview, which might be why she's such a bitter contrarian. Be open to criticism, of course, absolutely. You'll never escape it, that's just how it is. But listen to your beta readers, your sensitivity readers, people who can tell you 'no' and be constructive about why the 'no' is a 'no'. Yesmen are almost as bad as bad-faith actors like Lily Orchard. Yesmen will stunt your growth: bad-faith actors will steamroll you. I wish you the best! If you decide to publish - because you WANT to - I can't wait to read it!
@Rasafrag
@Rasafrag 3 жыл бұрын
@@zoeglass Absolutely! Again, just always be open to criticism, be it about syntax/grammar or plot holes or reasonable character flaws vs out of character moments to fit the plot. I learned the hard way as a baby writer lol. Because you're right, NUANCE is the balancing act. A lot of Booktubers are great but Lily Orchard is not a Booktuber. Or a writer. Or as big the big-name fan with the relevant takes on the zeitgeist that she thinks she is and has. She's a broken clock, right twice a day but that's it. And the times she was right in this list were 'yeah, no duh' moments. Not a visionary. Again, wish you the best! I need to line up my thesaurus and other research tabs and get to work lol. Take care ^_^
@ty-seansenior6660
@ty-seansenior6660 3 жыл бұрын
@@zoeglass Don't listen to her and let her control your ideas, girl, you deserve to have your story heard. By the way, what was your story about?
@sketchyart8411
@sketchyart8411 6 ай бұрын
The “don’t use reclaimed slurs in your work” that’s cool… then how do I reclaim them????
@emilystewart6175
@emilystewart6175 7 ай бұрын
This video honestly helped me so much. At the time it came out I was surrounded by people who thought like Lily, and being lonely and desperate to fit in I was starting to fall into that "You must never engage with any problematic media or you're a disgusting person" rabbit hole. It was miserable being in that headspace, and what these people decided was ""problematic"" was abitrary and could change on a dime. This video helped me see how limiting that is, and helped me get out of it. Fun thing, thanks to this video's recommendation I did go and watch 'Snatch' not too long afterwards. Another thing was also being in a book club with my friends from uni, and it had become an infamous running joke of me showing up having not read the book. I could only ever be on the edge of the discussion, never able to properly engage with what everyone was talking about. After watching this video and you guys begging people to engage more with different media I got off my ass and started reading more regularly again. Since then I have read some fantastic and engaging books. It was just the boost I needed. I love that all the work on this channel encourages people to engage more with stories and media they love and share that joy. This video came out just when I needed it to. Thank you.
@trafalgarlaw8373
@trafalgarlaw8373 3 жыл бұрын
Adding "Makes you a huge turd" to each message will definitely make people take your advice seriously as honest writing advice ,and not some salty complaint letter
@ketaminepoptarts
@ketaminepoptarts 2 жыл бұрын
and it will also totally make you seem like a competent writer and not like a kid who just discovered that you can insult people
@pinxelated2799
@pinxelated2799 2 жыл бұрын
Try telling her that and she'll just accuse you of "tone-policing". She has a buzzword defense ready for every stupid thing she does.
@majora6767
@majora6767 2 жыл бұрын
why does that sound like a terrible writing advice joke?
@trafalgarlaw8373
@trafalgarlaw8373 2 жыл бұрын
@@majora6767 Also called sarcasm
@majora6767
@majora6767 2 жыл бұрын
@@trafalgarlaw8373 I know it's sarcasm. It just sounds like a joke terrible writing advice would make. It's a youtube channel
@lettucemayoandonions1187
@lettucemayoandonions1187 3 жыл бұрын
the fact that lily will ban, block, and silence ANYONE who even mentions Steven Universe because she's "so tired of talking about Steven Universe" BUT SHE TALKS ABOUT IT ALL THE TIIIIME UGH
@HellfireComms
@HellfireComms 3 жыл бұрын
It's the only thing people know her for at this point (beyond the obvious of the pedo rape fanfiction she wrote). This is why you shouldn't make your online career exclusively shitting on children's media.
@E4439Qv5
@E4439Qv5 3 жыл бұрын
@@HellfireComms I'd like a Glass of Water, please.
@monochromegreyson
@monochromegreyson 3 жыл бұрын
@@HellfireComms Beyond thE WHAT????
