I have dispensed with this preaching!

Preaxher wampler will always be a blessing in my life. I’m thankful for the many years setting under his preaching, at church and at bible college. Though I have grown in my theology over the years, and in some places we stand on differing sides, he will always be one of the best blessings I’ve had. He instilled in all of us preachers to love our bible and to study it, not just take what someone else says.

This guy is a good representation of your average independent baptist. There is a wide spectrum, but the top 10 preachers that I listen to for the most part hold to this guy's view. A lot of people like to cherry-pick extreme examples and then say that all dispensationalists to believe a certain way. I'm thankful for you brother Tommy giving him a chance to explain the position.

I loved Pastor Wampler's spirit and attitude. Great man.

I respect your openness to things, McMurtry. Blessings.

Only one Gospel that reveals the wonderful mystery of God's Wisdom! Isaiah 61:1-2 "The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;" Galatians 3:8-9 "And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham." Hebrews 4:1-2 "Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it." Revelation 14:6 "And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people," Titus 1:2 "In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;"

The Gospel is not just the cross. The cross is HOW salvation was accomplished. Rather the Gospel is the good new about Christ acomplishing the things God promised us. John 11 exchang with Martha and Jesus is a good example of saving faith even without understanding the HOW of the gospel. It also shows salvation and kingdom is parts of the same gospel, only now we have more of it accomplished and know more of the how.

Pastor McMurtry gave a good explanation as to the question of whether there are multiple Gosples. I also appreciate Pastor Wampler's explanation as well. Unless I'm mistaken, it sounds like Wampler would agree that there has only ever been one gospel which has been progressively revealed through biblical history, the full revelation of which wasn't known until the finished work of Christ. One question that I would have for Pastor Wampler is if he would agree that the gospel, or good news (bisser/besorah in the OT) was about the enthronement of a king and/or the defeat of a king's enemies, and if so, how that relates to the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus as revealed in the NT.

They are still God's chosen people because God will deal with once again, again Romans 11... But they have to save through Jesus Christ otherwise they're not saved and living in sin.

Thought this was an excellent conversation. Appreciate the civil straightforward discussion between 2 brothers that don’t agree on some things doctrinally. I like that the brother pointed out 1:19:42 the false dichotomy. I think you use these as arguments more often than you realize.

I’m digging the new pirate themed Spirit of prophecy tune Pastor Tommy.

Great conversation. It's almost like the -isms and -ists get in the way and we should just let Scripture be our authority. (Not saying I've got it all locked down, just an observation)

"Not everyone who claims to be dispensational is a heretic." Why, that's very gracious of you, Brother. 😉

Saying that we should hold up the Jewish people because they gave us what we have is like the Catholics saying that we should hold up Mary because she gave us Jesus. Mat_3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. Luk_3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Amen! Kingdom of God and Heaven are the same!

I took down the comments that weren't related to this video. Let's keep the comments for this video about this topic.

1:08:19 The actual quote was... "Well, I am definitely married to this position (premillennialism) but i get in trouble for flirting with other ones all the time." He could have at least quoted it right since they are so picky about having exact quotes.

This is what two Christians disagreeing is supposed to look like.

New Covenant Whole Gospel: How many modern Christians cannot honestly answer the questions below? Who is the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Who is the “son” that is the “heir” to the land in Matthew 21:37-43? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary? What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. God is not now a "racist". He has extended His love to all races of people through the New Covenant fulfilled by His Son's blood at Calvary. Paul warned against using "genealogies" in our faith in 1 Tim. 1:4, and Titus 3:9. =========== Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ? (Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30) The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations? 1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Paul’s interpretation in Galatians 3:8, 3:16.) 2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ? 3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds? 4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh? 5. Who is replacing the word “remnant” in Romans 9:27, with the word “nation”? 6. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers? 7. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"? 8. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost? 9. Based on Hebrews 12:18-24, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.) 10. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? 11. Watch the KZfaq video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church. Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology. Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church: “The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.” Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107. Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.” Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323. John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated… "...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.” John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.) What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16? (See what Joshua said about the Old Covenant land promise in Josh. 21:43.) Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth? Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups? Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and is it fulfilled by the blood of Christ at Calvary in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 12:18-24? Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church, if the New Covenant is “everlasting” in Hebrews 13:20? (See also 2 Thess. 1:7-10) If the New Covenant has made the Old Covenant “obsolete” in Hebrews 8:6-13, why would God go back to the Old Covenant system during a future time period? Read the recent book "The Rise and Fall of Dispensationalism", by Daniel G. Hummel.

