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DIY Beer Can Windscreen

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ColoradoCamper

ColoradoCamper

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A tutorial for making a DIY beer can wind screen so you can have the coolest windscreen in camp for your alcohol stove. All you will need is some basic household tools and a few empty beer cans. I have used these wind screens for the past 4-5 years and they work extremely well and are sure to get some attention at the campsite.

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@pamelaklemp5615
@pamelaklemp5615 4 жыл бұрын
Dang, I'll never look at aluminum cans in the same way again 😂👍 This is a brilliant instructional video! Can't wait to try it. I think this would make a CRAZY GOOD gift for my husband for Father's Day! I will make one for myself out of a coffee tin -- nothing says "breakfast" better than your first cup of "Joe" complete with a picture of your coffee on it. Cool stuff, thanks!
@lornesmith9068
@lornesmith9068 8 жыл бұрын
Very slick! Thanks for posting this. I just happen to have a dozen wind screens chilling in my fridge!
@ColoradoCamper
@ColoradoCamper 8 жыл бұрын
Emptying the cans is the best part of the build process!
@PaleoHikerMD
@PaleoHikerMD 8 жыл бұрын
I have used a DIY stand that I made out of some aluminum ducting for years, and I finally put it away after I made one like yours, thanks for the tutorial! Ok, so I only saved 0.15 oz...BUT I like the way it functions much better and it is easier to store because it rolls so easily. Awesome, awesome design man! Had mine build in around 10 minutes after watching the video :)
@ColoradoCamper
@ColoradoCamper 8 жыл бұрын
+PaleoHikerMD Great,I am glad you like the new windscreen!
@bereantrb
@bereantrb 5 жыл бұрын
I like this design. Regarding wind blowing the screen, I like to keep a couple of shepard's hook stakes in my kit handy to anchor the screen if needed. Thanks for posting this.
@newerahiker9373
@newerahiker9373 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!!! I am a 2% owner of a microbrewery in Michigan (Unruly Brewing Company). But we do no have cans yet!!! So I made a windscreen using Odd Side Ales Citra Pale Ale, Right Brain Brewery's CEO Stout and Monster Energy Drink's Rob Gronkowski cans. They work GREAT and are much lighter than other options and sturdier than aluminum foil. Keep making videos and thank you!
@ColoradoCamper
@ColoradoCamper 8 жыл бұрын
+New Era Hiker Thanks for the kind words! Yeah a few years ago there were only a handful of microbreweries using cans, now it seems like there are just as many cans as bottles. I'm happy because cans are much easier to take camping!
@nathansharp3193
@nathansharp3193 3 жыл бұрын
I've noticed when making my clean cut with scissors that it is very important to cut the part of the can facing me when it's held in my left hand. I tried a few times cutting the far side and the cut isn't nearly as good. The way you do it in the video is exactly how I do it now. I'm putting this comment here to help anyone struggling with getting clean cuts. It makes a big difference to cut in the correct direction. It's counterintuitive because you cut with the scissors pointed at your palm and the sharp can scraps curling toward you. Just wear a hardhat while you're doing it and you should be alright [joke]. I would SERIOUSLY recommend wearing eye protection when cutting the cans, I've seen little slivers fly out when I cut. If one of those gets in an eyeball it would be really bad.
@Adam-G777
@Adam-G777 2 жыл бұрын
I love this awesome advice regarding cutting, especially as yoyr surname is Sharp. 😀👍👌
@pondlife1952
@pondlife1952 3 жыл бұрын
So simple and yet, so effective. Thanks. Beer - Guinness Irish Stout works really well too...
@willieskins54
@willieskins54 9 жыл бұрын
Just a great instructional video ! I'm buying a six pack tomorrow and starting my windscreen the following day ! I was turned on to your channel by watching a video of Andy Timinsky......now I subscribe to both. Living here in Florida I am so envious of you hiking options in CO. Keep up the good work and thanks.
@ColoradoCamper
@ColoradoCamper 9 жыл бұрын
willieskins54 Thanks for watching, and good luck with your windscreen build! Yeah, I am pretty fortunate to have access to such a variety of incredible wilderness to enjoy.
