I use the size 1 and 1/0 Mustad hooks to freeline for snook kzfaq.infoUgkxzXmlErSqVAEGWFEKO530BvTqFDw53QW3 and they have been fantastic. The points are super sharp, and the hook is small enough to blend with my baitfish, yet large enough to land fish 30" or more. I also use these hooks when I'm pier or surf fishing with my kids. They tend to catch tons of smaller snapper, whiting, and catfish, and we get far fewer gut hooks with these Mustad in-lines, which means more of them survive after release. I was actually using these hooks when I caught my friend too, but I think that had more to do with the bait I was using ;-)

Enjoyed watching your process. If you don't want to lose even the small amount of 'suck' from the pressure release valve, another way to go is to nest the bucket inside another bucket. This works for a couple of reasons: There's a slight vacuum between nested, identical buckets (which you sometimes experience when trying to pull them apart), and also because when the bucket caves in, there are flat parts that are pulled in, but this means there are also creases that extend out past its original curve, and these would be limited by the outer bucket. Also, you might try playing around with the angle of the side hose, making it go downward very slightly, just a couple of degrees (perhaps by sealing the screw hole that holds the hose to the side and drilling another one 1/4" lower). The air will always go out the top, but by inclining the dust flow down a bit, a greater amount of it should spiral down to the bottom and stay in the collector, and not whirl around up at the top of the bucket and get sucked out. Oh, and this plastic is HDPE (high density polyethylene), a type of plastic that can easily melt around 200-250F, then re-harden, so a soldering iron, some models of hot melt guns, a piece of metal heated in a flame, etc., can 'weld' a small patch of the stuff over any holes you want to seal, for a cheap ('free') glue. There are tons of YT videos on making various items with HDPE, due to this ability to melt and re-harden it over and over. It's even more of a 'rabbit hole' than dust collectors.... Enjoy! :)

I've watched a ton of shop dust collector videos with these cyclones. I loved watching your process and learning curve. Such honesty. And then you made a pressure relief valve. Great idea.

I have to congratulate u because u kept going and using your brain to find the solution...girl that is very very very rare among young people.....thank you so much for teaching us new tricks so much appreciated...

Hey Shannon! Here’s a tip for when you need to enlarge a hole you already drilled, and so there’s no “guide” for the next size bigger hole saw or bit..... Simply grab a small piece of scrap wood, drill the larger hole in that, then affix that piece of wood temporarily over the smaller hole you want to enlarge. That will now give your larger bit a reference “guide” to drill the bigger hole. Then just remove the piece of wood and you’re good to go. Alternatively, if you are working with the type of hole saws that all thread onto the same centering bit, sometimes you can get away with “stacking” them... thread the bigger one on first, then also thread on the one used to make the original smaller hole, that one will stick out a little proud of the larger diameter one acting as a guide for drilling the larger hole. 👍🏻😊

Hey Shannon, I also experienced this problem (collapse). My fix: grabbed a 2nd bucket (actually got a black 5gal pickle bucket from Firehouse Subs, just ask!), painted the inside with rubber cement ( Can use shoe goo, epoxy, even 3M industrial spray adhesive), then another layer on the outside of my collector bucket, then stuffed collector inside my new bucket, and BAM! Plenty of wall strength. Now I don’t have to mess with pressure relief valves, vacuum-loss-causing holes, etc. protip: you don’t even have to glue the 2 together. I just did that for that extra bit of oomph, and so i wouldn’t Be tempted to steal my outer bucket for another crazy garage engineering project 😂

I like the fact that you troubleshoot along the way! Allows viewers to see the potential issues and how you went about solving them! Subscribed!

Enjoyed hearing the thought process behind each decision and steps taken to solve your issue. DIY isnt always about saving money, its the learning experience and skills developed from it that a store bought item will never provide... A video explaining why encourages creative thinking, videos just showing how provides no help if things dont run smoothly. great work!

Great, I love your thought process tackling one challenge at a time and finding improvements. The next step will be to think about a spring return for the jar lid so you don't have to reset it every time it pops off. I am on it myself for by own collapsing bucket. As Sir Issac Newton said, standing on the shoulders of giants.

I seen someone else who had this problem, he doubled up the buckets and it worked : -)

Thanks for your tip! I ended up leaving 2 holes in my lid... no cover on them the suction is so strong it avoids the bucket problem while picking up a lot still!

Very cool. Love the fact you showed the whole trial and error process. Woodworking needs more ladies to be inspired and given the confidence to jump in and do stuff, you are definitely doing a great service. Excellent job, looking forward to watching your channel grow. 👍👍

Refreshingly simple Shannon. I just watched a few other videos on this subject, most of which involved routers and table saws. I will be following your straightforward approach. Thanks a lot.

