Disney's Failure With Marvel & Star Wars: A Video Essay

  Рет қаралды 86,836

Echo Chamberlain

Echo Chamberlain

Жыл бұрын

A video essay on Disney's failure with Star Wars and Marvel

Пікірлер: 539
@SourRobo8364
@SourRobo8364 Жыл бұрын
They're already remaking Moana. It's not even 10 years old yet. They really are out of ideas.
@shaider1982
@shaider1982 Жыл бұрын
Seriously?! I thought it was only Lilo and Stitch?
@LJ-hk4tv
@LJ-hk4tv Жыл бұрын
Seriously?! I thought it was only Peter Pan?
@Bucketus.Lord.of.Buckets
@Bucketus.Lord.of.Buckets Жыл бұрын
The funny thing is: Moana is their most popular movie on streaming atm. This remake may actually kill the golden goose on Disney+ According to viewership metrics, Disney is doing terribly in pretty much every category atm, with Moana being their saving grace
@blodiaaa6990
@blodiaaa6990 Жыл бұрын
Creatively bankrupt
@sadikquahflowers5507
@sadikquahflowers5507 Жыл бұрын
​@Bucketus, Lord of Buckets I watched Moana for the first time last night and I see why it's so popular. It actually has that classic 90's Disney movie feel to it. I could see this coming out around the time of Pocahontas and Mulan.
@dereklopez9060
@dereklopez9060 Жыл бұрын
"They keep creating new ways to celebrate mediocrity." - Mr Incredible.
@chasehedges6775
@chasehedges6775 6 ай бұрын
💯💯💯💯.
@chasehedges6775
@chasehedges6775 6 ай бұрын
2004 was a 🔥 year for Pixar
@dimebag505
@dimebag505 Жыл бұрын
The funniest thing is KK saying we had no source material after being criticised about the sequels 😅
@samkochel6990
@samkochel6990 Жыл бұрын
I wonder why. Is she ignorant..not a fan enough to know about it...or denying it because of some reason?
@allenearl1514
@allenearl1514 Жыл бұрын
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't she the one that made the decision to render the extended universe non-canon?
@dimebag505
@dimebag505 Жыл бұрын
@@allenearl1514 yeah was a new Lucasfilm decision, George would have kept it
@NefariousKoel
@NefariousKoel Жыл бұрын
The business is rife with runaway egotism. Mix that with most of the funding going to remakes and sequels, you get pompous modern creators gutting the originals in order to insert their own lesser stories while proclaiming they can do it better or fix it "for a modern audience". As if the popularity of the originals was somehow unwarranted and we are all dumb immoral cretins who don't realize the superior product they've been giving us recently. The virtue arms-race make it even worse.
@Bingo_the_Pug
@Bingo_the_Pug Жыл бұрын
She had to have known, Lucas gave them story treatments for the sequel trilogy & they did nothing with that material
@stonepasta5296
@stonepasta5296 Жыл бұрын
When disney said the force is female, we knew it was time to bail.
@waynehewett4017
@waynehewett4017 Жыл бұрын
Starwars died after 2016s Rogue One
@thechuube8442
@thechuube8442 Жыл бұрын
That isnt the problem. Social messaging, whether it be feminism or whatever has ALWAYS been a part of narrative storytelling. Also, the star wars sequels dont even have any feminist messaging to begin with lmao. They just have woman in important roles lol. Theyre corporate movies, made to appease a wide audience. Thats why they feel lifeless, and bland. It isnt because of women or KK wearing a NIKE shirt lmao. This is purely a problem with capitalism. Anyone who says "wokeness is ruining film" is an idiot and has no idea what theyre talking about.
@xxmillhouse977
@xxmillhouse977 Жыл бұрын
I think Disney lives in their own fantasy world not realizing who the Star Wars fan base mainly consists of.
@aaronlaughter6471
@aaronlaughter6471 Жыл бұрын
I just went back into my EU den, and SWTOR, that game is the only EU content still getting updates, and they have been good all things considered.
@AFROJOE2323
@AFROJOE2323 Жыл бұрын
​@@aaronlaughter6471 playing swtor myself , if only Disney gave a rats ass about what the fans want like the games do. (The older ones that is) Kotor 1 & 2, classic battlefront 1 and 2 Jedi knight Jedi academy etc
@hlavco
@hlavco Жыл бұрын
I always thought Star Wars was supposed to be a "make three movies and then let it sit for twenty years" franchise, not a "three new shows and a movie every year" franchise. I don't think the quality is the only thing killing the appeal, it's also the excessive quantity. It feels like Disney purchased Star Wars thinking that anything with the Star Wars name would print money, and that demand would always keep up with supply.
@Missjunebugfreak
@Missjunebugfreak Жыл бұрын
Star Wars is definitely a franchise that would have benefited from quality over quantity. It's reached the point where I no longer have interest in anything Star Wars related these days.
@rubydoo3307
@rubydoo3307 Жыл бұрын
You're right, Star Wars and by extension Lucasfilm, worked better as an independent studio made around the idea of pushing barriers and making high concept stuff. Essentially what A24 is doing now. I wish George had just passed it on to someone else in house, but I understand he wanted to retire, and leave the door open on his way out.
@wiseauserious8750
@wiseauserious8750 Жыл бұрын
Definitely
@Tylerf962
@Tylerf962 Жыл бұрын
@@Missjunebugfreak I refuse to watch anything Disney now a days. Kinda sad because I was a huge mcu fan back in the infinity saga days.