@denniskuenze659
@denniskuenze659 6 жыл бұрын
Another great idea. Thanks for sharing it. I have been using baking pans for my wind screens but after watching this I'm going to switch to beer or pop cans. Thanks again! I am enjoying your channel.
@debbiej.2168
@debbiej.2168 11 ай бұрын
Excellent video!
@timkeele8790
@timkeele8790 8 жыл бұрын
I use a similar windscreen using bottom of a foil roasting pan, cut into a single rectangle w/ bottom folded up 1/2" for a little more strength. (My GSI Glacier cup is only 3 and 11/16" diameter so I can use a single piece of aluminum.) I cut 3 triangular air holes on one quadrant of bottom, 3/4" wide/high each about 3/4" apart for air inflow. I join the ends exactly the way you do. I've never had a wind problem, but I can see the possibility it could arise. I like to size windscreen circumference to about 1/4" to 3/8" greater than cup circumference for a "potskirt" effect. windscreen is stored entirely within cup, as yours is. you/ve definitely got the "craft brew cool factor" working for you. mine works well, I'm sure yours works equally as well or better. I just happened to find a bunch of aluminum roasting pans of various types in my grocery store markdown bin and stocked up. a windscreen of this type coupled w/ a stove which is the potstand is the sweet setup. I'm still curious about what other people are doing, but completely content with this method. Hiram Cook mentioned you on one of his "watching water boil" vids. I'm glad he did. you've got some interesting things to say on a number of topics. Thanks.
@ColoradoCamper
@ColoradoCamper 8 жыл бұрын
I never though of using the roasting pans, but that sounds like a great solution. The beer cans look cool for sure, but they have a disadvantage because the cans have a plastic liner that can burn. If you don't have an adequate pot skirt as you describe, the cans can scorch and release some nasty smoke. Great idea with the roasting pans!
@danneukirch4486
@danneukirch4486 Жыл бұрын
Wow this is cool, definitely making one! Thanks.
@Throughthebit2000
@Throughthebit2000 6 жыл бұрын
If I had known about this back in the day, I would have several thousand miles of wind screen by now, could have stopped the wind from blowing through WY! Nice how to, thanks.
@ColoradoCamper
@ColoradoCamper 6 жыл бұрын
Throughthebit2000 Haha, stay tuned for my DIY tent video. Just have to drink a few more six packs... Thanks for watching!
@Throughthebit2000
@Throughthebit2000 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome! DIY ultra lite aluminum tent, that folds up into an Altoids tin. Can’t wait!
@cynthiamoon372
@cynthiamoon372 5 жыл бұрын
While in Vietnam (many years ago) I noticed the siding and roofing material used on some of the “upscale” huts. The locals invented a beer or soda can cutting, and crimping hand cranked device. The finished product looked like an advertisement, but it effectively sided and roofed the hut. While US troops were around, they had plenty of empty cans for their buildings.
@jamesthornton3339
@jamesthornton3339 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, I made a couple of these before I knew this video existed. Good job on explaining the process.
@Karenwhitepaints
@Karenwhitepaints Жыл бұрын
I was cringing a bit in the beginning when you were stabbing the can with you bare hands! Glad you were unscathed! I will try this!
@poutchiepuffin4266
@poutchiepuffin4266 Жыл бұрын
I use the cutter for acrylic. It's better one, and no need the scissor. I learn a lot from the channel of Hiram and Tetkoba. Have a look..
@jenocean824
@jenocean824 6 жыл бұрын
This is the best video on how to make a campstove windscreen. Thank you so much for posting it!
@ColoradoCamper
@ColoradoCamper 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for the kind words!
@dddhhh2612
@dddhhh2612 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. Very clear on the camera and the explanations. Plus you make it look so easy. I think I could actually do it. After viewing this, I'm going to go back to using an alcohol stove, which I had quit using because it was too slow heating up water. The wind screen will help keep the heat in and make the stove work more efficiently. Plus I noticed that you didn't yammer on about saving $20 for a store-bought windscreen, but of course that's another advantage of your setup . . .
