See BigfryTV's deep dive video here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eZ1debyCksqdlYE.html

If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it is clearly defamation to call it a duck.

Hey Sid, dare you to try and reach out to their office in Australia… Level 4, 220 Queen street (Australian address they listed) doesn’t exist… 4/220 Queen street is residential property about 100kms from where they’re trying to say they are (different city, suburb and post code). I’m from the area, I’ve never heard of these idiots until these videos popped up. Happy to be proven wrong but I go past that area like once a week for the last 4 years and unless they added a building I never noticed, that’s sketchy as hell :P

I live about 4 suburbs from their (alleged) Brisbane office, and I will say handily: This is a scam. Come at me, devs.

Hmm.... Offices based in Australia, huh? I'm reporting them to our ACCC.

So their company registered office is in Queensland, their actual office is in Queensland, yet their Terms and Conditions state that the laws of New South Wales applies to any court proceedings. I'd imagine that's a bit odd from a jurisdiction perspective.

It should be a sign, when a company is handing out defamation claims against KZfaqrs presenting facts. RUN!

As an Australian I feel ashamed these scammers share the same country I do.

as expected; they get called out with evidence, and their first response is to lash out and threaten a Lawsuit.

The *BEST* way to shut them all up is to *REPORT* and submit all of the information collected to the FTC, IRS, and FBI - and ANY relevant agencies who monitor fraud and possible privacy violations.

Are you sure they belong on "Dirty Devs"? I mean the party in question has to be presenting a game in the first place, doesn't it?

You know what i feel right now? Total biscuit. Makes me happy knowing his influence is still strong.

1:24 thank you had this discussion with a Earth 2 defender and they acted like your supposed to magically know they are making a video game. Even though they have currently no proof to such claim, and if they do it's not public information. Which isn't your problem it's theirs.

How is this MasterCard thing even legal? Don‘t they need a bank license for these kind of holdings?

I just full-on double facepalmed for a good 30 seconds at the earth2 mastercard bit. Jesus christ. Something ELSE they can use to completely cancel you whenever they feel like it. They REALLY do not want to allow you to take any potential profits at all out of this.

Wow, they really went "Hey, we're not some shady scheme, and we'll prove by acting even more like a shady scheme!" didnt they?

"It's not a scam therefore it is not a scam." - Earth2 Devs

I can really feel that total biscuit influence in there. Good job man.

I dont understand why anyone would buy stuff in this 'game' (i use that term lightly). The only thing the developers have worked on and seem to care about is trading of land. They briefly mention 'ready player one' as an inspirational goal but neglect to mention anywhere at all actual game features. Who wants to own land and build structures in a 'game' that has no player presence, ai, task system, objectives or other gameplay elements. How do they plan on hosting and controlling an entire virtual planet of players in realtime? The entire thing screams of scam

Got here before Earth 2 blocked the video on defamation grounds. You know it's coming.

They used to have paypal but I bet they somehow breached paypal ToS because they later removed paypal

Right as i watched the part 1! And to semi-repeat myself: It’s made so much more pathetic by the fact it’s genuinely the most obvious Ponzi scheme i’ve ever seen

Building , home owners, land owners, should sue Earth 2 owners for using the image of their land / building without permission.

I dont get why KZfaq is getting involved with defamation complaints. Copyright makes a certain amount of sense, but defamation? I doubt a content host site like KZfaq could be sued for defamation done by its users the same way they could for copyright.

Aside from "demafation" accusations, they even go around bothering the commenters, demanding to present a "proof" for every fart, lol. Traditional scammer's pettiness, nuff said. We've all seen it a thousand times already.

it's a pirated google earth charging you to click a square lmfao

I feel like the devs' boasting of being part of the D.R.O.N.E developement is a bit like shooting themselves in the foot with its current state. Sure, it's successful, but the fact it's still in Early Access and as pointed out, last update 8 month ago is really pointing out how they're ready to drop a project as soon as more money can be made elsewhere. No regards to backers and players of previous project. I feel dirty just thinking about it.

... this sounds like it's going to turn into some bizarro bank. Don't be surprised if they start offering actual loans at some point.

Well we’re onto the denial phase, now we just have to wait for this “game” to implode and some illegal behaviour to come to light.

