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George Lucas had a story he wanted to tell. Disney has a product they want to sell. It's as simple as that

As i understood it, reys parents/grandparents were: obi wan, then nobody, then palpatine, then nobody again and then 2 weeks before filming rise of skywalker they decided for palpatine 😂

You know your character is bad when they make it through an entire Star Wars trilogy without losing a single limb

You said it best, sir. SW used to be the Godfather of film franchises. Now it's just the Transformers Bayverse of modern media.

Disney is on a downward spiral. Everything they have been releasing recently, Marvel or Star Wars, feels like they're trying to course correct their plane crash of an entertainment company. Nothing is worth watching, or exciting, or getting the support it should. Everyone behind these products are too out of touch or just don't have enough care/enthusiasm to make something worth while for these IP's. Putting someone new behind these products is not the solution. The people behind it need to decide where they want to take these products and come up with at least a 5-year plan, because throwing things at the wall to see what sticks is just losing money for them. I want good Star Wars, I want good Marvel. I would give them all of my money but I need to be entertained. I want to WANT to see these movies but they are so bad, generic, and just uninteresting. They're making movies I'd rather just watch on streaming or pirate services, not events to be seen in theaters. They need to do better, actually care about the products they're making, and they will see the money. Idk how they managed to make their products this bad for this long but I hope somebody picks it up soon, I miss these movies a lot.

The biggest issue with sequel characters like Rey, Finn, Poe, is that they were almost hilariously badly handled in the sequel trilogy and get a catch-22: to make them better, you'd have to retcon parts of ST, which Disnep wouldn't be cool with, or you'd have to soldier on with bad characters in a show or a movie that might be decent, but it would be even better with good characters.

It breaks my heart to see Star Wars become this.

That Shrek clip with Kathleen Kennedy sums up how the fanbase feels PERFECTLY

Disney has doomed the franchise ever since 2014 when it turned canon into legends. Yes, you may own the rights but if you think you are above the generations of fans, you'll fail into an implosion of your own toxicity. This is a good lesson. If you want to make your own content, *make your own content.* If you want to make money off Star Wars, continue George Lucas's content including the moral of his stories. Anyone who's in the movie business needs to follow this.

I’m done with Disney. They have deceived me too many times. Won’t support any of their future projects.

Rogue One and Andor are the best things to come out of Star Wars during Disney's tenure. Why aren't they throwing money at Tony Gilroy to create more phenomenal stories?

Clearly the lack of a plan with the sequel trilogy is the reason it didn't go well. Rian Johnson's direction was completely different from Abrams and it messed everything up.

My three takes are: Rey should've been a nobody, and this should've been revealed in the first movie. Luke shouldn't have been a chicken as they made him be. And Palpatine shouldn't have returned, somehow. But most importantly, I'm still shocked that Disney, this huge company didn't have a line of story to be broken into three movies since the beginning. If I shake my head too much over this, I'll have a concussion. The Force Awakens wasn't a terrible movie (it wasn't that great either), but I wish things had gone differently from there...

This is one of the best takes on Star Wars overall and the upcoming train wreck we’re about to witness

It's actually really simple, and I don't know how much more we can repeat it years later. JJ, Kathy and Disney never had a plan for a trilogy. Stupid? Very. Baffling? Extremely. Inexcuseable? Absolutely. Impossible? Apparently not.

Give us a bane trilogy that is based on the books. It’s not hard to go off the amazing stories that are in legends

If Rey isn't a Mary Sue, then no one is and the term has no meaning.

Daisy is a fine actress, Ray is a poor character. The writers did her dirty and it absolutely sucks

That lead up to Last Jedi is probably the best it’ll ever get again. Not gonna fool people into getting hyped for Star Wars ever again

I remember a simpler time where there were only 6 movies and the prequels other than EP3 were universally hated.

What you said around 13:55 about Kathleen Kennedy “doing one final F you” to SW fans is exactly what it feels like!

