Divine Foreknowledge - One Accord Ep. 019

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In this conversation, the hosts discuss the topic of divine foreknowledge.
They explore extreme views on the subject, such as the belief that God predetermined everything and the belief that God does not have rigid control over the universe.
They also discuss a balanced view that attempts to reconcile God's sovereignty and human free will while maintaining God's perfect omniscience.
The hosts delve into passages that suggest a faster pathway to God's purposes and the tension between God's sovereignty and human freedom. They also examine the interpretation of 2 Peter 3:12. This part of the conversation explores the concepts of foreknowledge and omniscience, and how they relate to God's existence in time.
The speakers discuss different definitions of foreknowledge and omniscience, including the relational aspect of foreknowledge and the eternality of God's knowledge. They also examine the interpretation of Genesis 22:12 and the definition of knowledge as justified true belief.
The speakers conclude that God's foreknowledge is not about predestining individuals, but about entering into a covenant relationship with believers.
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Timestamps
00:00 - Setting the Stage
02:16 - Extreme Views on Divine Foreknowledge
08:25 - The Balanced View of God's Control
18:17 - God's Predestination and Election
20:55 - The Tension Between God's Sovereignty and Omniscience and Human Freedom
28:11 - Passages that Suggest a Faster Pathway to God's Purposes
31:45 - Interpreting 2 Peter 3:12
44:48 - Knowledge, Foreknowledge, and Omniscience
53:09 - The Eternality of God's Knowledge
56:02 - God's Relationship to Time
01:10:33 - The Definition of Knowledge
01:21:58 - Calvinistic sovereignty is too low?
01:22:58 - The Chess Analogy
01:26:10 - God's Knowledge of the Actual and Possible
01:37:46 - The Usage of 'Foreknowledge' in Scripture
01:44:32 - Before the Foundation of the World?
01:55:57 - Known by God?
01:59:37 - The Meaning of 'Foreknowledge' in Romans 8:29
02:02:51 - Winding Down and Foreshadowing Future Conversations
02:05:23 - See ya later!

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@gregmahler9506
@gregmahler9506 5 ай бұрын
I wrote this some time back but didn’t conclude anything. I do think it relates to this conversation. I have a knew idea to explain this as well that I will write in another post. Libertarian Freedom is defined as a person’s absolute control over the decisions and actions they make. Nothing external to the person is able to determine what they decide to do. So in an identical set of circumstances, a person with Libertarian Freedom would be able to choose differently since nothing prior to their decision determines what they will do, necessarily, since their choices are completely contingent and free. This definition leads to the inevitable conclusion that a person with Libertarian Freedom would be impossible to predict. For, in the same set of hypothetical circumstances, a person with LF could contingently choose A or not A. This would also make a person with LF impossible to make definite plans, since his will could arbitrarily change at any moment. Since God has omniscience and also since he planned things in advance (like the sacrifice of his son for the sins of the world), it would follow then that not even God himself has LF. So how could humans have it? However, let’s suppose God does have LF for a moment. We do then gain some explanatory power over some of the harder passages in the Bible. I’m thinking of the passages where God regrets, where God repents, and where God changes his mind. Let’s suppose God made a plan or decree in eternity past and then created the world through the Big Bang. Then let’s suppose that since he has LF, at some point along the line of his decree, God makes a different choice than he had decreed. From that point onward, the entire world is now different than he had envisioned at the start. This would give some explanatory power to the verses that describe God as regretting making mankind. Maybe in the eternal decree God had decided not to make mankind and then in His Providence post-creation, made a last minute different choice to make mankind. And we see regret expressed over that choice that is genuine. This also helps in some way with explaining how God could change his mind. If he has LF, then he would be able to plan to do one thing and then change his mind at the last second and do something different, again aligning with the biblical account. One of the implications of this view, that God seems to have LF, is that God’s decree in eternity past, as usually thought of by theologians, is not true. There was no eternal decree in the sense of a definite world of sequential events that are set in stone prior to creation. At least not a necessary decree. At best, if there was a divine decree, every event was contingent on God and not settled until it took place in real time. The other implication is that God himself is not determined by the decree. Post-creation, He is not on autopilot and just going through the motions like a movie already