Dale Jr.’s Fix for NASCAR’s Aero Blocking Dilemma

Dale Jr.’s Fix for NASCAR’s Aero Blocking Dilemma | Dale Jr. Download

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25 күн бұрын

Dale Earnhardt Jr. checks in to the Bojangles Studio for this week’s episode of Dirty Air.
In a weekend that saw a near-rookie upset in the Xfinity race, aero blocking, and Denny Hamlin’s return to Victory Lane in the Cup race, there was a lot to unpack:
• Carson Kvapil continues to impress
• The next generation of young talent is exciting
• Best trash-talking drivers
• Should NASCAR take the digital rear-view mirrors out of the Next Gen car?
• What is next in the NASCAR charter negotiations?
• Race winner Denny Hamlin calls in
During the Ask Jr. portion of the episode, listeners sent in questions regarding:
• The changes to the bus stop at Watkins Glen
• The Washington Commanders’ NFL Draft picks
• The newest class of NASCAR Hall of Fame nominees
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@nomadman5288 23 күн бұрын

Can you guys use timestamps for the talking points? This would be really helpful.

@danielkalmar3799 19 күн бұрын

Seriously. Timestamps and clipped videos. Welcome to the Internet, Dirty Mo Media

@sumoneelse6881 23 күн бұрын

It's messed up that the aero blocking is so good you cannot even get to the bumper to wreck the driver in front of you.

@jaffleyfifteen5912 22 күн бұрын

If they just made the cup car the xfinity car we’d be good

@DerrickRG 22 күн бұрын

@@jaffleyfifteen5912Xfinity car with 900+HP. Inject that into my veins pls.

@CoreyFritz-vq9vj 22 күн бұрын

Isn’t that so crazy!!!

@spencerb311 21 күн бұрын

@@jaffleyfifteen5912a more powerful xfinity car that’s maybe a bit bigger would be sick

@TracksideViews 23 күн бұрын

Bowman had a Jr and TJ moment on Sunday with his spotter

@Wklambert 23 күн бұрын

I feel like Dale had some tacos for breakfast, w extra hot sauce before the show. Dales a little on the extra spicy side today, lmao 😂😂

@mehlerracing1328 23 күн бұрын

“No Mirrors?! No Spotters?! How do they survive!” 😂 - Every Dirt Racer while opening a beer.

@Cajunmichael 23 күн бұрын

The way things are going I think Xfinity should be the premier series. I think people are missing out on the better NASCAR racing going on today.

@deelowe3 22 күн бұрын

The Talladega Xfinity race was amazing. I was so glad I chose to go to that one in person instead of cup.

@teabaggingtime1415 20 күн бұрын

I watch dale jr download just to hear dale yell "BIRDDOGS!" at this point

@walshie245 22 күн бұрын

My favorite quote from Dale Jr. over the radio is “Who’s fightin’?!?” In the most happy, curious, country accent ever and it has me laughing all the time 😂

@darkknightx0992 23 күн бұрын

Tldr the diffuser creates multiple times more downforce then any prior spoiler used.

@Wklambert 23 күн бұрын

Andrew... Think of it as an upside down airplane wing. The air enters at the splitter, and is sped up by the shape of the channel. The diffuse is where the air exits the rear of the car. Where an airplane wing generates lift... what do you think will happen, when you flip that upside down?

@nowhereman8374 9 күн бұрын

Thx Dale for explaining the issue with aero blocking!

@Wildcard258 22 күн бұрын

What I liked about Mike was that he was an insider. I think I would like an insider as a co-host. I would like that for Denny's show as well.

@clemzahrobsky2137 23 күн бұрын

get rid of the under tray and get the car up off of the track so the air goes under no over to get rid of aero

@kylejackson7688 23 күн бұрын

This is the third or fourth podcast now where Dale's audio is 2x lower than the rest of the group, sometimes the interviews are 2x louder than he is. Y'all might want to look into that because it's rough having to adjust the volume on this show constantly.