They’re trying to show the fans who runs Star Wars, and acting like they’re our parents and we eat what they cook. When they’re more akin to a restaurant we don’t have to do business with, if we don’t like the menu.

Rey, in and of herself, wasn't a terrible character, but she - and by association, Daisy Ridley - were done dirty by a team of utterly incompetent writers and filmmakers. She couldn't just be a totally new character with no ties to who had come before her; a nobody from nowhere who, by twist of fate, was granted with great power through the Force and, thereby, destined to be the one to bring about the rebirth of the Jedi Order. No; she had to be PALPATINE'S FREAKING GRANDDAUGHTER through plot contrivances so sloppily conceived that the worst fan fiction writers on the planet would look at that and say, "Hmm, that's kinda stupid". I liked Rey, and I liked Daisy as Rey, but I hate what the people behind the Sequel Trilogy did to the character, and I don't know if this new film can rectify all that. No; you know what? I'm going to be realistic here: I am quite confident that this new film WON'T rectify all that, no matter how hard they try. And, I'm sorry, but I don't worship at the Altar of Filoni like other people here do. Yeah; it's clear that he LOVES Star Wars, but I don't see him reaching beyond what he loves about it to try anything NEW. I just see him making more and more of the same stuff with the same characters, like a kid who only plays with his favorite Star Wars figures while others remain untouched. He's not going to bring anything truly innovative or new to the table; he'll just find new ideas for the same old characters. That's not moving forward or letting go of the past. That's just "same shit, different series".

I don't want them to ever touch the Old Republic. Ever. I have no idea why people are wanting films set in the era. 20 years ago it would've been the coolest shit you'd have ever seen in sci-fi. but nowadays, there is no passionate director who tells everyone just how great the era is and a writer who see more than an era but a philosophical battle to the death about the force, about true good and about your own role in such a world and wants to tell a complete narrative. It's just Disney and their ruinous team.

Seeing the clips again in this video has reminded me: those cinematics Bioware created as part of SWTOR are straight up better and tell better stories than anything we've got from Disney Star Wars. I'd love to see Bioware make a full animation in that style, even though that would be prohibitively expensive I imagine.

It's not doomed to failure OR will it be revitalized. It will just... CONTINUE. It'll continue to be JUST PROFITABLE ENOUGH to keep being made.

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again... and expecting different results."

18:33 How about someone from the Extended Universe/Legends days like Timmothy Zahn or James Luceno. Those where Star Wars creators who pushed the franchise forward and respected what other creators did.

My take on the sequel trilogy is: Ben Solo should have been our protagonist. Rey is a nobody mirroring Anakin, she is a child of the force, conceived to work as a dyad with Ben, an attempt of the force to bring balance in itself since the Skywalker lineage is too strong being created by manipulation of the force. Both Ben and Rey continuously change places in this light side/dark side battle (could even be a tragic love story considering they love each other but the more one pulls to the light the other is instantly pulled to the dark) which eventually leads to the death of Luke and Leia, leaving them both as the only strong force users in the galaxy. This all leads them both to investigate into this lineage, understanding the force deeper than ever and (without introducing him physically but as a force ghost) we see Plaguis motives on creating Anakin and the nature of balance. In the finale, they’re both doomed to die together to keep balance, or live and battle each other all their lives.

Rey is a character without a likable personality. The only conflict she ever had was her own narcissism: feeling insecure, needing affirmation, needing validation, only to realize that she needed no-one at all and that she was awesome from the start. She could even come out as a Skywalker just by saying so. I understand why that resonates with some people, but there is just nowhere to go now. How believable would it even be to give her some kind of actual struggle now, after 3 movies? What good will a 4th movie be that pretty much undoes what the previous 3 movies have done? And this would even be the good option. The bad option would be a Rey movie that just keeps doubling down: she battles the patriarchy, AGAIN. She is the most awesome hero, AGAIN. She won't need anyone's help, AGAIN...

New Rey movie is basically Star Wars Legends of what Luke Skywalker did! Seriously it feels unneeded.