Just as there are people in the visible Church who appear to be participating in God's Kingdom, but actually serve Man's, so too there are people outside the visible Church who are members of God's Kingdom, even while appearing to be only a part of the world. Only God knows the heart of man. This makes me think of the following: we know that all will be resurrected, no one has a choice in the matter. Some to the resurrection of eternal life, others, to eternal shame. The books shall be opened: "A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened." Daniel 7:10 The Holy Scriptures and the Fathers of the first 1,000 years of the Church, when it was one, make clear that the River of fire will be a warming embrace to those that love God, and will be an everlasting burning of those that hate the Lord. The Fathers of the Church rejected the idea of a created "purgatorial fire" that developed in the West post-schism, as they also rejected punishment by essence in a separate, created fire that developed post-reformation in the west. These judicial conceptions of God distorted God's utter omniscience; it is nothing else than the projection of worldly assessments on theology. It was a return to the pre-Christian process of making God a "Super-man" a la Zeus, or Odin. God is an all consuming fire (Hebrews 11:29), yet, God only loves (1 Jn. 4:16) and that Love will never end (1 Cor. 13:8). The river of fire is precisely this infinite love of God, which will embrace everyone without distinction at the general resurrection. Paradise or hell will be what each of us will experience within this river of the infinite love of God. It will be the way each of us personally accepts God's love. As to how we receive the love of God is purely on our own terms. It depends only on our freedom, our personal free will. Our attitude to God, whether we will be friends or enemies, is something for us to decide, and it will be eternal. God, absolutely respecting our choice, cannot change it. He will never remove our freedom or individual will. Paradise and hell depend upon us. And it is made eternal by our final and irrevocable choice. At the Second Coming, God will not punish in essence, but He will permeate everything with the light of love, which, like a river of fire will proceed from His throne. The books will be opened, namely, everything will be brought to light, and in the fire, all will be revealed. Our hearts will clearly show our intent. What will be hidden within them? Love or hate? If there is love in our hearts, our encounter with the divine river of love will be joy and paradise. If within our heart reigns hate, then when the love of God embraces us as a fiery river, we will be in misery and hell. The fire makes gold shiny and bright, but it burns brushwood (1 Cor. 3:12-15). What will we feel in the fire of divine love? Will we sparkle like gold, or will we be burned? The river of fire is precisely this infinite love of God, which will embrace everyone without distinction. Paradise or hell will be what each of us will experience within this river of the infinite love of God. God's love will never end.

There is no there, there.

In 1 Cor 6:3 Paul tells us we shall judge (krinoumen) angels. What does Paul mean by this and when does this happen?

That intro is a banger 🤣

Progressive dispensationalism makes even less sense than Scofield’s version. This pastor seems like a nice man, but his concession that the Kingdom of God is the Kingdom of Heaven totally destroys his argument. There is a reason why Scofield separated the two. This is before we even address the fact that Paul himself said he had preached the Kingdom of God to the gentiles of Ephesus: “And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more. Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men. For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.” - Acts 20:25-27 Not only does Paul preach “Kingdom Gospel” to gentiles, but he goes even further and includes it in the whole counsel of God. Are we to believe that Paul stands accursed by his own standard put forth in Galatians 1? Or rather, is the Gospel Paul preached the only true gospel (good news) there is - Jesus Christ and His Kingdom? Mid-Acts theology is abject heresy, but at least they have consistently taken their flawed and carnal hermeneutic to its logical conclusion.

If the shoe fits, then apply this.. but if not then don't worry about it. A lot of you guys are awful hard on schofield, and yes he had some bad problems. However a lot of you guys are in the same position as him.. and all you do is rail on them when you're just as bad. (I'm not talking about brother Tommy.. but there's a lot of people in your camp like this.) Most moderate dispensational independent Baptists will acknowledge that he had his problems... And yes Larkin even had his problems because he believed in the Gap theory and he was a little bit more of a hyper dispensationalist. It doesn't mean they're not right on most of their stuff and that you can't learn a lot from them. A lot of you guys are right on a big majority but wrong as well so you should try to be more like brother Tommy and have a good spirit about it.. instead of foaming at the mouth and railing on everyone saying they're not saved.)

Dispensationalism will fall apart in the next 25 years.

At 1:50 in you mentioned dispensational opponents who misrepresent your position. Per our 3 public discussions can you point to a place where I ever failed to honestly and accurately represent you? Good discussion btw. I enjoyed this one:)