@tamayako2000
@tamayako2000 3 жыл бұрын
@@monochromegreyson She wrote an MLP fanfiction back in the day that involved minor/adult pairings. It was called Stockholm. I never sought it out myself, but I think it was mostly centered around Rainbow Dash and Scootaloo?
@mjangelvortex
@mjangelvortex 3 жыл бұрын
@@tamayako2000 Yep. You're correct. I never read it either due to the subject manner but I have heard about it from word of mouth. Basically, Rainbow Dash adopts Scootloo and rapes her. At one point Lily tried defending it because she made a sequel where Rainbow Dash dies but from what I've heard, the stories kinda paints Dash in a sympathetic light and the sex scenes themselves are painted in a way that's intended to arouse as opposed to something the audience/reader is supposed to be condemning.
@JacksonBockus
@JacksonBockus 6 ай бұрын
So, I basically came here because I saw another video responding to this thread and I just felt the need to marinate in it a little longer. I’m currently on #8 in this video and already “The tone of Steven Universe doesn’t accommodate the actions of the Diamonds” is a more cogent criticism of Steven Universe than anything Lily Orchard has said. I don’t even think I AGREE with it but it’s something that can at least bear an argument.
@nerdychocobo
@nerdychocobo 3 ай бұрын
Yeah even if it's something I massively disagree with at least it makes sense, and I know the reasons I disagree with it are because I have a different way of approaching media not like, factual superiority
@zeboimcitizen27
@zeboimcitizen27 6 ай бұрын
There is also an example that completely debunks the 8th point about a character killing 10,000 people being irredeemable. Luke Skywalker and the rest of the rebels are now hopelessly irredeemable by that logic. They blew up the Death Star twice.
@Ch1l1C0nCarnag3
@Ch1l1C0nCarnag3 3 жыл бұрын
I didn't ask to be born, I have to live with it. My characters didn't ask to be written, they have to live with it... now if you'll excuse me, I have an over-the-top violent torture scene to write, followed by an unnecessary sex scene where enemies become lovers but continue to try to kill each other anyway, after one of them murdered an entire populus of 10,001 people and still gets redeemed anyway; just for you Lily.
@c10ud_ten22
@c10ud_ten22 3 жыл бұрын
Hey, some of the best stories were written out of spite you know!
@laoaidan2400
@laoaidan2400 3 жыл бұрын
I’d read it
@Tenebrio-Morio
@Tenebrio-Morio 3 жыл бұрын
@@c10ud_ten22 spite is part of the reason I started writing.
@typhoonzebra
@typhoonzebra 3 жыл бұрын
@@c10ud_ten22 Codex Alera was 6 book fantasy epic written to win a bet.
@vincent8460
@vincent8460 3 жыл бұрын
@@JukaDominator >followed by an unnecessary sex scene where enemies become lovers but continue to try to kill each other anyway i don't recall this ever being in index lol
@lurtz8656
@lurtz8656 Жыл бұрын
The idea of telling the queer community they can't use queer as a reclaimed slur to mean something descriptive or positive is baffling to me. I quite like the word.
@sealogic4552
@sealogic4552 Жыл бұрын
I don’t know if Orchard herself is guilty of this, but as a gay man who enthusiastically reclaims slurs, I’ve had so many non-gay men tell me that using the f-slur is offensive to gay men. Like, who are you white-knighting for at that point? The fictional gay friend you fantasize in your head? Maybe I’m alone on this one, but I’ve had all manner of progressive people (even other queers!) tell me very emphatically what I supposedly believe.
@FireballFlareblitz734
@FireballFlareblitz734 11 ай бұрын
You could say that the whole idea of it is quite queer
@ragingdevi
@ragingdevi 11 ай бұрын
Nevermind that it's been reclaimed for so long that the studies concerning it have been called "queer studies" since the 90s
@mxmissy
@mxmissy 11 ай бұрын
@@sealogic4552 My ex-stepdad always HATED it when I called myself queer. Because when he grew up (mind you he's very straight and very cis, and very homophobic/transphobic/every -phobic) it was a slur. Like, okay cool???? I don't particularly like it when people use slurs for themselves, but they've obviously reclaimed it and I can't get mad at them because that's what THEY want to call themselves. It was just so weird. Congrats, I won't call you queer, is that what you're telling me? Iunno man, people can get really weird around slurs. Like if it's personally affected you, then yes sure, I'm happy to change my language for you. But when it comes to words I use for myself, do not police what I call myself.
