Husky vs KTM EFI 250 2 Strokes | Which did I like better?

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Husky vs KTM EFI 250 2 Strokes | Which did I like better?

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I filmed this video just before having to return the Husqvarna TE 250i at the end of January 2017. At the time, I had just returned from a ride/filming day where we rode these two bikes and my 2017 KTM 250 XC back to back all day long. I had also ridden both bikes several times on their own to become comfortable on them. Most of us figured that we’d end up liking the Husky better than the KTM due to it’s linkage rear shock. Much to our surprise though, the KTM’s PDS suspension didn’t let us down, even in the high speed desert where we were doing our riding. It would have been nice to take both of them to the alpine single track, later this summer, but time wouldn’t allow it.
If I were to pick between the two, I’d give the slight favoring to the Husky, but it was splitting hairs for certain. There was just something magical to me about the way the Husky revved through the RPM range while I was riding it. I fell in love with both bikes and was terrible sad to have to return the Husky. As most of you know, I’m also giving the KTM away in a sweepstakes to a lucky viewer since I knew it was going to be a “hot bike”.
I can tell you one other thing too. Riding these bikes back to back with my 2017 KTM 250 XC shook my testimony of the XC because they were just that good. Enjoy the video.
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@turnerrandolph4256 6 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure how anyone has gave this video a thumbs down when you seem completely unbiased and praised both machines equally. Very good comparison and breakdown of both machines!

@DdDten 3 жыл бұрын

Haters gonna hate. Hahah

@foxtrot.tango.whisky 3 жыл бұрын

@@DdDten @DdDten also, owners of Huskys be sour as hell that he said their first impressions were the linkage of the Husky would prevail over the PDS system of the KTM, perhaps because they just hating because their bike didn't live up to @DirtBikeChannel's expectations OR perhaps they just being sour bitches because low-key they agree deep down that the PDS system that KTM have spent *MANY* years developing / reiterating / evolving & damn near perfecting is in fact a solution to the rear shock suspension that prevails over linkage systems that have remained stagnant in terms of evolvment & refinement of its design & implementation!!?! 🤔🤫🤔😉🙃🤔😎

@samoliverio7455 2 жыл бұрын

Cause they like obsolete Japanese bikes

@zoopa999 Жыл бұрын

@@samoliverio7455 Don't be so pedestrian... lol

@randymarsh-Tegridy420 5 жыл бұрын

Couldn’t decide on the 300s, so I got both. If you tell your wife she can ride one, she won’t get upset.

@MegaZack61 4 жыл бұрын

So? Which one is better?

@Smiling_mike 4 жыл бұрын

PDS or linkage?

@stuarthughes689 4 жыл бұрын

@@Smiling_mike I have both, and the linkage is much better. The PDS seems to be harsh and less capable of sucking up the lumps and bumps. Don't forget you with need to protect the linkage. ✌️Enjoy

@PoorCoyotee 4 жыл бұрын

@@Smiling_mike I got a -16 500, and to be honest I don't mind the PDS. The bike just works everywhere.

@moimeme7839 4 жыл бұрын

Exactly👍😎 my wife loves these bikes too

@maershkinschrabs7597 6 жыл бұрын

Considring how much little difference they have, I'd choose the Husqvarna simply because of the blue,yellow and white colour scheme 👌

@Karmadimension 5 жыл бұрын

I feel that the more simple design and less moving parts of the ktm is definitely better for any sort of trail riding. The husky looks cooler but I’ll be looking to get a ktm for its design with less parts.

@cecilyt006 4 жыл бұрын

I would GLADLY pay $300 more for the superior aesthetics of the Husky.

@Abc-ps9ox 3 жыл бұрын

Ktm looks better😂

@bobthomas2812 6 жыл бұрын

Two close to call, both are top self. I like linkage only because it's something I can lower with 28" inseam. When I was younger I didn't care if I could touch because I was limber. Age and miles have changed that. I guess you can send in the shock but more money🏁👍🇺🇸

@Scottstunts 6 жыл бұрын

The linkage on the Husqvarna is the reason I went with my TE 300 over the KTM. Plus the triple clamps are nicer.

@xXxIcedaddyxXx 4 жыл бұрын

Coming from too many years of linkage and experiencing no linkage for the first time Im going with KTM. The PDS was just nicer on trail oriented stuff imo.