@daniaaal
@daniaaal Жыл бұрын
The thing is, when it comes to Star Wars specifically, it's still possible to have higher frequency in coming up with movies and shows... if they actually invested in having competent writers and respected what George Lucas' Star Wars stood for. They could've drawn in really great lores and plot points from the novels and even video games. If there's one company that's capable of adequately paying writers, directors and creators of the franchise, it's Disney. But Disney chose the easy way out by corporatising Star Wars and exploiting it to sell merchandise and trying to appeal to non-Star Wars fans, alienating the existing fanbase. To me, only Rogue One, Mando seasons 1 and 2, the last season of Clone Wars and Andor deserve any sort of positive feedback overall.
@martindenham2207
@martindenham2207 Жыл бұрын
From my own limited experience of the film/TV industry, one thing I found time and again was that talent was not the deciding factor for who was in the room and who wasn't. It's very much an elitist club for those who are privileged enough to have access. I've worked with so many people over the years who believed they were special enough to be in the room but had little to no creative ability. It's pretty much The Dunning Kruger Effect, the confidence of those who know little and don't realise they don't know much, and those around them (or hired them) who know even less. It's a very bizarre industry.
@LoneWolf-rc4go
@LoneWolf-rc4go Жыл бұрын
To be honest I suspect that the people in the writers room actively went after anybody who showed a modicum of talent. I recall one of the writers being fired from The Witcher TV series with the heavily implied reason being that they were pushing for a more faithful adaption of the novels. These writers room's might seem to be filled with benign, inoffensive, nice people but, in reality, they are filled with vicious tribal ideologues who won't hesitate to concoct any number of lies and smears if they have even a suspicion that there might be some sort of push back against their never ending crusade for 'diversity, equity and inclusion'.
@martindenham2207
@martindenham2207 Жыл бұрын
@@LoneWolf-rc4go Another thing in general with the film/TV industry. Jobs aren't advertised to the general public as with most businesses. It's an invite club. You have to be in certain circles to even know about a job never mind be entitled for consideration for entry.
@christophervalentine4474
@christophervalentine4474 Жыл бұрын
@@martindenham2207 you know I’ve never noticed that until you mentioned it. All my life I’ve never once seen a ad for writers on tv, the internet or any where else!
@aishaalamoudi599
@aishaalamoudi599 Жыл бұрын
That's pretty silly. You'd struggle to make one example work; cause that's not how it goes. Firstly, we are getting huge quantity of content for sure, but we're also getting top tier quality content that elevate the respective category so your initial statement doesn't hold up. Secondly, You have to explain the many stellar staffed teams that made flops; M Knight, Denis Villeneuf's Blade runner, Steven Spielberg's west Side Story and Indiana Jones, Cats musical film, Ridley Scott's many recent flops. Or the the many big hits made by first timers; Everything Everywhere All at Once, The Sandman, John Wick films, Jordan Peele films, American Beauty, Tim Burton, Donnie Drako....
@nunyafuckinbizniz
@nunyafuckinbizniz Жыл бұрын
​@@aishaalamoudi599 you are a MORON.
@hatuletoh
@hatuletoh Жыл бұрын
A bunch of kids with their 80s Star Wars toys could have come up with better storylines than what Lucasfilm under Disney crapped out.
@alexandernilssonmusic
@alexandernilssonmusic Жыл бұрын
…And they did. The extended universe had some great stories and ideas.
@pmtoner9852
@pmtoner9852 Жыл бұрын
It couldn't have made less sense
@samwilsoncaptainamerica233
@samwilsoncaptainamerica233 Жыл бұрын
​@@alexandernilssonmusic I'm sticking with The Extended Universe. Just finished Darth Bane.
@enigmaodell6806
@enigmaodell6806 3 ай бұрын
Fate of the Jedi was one of my favorites, even though it’s end was convoluted
@Goldenspiderducck
@Goldenspiderducck Жыл бұрын
Frank Oz said that he believes negotiating with Disney is what killed Jim Henson - “The Disney deal is probably what killed Jim. It made him sick." And that’s all I have to say about that.
@rommix0
@rommix0 Жыл бұрын
That's just a conspiracy.
@tradcathsspx
@tradcathsspx Жыл бұрын
Idk if I’d call it a conspiracy lol..just a pretty accurate metaphor for how bad Disney is
@rommix0
@rommix0 Жыл бұрын
@@tradcathsspx it's not really true or proven therefore it's a conspiracy. Jim Henson died of pneumonia.
@CurCam713
@CurCam713 Жыл бұрын
It sounds like Disney is the WalMart of studios.
@decades1912
@decades1912 9 ай бұрын
Was that a Forrest Gump reference? And either way great quote
@blinkonceonsunday1325
@blinkonceonsunday1325 Жыл бұрын
Well, it's actually 3 teenage girl super-genius prodigies if you count Shuri. It's beyond the bounds of plausibility. And they definitely made it a point during Infinity War to imply that Shuri is smarter than the combined intellect of Tony Stark and Bruce Banner, which is really a stretch.
@movealongnowDT
@movealongnowDT Жыл бұрын
For a second I couldn't tell if you were talking about "Rise of Skywalker" or a lovecraftian eldritch abomination.
@samwilsoncaptainamerica233
@samwilsoncaptainamerica233 Жыл бұрын
They actually have lovecraftian eldritch abomination in Legends (Abeloth) and other horrors in the unknown region. Only difference is that Legends actually tells interesting stories.
@mr.nobodymc9741
@mr.nobodymc9741 Жыл бұрын
0:50 that rendition of the soviet anthem has more cultural value that Disney Star Wars/Marvel combined.
@HomersIlliad
@HomersIlliad Жыл бұрын
You can thank Egypt for this as well as other failed national anthems.