*I want this to be abundantly clear: the two that came from the D.R.O.N.E game are no longer working with that team* . Following the comment that the 'devs came from D.R.O.N.E' (update: which where actually co-founders); the development team has been actively posting updates on their discord and in their post from 01/28/21 they mention that both of the said -devs- co-founders are no longer working with the team: "There's been silence for a long time because things were unclear. Nathaniel and Ferran have decided to follow a different career path with another company. We're all saddened to part ways, but we respect their decision and wish them only the best for the future. We've already started adopting Nathaniel's and Ferran's responsiblities within the company and project, but as you can imagine this is not an easy task and requires time. Of course, Nathaniel and Ferran are assisting us to the best of their abilities with this transition." Which it's assumed this is *apparently* the reason why the game has gone without a *playable update* for months now, clearly the two jumped ship out of no where to join/create this ponzi scheme. As of their last post (05/28/21) they're working on a deal, likely trying to hire extra hands to make up for the unexpected empty space and maybe even fighting a legal battle against the two - but that's entirely conjecture, no one knows for sure what the 'deal' actually is - which is making things more difficult: "We've been looking for options on how to continue developing (in a good, healthy, sustainable way) and at the moment we are focused towards a very promising deal for Drone. While we cannot provide more information at this point, we're looking at a secure future for Drone. The project is still alive and we're not giving up. We miss you." That said, D.R.O.N.E *could* still very well be another early access 'abandonware' game. Only time will tell.

So you have to give them your full name, adress, bank account details, etc. to withdraw funds? Yeah a lot of people will get their bank accounts emptied.

Not even remotely close to defamation - trollers going to troll.

The best part is all the rabid fanboys getting upset about the truth coming out lol

this thing is turning in a cult like star citizen

How can they be a dirty dev if they haven't even developed anything yet :P

It definitely smells like a Ponzi sceme

Between all the half baked releases, garbage games, scams and just plain bad content these days I feel like I should just abandon any modern gaming and just enjoy old games and their healty, talented communities. It beats any modern alternatives now.

I’ve been making videos about a dirty developer truebones joe McPeek that’s been scamming unreal engine and unity developers for years now. Extremely delusional, stalks and harasses people. Multiple restraining orders. Seems to actually believe he created all the motion capture animation on the Internet. I’m wondering how you go about running this character past these larger KZfaqrs to see if it’s worth their time to talk about. His obscurity is letting him make money even though he’s already directly had to argue with epic games lawyers and Tim Sweeney himself

The more you know about this company, the more red flags pop up. And the more you want to avoid them and feel sorry for anyone taken in by their marketing. This sounds like the kind of company that askes for huge amounts of personal information from people who want to bail, so they can still make money from ex users by selling all their information. Get ready for an overflowing spam box in your email if they have your info. And that's the least of your worries if you put money into this venture (i'm gonna call it a venture because it will never turn into a game).

Somehow I found it frustrating that people actually fell for this shite. I mean, come on. Even without the whole land selling thing, the promise of a 1:1 replica of Earth for a VR MMO game built on Unity would have already be a goddamn dead giveaway that it’s a scam

It's going to incorporate every style of known Gameplay, its going to support VR, its going to make you rich, its going to support crypto, it's going to create its own mastercard, but for some reason getting connected to PayPal is just beyond their capabilities 😂😂😂😂

I won't even send Facebook a picture of my face to verify my account, wtf makes you think I'm gunna give you my bank information 👀

cause suing someone for having a negative opinion definitely wouldn't enforce the idea they're scammers lol

The five dislikes are the people that are being scammed and are in such disillusionment. That they can't fathom being lied too.

if they were genuine they wouldn't react like this. They would laugh and put out an explanation. Instead it's "DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH" shame.

Earth 2 developers cry in pain as they strike out at you

To the Earth 2 supporters who cannot read ... I encourage you to have a lawyer read the terms of service for you and explain them to you. If you still want to proceed then it will be your problem still in the end. But y’all keep complaining saying we didn’t do our research .... but did you ?

Thanks again for your hard work in warning us against these kind of people, we truly need more people like you

I'm so happy these guys are getting what's coming to them

Using Unity to try and build an MMO, spending real money on virtual real estate... This is just Greedmonger: The Sequel.

Who could fall for a scam that stupid? No game, no value, all big talk. People have way too much money and time.