@mvuyisenisofunwa1888 4 жыл бұрын

@@xXxIcedaddyxXx what is the advantage of linkage?

@xXxIcedaddyxXx 4 жыл бұрын

@@mvuyisenisofunwa1888 I think the primary advantage of linkage is anything at speed, I have not had a chance to ride both setups on similar bikes. I ride PNW trail all year round, stuff here gets gnarly real quick. The pds just seems to handle the slower technical stuff with ease while at the same time soaking up big square edges without making the experience uncomfortable or uncontrollable. I think both setups are good and really play their best when it's tailored to the rider which is something a lot of people don't do or overlook. Get the sag and valving right for you and feel like a champ.

@mvuyisenisofunwa1888 4 жыл бұрын

@@xXxIcedaddyxXx I ride enduro so in my view I wanted to say linkage protection is an extra cost that is needed. To protect it against rocks

@xXxIcedaddyxXx 4 жыл бұрын

@@mvuyisenisofunwa1888 For sure, no linkage means less maintenance and more ground clearance. I've not had much of an issue though and there is protection you can buy for it.

@john0887 6 жыл бұрын

Wish I could afford one :(

@cumnmrmptaaa4234 6 жыл бұрын

Id buy the husky for the styling

@reddymon 4 жыл бұрын

cumnmrmpt aaa Except the worst possible color for a dirt bike is white. Every scratch shows like it was painted on.

@thunderthrustable 4 жыл бұрын

John Walsh looks good as hell tho 🤤

@noirxplorer3185 4 жыл бұрын

They feel heavier to me.

@journey994 6 жыл бұрын

We need to get Kyle to review a GasGas

@supertedogpriken 5 жыл бұрын

People have been asking for a gas Gas enduro review for as long as this channel has been alive. But it just seems that in Dirt Bike Channel`s world a Gas Gas enduro bike does not exist....

@Smiling_mike 4 жыл бұрын

supertedogpriken they don’t exist or compare. Viewers don’t want GasGas.

@Freaki91 4 жыл бұрын

Ktm bought gas gas so maybe in 2021

@georgebrown9329 4 жыл бұрын

M P I have a Gas Gas ec125 ENDURO BIKE 🤦

@noirxplorer3185 4 жыл бұрын

Yes

@danielc5205 5 жыл бұрын

I think the white Husky looks better than the orange KTM. I wish Yamaha would make the YZ 250X EFI with electric start.

@hh65flyer 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for doing all those upgrades to my bike Kyle... :-)

@tezzanewton 6 жыл бұрын

Now you need to do a 250 vs 300 review to help me make up my mind.

@stoned_snake8763 4 жыл бұрын

300 all the way

@orlandosanchez5638 4 жыл бұрын

Stoned_Snake why ?

@thunderthrustable 4 жыл бұрын

Orlando Sanchez well if your looking for enduro/woods/ desert racing a 300 is better

@katietrotter9374 3 жыл бұрын

@@thunderthrustable then what do they make the 250 for?

@thunderthrustable 3 жыл бұрын

@@katietrotter9374 250 is also good for that and its good for track too. 250 two stroke is a fast ass bike

@BLDH 6 жыл бұрын

Even tho i am from Sweden, I might prefer the looks of the KTM.

@mxrider2strokebraaap54 6 жыл бұрын

BLDH 😂 your videos are great dude

@ejikmeister3757 6 жыл бұрын

BLDH Nä nu blir jag fan besviken på dig

@Kornnutz9669 6 жыл бұрын

Can I have the Ktm dirt bike

@peterbrown4943 6 жыл бұрын

Guess your trying to say since you from Sweden you are dumb.

@jeffloucks2120 5 жыл бұрын

Blasphemy !!

@HobbitHomes263 4 жыл бұрын

My neighbor's son and his buddy did the Tour if Idaho a couple years ago. One of them was on an old Hodaka Wombat. It's a 125 Fin-Head 2 stroke. The other kid was on a 1974 Yamaha Enduro which I think is a 175. By contrast, I've now seen 4Tour of Idaho videos in which new injected KTMs just quit running

@crforbez 5 жыл бұрын

So the KTM is lighter, cheaper and will require less maintenance (via the exclusion of the rear linkage) but they ride so similar you could not choose a winner.. sounds like a pretty obvious choices to me and it also sounds like KTM is absolutely nailing the concept of a low maintenance 2 stroke trail bike. If I had more time and money I would be all over the KTM 300 TPI. Thanks for the video.