@bgrdaddy 23 күн бұрын

Leave the cameras in rear of cup car just take away the drivers monitor. Sell that camera view to networks or use in an race view app version

@dakotaallen6401 23 күн бұрын

I like this idea

@roymcdre9180 23 күн бұрын

Teams would it to watch lol

@markmidkiff7048 23 күн бұрын

The best one to me for Jr. on the radio was when inbthe Bud car, after the 10 min break in the All-Star race, the crew left lug nuts loose. Had to pit during warm-up laps and fell from like 5th to last. I wish I had it, or it was on KZfaq. Also, I don't know the finances or any details about money, but... It's hard to listen to a man that has over a 300m wealth saying he never made any money from racing. I get it, it's sponsorship etc... but

@nba3199 23 күн бұрын

Can we put Jimmie in a JRM xfinity car? Be much more like what he used to be so successful in… 🏁🏁

@DerrickRG 22 күн бұрын

Toyota driver, so unfortunately no.

@mattw3103 16 күн бұрын

Dude the tire pros commercial read was fantastic

@roymcdre9180 23 күн бұрын

*NEED A TIME STAMP FOR THE AIR BLOCKING TOPIC* 22:25...

@bribommer1498 23 күн бұрын

When Jeff Gordon says that Hendrick has not even broke even in quite some time, it's concerning.

@johnhaas2523 21 күн бұрын

That's because Rick Hendrick endrick doesn't know how to not spend more than what make. Rick Hendrick know what tires cost he knows what entry fee is each week and so on and can build a budget around that and contingencies into the budget and find areas can save money Like maybe it's downsize the number of employees especially engineers and less trips to the wind tunnel

@jaredotfc7433 23 күн бұрын

I sure miss seeing mike on the show

@johngatlin2985 23 күн бұрын

Me too

@jarradgilbert4186 23 күн бұрын

Amen mate

@kizane21 23 күн бұрын

imo so much better without him slowing the show down for dumb pointless reasons but that's just me

@cosmicdisaster25 23 күн бұрын

nice try, Mike.

@plisskenationbackfromthede3657 23 күн бұрын

Same. Too much young blood now. Mike was the other grumpy old man in the room but he remembered alot of things and was good for follow up questions and getting that little bit of extra information or clarification to a particular story. I like jr. But sometimes ppl say wild stuff and he just moves on. Where as mike would be like hold up... tell me more about THAT lol

@paulmoss7940 23 күн бұрын

All us kids in the 70s- be flipping the air cleaner top over in our parents cars. My Mom's 455 Buick would really moan. Then we got our own rides and were blessed to grow up surrounded by the golden age of muscle cars. I'm old now but there are two fast Corvettes in my garage still.

@nomadman5288 23 күн бұрын

The tires laid rubber, but they didn't really wear. Lajoie was out there on like 70 lap older tires than Larson and was only 7 tenths slower. Should be double that at minimum for that many more laps, if not more like 2 seconds.

@larrylitz8964 23 күн бұрын

Dale, I love the show but have a hearing problem and closed captioning would be great for those of us with this problem. Please!!

@shawnbuckendahl1968 23 күн бұрын

There is a cc option on KZfaq and it is functional on Dirty Mo.

@palex313 23 күн бұрын

Right there with you, but there is a closed caption on there and it does work, just hover mouse on screen and its 6th bottom left of the youtube video screen :)

@shaneprice9901 23 күн бұрын

Top of the screen on the right on a phone just “tap” CC” and your set.

@DewkChronic 23 күн бұрын

the cars are so tough now compared to the 80-90s that a driver dont have to take care of anything like brakes or even tires anymore.

@ThisisMYContinent 23 күн бұрын

With the stages gas mileage is on the way out too. Strategy in Nascar is about to be extinct

@dakotaallen6401 23 күн бұрын

I wish they’d fix the tire aspect of it. That’s all on goodyear, and drivers do have break failure on short tracks but its rare. I agree with you though.

@theblackenedone1366 23 күн бұрын

After the Bristol race I've stood firm if there is a tire that burns out within 30 laps if a driver goes all out it will naturally create comers and goers. Like Brett also mentioned on DBC if nascar incentivises a point a race if a driver leads a lap you have a chance to take away the 3/4 throttle racing at the super speedways.

@dsz2448 23 күн бұрын

Remember in the late 90s when all race long, Jeff would run about 5th-7th, then the last 100 miles come like a bat out of hell? Taking care of his stuff and making adjustments. That used to be an art. Hell, in his 13 win 1998 season, he didn’t even lead the most laps that year because of how many times he came from the back side of the top 10

@gold98gtp 23 күн бұрын

The diffuser accelerates the flow of air under the car which creats an area of low pressure to increase downforce - kinda the reverse of what an airplane wing does.