@sealogic4552
@sealogic4552 11 ай бұрын
@@mxmissy I know at least Lily has the excuse of being trans herself, but honestly, it is wild to see people who aren't part of our community try to police our language from the outside. I've noticed a lot of similar issues with neurodivergent and disabled language, i.e. allistic people gong "no, you're not *autistic*, you're a *person with autism*!" Like, dog. What?
@user-oh3wn4jg5x
@user-oh3wn4jg5x 8 ай бұрын
5 - it is very important for lessons in children’s media to not tell kids that you should kill people you perceive as evil
@silosilo2326
@silosilo2326 Жыл бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="71">1:11</a>:30 I have a big old problem with this one. 1 her “tip” implies that only woman can be rape victims (wtf?) and 2 it entirely depends on execution… one of my favorite series berserk, the main villain Griffith was raped as a child and the main hero Guts was also raped as a child. It has a big effect on who they both are as people and effects the story in a very sad and very compelling way. You don’t have to write everyone as a hero, that’s not the point of a story, they can be human, they can have nuance, it’s not banned to write complex characters with compelling and tragic backstories, Griffith is not a villain because he was raped, Griffith is a villain because he is a vile and selfish person, guts is not the hero because he was raped he is the hero because he is a complex man with study morals and can preserve through anything. She has horrible tips
@user-em4vo3ie4f
@user-em4vo3ie4f 11 ай бұрын
but griffith wasn't raped...? Yes, he did sex with wealthy old creep, and it was out of need, but it was by griffith choise, and it's shows that he is willing to go into dark immoral things and do sacrifices for his goal. But yeah, he would definetly be raped by that same old creep, it they lost battle with his army...
@excalibur2772
@excalibur2772 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly disagree on Aang being a simp, Aang has disagreed with Katara a lot
@Tengokuchi
@Tengokuchi 3 жыл бұрын
I specifically remember an instance where Aang was really angry at Katara because she stole a water-bending scroll for their training and it violated his principles even though he knew they stole it in the first place.
@sneakysneakyraccoon8538
@sneakysneakyraccoon8538 3 жыл бұрын
@@Tengokuchi I thought that was Sokka, but Aang did disagree with Katara about going on a revenge mission
@Tengokuchi
@Tengokuchi 3 жыл бұрын
@@sneakysneakyraccoon8538 Oh you are right. Sokka was the one who got mad at her. Their argument was when Aang was naturally good at water bending and she got mad at him. I may have mixed the two up.
@michaelvessel4604
@michaelvessel4604 3 жыл бұрын
Wasn't it also a big point of one of the later episodes how Aang was strongly against Katara wanting to get revenge on the man who murdered her mother?
@ShinobiPXO
@ShinobiPXO 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, no he didn't. How often did he disagree with her? Katara was always Aang's main confidant and the first person he went to for guidance.
@kbarts316
@kbarts316 3 жыл бұрын
The constant "you're a huge turd" thing is so cringy it hurts.
@geckovonparsley8200
@geckovonparsley8200 3 жыл бұрын
I normally avoid calling things cringy, but I have to agree on this because I actually did cringe a little at the third or fourth repeat of "huge turd".
@kbarts316
@kbarts316 3 жыл бұрын
@@geckovonparsley8200 Sorry about that, guess it was the first word that came to mind. But ugh...that just sounded so irritating. Like something that a five year old would write. I see why people don’t like Lily Peet that much... 😣
@geckovonparsley8200
@geckovonparsley8200 3 жыл бұрын
@@kbarts316 no, I'm with you, I feel the same x'D it totally applies here.
@kbarts316
@kbarts316 3 жыл бұрын
@@geckovonparsley8200 Lmao alright 😂👌
@Diamond1234
@Diamond1234 3 жыл бұрын
With all the constant name-calling and blanket statements, she just feels really immature and it feels like watching a child make writing tips and just...facepalming. Name-calling isn't going to have people listen to your opinion and come off as bratty, so I don't see a point in it other than venting, I suppose.
@JohnSmith-uk6wh
@JohnSmith-uk6wh 11 ай бұрын
Lily's whole shtick seems to be "Show creators stupid! Show fans who don't share my gripes stupid! Everyone but me stupid! They should run all their creative decisions past me for approval, because I'm the smartest, unlike you SHEEP."