@Avarn388
@Avarn388 Жыл бұрын
Disney downfall creatively was a long time coming. Mediocre work with ideological elements that are trying to tell others how to think rather than letting the audience think will do that. Really it’s for that reason why I’ve drifted to anime, manga and books( audiobooks specifically), and video games. All in all, Disney is stubbornly going down this path of meh and I just sigh. You used to be so good.
@SergioLeonardoCornejo
@SergioLeonardoCornejo Жыл бұрын
Exactly. That's what must be pointed at
@UnkownSoldier100
@UnkownSoldier100 Жыл бұрын
Same. I’m going to places where the storytellers are talented and actually care. I’m sick of the mediocrity and openly hostile content Disney and Hollywood are pumping out.
@sawdust8691
@sawdust8691 Жыл бұрын
It surprises me that there are a lot of people that just happily gobble up the garbage. I just had a guy come after me saying that I should be happy Disney is making more content and moving the franchises forward, and that's the most important thing. That's right. Some people consciously defend Disney's sludgepipe of endless mediocre content. And LIKE it. And DEFEND it. Blows my mind. He said this after I said it wouldn't be a good idea if Disney made Cal Kestis his own show given their track record. Leave alone the only good Star Wars content left!!! Who else is excited for Jedi Survivor?
@Crichjo32
@Crichjo32 Жыл бұрын
@sawdust it sounds like that guy is still going through the denial/anger phase of accepting that Disney is rubbish now. He's probably trying hard yo convince you in order to convince himself.
@liestricks
@liestricks Жыл бұрын
what people some times miss is that this is what Disney has always done. Most of the disney "classics" are dumbed down sugar coated rip offs of original stories. Ground down and massproduced like happymeals.
@fakshen1973
@fakshen1973 Жыл бұрын
I did some ocassional work with Disney in the 1990s. Even then, it was a mindless machine full of imposed standards and bloated. Disney would produce one good thing, then murder it with countless sequels... many directly to home video. Disney is just doing Disney. They will fail. It was pre-ordained.
@tytheguy13andahalf
@tytheguy13andahalf Жыл бұрын
Oh yeah, I forgot those straight to video movies existed.
@Shimamon27
@Shimamon27 Жыл бұрын
They never were anything else - pump and dump machines with occasional brilliance... Those sparks of creativity make people buy the half-baked goods... Because they starve for more, and they keep people famished until they manage to once again, have another good product that'll begin the cycle anew. Their tactics are getting old though.
@Bingo_the_Pug
@Bingo_the_Pug Жыл бұрын
The Lion King was a ripoff of some old Japanese animation, even The Simpsons writers knew of this back then when they parodied it in one of the episodes
@therealjaystone2344
@therealjaystone2344 Жыл бұрын
Disney is the Hollywood that you would’ve put on your essay. Both are heavily related to such propagandas based on their history how to mind control our thoughts with such distractions.
@CosmicCitiZenOfficial
@CosmicCitiZenOfficial Жыл бұрын
In short , Disney is a Sinister Sequel Series Smotherer...🙄🙄
@_nebulousthoughts
@_nebulousthoughts Жыл бұрын
Disney is the best example of why the boss shouldn't surround himself with psychophants.
@jaceacekalgoorlie
@jaceacekalgoorlie Жыл бұрын
Putin?
@Flomo112
@Flomo112 Жыл бұрын
Remember how good Avengers 1, Winter Solider and Iron Man 1 was?
@MrMichaelGutierrez
@MrMichaelGutierrez Жыл бұрын
Hilarious. I couldn’t have said it better myself. The decline of both franchises has been sickening to watch. Alas, there is always John Wick 4….
@christopherkelley1664
@christopherkelley1664 Жыл бұрын
Its proceeds will fund more woke nonsense that has well-connected silver spoon writers.
@toonrex2806
@toonrex2806 Жыл бұрын
If I was Walt Disney himself and somehow came back from the dead, I would be extremely livid with the woke hacks that have defiled the company I created. I would go full Gordon Ramsey on Bob Iger and everyone else involved in the wokeness.
@dewulfe9913
@dewulfe9913 Жыл бұрын
Nailing it. KK = Sarlacc is especially on point.
@frankkennedy6388
@frankkennedy6388 Жыл бұрын
Sometimes I wonder if Walt Disney were still here, would he fix his company, or ignore it because he owns the world now?
@_eggers
@_eggers Жыл бұрын
I know giant corporations are slow moving ships but Marvel & especially Star Wars failures have been going on long enough for them to have course corrected by now. They’ve been slamming into icebergs & think the answer is to slow down instead of going around
@Threadoflength
@Threadoflength Жыл бұрын
More like they've been slamming into icebergs and think the answer is to blame the iceberg
@kaylemjoseph8727
@kaylemjoseph8727 Жыл бұрын
the Mandalorian season 3 made me give up on star wars and doctor strange 2 made me give up on marvel. its a wreckage at this point.
@samwilsoncaptainamerica233
@samwilsoncaptainamerica233 Жыл бұрын
I gave up Star wars on last jedi and MCU I gave up on Spider-Man far from home.
@neugey
@neugey Жыл бұрын
That Star Wars storyboard "war room" told me everything I needed to know. Too many cooks in the kitchen and they are focus-testing their content. Writing is an individual endeavor.
@JohnDavidSullivan
@JohnDavidSullivan Жыл бұрын
I like the ball analogy.
@charliewilson85
@charliewilson85 Жыл бұрын
When you started out the video with Bosch, I knew it would be epic. I wasn’t disappointed. 👏
@arc8216
@arc8216 Жыл бұрын
I like seeing longer videos like this analyzing things. Keep up the good work.