plotted out. Rather there can be real change in Providence that was not foreseen in Eternity Past since a new choice could be made that permanently alters the world, not able to be known pre-creation. Recall that it is impossible to know what a person with LF would do beforehand since they can choose A or not A. If enough of these dissenting choices get made by God that don’t align to the original decree he made, then we end up having a world that looks nothing like God first envisioned it. Perhaps God can even be surprised by a choice he makes that he didn’t see coming. Perhaps by creating the world, God had to have faith that it would turn out like he planned, and as the world unfolded God came to realize things that were not possible for him before. Like regret, repentance, and even the changing of His mind. The implications of God having LF are astounding since he ends up being truly free and even malleable post-creation. Perhaps God desired to have this type of change in life, and wanted to take it to the extreme by becoming a man? By doing all of this, for the first time in His life, he was able to break free of the limitations of eternal static bliss, and experience a more fulfillling reality? Perhaps most of the world is going down exactly like God designed in the decree but little nuances and blips of flavor and spontaneity can arise that make the story more interesting. Maybe even the elect aren’t fully settled in the decree but there is room for God to change his mind? Or maybe all those choices that God makes differently from the eternal decree end up having backend consequences that change the specific makeup of who the elect are?
@theexaltedchrist7382
@theexaltedchrist7382 5 ай бұрын
Interesting. Thanks for sharing. This definitely is in the realm of the discussion from the video. We discussed in the video the "Extreme Free Will Position" as Norman Geisler articulated it in his book "Chosen But Free." That is probably the closest to what it seems like you're describing, although you have the additional caveat that even God's Libertarian Freedom would make it possible for God to change over time. My assumption is that this type of language and thinking is fairly prominent in the Open Theism or Process Theology camps. I would not put myself in either of those groups. I think this line of thinking is also fairly prevalent in the philosophy departments (that's where I came from). The God of the philosophers often defines terms logically rather than theologically. This is where ideas of how atemporality, eternality, and epistemology blend together. We find ourselves at the mercy of logical inferences and conclusions that may or may not necessarily follow and go well beyond what the Bible states. Although I only read through your comment once (I'm sure I could glean more by reading it a few more times), I would say that your thoughts MAY follow if God (and His creatures) have freedom the way you defined it. However, I think the Bible is direct in telling us that God is not free to act in ways that are contrary to His character and nature. Thus, I would reject the idea that God is free in the sense you described above. Speculative theology and philosophy like to distill God to His characteristics. God is all-powerful, so He can do anything and everything. That is not inherently illogical, but it is unbiblical. The true and living God, the God of the Bible, CANNOT do anything and everything. For example, God cannot lie (Titus 1:2; Hebrews 6:18; Numbers 23:19). God cannot change His mind (Numbers 23:19). God cannot sin or do wrong (Deuteronomy 32:4). God cannot be tempted by evil nor does He Himself test anyone (James 1:13). God cannot change (Malachi 3:6). God can do all things and has all power, but this is restricted to His nature. God cannot cause Himself to not exist, for example, because God IS. As with omnipotence, we can easily mingle philosophical abstractions and conclusions with biblical statements. God is "all-knowing" seems straightforward. However, we don't all understand this phrase the same way. While I do affirm that people can do otherwise than they do (1 Corinthians 10:13; Romans 6; and so on), I would reject the idea that we are free in the Libertarian sense you described above. I'm not pushing back on your logic but on the fact that I don't think the view fits with what the Bible teaches or with human experience in general. God is bound by His character and nature. We, too, are bound, in some sense, by our nature and other physical constraints. It may be logically possible that I go outside and roll down a hill... but I'm never going to do that on purpose. I may go to a restaurant that I'm allowed to order fish at... but again, I would never order fish on purpose. My actions and choices are limited more than I believe your Libertarian Freedom view posits. In other words, human choices are more predictable than your view above presents. That's not saying human choices are easy for you and me to predict but I think we are easier to predict than we would be if we truly had the Libertarian Freedom you described. As a result, I think that there is a much narrower genuine decision tree before human beings than