Yeah dude fights to protect humanity, even died for some time,for some years later to discover that humans are making dealerships and alliances with decepticons to kill autobots, just for minor greeds of power

You not wrong about that at all. The fact they survived that long is a testament to his leadership. Scientists vs soldiers.

And that the humans never learned, it was the humans obstinacy that broke him

Optimus Primal says something about his attitude in the last movie and they tell him something like your comment about it

​@@yerbasanta505 The Optimus in the new movie isn't the same one as the Bayverse though. New continuity entirely.

Great thought. I really wished Nemesis Prime was shown more, but the scenes he was in were cool.

Tbh, there isn’t that much of a difference before and after. But nemesis prime is just apathetic on all levels

Because Quintessa didn't brainwashed him, she just took out Prime's morality, the only thing still keeping his pain and rage for everything he has been through, his sense of morality in DOTM showed its ugliest side when he had his morals above everything else, AOE then showed Prime pushing aside his morality because this time wasn't about doing what a Prime is supposed to do, it's about avoiding seeing the people you care die again and again, it's the fear of not being able to defend his family again...his morality in AOE took the biggest blow yet, but he still went back defending Earth...but by the time Optimus meets Quintessa he's just someone desperate for peace, and will do anything to achive that...Nemesis and Optimus aren't different, because they are the same person, just without the morality of one.

@@trudreus7327 correct me if im wrong but isnt that pretty much what the original comment said?

I think they tried to show that visually by making nemesis have purple eyes instead of red. He wasn’t truly evil because his mission had purpose, instead if explicitly doing it to see others suffer

Agree, and it's miraculous what a great fighter he is, considering he was just a data clerk and had no military rank or combat training when he was Orion Pax!

I know, g1 Stan’s complain about someone not being happy all the time while being in a war

@@JetStream_Mann it was even highlighted in the TFP series where Optimus eventually becomes the bayverse prime Because he realizes the Megatron he knew is gone.

​@@MarvinzWrldnot really that was foolish decision optimus regretted it TFP Megatron didnt kill optimus when he became orion due to memory loss. Even just let him touch decepticon database lol

​@@MarvinzWrldTFP and Bayverse are two separate continuities.

I like Aoe for the right reasons, The action, the designs, Lockdown being a complete menace, Optimus' return, and the dinobots (even if they were underused) it holds a special place in me because it's what got me into transformers... little did i know it had Disrespectful autobots, Annoying and poorly Written human characters, "the boyfriend", and Pointless villains like Galvatron, stinger and the Ksi drones, but i still like it more than Tlk, it just had almost no redeeming qualities

​@JustaRandomDude1812 man I love this tiny little thread of based ass ppl that understand its okay to like a garbage movie. I remember first watching most the Transformers movies, I'm pretty biased towards most of them despite the many many flaws lmao

@@blue-vr8dd yeah i don't care if my opinion is different, i like bad movies for the right reasons or for some personal reason, But if i don't like a Bad movie, Then it has almost No Redeeming qualities or has nothing good In general

Sam died?

@Jaysnipes apparently, yes. the fan theory is that Optimus grunted "Sam" when he first awoke in Cade's shed. and in TLK we saw a picture of Sam in the Witwiccan shrine and the old dude said he was the last one

Agreed. Death itself must be a traumatic experience and he basically died thinking he may have failed everyone/doomed them all Then the last thing he hears is someone saying "you are so weak" And internally he sort of knew it was true in a way. He was given a second chance and with everything that had happened and how he died, it is no real wonder some part of him was "damaged" beyond repair so to speak and he decided he wont risk it ever again

​@@Destroyer120296 And why I could take the ending of DoTM. If it was the peace ending then makes sense as well but still a huge gamble.