@stevenburton7922 3 жыл бұрын

Great show Kyle...you are definitely doing what you were called to do!

@Jacare1973 6 жыл бұрын

In your review I think it comes down to the pipe. They will run slightly different with a gnarly over a fatty pipe. Put the same pipe on both & they will run the same.

@quikcolin 6 жыл бұрын

Great job, Kyle! Ton of work, time and effort goes into these videos! Thank you! BTW, the rust on those chains is giving me anxiety lol

@crazychicken675 4 жыл бұрын

Best dirt bike channel on youtube, thanks

@TaskSwitcherify 5 жыл бұрын

Nice, fair apples-to-apples comparison! Thanks.

@noirxplorer3185 4 жыл бұрын

250XC-W is the best bike I've ever ridden in the woods.

@jorda.2412 6 жыл бұрын

what do you like better. a Mercury5.0 or a Ford 5.0?

@smileygirl1831 4 жыл бұрын

yea. same owners. so whats the difference right?

@zachk7268 4 жыл бұрын

PDS vs Linkage, Brembo vs Magura, Mapping, Weight, Carbon vs aluminum sub frame, pro taper vs Nikken,, forged vs billet triples, etc, there’s differences.

@ExploringCabinsandMines 3 жыл бұрын

I like GMC over Chevy...

@hh65flyer 6 жыл бұрын

I love the drone footage compilation on this video... can you do a more in depth video some day about your setup? What you like and dislike about your drone(s), its range, shooting technique, editing/format challenges?

@patrickcavanaghkilmartin 4 жыл бұрын

I'd love these engines in a road bike too. Great review. Thanks

@ssj4357 6 жыл бұрын

I would pick the Ktm because I think the orange looks better then white.

@jasonspies8760 4 жыл бұрын

First, I bleed blue... I have been riding husky for many years and I love them HOWEVER... I will be changing my next bike to the KTM for only one reason but I feel it’s a huge one.. “the subframe” I have now broken the subframe in my husky every year and multiple times on my current TX300... the cost is crazy for plastic and this is the story for many of my husky family friends. People everywhere have been reporting the same issues “especially in the winter months” and sadly, the guys at the husky shop say that the new 2020 is even worse, they can keep subframes in stock and report that they are robbing new bikes to keep up to the demands... I never thought I would publicly denounce husky but it’s time to move on... sad

@stuartflora3781 3 жыл бұрын

When bikes get this close, I have to admit my preference to just the ktm color

@goodboyringo9716 6 жыл бұрын

We are losing 2 strokes because of emissions but the GOV lets diesel truck blow black soot from it's pipes. Airplanes do the same & drop the fuel before landing. But thats ok go after the dirt bikes. That makes about the same sense as ..... You can have a gun but not a firecracker .

@jjjjjjjjrifufjssjosskenf 5 жыл бұрын

Ringo Gingo what exactly do airplanes do before landing? You are correct with the diesel except for the fact that the trucks are modified to “roll coal” planes don’t dump fuel. Do you think the airlines would waste money like that?

@goodboyringo9716 5 жыл бұрын

No I don't think they would waste fuel but that is what I've been told they do. I'm sure you have heard the same store! My point is the Gov is attacking 2 strokes while letting diesel trucks and airplanes blow black soot so thick the eye can see it clearly

@HashAssett 5 жыл бұрын

@@jjjjjjjjrifufjssjosskenf If in an emergency situation and the airplane has to lose as much weight as possibly it will dump every last drop of fuel until it hits reserve right before it lands. In the military, fighter jets do this before landing on aircraft carrier's so that they don't blow out suspension parts and damage strain gauges and other stuff. Commercial airlines do it in emergencies, military does it every time. I was in aviation in the Navy and it's a real thing, they don't care about your tax dollars flying through the air. Sometimes the planes launch and go a circle around the boat and come back. Then they dump 500k worth of fuel right before landing. It's fucking stupid. One plane landing produces more emissions than 4 days of LA traffic, which takes every single two stroke motorcycle in the world running on WFO throttle running 32:1 for about 2 years straight. The government is just pointing fingers to have something to do I guess. I haven't figured that part out yet.