your model affirms. I don't think our choices are unlimited but most likely break down to (A or B), whereas A is God's will for us, and B is what we want to do. That seems to be what 1 Corinthians 10:13 says, also the two paths described by Romans 6:19, and so on. If it's not as simple as A or B, I do think it is closer to this smaller number for all decisions than it is to being truly unlimited. Even if it were (A or B or C or D or E) that would still be a lot less than (A or Not-A) which is essentially unlimited. We are free to choose within the limited options but not free to go "off the board" and choose something unexpected. (I'm really never going to order the fish. It's just not a genuine option for me, although it is a genuine option for many others.) While it is impossible for you and me to fully understand all the available choices, to know all the other factors (motivations, past experiences, true preferences, and so on), God does know all these things perfectly. Therefore, it is not impossible for Him to truly know what we will do and to predict and KNOW all human actions. The definition I provided in the video of knowledge as "justified true belief" shows that as long as God knows all the possible decisions (A or B or C) and we actually always choose one of those options, God always has perfect unlimited knowledge. Once choices become actual, God's knowledge (justified true belief) never changes, it just moves from "potential" to "actual." Since God is omniscient, He knows exactly how to bring about His ultimate ends and nothing we do could ever thwart or threaten that. However, who participates in the promises of God and how quickly His will is accomplished can certainly change in my view (and the passages I used to support that in the video were Genesis 22:12, Esther 4:14, the book of Jonah, and 2 Peter 3:11-12). However, since He did not preordain all human actions by His eternal decree (in my view), He is grieved and angered by our choices because they are harmful to what God has made. Sin is bad for us and leads only to death and wrath. God is compassionate toward all He has made, He has told us a better way, yet we persist in our foolishness. Even so, praise God that He is patient and kind, and He is causing all things to work together for good to those who love Him and who are called according to His purpose. Hallelujah! You mentioned another view you were going to share. I look forward to reading that one as well as what you wrote here. Thanks for the conversation. Grace and peace to you!
@gregmahler9506
@gregmahler9506 5 ай бұрын
@@theexaltedchrist7382 - Thank you for the lengthy reply! My view is that we do not have LF as I described but God himself might have it. But if He does have LF like I described, He would not be able to know what He himself would do beforehand until it takes place. He can know what we will do because we do not have LF. But he can't know what He Himself will do. As such, there would be no eternal decree in the normal sense theologians propose it, like a movie script with every single event pre-determed to take place as soon as God says, "Go!" So it's a different way to look at things indeed and may provide some answers to the "God regretted" passages or ones where He changes His mind. A God with LF as I described could change His mind, butits hard to see how a God with perfect foreknowledge could literally change His mind. If you have time, how does this work on your view?
@gregmahler9506
@gregmahler9506 5 ай бұрын
​ @theexaltedchrist7382 - here is a summary of the other point of view that I am pondering that may explain this quandary: I think the other plausible thing going on in the Old Testament is that it's the Son's viewpoint being expressed in the "regret" and "change mind" passages we see such as in Genesis 6 (PS: this also works for your passage about when YHWH said "Now I know" after Abraham was going to sacrifice Isaac). And if the Son is not omniscient, then it would make sense to see expressions from YHWH sounding like they are from a person who doesn't know all things. My view is that the Son is created by the Father, the first of his creative acts, and does not possess all of the attributes that the Father has such as being uncreated and omniscient. And so in the OT, it's Jesus himself trying to work with Israel to get them to a point where he wants them to be (expressed so well in his "Jerusalem, Jerusalem " lament recorded in the Gospels). So this s the reason for why YHWH appears this way at times in the OT. Jesus really did change his mind and really regretted. But these are not expressions that the Father shares. I argue for this position in much depth based upon several passages: 1.) God can mean a type or species of thing that is spiritual, uncreated, omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent, etc. 2.) God can also mean "a supreme power" or "one in a place of ultimate authority". Now in regards to the biblical arguments, I think that we have warrant in 3 places to suggest that the Son (the person) was created by the Father and so cannot possess the attributes of God in the #1 sense above. Here are the passages: “The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old; I