Good job Shannon, never giving up! Just wanted to give you a nice tip next time you need to drill a bigger hole after you already drilled one with your holesaw. Say you drilled a 1" hole but now you need a 1 1/4 hole...take the 1" holesaw that you originally used and put it INSIDE the 1 1/4 holesaw and screw BOTH at once to the drill bit. This way the 1" holesaw drops into hole already drilled and keeps drill from jumping around on you. Hope this made sense. Take care!

a hand on lady ,i approve . and that,s a damn monster of a shopvac ,props to shannon,s father for buying it for his daughter . if i had a daughter ,she would be a mechanic /engineer and a biker :)

Simple yet effective design. Cool!

Great video. Everything well explained and nice to see the malfunctions as well as success and thought process to resolve and find solutions. Just about to attack this issue so grateful for all the do’s and do not’s! Thank you.

You get an A for effort. I experimented with different size collection buckets and different size vacuums. I found that you don't need a large vacuum for a 5gal. bucket. I switched my collection bucket to a full size metal trash can using a large vacuum like yours. Also, I made the Thein type collector using a 4" hose and solved my collapsing can problem. Thanks for sharing. Never give up...

Nice to see, that not all tutorials turn out, and we get to see problem solving!!! Thanks for not giving in and pushing through…I have subscribed to your channel

Good job. Thanks for the ideas. You've sold me on making one of these 👍. I'm pretty fed up with filling a shop vac part way too, maybe having to open it up because I sucked up something by accident, but then having to empty it before putting the lid back on because I can't get the filter back in cuz the dust. I was thinking maybe taking a strip of sheet metal on the top side and attach it to the lid below with a screw. The sheet metal would flex a bit to open the hole as the lid is drawn in with suction; however, when the vacuum turns off, the sheet metal goes back flat again, pulling the lid back up and resealing the hole again automatically 🤔. Might eliminate resetting the valve repeatedly.

It was extremely helpful to watch the whole process of problem solving. Thanks for sharing. This really helped me solve my own problem!

Not to be pedantic, but words - and correct use of terminology - matter. It’s a dust separator, not a dust collector. Nice explanation and effective use of sketches. Really liked the pressure relief valve. Placing the bucket inside a second bucket also reportedly works well. Best wishes!

The Home Depot and Lowes buckets aren't very sturdy. I once mixed drywall mud in a Home Depot bucket and had orange pieces in my mud. I then went to a thicker bucket and got rid of that problem. Maybe you could have got away with design #1 with a better bucket? Me ... I went with the dustopper and removed all that grief. I did love your method of solving the 'collapsing bucket' problem! Thanks for the vid!

I admire your stick to it until resolved attitude. Nice job!

I can't believe it's so simple. Great job love it Rick

Loved watching your video, made me smile , I too had the same problem but I had a cyclone fitted on top of mine so my solution was to cut a couple of pieces of wood the same size as the bucket diameter and ,force them into the inside of the bucket as bracing, I made an 'X shape with the wood, worked a treat, and no dust in the vac, keep up the good work, love watching you and the fact that you are so pretty makes this old man very happy lol, from Garry in the UK

This was awesome! Thanks for showing the whole problem solving process. Science FTW! Of course I got served this because I'm researching dust collection pressure relief. I have upgraded my 5 gallon bucket to a 30 gallon plastic trash can. It still collapses when I attach it to my orbital sander because the end of the hose is too small. Just wanted to say how your solution is better than those who suggest reinforcing your bucket (stick it in another bucket or stick plywood rings in) because it is scalable. The only other addition I would recommend would be to add a movable lid to a hole in your top. An oversized plug that you can use to gradually change the size of the hole. That way you could compensate for something steady like a small hose instead of completely breaking the seal like you do with the magnet approach. I hope that makes sense.

I enjoy your videos. I’m impressed with your patience during this video and I appreciate watching your trial and error, your persistence, and discovery. I would have kicked the bucket. (Not died, but literally kicked the literal bucket) I don’t know much, I’m new at woodwork, but it seems to me that the bucket is really flimsy to begin with. Would a sturdier bucket that doesn’t collapse cause other problems? Keep shooting! Thank you for letting us in on your progression and problem solving. It’s relieving to see that I’m not the only one with issues and seeing your small journey to victory teaches me to be a bit more patient and a lot more persistent!

Hello, love your attitude and how many ways you try and get more experience. I made my own dust colector to avoid pay tons of money for dust bags and filters, did it with different pieces and some tutorials, but only one with the best solution to avoid collapse : spring check valve. I’m using a 1500 w vacuum cleaner for big work at the attic and work shop, I need to protect the over heat or over charge and force the machine because many big stuff get stuck a lot of times, the valve works perfectly. And use some kitchen absorb paper to cover the filter so it make it least longer and the inside bag to just for more protection, piece of cake. BRGDS.