@ColoradoCamper
@ColoradoCamper 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comment and the kind words. I have found that although alcohol heats slower than white gas or isobutane, I can get my alcohol stove lit faster than otehr stoves I have. So it has very low setup time. A canister stove is probably the only stove that will get me hot water faster than my alcohol stove setup, accounting for setup time and heating time to boil - that's if there isn't much wind. Canister stoves usually don't usually integrate a wind screen very easily. That, and the cost of their fuel, is my main gripe against canister stoves. Good luck with your build!
@planecrazyish
@planecrazyish 3 жыл бұрын
Very clever windscreen! Looking forward to making one of these.
@dimiblues
@dimiblues 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing! I made some myself and they work great. All the best, Dimitri
@ColoradoCamper
@ColoradoCamper 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I'm glad the video was helpful for you.
@atomneely
@atomneely 9 жыл бұрын
Just completed mine using some local beer cans from Athen's GA. Turned out way better than expected for my first go at it, and i'll be making another for my roommate (have to drink some more beers first ;)) Great idea and thanks for sharing!
@ColoradoCamper
@ColoradoCamper 9 жыл бұрын
Adam Neely Great to hear that the craft beer scene has made its way to Georgia! Do you guys have a fair number of options over there? I'm glad the video was useful and I'm glad you were successful on your first attempt. Drink on, and cheers.
@atomneely
@atomneely 9 жыл бұрын
While our craft beer scene out here isn't on the CO level (I went out there a few years ago specifically to try as many breweries as possible), its getting much better than it was even 3-4 years ago. We have a couple super stellar options, along with some great every day kind of breweries. If you ever see Orpheus Brewing or Creature Comforts Brewing I can highly recommend anything they make. Cheers!
@ColoradoCamper
@ColoradoCamper 9 жыл бұрын
Adam Neely Having some solid options is all you really need, and it's great to hear that. I've long since given up trying to sample all the local breweries here. Seems like more start up every month. But they take some time to get dialed in, so more often than not I end up drinking from the more reliable and time-tested breweries. Personally, I'm big on Left Hand, Avery, Oskar Blues, and Ska. New Belgium is Colorado's most famous, but I don't care for them much at all.
@3urkej4mes
@3urkej4mes 5 жыл бұрын
ColoradoCamper thanks to Charlie Papazian.
@emanueltarrasch2557
@emanueltarrasch2557 Жыл бұрын
Well Done ! A Kölsch on a Day is always okay ;-) Cheers from Germany.
@outdooraddict3655
@outdooraddict3655 2 жыл бұрын
Wonderful. Thanks
@brucekjesbo3378
@brucekjesbo3378 2 жыл бұрын
Genius. Best one I’ve seen by far.
@Seamus3051
@Seamus3051 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent tutorial .. Cheers.
@kawasakiz1ba463
@kawasakiz1ba463 7 жыл бұрын
Made one Colorado thanks for the tutorial:)
@danwolf8893
@danwolf8893 3 жыл бұрын
Great video... Thank you for the great information.
@sinfonianbarelytone9191
@sinfonianbarelytone9191 9 жыл бұрын
Great tutorial! I have seen dozens of others and this one is the closest to what I settled on. Mine uses two pop cans that are just separate and fit around my hardware cloth pot stand. I use the same stove as you and find it doesn't hold bigger pots well, thus the pot stand. I look forward to playing with the idea of folding and connecting them. Thanks!
@ColoradoCamper
@ColoradoCamper 9 жыл бұрын
***** Thank you for watching and sharing what you use.
@oldgoat8861
@oldgoat8861 3 жыл бұрын
I Like this....THANK YOU FOR VIDEO !!! I haven't been able to buy the screen that really fit my needs. I run 3 different stoves depending on my needs when I pack it.....Evernew/Trangia/Toaks. I bought so many screens from the DX to a simple Esbit stand I modified. Ultimately I want/need an outer ring like yours....I can than use it for my 900/500/350 Ti cups by just setting them flush on the stove, or raised on the Evernew or Lixada stands. Something that packs tight and close like this does too....not bulky. I use a tin lid under my stove though...acts as a well to dump fuel & ignite in freezing cold up here, plus a little stability too. I love my DX...BUT....works excellent yet its tall and bulky. There is no single answer DEPENDING ON NEEDS/Variables....yet basics of stove/stand/and windscreen is always necessary. THIS SCREEN appears to open options....yet keep everything basic in form. I must build it.