I’m genuinely angry at how much they have ruined the Mandalorian in only one season. I swear to God, all I have to look forward to is the second season of Andor at this point. At least that team isn’t going to let Kathy ruin everything.

The question is, will they actually make the film? Many previously announced SW movies were eventually thrown in the bin. Disney is hemorrhaging money, and it won't surprise me if by this time next year we'll hear about the movie being cancelled.

I love how you keep using Homelander to express your current thoughts on Star Wars

The new Thrawn Trilogies laid out the perfect opportunity to move forward and build something different while utilizing the elements that make Star Wars, Star Wars! I don't get it!

When did Ray have time to learn Wookiee while scavenging on a desert?

Disney has owned Star Wars for what 11 years now and they still can't grasp what "feels like Star Wars" yet. I remember how baffled I was when they cast Benicio Del Toro and Laura Dern in TLJ because seeing recognisable actors in SW just felt off. Then they go and slap in Lizzo and Jack Black on it like it's nothing. Combine that with Filoni's flavor of SW or Gilroy's cynicism and it's just hard to enjoy anything.

If Ahsoka & Guardians 3 don’t succeed, Disney will be in serious trouble

Rey is totally a Mary Sue ... if there is a zone named M.S., she'd be the Major of it. All powerful, universally liked and always with the moral high ground. It's undeniable.

The director picked for this movie is all I need to know about it.

There's no way that the teaser trailer for this movie is going to have the same vibe like TFA one when it first came out.

This is why I actually really like Star Wars visions Some are hit and miss but most are ORIGINAL and CREATIVE Like a lot of those stories could easily be spun into its own movie series or show and wouldn’t need to rely on the prequels or original series And it’s hilarious that Disney and Lucas film can’t do the same

The reason Disney doesn't want to completely disavow the new trilogy is quite simple: doing so would mean admitting their complete failure on top of accepting that doing the movies/shows for the sole purpose of sending the questionable morale and messaging (without telling a good story with good characters) to the masses doesn't work. Disney has the resources to f*ck around, at least for now, but the cracks are starting to show, and it is just a matter of time before the entire thing collapses on itself if they keep on forcing their present course.

It is possible that this wound in the fandom may never be healed.

I actually do remember people loving The Force Awakens and couldn’t wait for the questions to be answered but then TLJ released and then suddenly every sequel film was hated. If they had kept JJ working on the whole sequel trilogy then I feel it would’ve been decent and not shit. Disney will be Disney though.

It isn't just Star Wars, but all of Disney's products in their entertainment media division. Their parks aren't doing so well either. Disney and LucasFilm just aren't listening to the *CONSUMER* or *FANS*, and that is the real problem.

If I were Disney, I'd want to make adaptations of the Various Legends-specific stories (The Karen Traviss RC novels, Legacy Of The Force novels, Labyrinth Of Evil, the Rogue Squadron novels, the New Jedi Order novels and Splinter Of The Mind's Eye are notable examples) instead of a Rey-Centric post-ST film. Heck, if I wanted to, I'd tell a few more stories set in the Dark-Times era (19 BBY-2 BBY) about the various separatist holdouts and other early rebel group/cells.

Rey spent all her life on Jakku, a desert planet. Yet in the next movie, she can swim. And in the following, she pilots a boat better than who it belongs to

I absolutely love Rogue One

Essentially they are giving her the story that should have been Lukes. Fans won't be pleased and they have every right to be.

The problems started in TFA, it recycled the first film, reset Solo's character, forced us to focus on a mystery they clearly didn't have an answer for, had a lead with no character arc nor growth, made a soldier who was a kidnapped child rebel because not wanting to kill perfectly happy (ecstatic even) to kill his former fellow kidnapped soldiers, got both the force and hyperspace wrong and insinuated Luke ran away. This movie needs to fail for Star Wars to succeed.

