Diresta Bandsaw Restoration 12: Making a Fixture to locate a Shaft for Pouring Babbitt Bearings

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Diresta Bandsaw Restoration 12: Making a Fixture to locate a Shaft for Pouring Babbitt Bearings
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@waikanaebeach 2 жыл бұрын

Keith, we have always got to play with our favourite toys. What separates the men from the boys is the size and price of their toys 😀

@TheUncleRuckus 2 жыл бұрын

Love that you have a shop kitty 👍👍

@jimmydiresta 2 жыл бұрын

This is great solution. Need to make this happen on my little giant resto. 🙏🏼👊🏼👊🏼👊🏼

@homeryoung7436 2 жыл бұрын

Had a fall and broke my shoulder. So, I’ve been watching the entire restoration of the Monarch. Enjoying it very much again.

@clypeum5063 2 жыл бұрын

hope you get well soon! Might not be the best time to break some bones.

@denniswhite166 2 жыл бұрын

@@clypeum5063 Is there ever a good time? LOL

@harlech2 2 жыл бұрын

Heal fast, man!

@clypeum5063 2 жыл бұрын

@@denniswhite166 when you are Young i guess. Cant miss Out on the learning Experience but breaking stuff while getting older sucks lol

@denniswhite166 2 жыл бұрын

@@clypeum5063 I suppose you are right. I'm 68 and I sure would have broken something when I was younger than now. Even if it means I wouldn't miss any work now.

@davidbaumer1724 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Keith. I am learning loads of stuff.

@guubagaaba8391 2 жыл бұрын

pretty sure you can solve every problem that comes your way , really nice touch !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@ianmurray2637 2 жыл бұрын

Elegant solution: simple but effective with a touch of style :)

@Yackhammer75 2 жыл бұрын

It's funny I watched a couple of your videos a few years ago where you where pouring babbits on some train parts. Funny part is I don't care much for trains. However your work and the way you present everything, well I'm still watching and I don't even own any machining tools nor have I ever done any machining. Keep up the great work my friend.

@jimandrews8047 2 жыл бұрын

Always enjoy watching how you solve each problem you have on these jobs.

@earlye 2 жыл бұрын

Nice. Seems to me these fixtures need to live with the saw. Perhaps in a little box mounted on one of the feet, along with a note: "Howdy person in 2122! Thought you could use these now that it's time to re-pour the bearings."

@jameskilpatrick7790 2 жыл бұрын

For those asking about the horizontal alignment, I'm sure he'll mention that when the time comes. First you do one plane, then you do the next. Probably reference the bolt holes, is my guess. .I love these restoration videos. Lots of interesting problems, and interesting solutions. The end result is a great old tool brought back to life and good as new, or better. Thanks, Keith, for sharing your passion with us all.

@mikemoore9757 2 жыл бұрын

A few extra hours to make some one time use fixtures for a machine that will last another 100 years is what I call a pretty good investment. Thanks Kieth!

@bin_chicken80 2 жыл бұрын

Enjoying this project a lot. Heaps of interesting problems and solutions that you are working through and explaining. Thanks Keith.

@migueltorres6073 Жыл бұрын

Very interesting method to ensure an even pour.

@newton366 2 жыл бұрын

KITTY AT 1:31 !!

@MatthewScott 2 жыл бұрын

Great thinking on that. Should work great. I hope one day to get a lathe and mill for the shop.

@waynephillips2777 2 жыл бұрын

Well that was pretty slick. You always seem to find a sensible way to proceed.

@rexmyers991 2 жыл бұрын

“Why the Horizontal Mill?” “Just because.” I LOVE it.

@robinghewitt 2 жыл бұрын

Another fun video, keep up the good work, very entertaining. If your drill is trying to start off-center on the lathe there is a wicked trick. You bring the toolpost up against the drill near the end and bend it. The drill tip can no longer wobble, it cuts oversize but it cuts concentric which straightens everything out.

@deanehill9730 2 жыл бұрын

Keith playing with his machines. Makes for a good day. Thanks for the video.

@passenger6735 2 жыл бұрын

I can foresee a couple of problems here Keith unless there is a method of aligning both shafts to each other as well as to the machine. 1. I think I would have turned an accurate outside diameter whilst the jigs were in the lathe so when you referenced off they will be identical on both fixtures. You may be lucky but it's worth checking before the pour. 2. The axle will be good in the vertical sense but there is no method for lateral adjustment. It needs to track true in two planes. 3. There is a lot of mass to heat up before the pour and you've already painted it. Great project all the same. Thanks for taking your time to do the videos.