I wouldn't attribute this much thought into this franchise tbh. No I'm not a 'these movies are mindless action setpieces' snob but there is literally no subtext in the movies to showcase your take so it might as well be a really cool headcanon

Well the jet from revenge of the fallen did say before he ripped his spark out “itll give him a new power or life he’s never felt before”

What you’re describing is an extension of the problem that every single autobot except Optimus and Bee are fucking useless charisma voids

Optimus soon learned humans could be worse than decepticons, not only keeping Cybertech and cyberhistory on earth to themselves Later we seen humans willingly working with the decepticons, then having Sentinel prime flip from protecting life, to genocide for the sake of cybertron (the pillars) Optimus really got pissed off when he learned humans not only worked with bad cybers, but hunted both sides down to gain resources, so the first human Optimus killed was the one working with the cyber assassin (I forget its name)

​@@Bustuhh Lockdown

​@@Bustuhh Harold Attinger was his name afaik

blud didnt let it slide

“You’ll never stop at one…” *Energon blades come out of his wrist* “…I’LL TAKE YOU ALL ON!”

Lmao my thoughts exactly. "Would be cool if ____" can explain the writing in most Bay movies.

Goes to show how subjective art is. You can find meaning in everything, even where there is none.

Well the thing is that Michael Bay didn't write the movies, he just directed, as opposed to many other directors like Christopher Nolan who either write, co-write or at least are involved in the story writing on top of directing. The writers of the first 3 Transformers movies actually wrote a compelling story & characters, so that's why you can get a video like this diving deep into the events of the series.

​@@John-Xit would be cool if the transformers trilogy were directed by another one, but at same time, i love those movies, so is kinda "choose your poison" for me

This just lines up with one of the few Headcanons I have for Optimus, something ROTB kind of echoed: Prime holds back because he knows how much more dangerous he could be if he didn’t. This is what happens if you push him too far. Remember, in RotF, Optimus had been trying to defend a new planet for years now, and one of his allies, someone he considered a friend was under threat from someone he thought was gone, and it hit him that he needed to stop pulling his punches or billions would die. He said “You’ll never stop at one!” And he was right. They turned around the very next movie, slaughtered Chicago, and tried to kill all humans for Cybertron. And in ROTB, Skirge had up to that point killed hundreds of Cybertronians, many of which may have been Primes friends, and had directly killed Bumblebee at this point, and at his wits end, he knew he couldn’t let Skirge live and made sure he couldn’t come back. Everyone seems to write these events off as just weird outliers, but it’s probably some of the most insanely powerful portrayals because this is what happens if you push a pacifist too far.

@@rogue_2k374Very true. Thats why you never push the nice guy too far or he will unleash his anger onto you.

I mean these guys aren’t the con we were used to growing up most of them were pure psychopaths

The sad thing is you are right and how long has Optimus been fighting this war now? millennia I’d say and no matter who you are you will break and that is what this is “I’m done holding back I can’t or everyone gets hurt” So he takes off his gloves and puts on his brass knuckles with the precision of a sniper but the ruthlessness of a berserker

@darkfox1861 because that is what Megatron values. He values obedience, ruthlessness, savagery, lack of mercy, cunning, scheming, competence, and most of all, he lives by the principle: "ends justify the means." That kind of leader has 0 room for honorable and principled warriors. Those get killed off by more ruthless decepticons looking to improve their station under Megatron.

the bay film only did ironhide dying because in the 80's movie ironhide and prowl were fan favorites killed off Micheal Bay is just doing more edgy adaptations and its kind of terrible more than half the time optimus himself was killed off in the old movie.. not everyone went home in the original stuff and i dunno how a bay film could be described as realistic seeing as earth is the hiding spot for the plot device in like 3 different movies there is some ancient bullcrap hidden on earth like 3 different times.. micheal bay might make his fights look gritty but the movies overall make the obsolete least sense of any transformers property and i dunno how anyone could call them realistic just for copying character deaths that did indeed happen in the OG cartoons... theses movies are far from original or deep and mostly an exercise in special effects

I think the bay verse visually is more realistic, had hope for the new continuity but the writing in the last movie was somehow worse then the bayverse writing. Also the CGI looked too digital for me.

Yeah I agree, I was confused at first as I was watching through the movies as to why he became so violent. I now have an amazing explanation right here! Great job on the video dude!

Same. RandomBlackGamer explained this too. Think of Bay Prime as a war veteran that's keeps getting dragged back into war.