@juniorhi4993 3 жыл бұрын

I think I’d rather take the Husky they’re almost the same thing I kind of just like the color more to

@Jmastroni1981 9 ай бұрын

Why is the new ones more expensive than the KTM if KTM Is Suppose to be the better bike?

@EMOSENYUM 5 жыл бұрын

I heard that the linkage help to hit bigger jump, so with a bit of tuning, we could use the te250 on motocross track. That's why i prefer te TE over the exc.

@EMOSENYUM 5 жыл бұрын

Update: I've found out that TE carbon subframe is fragile. So now i prefer EXC over the TE

@AlbertKlanort Жыл бұрын

@@EMOSENYUM Ktm exc 300 tpi is big beast🗿👹

@EMOSENYUM Жыл бұрын

@@AlbertKlanort for sure. i decided to take exc250 a few weeks after posting this comment. Exc is a beast

@AlbertKlanort Жыл бұрын

@@EMOSENYUM I have been wondering for a few weeks which engine to take next year for heavy climbs in the forest and difficult trails Ktm exc tpi 300 2018 or Beta RR 300 2018 can you help me with some arguments

@EMOSENYUM Жыл бұрын

@@AlbertKlanort I personally think both bikes are great and capable to do what you want. But for more technical argument, you may need to look for others' opinion on forums or even ask experienced rider as I believe their overall opinion is far credible than mine

@tonywillingham8109 6 жыл бұрын

I spoke with Eric Gorr about increasing the low end on a yz250 and said adding a spark arrestor and/or a shorty silencer would increase the low end.

@dirtcurt1 3 жыл бұрын

In truth you may have run into noticing differences if you compared two of the exact models of KTM or Husqvarna. Sometimes identical machines run different.

@jamiewilson524 6 жыл бұрын

Don't mean to be that guy but on a two stroke it is NOT a header pipe. It is an expansion chamber. Good vid.

@addicted2tone349 6 жыл бұрын

Jamie Wilson thank you.. That was nails on a chalkboard for me when he said header pipe..

@youredogwater2412 2 жыл бұрын

Want to buy one of these bikes in the future but I'll stick with my husqvarna wre125 for now

@arikyakir1468 6 жыл бұрын

same bike, fake "competition". chose whatever you want, KTM get the money...

@mertcanayhan 5 жыл бұрын

No husky is better than bajaj. Opps sorry ktm*

@DGfilms1996 6 жыл бұрын

Hey Kyle, do you still plan on doing that honda cr250 build? I think that would be a fun series to show you don't need the latest to have fun in the sport! Love the videos.

@dannylorenze6188 6 жыл бұрын

Since the KTM is a few pounds lighter and a few hundred dollars cheaper I would think that the KTM would have an edge on the Husky. It would be different if you would benefit from the linkage but it sounds like that's not the case and not that noticeable. Thanks for the comparison.

@anthonycaldi7056 4 жыл бұрын

They are both sweet machines. Great Video!

@christerstefansson1178 6 жыл бұрын

The ktm are slimmer över the gastank and looks smaller due to orange collur over White

@stoned_snake8763 4 жыл бұрын

could you do husaberg vs Ktm vs husky or something. Just compare a husaberg 250 or 300 to something

@Rxtx_325 5 жыл бұрын

Never ride a husq before but I love my new Ktm 300 exc tpi 19.

@ReeceTasker 6 жыл бұрын

Trick to starting it when its really cold is to NOT use the cold start.....just hit the button no throttle

@timshaffer5773 6 жыл бұрын

Great video. Love the views of the areas you ride in. You need to have a shirt sale to sponsor a ridding trip with you for a viewer

@BrokenBondsTV 6 жыл бұрын

Just curious between the KTM and the Husky, when the suspension is set up for your weight, is there a difference in seat height when sitting on the bike (basically I am wondering if the husky's linked suspension sites lower than the KTM PDS when loaded - allowing the rider to be closer to being flat footed). Thanks for putting together these videos, great stuff!

@AndrewBrowner 4 жыл бұрын

a brand new EFI bike works good on the first few rides? amazing! go dump each one in a few puddles dump them on some rocks and see how they work in 5 years... my suzuki atv direct injection is on 15,000kms without a hiccup never split the case or even had it have a bad day

@nwhuckin7761 4 жыл бұрын

Should be able to adjust clickers! Haven’t found anything that makes a bigger difference in rideability

@johninwv807 5 жыл бұрын

Never adjust the PV on a TPI bike, the timing is set from the factory to match the PV setting. Adjusting the PV will throw things off, not sure why they even left it as an adjustable design.