@DerrickRG 22 күн бұрын

True, but it was designed to reduce the amount of dirty air coming off the back of the car which should, in theory, help the trailing car maintain front down force. It's clearly not working in that facet.

@Redsfanatic32 19 күн бұрын

I’m not a fan of Denny as a driver, but I really like his ideas and opinions as an owner.

@terrydiehl177 21 күн бұрын

Don’t you worry. This Cup fan loves the Xfinety series more than Cup! I just can’t embrace Cup these days but still look forward to Xfinety. Go Justin!

@scubasteev 21 күн бұрын

Back in the 70s ( I was really young), 80s and 90s, I never complained that the cars were anything but stock. At least they were up off the ground and looked like stock bodies. Dragging the splitter on the ground is terrible. Having a splitter....is terrible. There's so much they can do to lose the aero issue at least on tracks less than 1.5 miles. If you're aero dependent at Martinsville...there's no hope at any other track.

@SportModDriver88 21 күн бұрын

The flippin the air cleaner cover....hits home so much. Really sounded good when you had a Rochester Quadrajunk and the secondariers would open up. Gained a whole 1 HP!

@gguilliams14 23 күн бұрын

They need to dirty up the aero on the front of every car. Open up the grills on the car so even the lead car has to push that air.

@teddywinker2027 22 күн бұрын

with nba, nhl, mlb you have 2 parties team owners and players. nascars problem is you have actually 4 not 3 parties, the drivers, team owners, nascar itself and the track owners. what you need is nascar iself to own all the tracks that you race on. no 3rd party. you have some drivers who bring their own sponsers, but need a team, then need a charter, but still need a track to race on. nascar needs to get control of its sponsers so can divide profits equally

@garycarpenter-lt5rl 23 күн бұрын

Dale, I am an over-the-road truck driver. I have a couple things I would love to discuss with you about the aero blocking situation. Our Speed limiters vs your lower hp & downforce; ability to pass the car ahead; etc.

@dirtydude5290 23 күн бұрын

Can we please have a uncensored version? Please! The beeping is horrible. Still love the show.

@DerrickRG 22 күн бұрын

They need to monetize the video. Can't do that with swearing.

@dirtydude5290 21 күн бұрын

Gotcha. Sometimes dale gets excited and it's beep beep beep beep. And I have to turn it down. Hahaha

@danielsummey4144 23 күн бұрын

they’ve talked about how modular this car is and what can be done to it. So fix it. Why can’t we take the defuser off? This can be fixed

@DerrickRG 22 күн бұрын

They can put a different nose piece on it to flatten it out on the superspeedways like they used to, so many things they can do but choose to do nothing instead.

@Wklambert 23 күн бұрын

The numbers on the roof are uniform. Those are the ones spotters and people looking down from above see, which in Nascar, is most shots. Be it blimp, or crane, or drone...

@DobyDuke 23 күн бұрын

After talking with Denny, sounds like the drivers should get paid less and the team members more, since they are more valuable. Can’t win without a good pit crew.

@tnwhiskey68 23 күн бұрын

It's true! I mean Kyle Busch, arguably the best of his generation, can't get much done in the 8 car because of pit road and slow cars. Chris Buescher starts well over 200 races and runs mid pack until he gets a decent team and suddenly becomes a big threat. Teams are more valuable than drivers.

@patersonplankrd 23 күн бұрын

Here's the problem with paying the driver's less. Their costs are the highest. The cost of insurance the driver must incur is more than most people can comprehend. Driving a race car is a high risk occupation. As a result premiums paid are very high. That money comes out of the pockets of the drivers.

@gothard5 23 күн бұрын

When will the vacation winner be announced? I know the drawing was yesterday, but I can’t find anything on who won it.

@amosfleetwood1648 20 күн бұрын

And this is why people are leaving nascar. It's getting where the first guy that takes the lead keeps it till pitstops or yellow. My favorite driver retired yrs ago. Now I watch out of habit and to see the spectacular wrecks. It's amazing how safe the cars are today.

@TracksideViews 23 күн бұрын

Carson is the real deal

@roymcdre9180 23 күн бұрын

Does the camera mirror break if they get bumped or backed into the wall?

@Junglelady341 23 күн бұрын

100% agree with having to earn the right to throw some shade in an interview.