The one problem with wanting other bots to express their surprise and displeasure at prime is that they all die and thats the reason he changes. Prime has seen jazz die presumably, ironhide, and he was especially angry about ratchet. And as for the humans, well they're also pushing prime away so they shouldn't turn right around and ask why he's so sad or mad about it.

The problem with this video is that the fight isn't the first time he went psycho, in fact literally in the first part of the movie he executes a con point blank for no actual reason. He went insane there, and there was nothing that merited this change.

he never gone psycho. He merely learned that if he continued to hold back and continue to allow the enemy to have a chance will result in more deaths and potentially a greater risk of losing. Its a lesson of it's self aswell. Hold back against those who intend to hurt you can and will result in your death aswell as others. Give the foe no chance then you will succeed. Some times being brutal and overly aggressive is the only way to quickly end something that is a risk to everyone's lives

I kind of agree but idk man i think he is a bit "too" creative with kills

​@@Inedow_The_Source_of_Racismwhen the enemy glows orange, he doesn't know what glory kill he gets

And both batman optimus end up almost destroying world Wait Batman does already billions of humans gone

@@kp1x oh no, I'm pretty sure anybody that actually properly understand Batfleck knows that he isn't a ruthless murderer. He's not the comics flashpoint Thomas Wayne Batman. His goal wasn't, unlike many anti-heroes, to murder criminals. It was just to enforce law and stop crime by any means necessary after robin's death. Basically, he wanted to kill Joker and was ready to do anything to do so, but supes made him realise the need to go back to his values. Batfleck is still batman. He's probably the most comic accurate representation we'll ever get, interns of character, lethality and design, just going through a rough spell due to robin's death. Shame that that's gone.

@@kp1x thanks, bruv. Yeah people look at movies superficially and don't even try to understand, and most aren't even that hard to understand. Glad to meet you, Patel Bhai! The feeling is mutual!

The point of One Bad Day and the death of Robin was to show that Batman wasn’t like The Joker. That even when he was subjected to horrible mental anguish would not stoop to his level and start murdering people. That his willpower and commitment to his code is too strong for that. It’s why Under the Red Hood is such a good story. When that Robin comes back as the Red Hood he’s angry at Batman for not having killed Joker for what he did. Snyder’s Batman is an anomaly in this regard. A mentally weak version of the character who allowed his enemies to break him. The fact that the Joker is still alive in his world makes no sense at all considering that Batfleck has showed no problem killing nameless goons. He’s a bad Batman and not representative of the character as he should be.

@@DovahFett there have been countless good versions of batman that have killed and/or have suffered this anomaly. The canon batman isn't the only batman in the multiverse, and almost every batman that has gone rogue has been appreciated. BvS is no different. It follows the same formula as every non-canon bat - robin gets murdered, batman succumbs to the grief, loses his willpower, starts murdering criminals, and this is worsened by Gotham being Gotham and never supporting him. Same old formula that has worked for over 50 years. Only reason BvS wasn't liked was because people were EXPECTING canon bat but BvS was more wild. Now BvS can't be blamed for the audiences' fictional expectations. We all knew what we were getting into. Despite that the movie was reasonably colic accurate in terms of the fights and amalgamation of various storylines. The batman that we got in JL Snyder was probably the most comic accurate version we've ever gotten or will ever get. It got shot down all because people couldn't handle batman killing on big screen when they've happily accepted it in comics and in animated. Which is shameful of the fanbase of what is probably the oldest and most diverse comic superhero ever.

i *AM* the peace

Except I don't think he was a warrior before, I know in the other versions he was like a librarian or something, and a peace talker, but I I don't think we heard what he used to be in the movies

Technically if you see in most story timelines, he's actually a librarian back in cybertron, hence the fact he has so much knowledge on so many artifacts from cybertron