@MrS-pe6sd
@MrS-pe6sd Жыл бұрын
I think there is an inherent flaw in a corporation making creative projects that they don’t actually care about.
@bobsmithy9024
@bobsmithy9024 Жыл бұрын
George Lucas has to take half of the responsibility for the decline of Star Wars (assuming you think the SW franchise is at rock bottom. Not every fan will agree on that). Lucas didn't have to sell SW/Lucasfilm/Industrial Light And Magic to Disney. He could have approached Disney to co produce a third trilogy with 20th Century Fox distributing. A shared profit deal. Lucas agrees to give up some of his profit to co produce the films with Disney. Lucas could have agreed a story advising role on the third trilogy but allowed Disney to adapt his story treatments. That way Lucas doesn't have to write the screenplays nor direct the trilogy. He never did that. He just sold his beloved franchise and didn't care if future SW content was great or average or terrible. The business mindset within Lucas got the better of his creativity and judgement.
@treystephens6166
@treystephens6166 Жыл бұрын
Lucas only wanted to sell toys.
@SprocketList
@SprocketList Жыл бұрын
To quote Tarkin, George was “far too trusting”. Kathleen Kennedy was appointed by him and she’s on tape pledging to honour his characters.
@Bingo_the_Pug
@Bingo_the_Pug Жыл бұрын
Lucas doesn’t care anymore. He’s said “I am retired from the film industry.”
@waynehewett4017
@waynehewett4017 Жыл бұрын
Disney promised the world to George Then lied thier asses off
@waynehewett4017
@waynehewett4017 Жыл бұрын
@@treystephens6166 don't you blame him ,it's big business selling the toys
@lordcrunk4790
@lordcrunk4790 Жыл бұрын
So what networks or studios will still allow full freedom of creativity for series or movies? Is it just HBO?
@Angrenost02
@Angrenost02 Жыл бұрын
None will. No big studio will ever do that.
@alexandernilssonmusic
@alexandernilssonmusic Жыл бұрын
Even HBO has started producing more and more woke shows. There are still good stuff on there of course, but it’s slippin’, unfortunately…
@kramerfortuna7228
@kramerfortuna7228 Жыл бұрын
Very well said. Though, personally, I don't think that the quantity would've been an issue if the quality was up to par. I mean, this is Disney. They could afford to buy out most of the greatest, most talented, and most varied cinematic visionaries and writers in the world today. We SHOULD be getting top tier movies in almost every genre from them... but that couldn't be farther from reality. Since 2019, I've only seen 4 movies in theaters, and no, that's not because of the pandemic. It's because there hasn't been anything worth my time and money. I'm an amateur writer myself. Why would I bother paying and wasting an evening watching some vapid, pandering, 2 hour long time-sink when I could write something better in the span of an afternoon? For free. In the comfort my own home. And I'm NOT saying that because I'm a top notch writer or anything. Not even CLOSE. THAT'S my point. I'm a very, VERY mediocre writer, but the "talent" behind most Hollywood movies these days has sunk far lower than average. It's shameful, honestly. While children have always been more imaginative, it's pathetic that EVEN CHILDREN seem to have a better understanding of basic storytelling techniques. A lack of quality was already a serious issue. A lack of quality COMBINED with that kind of overabundance is a potentially fatal one. I hope that I'm wrong, but I don't see a timeline where Marvel Studios or Lucasfilm manages to bounce back from this. Even if they survive, they've fallen, and they're not coming back.
@amysteriousviewer3772
@amysteriousviewer3772 Жыл бұрын
I disagree about Andor. It showed us a lot of aspects of the galaxy and the Empire that we had never seen before and handled profound sociopolitical themes in arguably the most mature way Star Wars ever has.
@OraDeCulcare
@OraDeCulcare Жыл бұрын
On the priority whiteboard, under star wars they say "no single main character"! WHYYYY???
@zoomerjack5435
@zoomerjack5435 10 ай бұрын
It hasn’t even been three full years since Phase 4 of the MCU began, and yet it feels like it’s been five.
@lilyvonshtuup
@lilyvonshtuup Жыл бұрын
I don’t believe Disney own all the marvel properties ? The Hulk and Spider-Man are two that don’t belong to them. “Hygienically cleaned and manscaped balls” though 😂😂😂👍
@Andrew_TS
@Andrew_TS Жыл бұрын
They own them, but have to honor certain deals made before the buyout about movie rights.
@lilyvonshtuup
@lilyvonshtuup Жыл бұрын
@@Andrew_TS oh that’s it they own the character but not the rights 👍 Cheers Andrew
@jongreen9171
@jongreen9171 Жыл бұрын
I loved the analogy of the train crash, dumpster fire and shit storm to create a hot mess.
@TheCapedWanderer
@TheCapedWanderer Жыл бұрын
“There’s nothing new.” This was my exact reaction to TFA, I said every film had new planets, new ships, new droids, new aliens, new characters, new ideas. It was creative, by design, George pushed himself and his team to always shoot for something beyond what they had done before. “And this movie,” I shouted at my friends, “has absolutely nothing! There is not one original idea in the whole thing! Cowards!!” I’m glad to be vindicated in my first impression by George himself. It must have hurt him far more than it did me, and boy did it hurt me, to see that lost chance. Show us the New Republic! Starting the trilogy after the inexplicable fall of the unexplained New Republic was the worst, most cowardly decision they could possibly have made.