@wallaceknifeworkshomestead 2 жыл бұрын

Great video ! I would send those brackets with the machine when its done in case the owner ever needs to re pour them. Looking forward to the next one!

@WhatAboutTheBee 2 жыл бұрын

I had the same thought. Nothing stopping Keith from doing just that. But after consideration, its probably a waste of time. The saw is very unlikely to see enough usage to ever develop enough wear to justify repouring the babbit. Reason 1: there are no guards, anywhere, on that saw. Given that a bandsaw resaw will use a very wide blade, that is a lot of scary sharp metal slinging around. Likely that Jimmy turns it on, films a video and then, with all due respect to Mr. Diresta, changes his underwear. So either blade guards are added or the saw gathers dust. Reason 2: Large modern bandsaws move the blade, not the block of wood. Moving the block of wood large enough to justify the use of this machine is a challenge, in and of itself. I can see using the saw for demonstration, but not for production. If it is for production, the moving carriage saw is far superior. Reason 3: Babbit doesn't wear out rapidly. If it did, the old timers would have used something else. Wikipedia states that in old automotive applications, babbit would last ~50K miles. That is > 1000 hours of driving. Jimmy isn't going to run it 1000 hours in his lifetime.

@martineastburn3679 2 жыл бұрын

You could line bore the Babbitt Bearing to the perfect size. In his lists he does it a number of times. Something you and the Museum to get.

@Ambidexter143 2 жыл бұрын

I enjoy seeing an expert showing his expertise and explaining why he's doing something.

@michaelryan6884 2 жыл бұрын

Good idea...nice job!

@charleslambeth4358 2 жыл бұрын

That was a good one, Thank You.

@ksingleton101 2 жыл бұрын

Very happy to see you are back to good health, Keith. God Bless, hope this year is better than the last.

@terrycannon2061 2 жыл бұрын

Just love these old iron restos. BTW that vice weighs more than some of the hobby mills. LOL

@bcbloc02 2 жыл бұрын

That endmill was a singing!

@wayneclark7048 2 жыл бұрын

Simply, if it works! Sweet! 🤓

@olevjorgensen 2 жыл бұрын

Yay, new and clean apron for the 2022 season as you promised me two weeks ago Keith. :-)

@jeremycable51 2 жыл бұрын

Much appreciated for the speed and feed info on what your actually running the machine for those of us just learning it’s extremely helpful especially for those just watching videos and doing it to figure it out

@aner_bda 2 жыл бұрын

I love all the little subprojects that comes along with a big project like this. Really cool to see it all come together slowly. Can't wait to see the babbitt pouring.

@claytonpalsson3104 2 жыл бұрын

A little mud will do it. Thanks for the video. It's wonderful to see it come back to life.

@CraigLYoung 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing 👍 Love the Cat-Booms.

@billmckillip1561 2 жыл бұрын

This kind of fitting work was a major part of producing and installing machinery back before modern precision production processes. Very interesting!

@railfan439 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video, Keith. I may not comment often, but I watch every one. Jon (transition planes)

@kejay74 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Keith! As with ANY Sunday morning quarter-backing....I believe I would have approached this a little differently. I would have left the two pieces as one until the "shelf" was machined out of the middle with the vertical mill. Then would have split them apart. Possibly with a slitting saw in the vertical mill as well. My $.02 worth. Ken

@CSWeldFab 2 жыл бұрын

I enjoy hearing the technical details of your work. The speeds and feeds help me in my learning.

@elsdp-4560 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing. Enjoyed.👍👀

@maggs131 2 жыл бұрын

I love the cat walking on his workbench. This is all mine now lol

@brucecolgate4254 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent video, as always.

@timziegler9358 2 жыл бұрын

I admire your thought process and approach in solving this issue. I am not a machinist, however I can appreciate the complexity; the study and preparation in resolving this problem. It is a valuable lesson, thank you.

@Dudleymiddleton 2 жыл бұрын

1:30 cool cat strut! Great video thank you for sharing!

@RB-yq7qv 2 жыл бұрын

Nice Job

@gregm312 2 жыл бұрын

thank you for the solution .

@jdmccorful 2 жыл бұрын

Nice work. I would offer those shelf /shaft supports to the owner as an option . Because of the fact of useability in the future. Thanks for the look.