Sorry if I misrepresented my point. In normal canon, Optimus was a librarian (or similar, depends on the canon), but he then by necessity became a warrior. After the majority of the fighting and wars on Cybertron, Earth by comparison was less of a battlefield (See the difference between the fighting in the Cybertron scene in Bumblebee vs the fighting in the first Transformers movie). So he was able to become accustomed to returning to his original state as a peaceful being. But then by the time referenced in my original comment, he's reverting to his ways of being a warrior again as he fights very similarly to how he did in Bumblebee. Remember, he wasn't being merciful then, he was just smoking people left and right. (You could see his life path as Librarian>Warrior>Peacekeeper>Warrior) My main point was that he wanted to see Earth as a chance for a new start, a different way of doing things. Hence why he would show mercy to the Decepticons at times and even try to reason with them. However, the shift in his personality that some call psychotic would seem to be just an acceptance that the Decepticons only want war, so he's going to give it to them. TLDR; He was a librarian before a warrior, but he became peacemaker/keeper on Earth, only to return to being a warrior

Spot on

@@Staurcomb serious question, is a live-action transformers movie still live-action if there are no humans in it to interact with them (even as background props) or is it just a animated movie even if the backdrops are irl locations?

A lot of it is probably due to the limitations they had to have on screentime for the Transformers due to how expensive rendering and animating them was.

@@Staurcomb to be fair they had to render everything (animals and environments) in the lion king as authentic to the real thing as possible. the cybertron scene in the bumblebee movie (as well as the cliffjumper execution scene) feels rather off imo.

The throughline for Optimus becoming a cynic / merciless "psycho" across all the movies is the fact that Optimus and the Autobots landed in the USA. That's literally it. They landed in the US, learmed everything from an Americentric internet, worked with strictly American soldiers to "save the day" in multiple movies, and went so far as to further American interests overseas on their off time and "go rogue" to help the country play world police as Optimus narrates in the beginning of Revenge of the Fallen and Dark of the Moon. The interspecies relations with the USA making Optimus more amenable to doing war crimes even though he's "supposed to be the good guy" is funny as fuck unless you're a super-de-duper patriot that thinks the USA has never done anything wrong ever because "they're supposed to be the good guys". Every movie after the first one spends its time sorta fellating the military and the US's accomplishments and then shows the audience in the following movie that working with the US meant jack shit for Optimus's morals and the loyalty humans in general have towards the Autobots, and in fact made his morals and the interspecies relations much worse than if they'd never interacted at all. This culminates in Age of Extinction where the US government has no idea that the CIA is blasting Autobots to smithereens, a regular person can't tell the difference between an Autobot and a Decepticon, and Stanley Tucci uses Megatron's head to model a new Transformer and wonders why the result (Galvatron) looks so evil.

I agree about the underwritten potential these movies have. However, I wonder how much of the blame can really fall on the writers and how much is because of budget. A single frame of these robots is no doubt unbelievably expensive, thus can reduce how much the robots can carry the story themselves. Maybe if they cut back on the world ending CG spectacles in every film, they would have enough money to focus on more character driven scenes with the robots where things aren't blowing up.

Exactly. I understand people being upset with that scene. But they need to remember this isn't IDW Megatron. A flawed person driven to violence by an oppressive government. No, he's just Robo Hitler. He may have helped you defeat a mutual enemy, but you still need to kill him.

@@zuttoaragi8349 Yeah. As a kid I just thought to myself: “Well, it makes sense, he could betray Optimus”. I know that the original plan was for them to make a truce though, it would have been interesting

🌌☄️✨😌Fax's Man😌✨☄️🌌 People Just Don't All the Secrets Abt the Bayverse That Made It Very Mysterious. And Then They Get the Middle Finger Flipped Upon Them For Being An Embarrassing Short End of the Stick Fool. They Fck Talk Abt It But Not Explanation For Little Things they Find In the Movies without Doing Research. And then I Throw My Head Back And Laugh Because Of How Brainless They Are And They Can't Even Find The Answers. It's Like Having To Find Someone's Car Keys And It's Right In Their Faces. Theroymus AKA Trans Theories Is The Goat On Doing Amazing Stuff Like This.

right? everywhere i go everyone calls him a psycho because he kills his enemies brutally, not knowing how durable cybertronians are

​@@orhandalegend no one brings up now comically evil deceptacons are

​​@@orhandalegend) Optimus' swords cut through Cybertronians like butter, so no, Cybertronians are not too durable for him. 2) The problem is not that he simply kills them brutally. It's that it is needlessly brutal and the kills end up being much flashy and aggressive than quick and effective and also that, while delivering those kills, he also throws one-liners like an 80s/90s anti-hero or just screams "DIE!".