was formed long ages ago, at the very beginning, when the world came to be. When there were no watery depths, I was given birth, when there were no springs overflowing with water; before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth, before he made the world or its fields or any of the dust of the earth. I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep, when he established the clouds above and fixed securely the fountains of the deep, when he gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command, and when he marked out the foundations of the earth. Then I was constantly at his side. I was filled with delight day after day, rejoicing always in his presence, rejoicing in his whole world and delighting in mankind.” - ‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭8‬:‭22‬-‭31‬ ‭NIV‬‬ Many people will just dismiss the above as poetry, personifying “wisdom” but in light of Christ (whom Paul teaches in 1 Corinthians 1 is “the wisdom of God”) and in light of what it says at the latter part above, about whatever this thing is being present with God during creation, and added to the fact that Jesus taught that the scriptures spoke about him in many places….. that this entire part of Proverbs is about Jesus. The person. In the passage, you will see that Jesus is formed as the first act that the Father did, before he made the world. And this aligns perfectly with John 1:1-2. Now some translations say "possessed me" in verse 22 instead of "created me" or "brought me forth". But the next verses describe this "act" as the first one God did, not a passive "having" but an active bringing forth at a point in time. A creative event. So I think the context proves that the phrase should not be "possessed me". Compare the ESV and you will get a sense of something off when you read verses 22-24 as if they don’t make sense together and there is a footnote for the word choice of “possessed”, stating it could mean “created”. The NASB2020 also chooses the word "created". If you look at many commentaries, they will talk about there being an issue if "logic" or "reason" or "wisdom” was a created thing since it would imply that God didn't possess it at first, but of course, I think they miss it entirely since it's actually about The Logos of John 1:1-3. Jesus. In most translations, this person with God in Proverbs 8 is called "a master workman" or "architect" heavily suggesting this entity having a role in what was being created as well (Let us make man in our likeness and our image). John 1:3 agrees. So it all fits! Much like Psalm 82 really impacted Michael Heiser and his work on "elohim", Proverbs 8:22-31 hit me like a ton of bricks once I began to believe it was about the Son. But there is more… I will end this section with a quote from towards the end of the Proverbs which I think is equally astounding in regards to what I said above: “Surely I am too stupid to be a man. I have not the understanding of a man. I have not learned wisdom, nor have I knowledge of the Holy One. Who has ascended to heaven and come down? Who has gathered the wind in his fists? Who has wrapped up the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is his son’s name? Surely you know!” - ‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭30‬:‭2‬-‭4‬ ‭ESV‬‬ Moving along, the second passage that shows the Son being created is: “The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.” - ‭‭Colossians‬ ‭1‬:‭15‬ ‭NIV‬‬ This verse, if paired with the Proverbs 8 passage, seems to agree that the Son (the person of Jesus) was the firstborn over all creation, meaning the first thing the Father God created external to himself. It says later on in the same context of Colossians “so that in all things, he might be preeminent”. It makes sense then, if the Son is preeminent in everything, he would also be the first created thing, or else this statement would be false (scripture cannot be broken!). But wait, there is more! The 3rd passage. Jesus describes himself to John, post-resurrection and while in heaven: “And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: ‘The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God’s creation.” - Revelation‬ ‭3‬:‭14‬ ‭ESV‬‬ Notice how Jesus says of himself “the beginning of God’s creation”? This is perfectly in line with the testimony of Proverbs 8 and Colossians 1 from above! The Son was the first created thing God, His Father, made, and then through and alongside the Son, the Father created everything else, making the Son preeminent to all things created, since he was the first created thing. I can't fit the entire essay I wrote on here, but that is the main biblical arguments I make. Essentially I believe the Son is God in the #2 sense but not the #1 sense and so am more Unitarian.
@theexaltedchrist7382
@theexaltedchrist7382 5 ай бұрын
We definitely differ on our view of the Son. I am a trinitarian. So, while your view may potentially resolve the apparent difficulties, I think the Bible reveals a very different nature and character of the Son: fully God. To me, the fully divine nature of Jesus as the uncreated true and living God is overwhelmingly the teaching of Scripture.