@mmgg2277 5 жыл бұрын

I just got a husky te 250i and I love it

@madman432000 5 жыл бұрын

You adjusted the power valve when they say in the manual to not adjust the power valve on the TPI models.

@r.cic1596 4 жыл бұрын

Phil Ward why do they say that?

@Velocity3600 4 жыл бұрын

He should review a TM and see how he likes and how it compares to beta and gas gas because i think they are all Italian (i think).

@roofcatosrs2128 6 жыл бұрын

how do you people afford these new dirtbikes :( im still riding an '02 yz 250

@cadwarrior 6 жыл бұрын

Roof Cat OSRS get your own business and stop giving your money to your boss, your boss is buying new dirtbikes with your money.

@roofcatosrs2128 6 жыл бұрын

maybe someday. only 21

@cadwarrior 6 жыл бұрын

Roof Cat OSRS no worry! at 21, i didnt had a dirtbike period, and had a shitty car and was totally broke! at least you have one, and yz are great reliable machine!

@BluuSkyz 6 жыл бұрын

Tell me about it, I'm still on my dated ass 2001 KDX 200.

@daxashlock8109 6 жыл бұрын

cadwarrior same struggle as y’all have /had got any recommendations on something to do or any ideas?

@garyschneider2628 5 жыл бұрын

Did I hear you correctly when you said you set the power valve? Isn’t that a no no in tip bikes?

@samcooper4984 3 жыл бұрын

I would just go on price aswell cause both look great so couldn't even pick on looks

@mrdilligaf1968 4 жыл бұрын

Buy the one you can get parts for at a good price

@austinmaness8339 2 жыл бұрын

Man am I glad I found your channel. Bike shopping is a real headache. Do you know if they've fixed the leaking issues on new models?

@lalispeedsparse4350 6 жыл бұрын

But the husky have DID wheel, pro taper bars and magura brakes

@ExploringCabinsandMines 3 жыл бұрын

But are the headlights the same brightness? chains same amount of links ? fail....

@red-dog1032 6 жыл бұрын

I have a fe350 an love it!! I would go for the husky if it rides just as good as my bike 👍🏻🔥

@noirxplorer3185 4 жыл бұрын

Like to see a 250 comparison between the ktm, gas gas, & husky.

@lemoinexavier 4 жыл бұрын

Great review. Scenery!

@DezertSlayer 6 жыл бұрын

I almost fell off of that hill at 11:24 last Friday! Small world haha

@jonathanlink1006 5 жыл бұрын

Can you do the same review on the 300xcw vs. TE300i ?

@mxrider2strokebraaap54 6 жыл бұрын

Great review, those are dream bikes🤩

@craigbadder321 2 жыл бұрын

Almost same ktm and husky.i want to know which is affordable parts,maintenance???..which manufactuer best buy affordable dirtbikes ?????????.

@mixalis6168 6 жыл бұрын

Both are great bikes !!!

@WilliamHueppauff 6 жыл бұрын

Great video! Thank you!

@johndon5637 2 жыл бұрын

Husky factory triple clamps make a big difference

@orangektmkid 6 жыл бұрын

Great ridding footage

@markwilson8811 5 жыл бұрын

You adjusted the power valve on a tpi? That's supposed to screw the ecu programming up.

@kamarudinmohdpiah6002 4 жыл бұрын

hahaha how easy you to believe the rumours you heard... im using redspring on my 2018 ktm 250tpi exc.. 120 hours now without issue.... just remove the bottom end once at 80hours to change the piston set but i change mind after looking at the piston condition and measurement is just like new and nothing worn out, so just changed the rings only... worth it using a bit expensive 2t oil but after all it helps protects my piston from wearing, save a lot of money ..

@smileygirl1831 4 жыл бұрын

I could never live without a 2 stroke

@fernando_dominguez 6 жыл бұрын

Awsome video thanks!