@permutatechguy 2 жыл бұрын

Always interesting to me. I recently had the opportunity to turn a rod and thread on both ends for my shifter linkage on my Harley. Nothing like this but still do satisfying to have made a part from some bar stock to solve my problem!

@kentuckytrapper780 2 жыл бұрын

Great video Keith, keep'um coming. 👍..

@brianatbtacprod1989 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting and informative as always totally following what Keith is saying until 1:30. Then Ginger photobomed the background, and I lost all comprehension of what was being said until she left. I had to go back and watch that part again. As for the rest of the video, great job, and interesting solution.I do understand about using the horizontal mill just because it's fun. Made perfect sense to me.

@BenButler1 2 жыл бұрын

Cool stuff Keith

@TERRYB0688 2 жыл бұрын

Nice one Keith , only ever pored babbit bearing’s once, on an old 1901 Herbert lathe, wonder how you are going to align the shaft laterally 👴🏻👍

@johncollins2037 2 жыл бұрын

I am thinking exactly the same, and tune the feed and RPM in a touch more.

@nobuckle40 2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting method to ensure an even pour. 👍🏻

@WilliamTMusil 2 жыл бұрын

Hiya Keith

@AmateurRedneckWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

You always have a great video and great work. Thanks for the video.

@robertbamford8266 2 жыл бұрын

Clever solution. Wood, metal, for first cut, prep and setup 80% of time (if not 90%). Then, of course, there’s cleaning up and putting things away. Thanks for the video.

@ProfessorMAG 2 жыл бұрын

Keith, how are you going to maintain concentricity with the original babbitt bore? These supports will maintain an accurate Y plane but not in the Z axis rotational. Keep in mind the two axles need to be parallel to each other and perpendicular to the frame in both the X and Y axis. These bushings could have done both.

@BlackheartCharlie 2 жыл бұрын

I am wondering the same thing. You put it into words better than I could have. :-)

@jonbobtrader 2 жыл бұрын

They are doing both.

@bchrisl1491 2 жыл бұрын

I was also curious. The jig looks like it is solid on the vertical, but there is room for misalignment along the horizontal.

@jonbobtrader 2 жыл бұрын

@@bchrisl1491 I don't actually think the fixtures can move side to side. If they can the problem is easily solved by shimming one side and clamping them.

@6181green 2 жыл бұрын

@@jonbobtrader yes you are right he already mentioned he will be using shims

@projectsfromtheworkbench 2 жыл бұрын

That was interesting...and I see the issue...with the size of the wheel...a small misalignment on the shaft could result in significant runout of the wheel. Nice job Keith.

@crabmansteve6844 2 жыл бұрын

Keith, it looks and sounds like you have more pep in your step now, glad to see you're feeling better!

@1903A3shooter 2 жыл бұрын

Hope we get to see the pour.

@tomp538 2 жыл бұрын

Can't wait; another babbitt pour!

@kucukalika 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Keith! Nice project going on, thanks for all that. Would you consider measuring the located shaft with respect to the machined surfaces you have before pouring the babbitts? Since you didn't machine the outer surfaces of the rings, the zeros you took for second operation (milling) could result in slightly different heights for the inset of the bushings... I hope the centerline comes out great. Thank you very much for all these different series!

@pmhandymand2012 2 жыл бұрын

Would be nice to see how much the rough outer edge change the centerline!

@felixar90 2 жыл бұрын

That's a big vise.

@jbrown2553 2 жыл бұрын

As for final alignment of the shaft in the horizontal plane as well as the plane through the X-axis, I'm sure he already has a solution that we will see in the next segment. I think he maybe misspoke on the RPM he ran during the boring operation ?? He said "720 RPM" which would give around 1260 SFPM. Unless that is fine for a carbide insert. But I am just a HSS hobby machinist. (He was using around 80-90 SFPM with the HSS drills).

@shortribslongbow5312 2 жыл бұрын

Very nice video thanks for sharing. :o)

@josephkrug8579 2 жыл бұрын

And you can send the fixture blocks along with the saw in case they every do need to re-pour the bottom bearings, so that is a win win. Always love these videos...though I did have to wonder what havoc the cat was wandering along the bench edge to create at one point. :) ie maybe a 'what needs to be on the floor vs the bench' or who knows what. :)

@daleburrell6273 2 жыл бұрын

14:18...parting is such sweet sorrow-(?)