Well done, earned my follow with accurate insight and account of events, many fail to collate into a cogent thought

I agree with you 100%. Dave Filoni would be a great choice to lead the Star Wars Franchise, I think many of the issues he is having with his current shows is that is trying to weave a tale in which the Sequel Turdogy somehow makes sense and somehow tying it back to the Lucas Films but that sort of artistic gymnastics is something I am not sure anyone can pull off.

It would've been interesting to see a mainline Star Wars story where we see it in a Sith's perspective. Then as the saga continues, we slowly get to see them lean more and more to the Light Side.

“I’m all the sith.” “And I’m all the Jedi.” It’s as if a damn child wrote this script while playing with his action figures. But then again, maybe that’s what Ryane Jonson and JarJar Abrams were doing when they wrote the scripts we got in these AAA movies 🤦‍♂️ Edit: And another thing I’ve noticed, is that Star Wars has no focus, no direction and no unified vision. It’s a damn chaotic mess. Such a damn shame too..

Honestly my excitement is Zero, Personally thought the sequel trilogy should have been about Luke and the New Jedi Council, With the Council wanting to be more proactive,basically kicking him out and him going into hiding and training a new Apprentice to oppose them, Basically no more Sith (Bringing Balance to the Force) only Light , Dark and Grey Jedi. In the end The Apprentice realizes what Luke was trying to tell them, that the Balance, basically the Grey path is the right one to follow. That's just me though

We will look back at this, and laugh because this film will never see the day of light.

It's hard to take Lucasfilms serious with Kathleen Kennedy as the head of the company. She let Rian Johnson write quite possibly the worst movie in the history of blockbuster films. They literally gave him the authority to do whatever he wanted despite how illogical it was to the already established universe and how damning it was to the individual characters and storyline. Hell his own script contradicts itself so many times it was hard to believe what I was watching.

8:05 you lost me at the Mary Sue thing was a "little overcooked".. dude, she was a Jedi Master on day zero - with no training whatsoever. That's one of the most M.S. moments in cinema history!

When The Force Awakens came out my first thought was that it was harmless nostalgia bait. Calling it a Sequel and claiming it was standing at the same level as GL's work was jumping the gun, but it wasn't upsetting content. I didn't love anything in it, but I didn't hate it either. Within minutes of the movie's end, though, I realized my problem: it had no passion. The love was quite literally gone. I had no desire to watch more Star Wars after The Force Awakens and was perfectly willing to let other people risk it to decide whether or not the coming projects were worth it. So far, only Mando 1-2, Rogue One and Andor have managed it. Amongst the vast ocean of new content since Disney acquired the franchise, 2.5 successes is...dismal. My only hope was that they didn't ruin Ahsoka, but your interest in Dawn of the Jedi at least reassures me that my current strategy might still get some good results.

Who in their right mind would class the Last Jedi as a masterpiece 😂

Star Wars - Tales of the Jedi, is amazing, and I really recommend it.

how dare you be so reasonable, that's not allowed online and DEFINITELY not in fandoms

The MarySue thing is actually worse than people made it out to be. She had like an hour of training and became an absolute god of the force able to take down its most powerful practitioner who had decades and decades of dedicated study, without suffering a SINGLE permanent setback at any point during the trilogy and NEVER failing at anything attempted.

I don’t want Star Wars to fail, but I haven’t seen anything to make me hope it will get better. As far as anticipation for TLJ, it paled in comparison to the hype prior to Phantom Menace. There will never be anything more highly anticipated or a bigger letdown.

I personally hate that they steered away from the Skywalkers because that is what it was originally all about. And their story is not finished. Or ended in the worst way. They were supposed to be the New Hope... and then they weren't. I wish they could find a way to finish that right. and then move on.

Star Wars and Star Trek suffer from the same issue-relying on JJ Abrams to set the stage.

That one moment in Kenobi was also not original and was pretty much a copy of a similar scene in Star Wars Rebels.