@schaanlamaster4905 23 күн бұрын

i miss the look of the contingency stickers move the numbers back and revisit this

@johnhaas2523 21 күн бұрын

Can't Because The wheelbase is smaller than even the gen 6

@ridged8 23 күн бұрын

When the Frances niominated themselves on the 1st ballot, that immediately let you know the HOF was a frottage fest.

@scubasteev 21 күн бұрын

So, I comment as I'm watching. Dale saying " nascar won't change the underbelly of this new car" is like if the NFL went to a new football...different size or material or whatever...and it made the game suck more...and then saying " the nfl is never going to change the ball back...I mean, if it's clearly affecting the game/race in a negative way...why on earth not change it? Can't admit a mistake? Or as elton said " we only make changes if we KNOW it will make us more money. So, more seats will have to be empty before we make a change to make the racing better...basically.

@RiCkSliK14 23 күн бұрын

Xfinity races have been better than the cup races lately. Way better racing.

@CoreyFritz-vq9vj 22 күн бұрын

They also need to go back to the old tire, none of this low profile tire and shorten the back spoiler so there isn’t as much drag on the cars!

@stephenamypinkston7408 22 күн бұрын

Taking his lane away is the new "aero blocking" not a fan of the digital camera mirrors.

@brettpage1598 23 күн бұрын

Key word buy one myself, man I hope Dale buys into the 10 n the 4 those are both his guys Noah is my prospect as much as I pick Larson before his Kyle n Kyle show with the slide job

@brentbass3892 23 күн бұрын

Carson drove his ass off in both races and he was so close! I was pulling for him and he had me excited and that's because he was damn good

@scubasteev 21 күн бұрын

As often as the network camera moves around ...staying on a car for 3-5 seconds on average and ..not being able to see from the stands...the number, no matter where it is...really needs to be bigger.

@bradwright2841 23 күн бұрын

Dale what do you think about the cameras in the car they’re driving with the camera do you think the auto shut them off?

@JWD26 23 күн бұрын

No offense to Andrew, but he just seems so uneducated about the sport and doesn’t bring much. This show misses Mike badly

@ridged8 23 күн бұрын

I see your point, I get the feeling he's trying to engage those who really don't know. Rather than the rest of us who at least have somewhat of a clue, lol.

@fitskicksnhits 23 күн бұрын

As someone who just got back into the sport and doesn’t know much, I think Andrew brings a lot and definitely helps people like me with a lot of the questions he asks.

@danielsummey4144 23 күн бұрын

Disagree. I’d take these guys over Mike 7 days a week and twice on Sunday.

@thecarguys5672 23 күн бұрын

It’s done intentionally.

@mumblerappersaregiftsfromg3139 22 күн бұрын

@@fitskicksnhitssame here

@anthonymelone4278 23 күн бұрын

36:15 (Where I left off so I know where to continue)

@kyleholmes3798 23 күн бұрын

it should save your spot on its own btw lol

@tigersfan14 23 күн бұрын

thanks. I will start here and listen with you

@taylorbertrim7625 23 күн бұрын

Could they not change the rear spoiler to change the way the air comes off the car like they used too? Stop the amount it disturbes the air, and makes the car harder to drive at the same time. What about a split rear spoiler a gap in the middle to allow air through?

@bonesdoes6142 23 күн бұрын

The majority of the air is coming from underneath the cars,not the spoilers.

@taylorbertrim7625 23 күн бұрын

@@bonesdoes6142 wouldn't that allow more to come off the spoiler area? Air still has to go over top of the car and off the rear spoiler. So the underneath wouldn't be the majority anymore

@brentleach4016 23 күн бұрын

i wish your shows had a little more sound volume. it seems lower and lower each week.

@Corey_silva94 22 күн бұрын

Dale jr reminds me of Mitch Hedberg the comedian with his cadence

@7viewerlogic670 23 күн бұрын

DH #1

@Super-J10 23 күн бұрын

If Chase would’ve won that way everyone would love it……….🏁 #11 👍🏼👍🏼

@donholmes4476 23 күн бұрын

I was at Ontario 500 & Riverside in the 60's & 1970's and saw AJ, GURNEY, MARIO and DONOHUE win those Stock Car races on both ovals & road courses! That is still a touchy issue! Just like if Kyle Larson wins the Indy500 this year on his first attempt!