@gregmahler9506
@gregmahler9506 5 ай бұрын
@@theexaltedchrist7382 - I used to see it like you until I realized that I was saying “God” and meaning a list of attributes. And I read John 17:3 and could not square that with a Trinity idea. The Father is the only true God according to Jesus himself and so I can’t agree with the Trinity. I am open to whatever you see in my analysis of the passages I bring up in the above though because to me they clearly show the truth, even if it’s not easy to believe since most the entire church would be deceived then, since most are Trinitarian and most see it as a gatekeeper of salvation too. Anyhow, thanks for the convo! I know this one isn’t something most Christians are going to be able to interact with.
@gregmahler9506
@gregmahler9506 5 ай бұрын
@34:00 - this is not possible interpretation due to other texts like this: “The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent, because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead.”” ‭‭Acts‬ ‭17‬:‭30‬-‭31‬ ‭ESV‬‬ If the day is fixed, like Paul says, there is no way to hasten it or make it happen on another day. ““But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24‬:‭36‬ ‭ESV‬ Unless God’s knowledge of “the day” can change based upon the actions in the world then I would say that the fact that God has knowledge of the very hour it will takes place also rules out your interpretation there in 2 Peter. As for what Peter means there, I do not know, admitting-ly. Perhaps it is sort of like a desire for Jesus to come quickly like is expressed here: “The Spirit and the Bride say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who desires take the water of life without price. He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!” ‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22‬:‭17‬, ‭20‬ ‭ESV‬‬ Like a sense of “hurry Lord, we are ready for you”! Final point on this, in 2 Peter 3:14-15 it says "Therefore, beloved, since you are waiting for these things, be diligent to be found in him without spot or blemish, and at peace. And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him." The call to action here is to wait and be diligent to reform your walk and count the slowness of God's coming "as salvation" God is providing time for us to reach maturity before he comes. Paul talks about this in Romans 2 when he says: "Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed." And so I simply see no reason at all to think Peter had the idea that by being diligent about your walk with God and reforming it, this would have an impact in shortening the days before Jesus came back. Rather, Peter clearly means that you don't know when it is coming so be all the more ready for it and count any lengthy time as salvation, time for you to mature.
@theexaltedchrist7382
@theexaltedchrist7382 5 ай бұрын
I think you make fair points. I would have articulated it very similarly in the past. The word that Peter uses means "speed up." Even the supposed counter examples in the lexicons aren't really counter examples. All the word studies still lead to the same place ... somehow Christians can hasten the day by our conduct. If that's what the word means, then the "problems" of what we think other passages mean might require we assess whether we've misunderstood the other texts rather than thinking this one can't mean what it says, so it must mean something different. The model for knowledge suggested in the video says that knowledge is justified true belief. If no one knows the day or the hour, but only the Father, (as the text says), the day can be "fixed" in the sense that this is the end, and the Father can know it because He has justified true belief about the pathways to it. All the various disjunctives (A or B)'s are true since one of the pathways will be traveled to that great and terrible day. God will bring about that day, and it seems Peter is simply telling us that it will be sooner if we take God at His word and do what He says. While it may be true that the verses you cited (Acts 17:30-31, Matthew 24:36, and so on) make the words Peter uses seem like they need to mean something else, what if we take the plain meaning of what Peter says and try to understand the verses you cited in light of what God revealed and inspired in 2 Peter 3:12? Who gets to decide which verses we read the other verses through? Ultimately, this is the difficulty with systematic theology. Where we choose to start, or which verses we choose to weigh more heavily, necessarily influences our ultimate conclusions. Thanks again for sharing your perspective. I appreciate the dialogue. In all these things, you may be correct -- so I am thankful to view things from different angles. My goal, as I'm sure you share, is to understand the truth and conform my understanding to what God has said. My goal is not to conform the Scriptures to my preconceived system(s).
@gregmahler9506
@gregmahler9506 5 ай бұрын
@@theexaltedchrist7382 - let’s say that I start with your meaning of 2 Peter there in that if we reform our acts and repent that we can make change the day Jesus returns to a sooner date. I then try to assess this idea in line with Paul’s comments on Acts 17 where he says that God has “fixed a day”. This is a contradiction in my view. And so we have to look at it and try to solve it. I think my method and exegesis make the better harmonization. Can you think of a way that the day Jesus comes back is “fixed” but also “contingent”? If not then I think you have your answer.