Rey is a Mary Sue by definition. I think the actress is fairly competent, which helps with Rey’s character, but the script will never allow the actress to rise above the confines of what a Mary Sue is. She’s uninteresting because there’s no way she can’t be. I think there’s backlash against the Mary Sue thing in the fanbase because the media was super quick to brand anyone who said the words “Mary Sue” as a sexist, which is absurd. It’s a well-defined literary term. Many people examined themselves and wondered if indeed the media was correct, and they started to avoid the term because it was now, along with pretty much every other dissident sentiment, a political issue. Don’t back down. Mary Sue is the term for Rey because that’s what she is. It’s ok to admit it. She’s a bad character, written by bad writers who were hamstrung by bad producers who wanted bad things to make good money for themselves.

They need to straighten out the story line first. I'm so confused on who even Rey is. If you want to do another story on Rey you need an origins story released first. Or at least a few TV episodes to explain things. But the bigger problem to me is not Rey it is how Palpatine came back and was he just a clone or did they move his mind/spirit from his old body into a new one, or did Palpatine somehow just survive the fall or what. I'm so confused on the whole story right now and if it was me I would just start over and can 7,8,9 films. Like you said episode seven was good, it gave us a good backstory to build on. But also like you said episode eight destroyed Star Wars. Episode nine felt like a salvage job but failed to explain things. Now how do you build on that. The whole thing is a mess, either reboot 7,8,9 or do a movie/show/series leading up to 7,8,9 that explains Rey, that explains Palpatine (which they are trying to do now), that explains Luke and how he turned into a bum, that explains the Knights of Ren, that explains the mess they made with those movies cause it will be hard to move on if you don't do that first.

Here's the thing, for me I just think the Sequels were taking stuff from the originals to make a movie because they did not want to take risks. They don't feel epic, they just feel restricted. They were never trying to do something different or new to evolve the Star Wars franchise. Now it just feels stagnant because they relied on too much nostalgia.

What is Rey going to teach the young lings? She doesn't use a light saber form, she got her force abilities without training in any meaningful way and basically got power ups whenever the story needed her to be stronger. Rey gona tell the kids to "just get good" when a sith is running at them?

Here's how I envision exactly why Disney (and KK) want to double down on Rey and the Sequel trilogy. First, if your initial forays into a character or time period are not necessarily successful, you can redeem those eras or characters through extra content. Look at the Prequel era. Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones weren't exactly beloved when they came out, but Lucasfilm persisted and created a lot of extra content for both the characters and the setting. And what happened? A lot of current SW prequel fans became fans through the animated series as well as the other material and games that came during that time. Additionally, we had games, comics, and other media that fleshed out the Prequel era. But what have we had with the Sequel trilogy? We've had a few books, I guess, and there was that one animated show. But there's been very little extra content to make people even begin to like the Sequel trilogy (at least for those who didn't really like it). So what do you do? You create extra content around the Sequel trilogy era to flesh out characters and settings that were not fleshed out in the prior movies. In that regard, I can totally understand why Disney is doing what it is doing with the Rey sequel. Second, I think there is an ideological point to it. What does Disney lose if it abandons the Sequel trilogy? They admit that they were wrong, and that some of the fans (and yes, some of the haters) were right. Given that a lot of people have branded the Sequel detractors as some sort of "-ists" or "-phobes," you would be admitting that some of your ideological opponents were in fact correct. I don't think that the current Disney believes that they can make that decision.

They botched Obi Wan. I'm not expecting anything.

Disney should not be trusted with making up the origins of the Jedi. They have no clue about the lore and it will be as shallow as a kitty pool

Relax on saying Clone wars only had 3 good episodes, I’ll agree the Mortez sisters arch was slow but the stuff with the bad batch, finding echo, getting to see Anakin and Obiwan a pregnant padme, pump the breaks Ozzy lol

George Lucas might be able to buy his company back pennies on the dollar and make it legendary again.

Why does nobody talk about Fallen Order? Seriously the story is so good…Kenobi stole some of it for some stupid reason. It’s a great game and great inclusion in the original timeline. I can’t give it enough praise.