@rmw9420
@rmw9420 Жыл бұрын
i wouldn't so far as to write andor off but 🤷‍♂️
@ManiacMayhem7256
@ManiacMayhem7256 Жыл бұрын
Visions was also pretty decent
@rmw9420
@rmw9420 Жыл бұрын
@@ManiacMayhem7256 VIsions was a mixed bag but it exceeded my expectations with some of the projects
@tranquilthoughts7233
@tranquilthoughts7233 Жыл бұрын
To be fair, boob armor does have some legitimacy. And the way it was done with the female mandalorians is actually (and probbaly by accident) quite functional.
@aurawolf2221
@aurawolf2221 Жыл бұрын
Disney actually has a shining light of Sci-fi in The Orville & they're wasting it because they know people will feast on the rotting corpses of Star wars & Marvel!
@neilprice513
@neilprice513 Жыл бұрын
Star Wars used to make well over a BILLION dollars a year in merchandise sales, this is why Disney bought Lucasfilm and in the decade since the purchase that merchandising powerhouse has been decimated and most Star Wars merchandise is either destroyed, then sent to landfill, or it's perpetually on clearance racks unsold. They got a slight uptick when Mandalorian season 1 and 2 were out, but with the state of Star Wars releases on D+ being mediocre to awful that hype has dried up. I would be surprised if they made $50 million a year in merch sales now.
@woozy96
@woozy96 Жыл бұрын
On a meeting of Star Wars, you can see two "diversity" from three columns listed on a white board. Movies today makes me do the thing where I use Lord of the Rings as the base comparison if the show is good or not.
@fersuvious
@fersuvious Жыл бұрын
The ball licking analogy was spot on.
@thisguy4505
@thisguy4505 Жыл бұрын
Like The Simpsons (now owned by Disney 🤮) said long ago: "Just Don't Look." Other than Avatar, which Disney hasn't managed to drag down yet, I can't remember the last Disney-owned film that I went to. It's been years! Between other studios, international pictures, etc, there is a ton of quality film out there! You just need to look. Some of my recent favorites include RRR, The Wandering Earth 1 & 2, Puss in Boots The Last Wish, Moon Man, Elvis, Marcel the Shell, Emergency Declaration. As Lucas would say: They showed me something new!
@SC0704
@SC0704 Жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t have none extreme roasting could be this aesthetic without encountering this channel.
@akashnagar8694
@akashnagar8694 Жыл бұрын
Found you through drinker's channel. Keep up the good work
@jimmyb79
@jimmyb79 Жыл бұрын
For the algorithm 👍
@Azrael__
@Azrael__ Жыл бұрын
For my wife. Jennifer, I'm sorry 😔 please come back 🙏😭
@ManiacMayhem7256
@ManiacMayhem7256 Жыл бұрын
Visions is the only one that broke the bad mold of the rest. It used mostly new characters, mostly new worlds, told its own stories, had beautiful visuals and was overall fun. The issue? It's all too short. It's good, but short. I feel with some of the stories, a short film might have helped flesh out some stuff. It's the only disney work that reminded me of Legends.
@ManiacMayhem7256
@ManiacMayhem7256 Жыл бұрын
Also I was fine with Andor
@evertonporter7887
@evertonporter7887 11 ай бұрын
Lucas innovated and took risks with the prequels and gave us a set of movies that were different from the OT...and he was vilified and hated by some fans for that.
@Andrew_TS
@Andrew_TS Жыл бұрын
13:30 I can't help but be reminded of when Family Guy had the women of The View literally clucking like hens at each other.
@asaknight321
@asaknight321 Жыл бұрын
You remember when they released 2 if not 3 great movies/shows a year that were timeless classics?
@MVPMVE
@MVPMVE Жыл бұрын
I have always maintained how mid The Mandalorian is as a premise. I never believed the episodic "space wes😮tern/Sci Fi Clint Eastwood" thing they were going for would have any lasting power. Why should it? We have many precedents of that exact premise underperforming or bombing, even when it's not bad. Cowboys and Aliens didn't connect. John Carter didn't connect. Serenity didn't connect. Solo didn't connect, and that last one _is also_ Star Wars! We gotta recognize the hints when they're presented to us.
@adammonroeproductions
@adammonroeproductions Жыл бұрын
Creativity doesn't come from giant mega corporations, it comes from one or two or three passionate people coming together and deciding to pursue their dreams. Walt Disney was passionate and creative; Disney the company, is not.
@TheRealWinsletFan
@TheRealWinsletFan Жыл бұрын
Andor was way better than you proclaim. Actually not balls at all, even well manscaped balls.
@theimaginist3310
@theimaginist3310 Жыл бұрын
Andor might have been great, but Disney/Lucasfilm spent years chasing off many of the fans that would’ve helped keep that show popular and valuable. On top of that, Andor is a spin-off show about a side character that was killed off in his film debut. That isn’t something you can build a billion dollar franchise on. When the best Disney Star Wars content are basically side quests nobody asked for (Rogue One, Andor), that’s a serious problem.
@TheRealWinsletFan
@TheRealWinsletFan Жыл бұрын
@@theimaginist3310 Don't disagree. All true, but Andor is still the one show they've done that has been well worth watching. When it's done I'm probably done with Disney Star Wars forever. Best move for them would be the rumour they might sell Lucasfilm be true.
@PRC533
@PRC533 Жыл бұрын
Agree, lumping Andor in actually undermines the point the video is making. If you just say everything is shit, even when some of it isn't, then it's just meaningless prattle.