I think it's just rationalizing crappy writing and character development.

Hint hints *scourge*

He's this same way in the G1 Comics. The entire mission to Earth was a suicide ploy to lure Megatron away from Cybertron to give the Autobots a chance. G1 Optimus intended to die when the Ark went down

@@heraldofoblivion499 With the bay movies behind us I really hope they try making them interestingly written characters like in every other media

@@COrraThereal0ne Itd be cool if it were Transformers actually has a cool legacy to play multiverse with

​@@COrraThereal0ne Can't wait to see Nemesis Prime/Scourge return in RoTB.

I once watched a theory where the autobots were actually kinda asshats and the deceptions just wanna go home. Firstly the autobots teach humans the way of taking down a transformer(limb from limb practically), while deceptions usually try to go for the spark for the fastest kill. In bayverse Optimus was a crusader shown in AOE and the traps on the ship show how cruel he might have been. Plus the autobots on their own are quite violent and if not given something to fight they’ll try to kill eachother (again drift and bee in AOE). And finally even megatron when he saw cybertron saved he was ready to give up fighting(plus we can’t ignore prime ripping his face off after being saved).

It’s my favorite fight

If only we had good writing to actually make us taste this development of character, instead we have to resort to youtubers fixing the mess they did with this franchise

Bay’s just chilling with an awkward smile thinking to himself “I never thought about the forest fight and Prime’s decent to madness, we just didn’t have any writers so all I could do is action.”

I would still pay a lot for a G-1 OP figure with a voice function that has just one line. "I'll KILL YOU!!"" 😂😂 When he said that to Cade after he brought him out of stasis I absolutely lost it.😂😂 I knew you couldn't save these movies anymore and that Prime, was literally a different character. Of all the things Prime would NEVER say, I'm pretty sure that's #1. Just sayin'. 😂😂

i guess that’s what death does to a person

Dipped in mental health? Or, for the first time ever, realized the realities of war & what must be done?

@@KevinJohnson-cv2no Or having now experienced the US, realized that we are all insane here and he just decided to go with the flow.

@@shawndashno6022 cry about it boomer, Bayverse Optimus is better than G1 Optimus. You don’t understand bayverse Optimus Prime

Yes but well takes away why Optimus is a Prime in the first place, and that the movies sorely lack. Is that Optimus was given the matrix of leadership(outside of the bay verse) not to just save Cybertron, but to reunite the cybertronians. Even though the decepticons adopted the (kill your enemies as fast as possible) and were ruthlessly brutal, it wasn’t the autobots code because how else could you distinguish anyone anymore if you kill everything that’s against them. Which in the end, doesn’t unite Cybertron, and probably would have sped up the destruction of Cybertron if Optimus started using Omega Supreme and Fortress Maximus to blow out every city the Decepticons were in.

The scene was raw but watching Megs get treated like any other Con grunt is hard to see lol. Would love to see full-power TF1 Megs vs Savage Prime

​@Dan Pham doesn't matter he's protecting his people and a whole ass planet of people he shouldn't need to lmao " take away why he's a prime" lmao so take away honor loyalty respect dedication everything that made most primes right😂😂😂😂

​@Dan Pham and yes he became brutal but not psychotic dumbass kids need to relearn real definitions of words rather than trying to give words new meaning he simply had to change auto code because he became fully aware deceptions don't give 2 fucks or shiits about automotive human or deception life so just like any fucking soldier would do he puts the righteous motto away and does what needs to be done to insure safety a psycho is someone who has truly lost their damn mind and and either has murderous urges or urges to torture victims amonst others optimus never kills without good reason therefore not phsyco he's fully aware of what he has to do

@@smiaza1357 "his people" should include all cybertronians, that's just fact. Most primes did not have honor/loyalty/otherbullshit idolatry. There were other primes since the original 13, but they did not have the blessings of the matrix of leadership, also that some were the ones who built the bullshit autocracy in Cybertron that led up to the fuel for dissatisfaction/oppression of the working class, (I.E. Nominus Prime from IDW) You have some mistaken idea that all "primes" have these characterizations, as if they are perfect. Transformers 3 almost tried to explore corrupt primes, so I'll cheer only once for them because of that.