It’s so funny to me that there are people who manage to convince themselves that “Star Wars is dead” or Star Wars is “shaky” and “needs to find it footing”

Can you do another video on Andor because it's perfect. The last video you did was only till ep 7

The definition of insanity: watching Disney Star Wars expecting quality

Awesome video, honestly pisses me off how they’ve ruined this franchise. I’ll never get over Kenobi, OBI WAN KENOBI show and you fail to deliver.

“Disney Star Wars is not my Star Wars.” - George Lucas All Star Wars made by Disney is not canon. Yes, that includes rogue one and andor. Everything made by Disney is not canon.

One issue I have as Star Wars as a whole. I may be alone on this. The Empire being viewed as Pure Evil in stories that take place between 3 and 4. Aside is having 0 nuance, the Dialogue in Star Wars within the first 20 minutes. The conversation between Leia and Vader implies that Vader invading Leia’s is only something He would be Bold enough to try because she’s a member of the imperial senate. But he accuses her of receiving a transmission from the Rebels. Remember Episode 3 establishes that Palpatine was democratically elected. They’re War Heroes. And then Disney makes the the First Order… who make less sense.

Disney star wars is the best when they write new storys that do not follow the jedi-sith conflict. See Andor, the Mandalorian and Rogue One. but when it comes to jedi they just brain dead go: unga bunga need skywalker name and papa Palpi

I actually think a continuation of the sequels has potential but will probably stuff over the sequels even more

"We are getting a Rey solo movie" "Wait, shes a Solo now? I thought she was a Palpwalker"

Great video! I'm honestly just excited for Visons Vol 2 & the James Mangold movie. I also hope with better writers they might make Rey a better character now.

Would have been cool if Rey was the daughter of Obi Wan and Sateen and then she would go on to be come the new Mandalore and weild the darksaber.

Well, they've already 100% confirmed that Ryan Johnson's trilogy is not happening... Thank God.

THREE episodes of the clone wars??

Last Jedi is terrible. Burn all copies and film of that movie.

While Kathleen Kennedy (KK) is a brilliant producer, she is a bad creative head. You're right about Star Wars feeling corporate right now. The Sequels had no plan, they were led by higher ups who thought the best way to sell this product was constant nostalgia. Whenever there is something good that gets popular the corporate people start taking over and say "the chart says this is the best way to go". Mandalorian Season 1, left alone, it was amazing. It got super popular, so the higher ups got involved and made it so their cash cow Baby Yoda would be back with Mando by the beginning of season 3. Doesn't matter if they're quickly reunited in a spinoff, doesn't matter if people who only watch Mandalorian are confused that they're back together, all that matters is the fan service and selling Baby Yoda toys.

I've agreed with almost everything you've said, minus the part where you said Filoni should take Kennedy's place. That guy has no regard for continuity and constantly tramples over other people's work. He focuses more on the eye-candy moments rather than the storytelling itself, which often involves contradicting events that took place previously, thus damaging the universe due to a lack of coherence. It would be great if we could get someone with a good business sense that also respects the universe and the writers who contribute to it. Sadly, no one at Lucasfilm seems to fit that description.

The Force Awakens did it's job by getting us all reinvested in the Star Wars mythos. My sister and I who are lifelong fans were as giddy as ever walking out of that movie. This is despite the fact that it was essentially a soft reboot of A New Hope. Then came The Last Jedi which completely destroyed everything. It's as simple as that.

The only way I could see Rey rebuilding the Jedi Order going over okay would be if Luke was there as a force ghost to help her and guide her.

These days activism in movies are more important than making an actual good movie. Well, to the movie studios anyway. smh

12:50 what you said here is so true, they need to expand forwards or backwards or sideways. The problem is the ppl making these movies aren’t true fans. They haven’t seen the shows or the games or read the books. It’s like a child trying to write the sequel to the Iliad when they haven’t read it.

18:32 I would say a room full of typing chimps would be~ XD