@Winasaurus
@Winasaurus 10 ай бұрын
It's basically "If you make a show that I can't ship everyone in a non-cis non-straight polycule, your show is bad and you should feel bad. Also if you disagree with me or like She-Ra, opinion invalid"
@error-try-again-later
@error-try-again-later 9 ай бұрын
​@@Winasaurus basically "any show that isn't about me is bad" lmao
@themechanic9974
@themechanic9974 7 ай бұрын
@@Winasaurus you know one of her favourite shows is the owl house
@Winasaurus
@Winasaurus 7 ай бұрын
@@themechanic9974 Of course, it's full of kids. Exactly Lily's type.
@themechanic9974
@themechanic9974 7 ай бұрын
@@Winasaurus you seem like a very creepy person If you see kids as a romantic interest for a 30 year old woman
@fanaticalistic
@fanaticalistic 11 ай бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1616">26:56</a> stevonnie was never sexualized by the show, but by other characters, and they make a point in the episode that this makes stevonnie uncomfortable, that it's wrong to repeatedly flirt with people who aren't interested. As a teen who developed quicker than other girls I feel so seen in this episode. (Also yeah its fine to not like SU but to repeatedly hate on a children's cartoon for many years after it's airing is not a healthy thing for her to do)
@LadyoftheDreamless14
@LadyoftheDreamless14 10 ай бұрын
Like the whole point was that Stevonnie was about puberty and growing up and being a kid one day then bam you have a body thats different and people look at you different and people treat you different. The sexualization was to show just how creepy it is to go through that while still being little kid you on the inside... What i dont get is the idea that their age combines?? Thats not right.
@lelduck6388
@lelduck6388 10 ай бұрын
I do t think their age combines I think their masses do
@nerdychocobo
@nerdychocobo 3 ай бұрын
yeah I was thinking this. The show made it really clear that they were very uncomfortable and still a kid that just appeared older than they were. There's probably better ways to approach that concept, but I think the uncomfortable atmosphere is very much the point?
@kidanarchy2105
@kidanarchy2105 3 жыл бұрын
Can we talk about how she called making rape victims villains misogynistic, implicitly saying men can't be raped? Because... Yikes.
@aaaah540
@aaaah540 3 жыл бұрын
I hope that was unintentional.
@kidanarchy2105
@kidanarchy2105 3 жыл бұрын
@@aaaah540 Considering she used gendered language for general domestic violence as well, I don't think so. I'm a fan of hers, I wanna believe she doesn't have such a shitty take but it's hard to with the context.
@fruitloops2058
@fruitloops2058 3 жыл бұрын
I remember i swear she said she got harassed/r@ped. If thats true *wtf*
@auditect950
@auditect950 3 жыл бұрын
@@fruitloops2058 I don't think she'd intentionally caim that, I'l give her the benefit of the doubt on that. I vaguely remember her mentoining men getting raped too in a video, but I might be mistaken on that.
@von_da_bby
@von_da_bby 3 жыл бұрын
@@SirBlackReeds *She's
@dogloversunite
@dogloversunite 3 жыл бұрын
This is... just fanfiction. She’s just talking about fanfiction, that’s all she wants to see. And not even the fun kind of fanfiction given the amount of sex shaming she spouts.
@LongSinceDead1
@LongSinceDead1 3 жыл бұрын
I’m pretty sure her media consumption consists solely of fanfiction and children’s cartoons
@morningglory.2
@morningglory.2 3 жыл бұрын
@@LongSinceDead1 And her takes on said kids cartoons aren’t even good 😂
@sachicocoa9013
@sachicocoa9013 3 жыл бұрын
@@LongSinceDead1 Hence why her writing seems bland and boring.
@antonyduhamel1166
@antonyduhamel1166 3 жыл бұрын
@@morningglory.2 Well, that's a subjective opinion. An opinion I happen to agree with, but the point still stands.
@jondoe7036
@jondoe7036 3 жыл бұрын
@@antonyduhamel1166 Certainly. What else would it be? Popular culture criticism isn't a playing field for objective truths, since there's no exact science to it.
@Thelaretus
@Thelaretus 10 ай бұрын
I could not imagine Avatar: The Last Airbender having Aang and Katara finally get officially together any earlier than the Finale. Both of them had so much trauma and needed so much growth that it was the perfect conclusion.
@wherefancytakesme
@wherefancytakesme 22 күн бұрын
"Heroes sparing and redeeming villains is bad." Says the person who stans Star Wars, one of the most iconic examples of this.