@gregmahler9506
@gregmahler9506 5 ай бұрын
@@theexaltedchrist7382- I can’t tell if my other reply went through or not. But here is the other point I will make. Let’s say 1 person follows Peter’s words. Do you believe the day the Jesus returns was changed by that 1 person following Peter’s words? My guess is yes. And so the more people that follow Peter’s words, the closer and closer the day get’s and it keep changing the more and more people who do. In what sense then can we truly believe Paul that the day is fixed? What is the Greek word for fixed and can it mean anything close to “not fixed” or “contingent”?
@theexaltedchrist7382
@theexaltedchrist7382 5 ай бұрын
Another fair question. Thanks. The Greek word used in Acts 17:31, which says that God has "fixed" or "set" or "established" a day for judging the world need not be interpreted as rigidly as you are saying. There is no necessary contradiction between saying God has established that the end will come on a Day of Judgment and that Peter says, if we obey God, we will arrive at that Day sooner than if we don't take God seriously. The same word used in Acts 17:31 appears more than 150 times in the New Testament. The rigidity that many say is necessary -- "God ordained an exact time and hour" - is not required by the usage in the New Testament elsewhere or the context of Acts 17. It doesn't say God specified a date on the calendar. It says He has established a day which He will judge the world in righteousness. You may interpret that more rigidly but the word itself does not require such a rigid meaning. In fact, interpreting Acts 17:31 (and the other passages) this way is much more natural to the actual words used than it is to force 2 Peter 3:12 to mean something other than "hasten" or "speed up." In my opinion, that is a much harder case to make based on the actual words and their usage all throughout Scripture.
@gregmahler9506
@gregmahler9506 5 ай бұрын
@@theexaltedchrist7382 - yeah I think at the end of the day, I’m very certain that this idea you have about 2 Peter and “hastening” is eisegesis. There is not a single bit of evidence that this is something Peter or any of our other Apostles believed or taught. There is also not a single bit of other corroborating testimony from the scripture for this idea and the things I brought up, are seemingly against this eisegesis. I see that you seem to hold onto the idea perhaps because it helps you understand other parts of scripture but I see no reason to do so and I think it’s actually an abuse of the text. And I say that also knowing you are a smart man who cares about this a great deal. Even if you are right, since God has foreknowledge, the day is fixed either way. The day does not get closer since God already knows who is going to follow Peter’s words and so already accounted for that. It’s not like God sets the day to January 5th, 2035 and after X people do X, he changes it to January 4th. Rather, he set the day already factoring in the X factors. Anyways this is my last reply on this because I don’t see it as something anyone should even be arguing about since, I can’t even see a reason it would be helpful, not to mention it seems very ad hoc, as I’ve been saying. Grace and peace be unto you!
@briansmith7383
@briansmith7383 5 ай бұрын
Multiverse and God's contemplation of it is total speculation amd entirely unbiblical. Talk about going beyond the text....yikes.
@theexaltedchrist7382
@theexaltedchrist7382 5 ай бұрын
Yep. A lot of speculation has gone into attempting to reconcile the seeming friction between God's sovereignty, His perfect foreknowledge, and the appearance that humans are free (in some sense) to act and are responsible for their choices. Can things be different than they are? If so, does that mean God could be wrong? If He couldn't be wrong, and things are unchangeable, in what sense are we "free" and/or responsible? These types of questions have resulted in many speculations and "just-so" explanations. Speculating that God "looked" through all the possible worlds and then created the one that results in the greatest possible good checks off many of the boxes for a lot of people. However, it still doesn't come close to answering (to me, anyway) why it would be that God is then grieved, angry, and so on when interacting with His creation if those speculative definitions of foreknowledge and sovereignty are correct. Seems God would be nothing but pleased knowing that He chose to create the best possible world of all the possible options. Did you find my explanation to be more biblical which I advocated for in the video? Or do you think I'm being just as speculative and unbiblical?
@briansmith7383
@briansmith7383 5 ай бұрын
Hadn't finished yet. I'll keep listening
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