@theimaginist3310
@theimaginist3310 Жыл бұрын
@@PRC533 If most of it is crap, then it’s Disney/Lucasfilm that’s undermining Andor. All of the shows that featured characters that people actually care about were awful. If Lucasfilm had treated those characters with respect thereby laying a solid foundation, Andor would have been received much better. Lucasfilm can’t lay turd after turd and then expect everyone to still be around when a golden egg finally drops out. Andor was the exception when it should have been the rule.
@ManiacMayhem7256
@ManiacMayhem7256 Жыл бұрын
​@@TheRealWinsletFan I'd add visions to that list, even if it's really short. It was a fun watch that felt like Legends stories
@mmluon
@mmluon Жыл бұрын
Subscribed. Been bingeing your content all day. Love your writing and points of view. Top notch. 👍🏾
@Jhunta
@Jhunta Жыл бұрын
great video essay. first video ive seen of yours and now i am a subscriber. cant wait to check out the rest of your content.
@EchoChamberlain
@EchoChamberlain Жыл бұрын
Thanks and welcome
@WaterBug46
@WaterBug46 Жыл бұрын
Just subscribed drawn in by your tonal quality and marvelous handle on the English language, mixing bard with brash, a light touch of dark humor and cynicism. My jam. Thank you.
@Ren-fo4lg
@Ren-fo4lg Жыл бұрын
Couldn’t agree more. What a gem of a video! Can’t wait to watch more.
@detpak
@detpak Жыл бұрын
Watching the Sequel trilogy, was like watching your neighbor's dog Sh*t on your lawn.
@nicolasferreiro4492
@nicolasferreiro4492 Жыл бұрын
Anybody who didn't realize they'd destroy SW the moment they knew who Kylo was, got what they asked for and deserved.
@artapples8417
@artapples8417 Жыл бұрын
If I was Disney I would be giving a lot more of Star Wars to Tony Gilroy, who was behind the two (Andor and Rogue One) really good things that have come out of Disney SW. In fact I would be saying look Tony we are going to cancel episodes 7-9 episodes and want you to write the replacement 7-9 films instead
@doughauck57
@doughauck57 Жыл бұрын
Ugh. I'm looking at that whiteboard under "Fiction". Forget "Diversity" - it's ALL bad. Some of it is less bad, such as "Sweeping / epic" or "Humor" (both of which are last on the list, I will note.) But "Feelings"? "Relatable"? Was Han Solo "relatable"? Or was he "bad-ass"? And "Authentically lived in"? Is that really what you're looking for in a Death Star scene, is that it shows the Men's Room? Where is "Gripping Story" or "Tense Action" or "Larger-than-life characters"? You know, the things I *can't* actually find in my own day-to-day. Sheesh. You aren't kidding - the problem with the new SW (and other) stories comes down to the bland, milquetoast "Niceness" of the writers. No wonder they focus on diversity; they don't have anything else to say.
@ratedg5039
@ratedg5039 Жыл бұрын
Their failure is complete.
@rfp313
@rfp313 Жыл бұрын
There was no ball sucking in terms of Andor. It was fantastic.
@zacklarez
@zacklarez Жыл бұрын
Andor, to me was like, "Wow, they want to tell a story their way and won't be rushed." I also couldn't believe the dialogue in that show. I'm not used to characters talking that way.
@fersuvious
@fersuvious Жыл бұрын
It was mid at best.
@fersuvious
@fersuvious Жыл бұрын
But you do you. I’m glad you liked it.
@rfp313
@rfp313 Жыл бұрын
@@fersuvious on repeat viewing I set aside my phone and paid attention to as many little details as I could, from how music was used, to camera angles, framing, background characters, etc. The depth that I missed first time through really showed itself at that point. Best SW since Empire.
@fersuvious
@fersuvious Жыл бұрын
@@rfp313 I feel like if it had come out before rogue one and sometime in the 80’s…it would have hit the mark, but it’s spiritual Center (whatever tf that is, but you know what I mean) was missing, or in the wrong time…so it couldn’t resonate with most fans. It didn’t ring…for me and a lot of other fans at least.
@johndillinger5142
@johndillinger5142 Жыл бұрын
The white board and all those doughy assholes in the writer's room told us everything we need to know.
@TheRealBlackarrot
@TheRealBlackarrot Жыл бұрын
On that white board with the three lists of "Star Wars Priorities" under "Star Wars Wishes" it says "Dinosaurs!" yeesuz. Disney has no idea what to do with "Muppets" either.
@colinwatt9387
@colinwatt9387 Жыл бұрын
I clicked this because "Echo Chamberlain" is the possibly the best username I've ever seen.
@sawdust8691
@sawdust8691 Жыл бұрын
It surprises me that there are a lot of people that just happily gobble up the garbage. I just had a guy come after me saying that I should be happy Disney is making more content and moving the franchises forward, and that's the most important thing. That's right. Some people consciously defend Disney's sludgepipe of endless mediocre content. And LIKE it. And DEFEND it. Blows my mind. He said this after I said it wouldn't be a good idea if Disney made Cal Kestis his own show given their track record. Leave alone the only good Star Wars content left!!! Who else is excited for Jedi Survivor?
@rats1850
@rats1850 Жыл бұрын
Marvel is going through a huge fixing period by firing and replacing a lot of people, so it will change due time. Also everything was delayed to have it all fixed. There were good movies in marvel phase 4, too.
@tjhodge201
@tjhodge201 Жыл бұрын
Problem phase 4 movies were stand alone and not connected leading to one huge movie like End game Thanos and besides Spiderman what else was good in phase 4?
@samkochel6990
@samkochel6990 Жыл бұрын
Movies plural? Name 2 good movies in phase 2. I challenge you.