@praktika1082
@praktika1082 3 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna try this but instead of the opposite folds on the final edges, I might try super gluing thin magnetised strips and closing the shield that way.
@Adam-G777
@Adam-G777 2 жыл бұрын
It's a good idea, but I believe aluminium is not magnetic.
@praktika1082
@praktika1082 2 жыл бұрын
@@Adam-G777 well, glue magnets on both sheets.
@rmoran113
@rmoran113 9 жыл бұрын
So much for not drinking tonight!!! Thx.. I want to make one to hang from pot supports on my sp lite max canister stove...can't trap heat around canister...Sierra Nevada here I come! Cans that is....
@ColoradoCamper
@ColoradoCamper 9 жыл бұрын
Richard Moran Good luck! I hope it works for you. Worst case, you got to drink some tasty beers!
@kamalrex1
@kamalrex1 8 жыл бұрын
i made one after watched this video . Now finally i have cool and nice windscreen :) my main problem stove pods i dont want to use very simple pods my stoves .i am looking new designs .Thx for nice videos.
@ColoradoCamper
@ColoradoCamper 8 жыл бұрын
+kamalrex1 Thanks for watching
@adventureswithfrodo2721
@adventureswithfrodo2721 8 жыл бұрын
this worked great on today's outing. Thanks.
@donnajennings340
@donnajennings340 8 жыл бұрын
Great video, just what I was looking for. Thanks!
@ColoradoCamper
@ColoradoCamper 8 жыл бұрын
+Donna Jennings Glad you liked it, thank you.
@Iceberg050
@Iceberg050 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, thanks for the info.
@ColoradoCamper
@ColoradoCamper 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching!
@Gator-357
@Gator-357 10 ай бұрын
I use a razor to score around the can three or four goes and then push it apart for a nice clean and straight cut
@ColoradoAdventures
@ColoradoAdventures 7 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks for the knowledge.
@ColoradoCamper
@ColoradoCamper 7 жыл бұрын
Cheers, thanks for watching.
@BennyCFD
@BennyCFD 5 жыл бұрын
Pretty damn god build. The can lable give it an extra cool fun factor.
@ColoradoCamper
@ColoradoCamper 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it!
@AndyOnTheMountain
@AndyOnTheMountain 9 жыл бұрын
Your wind screen is way better looking then mine. Well guess that gives me a good excuse to drink a few cold tasty ones and make a new wind screen. I've been wanting to make a taller one for my MSR pocket rocket. Btw- I did a overnight at Gross Reservoir, great spot and thanks for the suggestion. -Andy
@ColoradoCamper
@ColoradoCamper 9 жыл бұрын
***** Be careful with using a full wind screen on a canister stove. If you get too much heat reflected inside the windscreen it can overheat the fuel tank. If you do try it, make it pretty large so it is a good distance away from the stove and fuel canister. I'm glad you enjoyed Gross Reservoir! It's probably the closest camping spot to the urban corridor and amazingly it doesn't seem to see as much traffic as some of the more well known wilderness areas nearby. For now it appears to be a bit of a secret, which is fine by me! Cheers, Andy.
@AndyOnTheMountain
@AndyOnTheMountain 9 жыл бұрын
I never would have thought of a canister over heating. Do you think 3 or 4 cans would be sufficient for the canister? Gross does seem like a bit of a secret considering I saw only 1 guy fishing... Maybe it was bc the weather was crappy and it was Sunday. Do you have any more good places on the front range that wouldn't be a bad drive from Denver? -Andy
@ColoradoCamper
@ColoradoCamper 9 жыл бұрын
***** Three cans sounds sufficient. Give that a try and boil up some water, then turn off the stove and feel the canister to check if it's warm. If so, maybe add a fourth can. At the Gross parking area, was the gate still closed to prevent vehicle traffic? That helps a lot on the whole front range - if you can walk into places that are still closed to vehicles for the winter season. But even during peak summer when I've camped at Gross, I've never seen more than 2-3 campsites occupied at once, and thankfully many of them are spread out enough that you wouldn't even know it if you had a neighbor. As far as good places on the front range, I do have some more ideas. I'll send you a PM, so check your KZfaq inbox.