@suzymcclung9545 23 күн бұрын

Perhaps spotters are going the way of the five lugnuts? I doubt they would not take the mirrors and cameras out.

@Wildcard258 22 күн бұрын

Man I would kill to have another cup driver as a co host. Kyle Busch?

@CoreyFritz-vq9vj 22 күн бұрын

I also need to know how jr. Is saying drivers aren’t making any money racing? I think that is such an outlandish statement! I can see maybe the teams losing money if they are not successful

@johnhaas2523 21 күн бұрын

Compared to what Dale Jr made or Jeff Gordon the drivers aren't

@CoreyFritz-vq9vj 16 күн бұрын

@@johnhaas2523 Denny Hamlin is doing very well, so is Brad keslowski both bought a race team. Denny gets paid a million dollars a year and that’s without any wins. So they do get paid good.

@CoreyFritz-vq9vj 16 күн бұрын

Drivers get paid very well! No driver is losing money racing unless they are part owner of a team. And even drivers that aren’t big names get paid very well, none of them struggle to put food on the table.

@ansonbrooks101 22 күн бұрын

I think the better and better and more convenient the cars get it's not really going to be considered a talent anymore, just like maybe before the talent was managing all the stuff and the situations on the track, probably what the goal is though, just program the cars to go out there and run.

@CoreyFritz-vq9vj 22 күн бұрын

Absolutely get that camera out of the car, it’s only going to affect the newer drivers that don’t know anything different. Will not affect Hamlin, Truex jr, logano , keslowski, Larson etc because they all raced most of there careers without a camera in the car!

@donholmes4476 23 күн бұрын

That Hall of Fame deal is native brand series political, AJ FOYT is native brand Indycar first which is a direct competitor to NASCAR for fan sport interest! The HOF group would not want to create any doubt on their brand from technically an outsider!

@harveynailbanger 23 күн бұрын

It would be good to get some of the goodyear wngineers on to better understand that aspect of racing. Most folks dont understand just how technical it is...

@stevenjames3822 23 күн бұрын

For every action, there is a reaction....

@alexrogers9485 22 күн бұрын

It makes since nascar allows way less telemetry during the race than f1 except for maybe testing but during the race take it away

@danz9580 23 күн бұрын

It looked like Denny had trouble lifting the trophy

@chavoskimoore 23 күн бұрын

I saw that too he said on his podcast that his shoulder wasn't 100% yet after off-season shoulder surgery

@jonathanenglish7109 23 күн бұрын

Andrew's awesome

@kamakazi832 23 күн бұрын

The charter thing might be bigger then people think i have never seen jr tip toe around a topic the way he did that an maybe its just hes not sure what to say but i am way more interested in the situation then i was before lol

@dwaynecossey4867 22 күн бұрын

The teams are still trying to get to know the car, the drivers are still learning how to drive the cars, Goodyear is still trying to learn how to make a tire for this car. Give the teams, drivers, and tire maker a little bit time and the product will get better. They had decades of data on the old cars to make them as fast as they were.

@DerrickRG 22 күн бұрын

It's year 3. They had the COT figured out faster than this, and that thing was a brick.

@nascar8and20 23 күн бұрын

Take them dang cameras out!! It's not helping for competitive racing.

@morphman21 23 күн бұрын

Denny Hamlin at 54:48

@DerrickRG 22 күн бұрын

Cool, I can avoid that segment

@flacko_jody2130 22 күн бұрын

Just make sure the outrage is the same when larson or Byron lead 200 laps and win

@Ari36434 23 күн бұрын

Soo does Jr's daught and dad have the same birthday?

@storeycole 23 күн бұрын

35:35 Nascum has ruined me

@chrisodie2467 23 күн бұрын

How about Corey Day jr?????!!!

@tonyhuff3 23 күн бұрын

I wanna know where I can get that sundrop hat Dale jr is wearing

@Zanepro-up3jd 23 күн бұрын

Does Jr and Tj share the same seat at the studio?

@zbutler111 22 күн бұрын

Hey, tell your sponsor xfinity to bring Bally's back.

@DerrickRG 22 күн бұрын

Bally's is dead

@mmlips 23 күн бұрын

Miss Mike!

@iiMERLlN 23 күн бұрын

Formula 1 makes money, that’s why they’re keeping Andretti out. Current F1 teams don’t want to split that money.