@DJchilcott
@DJchilcott 3 жыл бұрын
Whenever people ask "Why doesn't Batman kill the Joker?" I want to counter with "Why doesn't the State kill the Joker?"
@jeniferjoseph9200
@jeniferjoseph9200 3 жыл бұрын
Also why doesn’t the state stop Batman? Why doesn’t Batman use his money to fix systemic injustice in Gotham? Bc it was made in 1938 by men who like seeing other men dress up as Bats and punch people. It’s a goddamn comic book. Fixing the real issues of society is important but it’s not fun to read.
@damianbelloc3709
@damianbelloc3709 3 жыл бұрын
@@jeniferjoseph9200 To answer the first question because he's fighting supervillains and can, for the most part, stop them. It'll be a waste of time unless he starts killing and even then he's helped save the world the State will let him rock. For the second question he already does as Bruce Wayne. He invests a shit load of time and money to help those that are oppressed. Unfortunately with all the crime families, shadow groups, and supervillains it's not perfect. That's why Batman exists, to cover that area.
@GeorgeDCowley
@GeorgeDCowley 3 жыл бұрын
@@jeniferjoseph9200 I mean, maybe.
@dmdoombot8796
@dmdoombot8796 3 жыл бұрын
@@jeniferjoseph9200 The state did try to stop batman, briefly, and then batman started working with the police. Gotham PD is corrupt in more ways than one.
@Sarah-pn9ut
@Sarah-pn9ut 3 жыл бұрын
"Why doesn't any other superhero kill the Joker?" Edit: I (sorta) explained my reasoning in below replies but just so I don't get any more notifications about this: I know Gotham is Batman's turf. I know things differ in DC elsewords, AUs, and main continuity. I know Batman has been shown to stop people from killing Joker. I know DC will not kill off Joker because $$$. However, my point is logically speaking, Batman is not solely responsible or to blame for keeping the Joker alive. In universe, without plot armor, stupid executive tampering, or fanservice, Joker could very well be killed/permanently captured by other vigilantes, law enforcement, or the state; Batman really doesn't *need* to kill Joker. Other characters or forces, however could kill him so there shouldn't be so much pressure on Bruce to pull the trigger. The questions and arguments about Batman's no-kill philosophy only really has merit if mainstream superhero comic books functioned like finite or evolving stories. Villians are always going to escape from Arkham, they are always going to relapse to villainy if previously reformed (unless they are like HQ and have the popularity to back them up), and they are always going to become more and more dangerous to boost the stakes of the stories they're in. In other words, Batman's philosophy is sound and understandable but the way mainstream comics are written and structured turns his "no-kill" code into a complete joke since he indirectly causes more harm than good. His villains will always be an immediate threat and they will always grow more threatening to keep good sales and fans' expectations.
@Hh-jw2fi
@Hh-jw2fi Жыл бұрын
“Rocky horror is written by a terf” …Rocky horror was written by a non-binary person lol. Lily has a tendency to call people she dislikes “terfs” even when the people are literally trans lmao
@zinkheroofyoutube8004
@zinkheroofyoutube8004 Жыл бұрын
I will say there are some trans people who work with TERFs (Blair White for example) But that is obviously not what Lily meant
@sealogic4552
@sealogic4552 Жыл бұрын
In fairness, the creator has said things that sound a little terfy. I don’t think he actually *is* a terf (deeper investigation into his identity makes that feel a little impossible) but I understand how someone can come to that conclusion when hearing quotes out of context. That being said, transphobia is quite a serious charge, and I certainly wouldn’t throw it around to people who I don’t *know* have earned it. Not to mention, rocky horror just *is* an important facet of queer art. We can’t just burn the path we carve as we walk over it, and pretend everything about culture is perfect. Humans are imperfect, and so must our art be.
@enviisyk
@enviisyk 10 ай бұрын
finally someone mentions this!! not to mention she acts like a queer story that came out half a century ago and was a trailblazer for queer media should be criticized as if it came out today without understanding the historical and cultural context of its inception. and even then the film was extremely ahead of its time and still is in a lot of ways.
@error-try-again-later
@error-try-again-later 9 ай бұрын
It must be so fucking boring to live in Lily's world istg
@atanvardecunambiel8917
@atanvardecunambiel8917 9 ай бұрын
Same human who voiced Lawrence Fletcher.