@SouthWestWildernessScotland
@SouthWestWildernessScotland 7 жыл бұрын
I must have a go at making one myself. Atb Glenn.
@leanncollier9948
@leanncollier9948 5 жыл бұрын
Love this. I tried to make one out of an aluminum baking pan. It was too heavy, hard to fold, hard to pack, hard to roll. Never used it! I am scared of cutting myself but I'll try some leather gloves. Thanks so much.
@ColoradoCamper
@ColoradoCamper 5 жыл бұрын
Good luck with the project! Thanks for watching.
@Woodenarrows
@Woodenarrows 9 жыл бұрын
Good idea. I'm using roof flashing because like you, I find foil too light. However, my roof flashing is thick, stiff and heavier than needed. I think your idea is a perfect in between. I'll make a couple (different size pots for different outings). Thanks....
@ColoradoCamper
@ColoradoCamper 9 жыл бұрын
***** Thanks for the kind words. Like you mentioned, it works well to make one for each pot you frequently use. I was too cheap to pay for roof flashing, though I did consider it and I know a lot of people use it. Cheers.
@weatherstorms
@weatherstorms 5 жыл бұрын
Carbon felt also makes a great windscreen. You don't have to worry about getting burnt.
@ColoradoCamper
@ColoradoCamper 5 жыл бұрын
I agree that it has some advantages, but I have struggled with it being so lightweight that the wind blows it around and into my stove. I know some people use little wires to stake it in place, but I just have better luck with these cans.
@EattinThurs61
@EattinThurs61 Жыл бұрын
Great
@RedDogBushCraft
@RedDogBushCraft 8 жыл бұрын
Nice, I like it.
@danielmilloy7807
@danielmilloy7807 7 жыл бұрын
some fancy beer. noice!
@bnolsen
@bnolsen 9 жыл бұрын
This is good stuff. I made one of these using a couple of taller coconut juice cans I got from dollar tree. Very easy and quick to make and no crying if you screw it up. I don't suggest going the foil tape route, it's extremely easy to make without. Anyone find a less annoying way to initially cut the cans?
@jenocean824
@jenocean824 6 жыл бұрын
I'm going to try this using the coconut cans just because I think it would look cool! Thank you for that idea.
@alexwbanks70
@alexwbanks70 7 жыл бұрын
Making one... Thanks
@usernamemykel
@usernamemykel 6 жыл бұрын
Liked & subbed. Thanks!
@ColoradoCamper
@ColoradoCamper 6 жыл бұрын
I appreciate that, thank you.
@gijoe44
@gijoe44 5 жыл бұрын
Those stoves worked great for me on a table, but in the field, very unstable.
@rmoran113
@rmoran113 9 жыл бұрын
True that
@aparecidomiranda6637
@aparecidomiranda6637 3 жыл бұрын
👍👍🇧🇷 Parabéns
@develentsai3215
@develentsai3215 2 жыл бұрын
Will this melt if too close to the fire? Thanks I think no need to punch holes just clip 3 little binder at the bottom and lift a little bit up
@ColoradoCamper
@ColoradoCamper 2 жыл бұрын
I use it only with alcohol stoves, and I don’t believe alcohol burns hot enough to melt aluminum. The only thing I have noticed is that the flames might burn the plastic lining and the paint off, but after many uses the aluminum holds up just fine.
@develentsai3215
@develentsai3215 2 жыл бұрын
@@ColoradoCamper WOW! After 6 years you still replying! You should do more videos:) Thanks
@Jan_Itor
@Jan_Itor 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, but Kölsch? Greatings from Germany
@remyllebeau77
@remyllebeau77 5 жыл бұрын
Have you compared this with a caldera cone style in boil tests?
@Rick-wn5oh
@Rick-wn5oh 8 жыл бұрын
I have to hurry up and drink this six pack so I can get to work on this.
@ColoradoCamper
@ColoradoCamper 8 жыл бұрын
+Richard Lamoreaux I hope you didn't suffer too much, haha.
@electricreflectionsoutdoor7174
@electricreflectionsoutdoor7174 9 жыл бұрын
Dude, brilliant! I built a stove about a month ago and was having the same issues with aluminum foil and flashing so I had kind of given up on it. This looks perfect. I have read that alcohol doesn't burn well at higher elevations. Have you had any issues with this? I am concerned that the alcohol will burn down before the water boils. Do I just need to build a bigger stove maybe?