@transmaster 2 жыл бұрын

It is interesting pouring and scraping Babbitt bearings in Ford model “T”, and Model “A” engines. Talk about a rapidly disappearing knowledge base.

@barryfields2964 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Ginger.

@millomweb 2 жыл бұрын

Keith - I'm pretty sure that any cutter speed tables would be based on industrial cutting and hence with the use of flood coolant. Taking the same cut without coolant is therefore a recipe for shortening tool life (between sharpening.)

@catfishgray3696 2 жыл бұрын

PET CATS AND DOGS, SEE YOU NEXT TIME, GREAT VIDEO...

@Farm_fab 2 жыл бұрын

Keith, if you are near Fort Leonard Wood, visit the local scrap yard there if they let you, you might find some interesting materials there for your shop.

@paulcopeland9035 2 жыл бұрын

Is southern Georgia near Kansas?

@lwilton 2 жыл бұрын

Very nice! I'm interested to see what you do to make sure you have to shaft exactly perpendicular to the bearing channel so you don't have twist between the top and bottom wheels. It looks to me that the current setup can let you move either end into or out of the throat by about 0.100".

@danvandertorre6349 2 жыл бұрын

always preheat your parts before poring the Babbitt bearings or you will get a parted poring.

@lnchgj 2 жыл бұрын

You really need side shields on your glasses. Granted I have one of those mini-combo lathes/mill thyngies, and that may present hazzards you won't run into with real machining tools. But I just had a chip form the mill bounce off the upright and hit me in the left eye. Umm...No I wasn't waring shide shields, but fortunatly I was only cut in the cornor of the socket, and not blinded. I do have side shields now but not terrified into using a full face shield, unless I think there is a chance of an explosion. I enjoy your show and presentation, we'd both hate to lose that because of a errant shard of steel.

@breikowski 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video, the horizontal mill sounds great. Looking forward to more work on it. Miss the days when you were cutting gears. Now, that’s fun!

@patrickcolahan7499 2 жыл бұрын

Great fixture. You have solved the problem for aligning the centerline vertically, but how are you going to address the centerline horizontally, front to back? Cool project enjoy the problem solving portion very much. Thanks for sharing Keith.

@marvincarvin1846 2 жыл бұрын

Cat photo bombs Keith

@TheFreshmanWIT 2 жыл бұрын

So not sure you mentioned it, but how are you going to keep it straight in the "other" axis? This makes sure it isn't canted up/down, but do you have something to keep it from getting canted left-right? I would imagine a twist there would cause problems as well, right?

@MyLilMule 2 жыл бұрын

Really enjoying watching this project move forward. I am curious, what are you going to do to make sure that that shaft is not askew? Seems this will solve the problem of keeping if level with the machined surfaces, but what about making sure the shaft is perpendicular to the plane the wheels will eventually be in? The upper shaft would also need to be in that same plane.

@jservice6594 2 жыл бұрын

My concern also. While the table probably have some adjustment, the upper shaft does not. It is most important that the axis of the upper and lower shafts be exactly parallel in all 3 dimensions, otherwise the blade will wander off. By comparison, the table being off by a smidge really doesn't matter.

@stancloyd 2 жыл бұрын

Kieth has a fantastic assortment of machinist levels. Shim the table level at the machine base, then level the shaft in it's tinkers damn end plates. What am I missing? This is why I use a machinists level to level the welding table at the jack-screws in the legs,

@silasmarner7586 2 жыл бұрын

Stan, sir, normally I'd ask, "then show us your channel, chump!" but you have a WONDERFUL channel. And your point is well taken!

@justinl.3587 2 жыл бұрын

@@silasmarner7586 So if he didn’t have a channel you’d roast him? His post means the same whether he has videos or not. 🤣🤣🤣

@stancloyd 2 жыл бұрын

Any vid I've posted is lame compared to Keith, Abom, or Quinn.

@felixferreiro1723 2 жыл бұрын

hey man how are you ?( you're in the machine paradise , you're great hehehe) tell us more about this horizontal milling machine Milwaukee , and when I said more, I mean everything e some more about it i love all kinds machines so much, when i saw Matrix, I cheer for the machines of course eheheheh thanks for all this amazing content , all tips and everything, it helps me a lot

@millomweb 2 жыл бұрын

Keith - those 'rings' will you use them on the second bandsaw - I seem to recall you have - if so, they will get used again ! If not, leave them with that saw for when it goes to its new home !