@stephenjacob9316 5 жыл бұрын

Why did the ktm have a tubeless setup? That makes a huge difference in how the bike handles. Not a good comparison

@junkhondas481 3 жыл бұрын

I’m not a big ktm guy. I stick to Honda and Kawasaki. Ya I know I’m boaring. But I love the tpi becuse I am a two stroke lover. I wish Honda did something like this to keep the smoke around

@baneeyboy Жыл бұрын

How lower can u make the KTM ? I'm getting one tmrw and I'm short 😅

@AlteredBaron 5 жыл бұрын

That Amazing background footage.

@mcdevelopment2947 5 жыл бұрын

Speaking of flaws, a major one for me is the crap design how the header pipe leaks I burnt 2 stroke oil between the cylinder and pipe.

@putbinoot 6 жыл бұрын

Are people not finding cracks in the bottom of the oil tank , it's not leaking out the cap.

@jamesc6137 5 жыл бұрын

Good breakdown

@roberthirst761 Жыл бұрын

Ktm own husqvarna since 2013 and you can't split the difference between them? Well there's a surprise lol

@dannylorenze6188 6 жыл бұрын

Great job!

@darringoodbrand6603 6 жыл бұрын

Like ktm bikes fancy buying the 300 2stroke think there real nice

@mke7876 6 жыл бұрын

Have you reviewed a beta?

@rylon3144 4 жыл бұрын

I noticed a TU bliss tire on the KTM

@HashAssett 5 жыл бұрын

I miss when Husky's were made by BMW. So much more reliable and felt way more planted. Now they feel like KTM's younger adopted brother.

@mrcartaz5925 5 жыл бұрын

Bmw almost ended husky.... Ktm are the best thing to ever happen to them.....bmw only ever made the engines

@firedeggs456 6 жыл бұрын

Great vid! Love those bikes, I'd love to get one someday.

@idrissalam 6 жыл бұрын

Dude, the 2 bikes are not the same for the test. You look to have tubliss on your ktm so it make a difference on the traction and weight. So could influence your friends decision on the riding.

@rojobandito318 5 жыл бұрын

Same tire pressure would make them too similar to notice a difference

@kkooloo5781 4 жыл бұрын

Both Made by same manufacturer Kraftfahrzeg Trunkenpolz Mattighofen Now ?

@swagswag6286 5 жыл бұрын

How the gearbox ratio on the husky? Does it also have such a slow 1st gear like the KTM?

@TheBraps 6 жыл бұрын

Are you going to try and get your hands on one of the SWM RS300R for a review when they come to the states? Apparently they are going to be here this year sometime.

@danielh5127 5 жыл бұрын

They are supposed to be pretty similar to the husqvarna which where produced while they where owned by bmw Scince it is the same factory manufactoring them

@tl5108 6 жыл бұрын

I just wonder how the shitty ethanol gas would affect the fuel injection. We all know how much of a pain it is with the carbs.

@danerose1702 5 жыл бұрын

pizza with pineapple crust lol

@l3yfajamz 5 жыл бұрын

I prefer husky look better plus they win more enduro races over ktm every year graham jarvis can prove that lol but tbh they are both amazing machines and anyone would be lucky to own ether bike

@fgugs 6 жыл бұрын

Sick!

@TheRizzardOfOzzzz 2 жыл бұрын

Would you recommend the 250xcw over the 300xcw?

@shawnmckenzie7469 5 жыл бұрын

Do you have a comparison of the gas gas 300 with other 300s on

@karlwalker1771 4 жыл бұрын

ALL I want to know is the Latest 2 strokes as much fun as the KX/CR/RM from the 80`s 90`s? The 2 stroke ECU/ INJECTION SYSTEM HAS FIXED THE EMISSIONS CONTROLS YES or NO? I am deeply saddened that the 2 stroke has been witch hunted into NON existence in the UK as this engine is a real fun powerhouse. I currently ride and own a FIRESTORM/SUPERHAWK and even this machine is under scrutiny here in the UK Due to Emissions lol:) PS I would love a review on an Electric scrambler and every channel has AVOIDED this CRITERIA, Do you think you could BREAK THE MOULD? PPS Why has none and I do mean non of the big bike manufacturer, EVER made or indeed pushed an all "ELECTRIC SCRAMBLER" a MACHINE THAT RUNS FOR 50-80 MILES on 1 charge and is based for the AVID green laner or passionate scrambler? I find it odd that no bike manufacturer has pursued the small lithium ion bikes for the masses as Honda made and survived after the war making small 50cc bikes with OK power for decades and subsequently made THE WORLD GO ROUND:)