@ColoradoCamper
@ColoradoCamper 9 жыл бұрын
ElectricReflectionsOutdoors I've used my alcohol stoves at ~11,500 feet (tree line) and I've never had a problem with them boiling my water. The main concern with elevation is the cold and wind, and also typically you are boiling cold water. But I can get 2 cups of ice-cold water to a boil with ~3/4oz of fuel at high elevation, no problem. Just keep your fuel in your pocket to keep it warm and use a good windscreen and you'll be fine. This summer I hope to demonstrate an alcohol stove on top of a fourteener to prove that they can work just fine at high elevation. Cheers, and I'm glad you liked the video.
@baseballman74
@baseballman74 8 жыл бұрын
Any reason that you didn't make the screen tighter? More snug to your pot? What size is your pot? Thanks for your vid...
@ColoradoCamper
@ColoradoCamper 8 жыл бұрын
+baseballman74 Yes. There needs to be a gap around the pot for the stove exhaust to escape. That way air comes in through the holes at the bottom for the stove to burn, and the exhaust exits out around the pot. Also I wanted some clearance so the flames don't hit the screen, because the cans have a plastic liner that can burn. The pot in this video is a 700ml pot. Thanks for watching!
@newerahiker9373
@newerahiker9373 8 жыл бұрын
+ColoradoCamper yesen , my first screen swas too close to the pot. And it burned. Over the course of my one -week thru-hike in the Carolinas, some of the aluminum even burned off (I did not fold it over so it was quite thin). What is the ideal space between the screen and pot, one half inch???). Making more just to experiment. Thank you! Also, some videos show windscreens that are open at one end with a big opening.What are your thoughts? They do not have holes punched in so perhaps the opening is to make up for the absence of holes???
@ColoradoCamper
@ColoradoCamper 8 жыл бұрын
New Era Hiker I think 1/2 inch of space is pretty good, but it really depends on the stove you are using and how much flame it puts out. Yes, solid wind screens that open on one end allow for air flow, but I don't care for them for two reasons. First, they are more likely to be blown around by the wind. I find that that wind screens that close in on themselves for a full cylinder tend to stay put. Second, having the air come in from one side will force your stove flame to be "blown" away fromt he opening, which can burn the wind screen. I prefer the holes because then you get even air intake all around for your stove.
@drrobotnikmeanbeanma
@drrobotnikmeanbeanma 7 жыл бұрын
i was wondering if i could use this as a windscreen for a pop filter for a mic ?
@ColoradoCamper
@ColoradoCamper 7 жыл бұрын
I don't know, I have never used a pop filter or a microphone. Seeing as you can make one practically for free, why not try it out?
@earlelzy7243
@earlelzy7243 3 жыл бұрын
I'll do it with soda cans.
@tommcgrew2880
@tommcgrew2880 4 жыл бұрын
How much space between the screen and the pot
@ColoradoCamper
@ColoradoCamper 4 жыл бұрын
I shoot for at least a quarter inch all the way around.
@RasDoesBushcraftBackcountry
@RasDoesBushcraftBackcountry 7 жыл бұрын
Chur Brother, great idea, will have to give a crack and will let ya know, Cheers, Ras Da Bushman, Waikato, Aotearoa
@ColoradoCamper
@ColoradoCamper 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I hope it works well for you. My brother just got back from hiking New Zealand pretty much end-to-end over the last five months, and I visited the south island this time last year. Stunning country!
@RasDoesBushcraftBackcountry
@RasDoesBushcraftBackcountry 7 жыл бұрын
I got plans for end to end next year for my channel, I am in the midst of preparing for that Tramp in the next few months and I am producing a complete in depth 5 - 6 hour documentary about the new Zealand great outdoors and the characters that are in it, about a lot of things outdoor related and I am doing it completely self funded, tryin to keep it on the down low for now but thought to let ya know, cheers mate awesome stuff my Bro, Ras
@adventureswithfrodo2721
@adventureswithfrodo2721 6 жыл бұрын
This is a great windscreen. Though I give up on the fancy feast stove they just don't perform.
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