Agreed

I agree, and it's what I love about the Bayverse films. It's sadly quite lacking in ROTB, but I hope that changes!

He needs to change name then Thats not really optimus Thats more nova prime who came before optimus but went missing. My side above all species/violent against all but friends

@@xxEvangelineRxxROTB is part of the reboot to the franchise so it makes sense he isn’t completely unhinged yet and by the end is when he appreciated humanity more so I’m sure in the future if they stay true to his character then he’ll become murderous again

Just don't do anything that can trigger his PTSD.

Yea this gen is soft

@@tekkadawn6685 stop crying

​​@@tekkadawn6685hat is blud waffling on about?

@@tekkadawn6685What are you talking about?

Yooo trans, I guess I’m first but jeez for 5 days this comment is underrated.

Bayverse man is here

I guess we already have a Bayverse fans chat room.

I personally thought that since Optimus’ spark got damaged like Igor’s I believed that that took a massive hit to his psyche and made him more violent

Yup

The guys over seas ain't keeping me safe, I live in another country. So fuck the US military and their murderous, oil-crazed ''service''.

the "guys over seas" fought and died for oil barons' profits.

@@priyapepsiThere was also a time they still fought for the people of their countries (world wars).

True, why should it be any different for Optimus, he must have his demons too

@@gtvn2775 That was half a century ago, the people who did the fighting are retired. The people in service now haven't fought in any worthwhile war.

Ironically, Batman's arguably more crazy because he hasn't stopped villains like the killer clown for good. He doesn't even have to kill them. Just borrow Superman's Phantom Zone projector for a while!

No, he's a sociopathic war criminal

@@johnnygyro2295 facts

Punisher, peacemaker, sometimes Batman, sometimes superman, and many others are way way crazier than Optimus ever was

​@John Morgan Batman doesn't do it because he knows it's not his job to be an executioner, it's the LAW's job You should be blaming the legal system that hasn't given Joker the death penalty a hundred times over

Very good song. They used it in one of the trailers for The Last Knight

Yeah from my understanding he came to the understanding that the decepeticons will not stop with one, one human life, one planet, one solar system, one galaxy. Optimus is still good shown by him siding with humanity and him believing in everyones freedom is a right in AOE

What is the song in the background?

@@impa2787 Do You Realise by Ursine Vulpine

Part of what made Optimus Prime a great character and leader was that he didn’t succumb to those impulses and maintained his morality. I know today’s audiences have been conditioned to detest idealized heroes, but maybe that’s part of why the world is so screwed up.

Makes you think, behind the scenes there was a semblance of good writing in spots, but the direction of Michael Bay obviously pulls it in one way or another.

Megatron was too fat to keep up with prime sooo

⁠@@Fatal_error_sans3RR0RThat’s wild asf, that ain’t Megatron, that’s Michigan 😭

He's 9 million years old

What development did Sam have?

@@giba687 hmm let's see he developed the ability to scream for optimus more and uh yeah die offscreen to lockdown

@@Theboredgod Oh yes his screams in t3 were quite impressive. Remember when he wanted to get in the nest facility and the guards stopped him at the door; so he screamed for Bumblebee instead of screaming for Optimus? That was something else.

I agree, but I would like to add that it's easier to find faults and repair them in something premade than it is to create something new and ensure it works right out the door.

Exactly I think everyone especially g1 fans thinks optimus has to be this super predictable stone of a character that never changes/shifts in any way, tfp and movie optimus pre age of extinction/last knight are my favorite versions of the character because their character changes and involve throughout their respective series

People tend to ignore how influential hugely the movies actually where for the franchise also the people that say TFP Optimus was the best since G1 really need to start reading comics its embarrassing

I believe that is the same TFP episode where Optimus reprimands Arcee for how she acted when she found out that Bulkhead and Ratchet had helped Starscream, I believe he said something along the lines of not condoning the termination of any defenseless individual or something like that, what right does he have to say anything when he turns right around and attempts to do the same thing. Its like Arcee does not have a right to feel that way, but he does, I really do not like that version of Optimus because of little things like that.