@oregonborn9769 23 күн бұрын

Can we get a jr motorsport late model and super late model team that is just vets of the sport having a blast and whoopin ass?

@brentbass3892 23 күн бұрын

Kelly I need the red camo hat! Lol I miss mine and need u to help me out hell Jr ain't gotta sign it if he doesn't feel like it then I can wear it.

@Zanepro-up3jd 23 күн бұрын

As everyone is asking for… 900 or more horsepower let the drivers right foot control make the race…. Racing in the top level is expensive. If NASCAR with the next gen car trying to be more observant of the green footprint? NASCAR needs too much horsepower for the right foot and F1 needs a v8-12 loud engine. That’s what the fans want not to be told what we want.

@racegrubb2152 22 күн бұрын

Left foot? Think you mean the right foot

@brettpage1598 23 күн бұрын

When do we talk about making room for these new drivers is it time for Justin to hit the road or is just about sponsorship

@johnhaas2523 21 күн бұрын

Justin bring sponsorship that pays the bills. Jrm can if wanted run 5 Xfinity series cars

@michaelcole4868 19 күн бұрын

I work for weeks at a time outside of cell range, what happened to Mike?

@unconditionedcitizen 23 күн бұрын

No mirror=slide job!

@DewkChronic 23 күн бұрын

Im with Kyle on some races you have to take out the rear view camera. Digital Mirror, take it out.

@wheelman7427 23 күн бұрын

That was like when I got started in go karts as a kid and I said when do I start making money and I got laughed at and told you don't make money racing and I said well there's money races and they sat me down and did the math with me and they wrote the number down on what you need to go into a money race to be competitive and if you win you might barely make money for just what you put into that one race never mind if and when you wreck and lose money🤷🏼

@howardstrickler9760 22 күн бұрын

Nascars worst move was to implement a charter system > Because it garunteed spots for those that own and run every week ?When is the last time nascar had 50 cars come to the track and have to race their way into A nascar event? So no the teams have said you set this up u want us to comply in your sport we need some ROI ?

@plisskenationbackfromthede3657 23 күн бұрын

As much as i dont like dennis, hes usually not wrong 🤷‍♂️

@kevinvioletto2002 23 күн бұрын

Dale what do you think your dad would have wanted had DEI still been around in this situation, charter?

@dylanangel2870 23 күн бұрын

the fact that race teams dont turn profits in america is baffling and foreign to me

@2010tonyg 23 күн бұрын

Change the dam spoiler wtf 😂

@raymondclark3786 23 күн бұрын

Government Dell. Comment dial Brad cousin. Laski was driving for you and it was just making his way through nature. Might know that and I think I was Danny Hamlin when he was in NASCAR was calling them a hazard. Been like yeah, like I never was yet like you would never make it in a sport, but then he's a champion. And I don't think Danny hammer is a champion yet.Yes no

@thetruth1446 23 күн бұрын

It's sad NASCAR wants the tracks to have all the money while teams get scraps! Just up the teams to 33% and tracks still get 57%, and drop charters since teams get more money! Problem solved

@johnhaas2523 21 күн бұрын

Maybe Jr can get Marcus Smith to give a summarized cost to operate just 1 of his race tracks like What are the expenses without giving out actual wages of employees publicly or actual property tax amount

@mpf1947 23 күн бұрын

Funny how Denny says charters going away will result in drivers not showing up, when the reason they were created in the first place is there were too many drivers showing up each week. He made the worst financial decission in the world, and is just trying to salvage enough of the value to break even when he sells.

@justinpsychomonkeyjohnson2845 23 күн бұрын

Thats not the reason. You had teams show up to just make 1 lap and take the purse money

@mpf1947 23 күн бұрын

@@justinpsychomonkeyjohnson2845 If you're regularly getting outpaced by someone who makes 50 laps total in a season, you kind of deserve to lose your chance.

@justinpsychomonkeyjohnson2845 23 күн бұрын

@mpf1947 except they werent losing the chance. They just had to make a good lap in qualifying. The charter allowed them to change the purse to make start and park not worth the money

@mpf1947 23 күн бұрын

@@justinpsychomonkeyjohnson2845 There are far better ways of discouraging start-and-parks than the charter system. Scaling payouts vs laps completed would have done that just fine and not created a clusterfuck for the future.