@rats1850
@rats1850 Жыл бұрын
@@samkochel6990 Shang Chi and Spider-Man No Way Home. There is also Loki and Moon Knight.
@samkochel6990
@samkochel6990 Жыл бұрын
@@rats1850 I said movies...but you might have got it...I was thinking Spiderman...but Shang Chi was...passable, parts were good, some very good. I might even call it a good movie. However, I thought Loki was dumb and Moon Knight too. The only TV show I liked was WandaVision and not all of it. Loki wasn't even Loki in his own show: he acted like an idiot and got owned by everyone.
@fersuvious
@fersuvious Жыл бұрын
^^^agreed.
@SlipdeGarcondeJour
@SlipdeGarcondeJour Жыл бұрын
I'm glad to see Echo's viewing figures creeping up, it's richly deserved.
@theoldgods8229
@theoldgods8229 Жыл бұрын
Bob Iger is an M&A expert that doesn’t have a creative bone in his body. He’s run out of franchises and studios to purchase and milked Disneys popular properties dry. Disney is now deteriorating due to the bets it’s made
@MrShaunsk
@MrShaunsk Жыл бұрын
Excellent piece. Disney will continue shitting on it's golden gooses, and the demise will continue. But the pushback is now in full swing.
@orthodoxfob2389
@orthodoxfob2389 Жыл бұрын
Don’t forget Pixar
@t-shirtedhistorian
@t-shirtedhistorian Жыл бұрын
This video wins the internet today. You had me at Hieronymous Bosch!
@michaellee8815
@michaellee8815 Жыл бұрын
The ballsucking bit at 6:00 just got you a sub. Hahahah killed me
@BarKeegan
@BarKeegan Жыл бұрын
This is the kind of commentary I need!
@verspin
@verspin Жыл бұрын
Infinity Saga was top tier tho
@MrAlexCorso
@MrAlexCorso Жыл бұрын
indeed, it was. that's why the current downward spiral hurts even more. watch one of the earlier MCU movies now and they're like the godfather in comparison.
@samwilsoncaptainamerica233
@samwilsoncaptainamerica233 Жыл бұрын
​@@MrAlexCorso The problem is that Endgame should've been the end of MCU (even if that movie okay at best).
@davemac9563
@davemac9563 9 ай бұрын
I think you should give andor more credit. It has deep world building, intelligent writing, and gets you to think about not just the conflict, but how you would feel about a morally grey Star Wars.
@TK-wk6xd
@TK-wk6xd Жыл бұрын
Start a campaign to cancel Disney + subscriptions, and that would get there attention
@jackreacher7495
@jackreacher7495 Жыл бұрын
Wanna know something hilarious? Before the Force Awakens came out, I thought to myself, "Star Wars is in good hands - Disney cares about quality." Luhmow
@akashnagar8694
@akashnagar8694 Жыл бұрын
Love your videos man🎉
@vincea2996
@vincea2996 Жыл бұрын
Actually I would like disney to raise the ticket price at their theme parks, it would make it less crowded.
@treystephens6166
@treystephens6166 Жыл бұрын
Rich people should have better things to do.
@TheEverSoTalented
@TheEverSoTalented Жыл бұрын
Since the person who had the vision and determination to make what is now a multi billion dollar behemoth (Walt Disney) died,the company has been rotting from the inside...but as we know, no company is "too big to fail" and that is why the whole world is starting to see the rot for themselves.....Disney has had many,many opportunities to stay as the pre-eminent Hollywood (now world) leading company they were once,and with the right leadership could still be...but maybe people like Walt Disney come around once in a lifetime- so Disney going forward would do well to remember what got them this far.... You know what they say "How do you know where you're going- if you don't know where you came from!?
@richardkev3077
@richardkev3077 Жыл бұрын
Couldn’t have said it better myself. No. Really. I couldn’t. Excellent analysis. Thank you.
@OpEditorial
@OpEditorial Жыл бұрын
In a weird parasitic way, commentary channels need these franchises to be lurching creatively bankrupt disappointments. There's nothing like the sting of buyer's remorse that causes the critic, fuelled by childhood memories screaming out in terror then suddenly silenced, to go on a rampage.
@wiredweird4953
@wiredweird4953 11 ай бұрын
You call the commentry parasitic, on the other hand it could be called criticism. The whole left, liberal, feminist movements or any movement for that matter is based on criticizing ills of society....or you could call it "parasitic commentry", based on which side of camp you come from. Left leaning journalist, authors, personalities have made whole carreers out of just doing parasitic commentry, by continuing for criticise everything to illogical extremes.
@OpEditorial
@OpEditorial 11 ай бұрын
@@wiredweird4953 well yeah, I get the impression that they tend to be way too harsh in their assessments, like the companies that produce the entertainment owe them perfection and the people that make the shows (often unsung heroes) owe them blood. Sure they might be right, but it doesn't make it any less painful.
@KevinWhite-zb5os
@KevinWhite-zb5os 6 ай бұрын
"It's almost as bad as up to 40% of you failing to hit the subscribe button..." Ouch! 🙃
@nicktroisi6347
@nicktroisi6347 7 ай бұрын
It really hurts to see franchises like Marvel, Star Wars and DC just crumble and become less than they were. I mean I grew up with these franchises, these characters that I idolised, that I looked up to. I remember wanting to be a Jedi like Obi-Wan and Anakin Skywalker or a superhero like Spider-Man, Batman, Superman, The Hulk, Iron-Man ect. I remember watching and reading hours and hours of movies and stories that helped me escape. I remember putting glue on my hands, dressed up as Spider-Man and tried to climb up a wall in my backyard, yes I actually did that 😂. I remember owning all the toys and games and those costumes. I remember playing with my brother having a lightsaber fight or idk fighting with those toys. I miss that, I miss when these franchises inspired, inspired my generation and it’s sad because these future generations will only know what is now instead of what came before. I missed what these franchises used to stand for. Telling coherent stories while simultaneously teaching important lessons.