No one batted an eye in the 86 movie when he was about to execute megatron, I recall Optimus making fun of megatron for asking for mercy

That's a great point and I totally respect your opinion but if I may I always thought the turning point in TFP was great because if you look at I think a few episodes before the season 1 finale Megatron hits Bumblebee with some sort of dark energon weapon but Raph was with Bumblebee at the time so when Bumblebee got hit so did Raph so when Bumblebee returned to the base looking for help for Raphs pretty bad condition I always thought that was moment that clicked to Optimus like if this is what Megatron is willing to do to a human kid what will he do to the rest of the people of earth and all of the people I care about I gotta put him down before something horrible happens. Idk that was always my thinking on things

I heard it mentioned best where the first movie was meant to be "a disaster movie with giant robots". The Bayverse Decepticons are less a ragtag group of misfits that started for something good and went crazy, and just a bunch of psychopaths that love killing, destroying, and bullying. So fighting them as if they're moral equals that can be reasoned with is only going to get you killed.

G1 decepticons: lets get energon to conquer cybertron Bay decepticons: lets explode a Bank, because why not?

@@shawerful5209 I'm referring to the first 3 movies only

he died in the 1v3 in the forest

Barely survived? Bro ya boi died

@@langleysenterprise5134 did we not see the movie? He died getting backstabbed but he survived the 1v3

@@Talking_Ben he died after the 1v3

@@eunsteddi3136 bruh

His way of killing Scourge really makes me think they might start down that route. I mean, a Prime no longer holding back, one pushes too far, is an insane idea, and having another “evil Optimus” story line would be cool, especially if they introduce Hot Rod before that to have a Rodimus hint.

I agree - when I first saw it, I was shocked that Prime would do such a thing to the Fallen, it felt OOC at the time, but I now see it in a different light. He doesn't want to act 'weak' anymore, he wants to show his enemies that he means business

🌌☄️👽✨💗Same :D💗✨🤖☄️🌌

budget constraints. not even paramount can fund a show that's more than 90% cgi

if they adapt Meg's arc from IDW, it'll serve as a pretty good foil to Bayverse Optimus I feel like. Megatron grew tired of all the fighting as time went on and he observed his own failures pile up, eventually choosing to just outright stop fighting. meanwhile Optimus grew frustrated at his failures, and became angrier and more ruthless to his enemies

@@notverypog They can, can you imagine NOT having to pay for stars to show their face ? That would take a huge chunk of the budget on making the movie. Plus a TF movie with no Humans would be absolute gold for Paramount.

​@@notverypogThey dont have to do hyper realistic cgi they can just do what TFP did

If it means retconning AoE and TLK (since they don’t line-up with the comics), then I’m cool with it

Except that when offered the chance to end the war, to put down their arms and work as one people. He decides to just kill Megatron and keep fighting the Decepticons. At this point Optimus is basically saying that he has to kill every single decepticon out there for the war to be over for him. And probably not even then.

You really believed that, did you?

Thanks

Thanks man!

I do the same thing if on Xbox.

I do the same thing. I watch KZfaq on PS and if I want to write a comment I just grab my phone and start typing.

my thought exactly with lockdown, they want transformers gone but hire one to do that like wtf that’s wild 🤦🏾‍♂️

@@ZBABYYYY The ends justifies the means!

Well than that sounds a little odd. And over done. The whole died and came back wrong trope

The spark contains the memories and "soul" of the cybertronians.

Except that was never hinted or implied to be the case and Optimus was already brutally killing his opponents before, plus the Matrix of Leadership healed him completely, including his spark.

I mean, I see what you're getting at, but then that undermines Optimus' character as a whole. Instead of being an honorable person forced into the frenzy of battle, he's just some unchanging, glitching robot.

​@@STINGERY234explain then how Galvitron was made, considering humans only had Megatrons head, and had difficulty stopping Megatron trying to create a body for himself Megatrons matrix wasn't in his head, considering we seen Sam push the spark into Megatrons chest