@chosoistryinghisbest
@chosoistryinghisbest Жыл бұрын
i think part of me understands the frustration of heroes not killing truly evil villains, but i think it makes sense because no matter how terrible a person may be, it comes down to whether the hero can stomach taking someone's life. we can all imagine that we'll be fine because most of us will never be in this situation, but it's a very traumatizing thing to do and experience. so it makes perfect sense to me why heros would rather not resort to murder. There is kindness to be found in a hero who despite being in the presence of evil, they choose to not take their life because they choose to not subject themself to that trauma and they choose not to subject the people around them to it either, including the villain. i think it's been implied in a lot of heros, but i would love for that point to be more explicit, that they choose not to kill because it would have such a ripple affect that it is not worth taking the life of another person.
@GloryofGore666
@GloryofGore666 4 ай бұрын
It's a pretty explicit plot point in FMA:B
@SearedBooks
@SearedBooks Ай бұрын
Personally, I really enjoy going at that from both sides in my WN. I have two MCs, one coming much later on in the story. Both of them had the mindset that they've already killed too many people to ever be redeemed, but when they were forced into different paths, one doubled down on murder, the other basically stopped fighting to focus on raising a family. Neither of them is really right, since they weren't just killing out of some joy, they hated it from the first to the last life they took. The one that doubled down was forced into a situation where he had an enemy that he couldn't talk down, that was part of a massive empire that are opposed to everything that he considers right. The other, after the civil war in the kingdom was finished, has had the option to live in peace. MC1 even returns and fights in the civil war, taking more of the burden off of MC2. But MC1 resents that he didn't really have the option of peace, and he feels like he's been robbed of it. MC2 views MC1 as a monster who refuses to stop and is deluding himself into thinking he has no other options. I don't want to extend this comment much more, but I have another character that fits in this and while the MCs both don't disagree with his justification, they can't let him go on a quest for revenge because the cost is too much for them to ignore.
@dominickeijzer5844
@dominickeijzer5844 Жыл бұрын
About number 19, as an autistic person who has ethical challenges (I'm constantly trying to define rules for something so subjective and case-by-case) and loves maths and physics, people like that DO exist. Edit: Also, some of my characters that I've made are based on stereotypes and are meant to progress far beyond that. I have a cat-themed jewel thief stereotype who's not into dudes and retired to raise children. I have a heroic "chosen one" who had a group of pals, and he became increasingly paranoid, was manipulative, and killed a child just so he could have another chance at life. I have a self-insert, except he's one of the weaker characters, and he's also given his power, not earning it or being chosen. Plus he's distinct enough from me through character development and also serves as a metaphor for authors interacting with their own works.
@overdrivedrinker8284
@overdrivedrinker8284 11 ай бұрын
Exactly what I was thinking. You can have stereotypes in your stories, as long as the characters are more than said stereotypes
@tVt2000
@tVt2000 4 ай бұрын
Damn I wanna read some of these
@HenryGray-sy4pu
@HenryGray-sy4pu 26 күн бұрын
Exactly what book was that, cause that sounds awesome.
@dominickeijzer5844
@dominickeijzer5844 26 күн бұрын
@@HenryGray-sy4pu It's something I'm actually still workshopping ideas on! The characters have been constants and have been applied to other universes as experiments, but I'm still working on outlining a full story involving them.
@carly2290
@carly2290 3 жыл бұрын
Remember: when it’s Zuko, he did nothing wrong on his own because it can all be traced back to abused, but when it’s Catra, she doesn’t deserve love or growth because she fought Adora earlier
@tylerleach8796
@tylerleach8796 3 жыл бұрын
It’s almost like people have double standards.
@ValenArtsAnimation
@ValenArtsAnimation 3 жыл бұрын
Don't let this distract you from the fact that Catra had : - Almost erase reality and make Glimmer lose her mom. - Scratched one of Octavia eyes out just because she's standing next to her. - Send Entrapta to Beast Island. - Abandoned Adora when she need her the most in season 5 ep 11. - Scratch and Jump on Adora body just because she's hanging out with Lonnie when they're kid. Even when Zuko was a kid he never act mean and rude to other like Catra
@tylerleach8796
@tylerleach8796 3 жыл бұрын
@@ValenArtsAnimation so? Doesn’t make Catra’s arc just disappear.