8:51 Wait, hold up, wtf, THIS is where Nathaniel and Ferran went when they left D.R.O.N.E.? I expected something along the lines of them just merging somewhere into the game development ecosystem where income and success would be more stable and reliable, but nope, apparently a blatant freaking scam is what they decided to work with. Don't know how much they have been tricked into doing this or if they just genuinely went "a scam would be a great source of money right about now" but either way, I am utterly baffled to see them here. Also, DRONE is not dead... at least not yet. As you would expect, two people leaving a team of originally five people is quite the heavy hit, but we still have some people left and they are signalling, that they want to make this game happen (the update 8 months ago may have been the latest update to the game itself, but it wasn't the last thing we heard from the devs) within reasonable bounds. We'll see how that goes, I suppose...

So when Part 1 was released, there were at least 3 accounts in the comment section that were theirs. And even advertised for people to join them. Most of the comment section engaged with them saying "Bitconneeeeeeeeect" and so on. I would not be surprised if those little shits will be back for round 2. But one comment does pop up. They gave Sid's investigatory work an F because they failed to look at who the Dev team was. Part 2 covers that. They're nobodies. Shit, I could boot up a 3DS modeller and have more portfolio than all of them combined within a week. And one of those accounts even had the nerve of calling one of their staff a "guru". Someone, who has no accomplisments to their name, a "guru". A "whoru" would be more accurate, as no one in the industry has ever heard about them. Fully knowing marketing jargon, it's easy to understand when someone is leaning onto it far too much, and that's usually a red flag there's something wrong with the product. Here is to hide there is no product. And one thing Sid had wrong. Regading PayPal. It's not that they arent making efforts to use PayPal. According to several comments, they had PayPal before, and then got banned from the platform. As a sidenote, PayPal has a very low tolerance threshold for scams. I'm not saying that's what it was, but it sure looks like it.

Ain't it nice when right after you make a video the subject gives you a reason to make more videos.

OMG another sidalpha video within 24 hours! It must be Christmas for the internet.

Those self-fellating ""developer"" backgrounds just screams: "Fake it 'till you make it"

I think calling them dirty is an understatement.

HE SAID THE THING! - Now we only need RIDGE SHADOW WALLET!

This sounds like somthing the FTC or other agency should be informed of.

Has anyone else noticed that everyone who has had a payout from Earth 2 and has shown their proof, it says “refund,” before the amount they took out? I think this is due to their Legal terms. Specifically relating to the part dealing with Tax, that could be due from any profit made from the sca….”game.” I think some money laundering is also at play here. They also say in their terms of service that any and all info you provide to them, is now their property to do with whatever they want and is NOT CONFIDENTIAL.…..So they can sell any information you give them. Remember…..To take out money, you need to give them all your personal info, including pictures of your passport or drivers licence and bank account details. You give them that personal information and according to their legal terms of service, you’re giving them the rights to that information and they do not treat it as confidential…..Meaning they can sell any of your personal details they want to sell, to anyone. You’d have to be extremely stupid to agree to that.

If you do get sued, send me a fucking PayPal link. I will personally donate to hire a lawyer for you Sid.

Those who cry lawsuit the moment something goes sideways HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING of the law. They'll threaten a lawsuit because that's the only thing that it'll serve. A scare tactic. If you have any inkling as to the costs/time/paperwork required for a lawsuit, you wouldn't cry from the rooftops that you're going to sue someone because, of all things, negative headlines.

I feel like whenever people go full ham to defend a product (normally with exactly the same argument), people are depending on it to succeed or are bots/extremely naive. You don't need to be a genius to realise their monetary scheme is not sustainable (as it depends on constant inflow to have payoutable credits). Also making their own credit cards... How long until they want you to use their system as the main bank account. Happy trails, from Australia

> Guy robs a store. > Store owner records and reports his store being robbed by guy. > Guy cries "dEfAmATiOn!"

Wait, people spend *real Money* to buy tiles in a virtual world and so on?

I believe in your first yesterday. You said "from this point forward, it is conjecture on my part" Which would mean its even less likely to be defamation.

"we are now adding Virtual Mastercard!" Game?

Oh god defamation accusations. One of the classic dirty Dev moves! Next up will probably be the dmca take down attempts.

Second Life, without the Life

Thanks for covering this! It's crazy that creators can get videos blocked for something like this (along with how many other silly ways you can get demonetized, dropped to the bottom in search rankings, etc).

you beat me to it! this is perfect, im awaiting my content strike too

This Earth 2 and Planet IX stuff is incredibly scummy but incredibly fascinating.