@FuhqEwe
@FuhqEwe Жыл бұрын
I literally can’t tell if this is a robotic monotone voice or a robot text to speech.
@WhiteDragon689
@WhiteDragon689 Жыл бұрын
If Disney would fire Kennedy and hire the people who make fan StarWar films, they would make watchable stories and it would be StarWar.
@jdblue00
@jdblue00 10 ай бұрын
I really enjoyed this analysis of various developments at Disney over the past few years. Very interesting and sophisticated. I also found many of my opinions in it. Thanks. Liked and subscribed.
@Crichjo32
@Crichjo32 Жыл бұрын
Comparing Kathleen Kennedy to the pit of Sarlacc is the most apt comparison anyone has made about that woman.
@GrimmFilmEnt
@GrimmFilmEnt Жыл бұрын
Andor is the best thing to come from Star Wars universe since Disney purchased it.
@deefsound
@deefsound Жыл бұрын
That nicely sums it all up.
@irvhh143
@irvhh143 Жыл бұрын
It is a no win situation. There is really no way to please the older fans anyway. You can't go back to the past. The younger generation has grown up playing video games that have better sfx than any movie made before 2000. Today's teenagers have travelled the world and aren't impressed by dressed up streets of Tunesia.
@Badger1776
@Badger1776 Жыл бұрын
Good review. I’m glad I’m not the only one that feels this way.
@agentsmith2378
@agentsmith2378 Жыл бұрын
Your channel is grossly undersubbed.great vid
@TheEverSoTalented
@TheEverSoTalented Жыл бұрын
10:22 , couldn't put it better....perfect summary!
@troyav
@troyav Жыл бұрын
Excellent work. Thank you
@vegasgone07-dh4lb
@vegasgone07-dh4lb Жыл бұрын
That's not true about the Sarlacc Pitt anymore, since Disney screwed it up in Book of Boba Fett, there's no oxygen in the Sarlacc Pitt and if you fall in your dead in 5 minutes. No longer feeling the pain of digestion. Way to go Disney, making Jabba look dumb.
@sendtheasteroid8008
@sendtheasteroid8008 Жыл бұрын
9:32 they should start releasing the white boards for all TV shows or movies in advance so I can decide if I'm going to watch it or not.
@changvasejarik62
@changvasejarik62 Жыл бұрын
I’m reminded of something from lucky star, failure after failure coming from a lack of “love” (ironic considering the politics) but these things are loved and celebrated by many yet are being manufactured by people who feel no love the product they want others to consume, while at the same time discouraging love so they can have what they see as better control over the narrative both in the story and outside production.
@eeeheehe
@eeeheehe Жыл бұрын
I agree with EVERYTHING but your Andor comment. That show was objectively ONE of the best Star Wars projects ever made
@robderich8533
@robderich8533 Жыл бұрын
To be fair, I agree with everything said, including all the parts about sucking balls, with one exception: SW-Andor. The series is the only Disney Star Wars product that was made by somebody who truly understands about the importance of good screenwriting. The result is a series which is at least on par in places to the best there is in television entertainment imho. I highly recommend it to anyone who hasn't seen it yet. As far as I know, 5 seasons were originally planned. However, it seems that Disney has a pronounced aversion against quality and that is why the series has been shortened to 2 seasons. Let's just hope that the company at least releases this second one, after that I don't mind if they go broke like they honestly deserve.
@TheAlphaLegionnaire
@TheAlphaLegionnaire Жыл бұрын
I’d argue that since Lucas sold it’s all been fan fiction. At least that’s what I’m chalking it up as.
Rings of Power: One rant to bind them all
13:46
Echo Chamberlain
Рет қаралды 50 М.
How Disney Plus Hurts the MCU
12:17
captainmidnight
Рет қаралды 365 М.
Miracle Doctor Saves Blind Girl ❤️
00:59
Alan Chikin Chow
Рет қаралды 31 МЛН
Can You Draw The PERFECT Circle?
00:57
Stokes Twins
Рет қаралды 92 МЛН
ELE QUEBROU A TAÇA DE FUTEBOL
00:45
Matheus Kriwat
Рет қаралды 13 МЛН
The Real Reason Disney is in Trouble
16:29
ScreenCrush
Рет қаралды 177 М.
The Fall of MARVEL - A Video Essay
13:07
Echo Chamberlain
Рет қаралды 81 М.
Hollywood's Identity Junkies - It's About Me
18:29
Echo Chamberlain
Рет қаралды 45 М.
Why Star Wars is a complete MESS | Video Essay
20:12
Movie Overload
Рет қаралды 155 М.
Star Wars Is A Dead Franchise
10:05
The Critical Drinker
Рет қаралды 1,7 МЛН
When Good Shows Go Bad - The Mandalorian
17:00
The Closer Look
Рет қаралды 935 М.
Are J.K Rowling's views legitimate?
15:08
Echo Chamberlain
Рет қаралды 18 М.
Indiana Jones Is Kathleen Kennedy's Latest Failure
8:06
Echo Chamberlain
Рет қаралды 160 М.
There's Nothing Left To Ruin
9:01
Echo Chamberlain
Рет қаралды 61 М.
Miracle Doctor Saves Blind Girl ❤️
00:59
Alan Chikin Chow
Рет қаралды 31 МЛН