@ValenArtsAnimation
@ValenArtsAnimation 3 жыл бұрын
@@tylerleach8796 it doesn't matter ,Catra "arc" is poorly written anyway
@tylerleach8796
@tylerleach8796 3 жыл бұрын
@@ValenArtsAnimation 1: no it isn’t 2: why is “arc” in quotes? Doesn’t matter if you like it or not, it’s still an arc.
@ticcitobycreepypasta6969
@ticcitobycreepypasta6969 Жыл бұрын
"rule 11 dont pair adults with children" "rule 12 dont sexualiz3 teenage characters" me: (slowly looks at lily orchard's stockholm)
@junolysses
@junolysses 6 ай бұрын
and most of all, "don't write lesbian noncon" LMFAO
@Starlight-ue8jy
@Starlight-ue8jy 5 ай бұрын
@@junolyssesthat’s just a bad writing tip 😂
@moonseaeeveelutionsdance8863
@moonseaeeveelutionsdance8863 3 ай бұрын
​@@junolyssestoxic yuri enjoyers sobbing rn
@junolysses
@junolysses 3 ай бұрын
@@moonseaeeveelutionsdance8863 i love me some toxic yuri but there's a difference between that and straight up writing pedo rape "romance" like lily did 😭 there's no nuance to it
@iantaakalla8180
@iantaakalla8180 2 ай бұрын
“I DEFINITELY DON’T DO THESE TOXIC THINGS, BELIEVE ME!”
@bion-geek-le1109
@bion-geek-le1109 10 ай бұрын
creating a story is like building with LEGO, you're using the same pieces and parts as everyone else, what matters is how you stack them together to create something enjoyable and stable.
@dropslemon
@dropslemon 10 ай бұрын
I had a sinking feeling at seeing "LGBTA" twice in a row so it really wasn't surprised to see her go full mask off with telling queer people what words they can use to describe themselves. I don't know this woman (I'm gathering that she's trans based on the clear "do NOT misgender her" statement which doesn't really excuse it) but like... sorry not sorry, as a queer person, I'm going to write stories with queer characters who call themselves queer and that does a lot more for the queer community than perpetuating leftist infighting ever will.
@nerdychocobo
@nerdychocobo 3 ай бұрын
Yeah I think what people who hate being called queer don't realise is that if we call it "the queer community" then it's not including them necessarily if they don't identify as queer. Like on some levels they're interchangeable, but also queer community and lgbt+ community have some different ideas, I think
@sandraswan9008
@sandraswan9008 2 ай бұрын
​@@nerdychocobo exactly. The word queer makes a lot of sense to me to describe me, my partner, and our relationship.
@cantthinkofaname5046
@cantthinkofaname5046 3 күн бұрын
To be fair, didn’t it use to be a slur? It’s understandable if someone doesn’t want to write lgbtq+ that way based on their personal experience
@NyahGuy
@NyahGuy 3 жыл бұрын
"Thank god Lilly Orchard isn't a real writer..." Shots fired. Shots landed.
@shadetee234
@shadetee234 Жыл бұрын
Lily: Every executive producer needs to have a creative writing course and accept their faults and criticism (which I too believe as an artist and as an amateur writer). Also Lily: *writes as if she never took a writing course to begin with, never accepts her faults nor any criticism*
@afoolishfopdoodle3284
@afoolishfopdoodle3284 Жыл бұрын
The main thing that really bothers me about Lily is how she says "everyone who criticizes me just hates me because I'm a mouthy trans woman" which is not remotely true at all. I don't like you because you're a hypocrite who goes after very specific media pieces you don't like and then makes mostly bullshit criticisms of them
@Idkwhattonameit24
@Idkwhattonameit24 Жыл бұрын
ah the hypocrisy, a never ending classic
@CanadAssassiN
@CanadAssassiN Жыл бұрын
Of course she accepts criticism. Just not sh*tty criticism from people who dont matter
@TSDTalks22
@TSDTalks22 Жыл бұрын
@@CanadAssassiNlily is that you?
@MajorOctofuss
@MajorOctofuss Жыл бұрын
@@CanadAssassiN”people that dont matter” like lily orchard? Because she is not in any position to give an actual showrunner writing tips, as if they would care anyway
@brandelynnefreleng7597
@brandelynnefreleng7597 6 ай бұрын
Rule 34 is also a Steven Universe vague post, just so everyone is clear.
@dxitydevil
@dxitydevil 6 ай бұрын
Rule 34 Lol
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