Triple A: *We're Sorry, we will do better next time and try and communicate better* Indie: *Gets assmad and attempts Defenstion lawsuit* 2 sides of the coin of how NOR to do gaming.

It's a scam and they know it. But this move really doesn't surprise me. I just watched your first video about an hour ago and as I was watching it I knew they were going to claim defamation.

oh Block it in Aussie Land. Hello VPN!

Any gamer that gives money to these kinds of companies is really dumb. I just don't understand people who fall for something like this or Star Citizen or any other gaming scam.

This is so flawed. Just buy a ton of land in the center of the Pacific, Atlantic, North, and South Poles then build a massive blockade that you can't easily pass and charge everyone a ton to pass... this is assuming if there needs to be transport for resources/ travel.

I'm honestly impressed how fast the Earth 2 "devs" called out Defamation XD

I'll believe it's a game when it's a game just like Star Citizen (which is currently a tech demo).

Wait a moment, I must ready my surprised face. Oh wait, anyone who has ever seen a scam before already knew this was coming. Keep up the good work, SidAlpha.

I mentioned the title of this video to my wife who is unfamiliar with your channel or this situation. Here immediate response was “if he told the truth, it is not defamation.

Bacon update, Sid! I hope these videos reaches as many as possible of Earth 2's potential and current customers. Take care and stay safe.

Buy swamp/desert now, earn credits after other fools follow your example... because there is never a shortage of idiots.

I question how many of the accounts defending Earth 2 are real, they all say the same talking points verbatim and always say the same buzz words "if you did your research" "its early still" "there will be a game latter" " early adopters get the most rewards", almost like they are all following the same script. Its the same as the 'reviews', they are just copy/pasted of each other, always trying to pull on the FOMO string and always including the game code. I am 99% sure that most the 'players' who are in their ranking lists and who own tiles are fake, just designed to give inflated numbers in the hope of landing one or two whales.

It's amazing the ego these jobber-level programmers get when they get a whiff of money. I'm waiting for the stories of these dudes running around blowing cash instead of doing anything resembling work while giving mealymouthed excuses then immediately deflecting to a road map.

Can they sue? Sure. Will they win? I give them a 3% chance.

stahp it! you're ruining the scam! how are they supposed to offload their junk onto people if you guys keep warning everyone XD

Oh now! These game journalists hurt my ego and seek to ruin my money grabbing methods. KZfaq save me! It amuses me who more frequent schemers have been using the gaming industry to gain an easy buck wile also exploiting youtube's own weakness for their benefits.

Their attempts at threats of defamation is p*** poor at best, their just deflecting because they know its a scam and hoping their weak threats will stop the critique of this "blatant" scam from continuing, but the opposite will happen!! It's just giving more and more reasons to continue outing them for their "blatant" scam !! It's hilarious that their sticking to this lie. 😂😂 Keep up the great work 👍

I'm just here disappointed that I fell for the hype and bought some tiles. Thanks for bringing it to light!

Oh, I hope Earth 2 devs do attempt to sue for defamation. The fallout would be *glorious*

The biggest disappointment in all this? Drone actually looked like it was going to be fun.

I literally got so upset about this last week that I wrote a two page essay trying to define the "product" they are selling. I've broken down multiple reasons, all based solely on factual comparisons to actual NFT's and cryto's, that this product is almost none of the things they claim it is. You only need to think a few steps ahead and the whole premise falls apart.

Can't youtube Charge a Processing Fee to the DMCA claimant if the DMCA was proven spurious would do nothing to stop Corporations but for people doing it out of spite $500 per spurious Claim should be enough to put a curb to it, Bonus points if any of that fee actually goes to the creator who was wronged

Ooh, drama, and it's less than 30 minutes old. I'll have a slice.

if their "game" is not a scam they have nothing to worry but it is and they did xD

9:34 ok so how is the next logical step from making a decent looking drone flying game making a 1:1 scale model of earth tho

Since when facts are defamation? 🤔🤣

Awww nononono, it's not a ponzi scheme! It's more build like a ... pyramid ... oh wait ... ehhh I mean a snowball ... uhhh ehhh ... I think I'm being called, brb!

On top of that, this feels like it could be used to launder money around... I mean, what are the limits of such a system? If it's pushing to get its own credit card, you could effectively buy a ton of land, give that card to someone else and they cash it in, it's just earnings from some online game, whoop? Maybe I don't understand the system enough to say this is a possibility, just, it seems like it to me?