@varmint243davev7 2 жыл бұрын

Looks Great ! I am curious, When I slow my feeds down, I usually slow my cutter down as well. I worry about overheating the cutter and work piece.

@gfarrell261 2 жыл бұрын

Keith, I can see how this will keep the shaft horizontally perpendicular to the table, but how do you make it so the wheel will run paralell to the centerline of the table, so the wheel doesn't "toe" in or out? Am I missing something?

@robertginther9248 2 жыл бұрын

My thought also. Would put a strap clamp to push down on the fixtures at each end as I saw the collar "wiggle" when you set the shaft in, which would improve the vertical alignment.

@daleburrell6273 2 жыл бұрын

1:31...AW, THERE'S KITTY-(!)

@johnfriend240 2 жыл бұрын

Two concerns: Machined surface is painted with what I believe you said was 2 part epoxy paint. That can be pretty thick (0.010-0.030") and not necessarily evenly distributed. Second, what controls the left to right alignment?

@markbernier8434 2 жыл бұрын

I second that thought and also wondered how he plans to keep the two fixtures tight against the machine. Perhaps F clamps?

@lwilton 2 жыл бұрын

Assuming the paint is the same thickness on both ends (yea, I know, "assuming" :-) then I don't think it matters a whit if the axis of the shaft is exactly on the machined parting line of the bearing halves. It will end up moving with use anyway. It just needs to be about parallel.

@markbernier8434 2 жыл бұрын

@@lwilton "about parallel" becomes pretty precise when you are talking about a three foot shaft turning a four foot diameter wheel.

@jpsimon206 2 жыл бұрын

In an earlier video you had referenced babbit getting difficult to track down. I recently cleaned out my shop and turned up over 200 lb of ingots of Babbitt, two or three different grades. Would this be of use to you? It's not doing me much good, it was just in a crate to weigh down the farm truck in the snow

@yak-machining 2 жыл бұрын

The Cat😂

@freddaggs1331 2 жыл бұрын

GDay to Ginger from COCO and WHISKEY from downunder

@rickburris6164 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, I love the horizontal mill. Could you possibly do a segment on class 1,2 and3 threads. I'm not sure I understand the classes. What class of thread do you generally make?

@don1031 2 жыл бұрын

Really enjoying the restoration videos. I am not a machinist but I am learning a lot watching them. I do have a question: I am wondering what led you -- besides just enjoying using it -- to choose the mill for this operation? No doubt, there are lots of ways to skin a cat but did you consider using your Marvel bandsaw for this job? I have to believe it could have done the job well and I, for one, would have loved to see it used for something like this. Just curious to know your thoughts on it.

@scottvolage1752 2 жыл бұрын

Solving problems and having fun in the shop. Does it get any better than this?

@EPtechser 2 жыл бұрын

I always find it tricky to get rid of vibration and chatter. When the fixturing is solid it all comes down to flute engagement. In this case a 6 flute cutter might have worked.

@tpobrienjr 2 жыл бұрын

Start with a CAT scan! 😁

@mayshack 2 жыл бұрын

Surely Keith knows the trick where you use a piece of tig rod to account for uneven thickness of multiple parts in the vise.

@Orxenhorf 2 жыл бұрын

1:29 - Okay... Who put this guy in the middle of our cat video?

@justinl.3587 2 жыл бұрын

Loved drilling the bushing with the center hole running out like crazy. Good way to stress your machine out. Another “Don’t do what Keith does” moment.

@pbysome 2 жыл бұрын

Don't understand why he didn't put a boring bar through it to true it before drilling?

@justinl.3587 2 жыл бұрын

@@pbysome Most machinists would do that. I mean it’s the right thing to do.

@amandaklapp1171 2 жыл бұрын

@@pbysome besides the hole not being through? Thats a lot of extra setup time

@pbysome 2 жыл бұрын

@@amandaklapp1171 not really, he has a quick change toolpost and you can bore to a blind hole no problem plus no measurements needed, five minutes tops.

@calrob300 2 жыл бұрын

I wonder how the factory poured the Babbitt originally. A similar fixture? Surprised that as finicky as I've seen Keith be on other things, he didn't sweep a dial indicator across the machined surface to check the height of the shaft.

@jservice6594 2 жыл бұрын

The bigger question is, "Where do you take this measurement from?" My answer is, the upper shaft.