Hi Shannon , watched your previous videos and I love it , I'm in woodworking too , waiting for next projects , u have a new subscriber now , thanks 😊 .

Shannon you did great!

the magnet is a good simple idea, I've been messing around with a spring that I can't seem to get to work

It’s possibly already been mentioned… but maybe use elastic or similar with a mini triangle frame above (for length). That way the pressure is relieved, then reset

Very simple and easy to make. Thanks!

Seriously this is the best video I have seen on this topic. Now I feel confident to continue making mine

I like the DIY solution, and there are also inexpensive solutions out there such as cyclone and pressure release valves. I got both and a strong sealable bucket drilled a few holes, connected the tubes and job done. I do like your thought process and experimentation, I just didn't have the time to find a workable solution. It wasn't expensive either, perhaps £$30 or so for bucket, cyclone and valve. The most expensive thing is the wood for the unit I am making for it and the new Triton vac!

A simple fix that add's to your idea. Make a hinge that attaches your valve to the lid, holding your valve in position. Like a tiny teeter totter slightly heavier opposite your valve. It opens when needed, then automatically goes back into position when not.

Kudos for sharing the steps and process. Increasing the pick up line was smart. Ideally though, you don't want to lose the suction, so an alternative is to strengthen or reinforce the walls of the bucket, either by putting a cylinder inside the bucket, or by putting your bucket inside another bucket. good luck

I think using PVC pipe as the main header with multiple inlets will be great, the video is inspiring me for my dust collector project, thank you, and keep going.

In the lid 9f my bucket, I've inserted a few centimetres of 19mm black irrigation pipe, fitted with a tap for that pipe. I leave the tap wholly opened, but can close it off if more pressure is needed.

this was awesome. love how you continued to iterate until you solved your problem. btw if you havent iterated further and you know someone with a bicycle who has to or has had to replace a tube. use the bike tube to hold the lid in place until it needs to open and when the blockage or reduced flow through the hose clears it will seal back

Hi Shannon, great video. Your persistence is amazing coupled with the fact that you took the trouble to film all the stages of your efforts to solve problems. I've just built my first Thien baffle dust extractor which works really well, I'd recommend checking those out. They're basically what you have done but with a disc below the inlet. My collection bucket was collapsing as well so I cut a plywood ring to reinforce it about half way down which works well. I think pressure/suction relief valves usually use a spring. I predict that you will go on to develop things that make you a lot of money because you're intelligent and you don't give up

Cool Vid Shannon!!! A Dremel Rotary Tool would be a good investment. It would have been helpful enlarging the holes in the bucket. Keep the videos coming. They are enjoyable.

Well done. If the jar top was in some kind of housing and spring loaded, when the valve opens, it would automatically close when the pressure was reduced.

Lots of good trys Shannon. Here is a simple trick to keep the bucket from collapsing. Just get another Home Depot bucket and slide it under the existing bucket. I had the same problem and I thought of getting a thicker plastic bucket. Eventually that collapsed as well. You will be surprised with the results. Happy wood working.

Great explanation.

Brilliant idea. Hope that still working. I tried with a Valve you can get on Amazon, but I’m still having problem. Perhaps I need bigger hose. I also used a Cyclone Dust Collection System, and yet the problem. Thank you sharing your idea. I believe, “Our World is a Shared Experience”… I’m new here on YT, and trying to learn how to do things and creating contents here on my channel. Feel free to have a look at the handful of contents and you might like something that you might use. Anyways, any critic and support make a huge difference to me and my channel. Remember, *_Life_* is *_Short_* so, *_Live Long_* and *_Prosper_* … 🖖 Look after yourself and each & Stay Safe…

Hi I am thinking of doing the same thing but I am getting the cyclone to fix to the top of the bucket have the thought about doing that ??? That way there would be even less dust getting in to your vacuum . P.s. love the video keep them going.what is the model number of the new Vax that ???

Good perseverance. Need more research, because a thicker pail (90-100+ mils) is advised by cyclone makers to avoid bucket colllapse. These are available on Amazon.

Love your enthusiasm. You go girl!

Add a 2nd bucket, makes the system stronger. Those big box store buckets are made from thin plastic. The best one I found was an old paint bucket (white plastic) as it's thicker material. You also have to spend the time cleaning the lid and bucket to remove the leftover paint....

McGyver! Well done and great creativity.

Does the suction line coming from the vacuum have to be positioned in the middle of the lid?

I have been watching DIY dust collection videos for like 3 hours, and not a single one went in-depth as you did. I really enjoyed watching the iterative engineering process of this video and probably saved me from making the same mistakes.

Hi Shannon I'm impressed with your persistence. But you don't have the solution yet. If you want to stay with your current concept I suggest that you use a spring to return the lid to the closed position. I suggest the following: Make the hole bigger Buy a long small dia bolt or eyebolt some nuts and washers Buy a long spring; you may need a fender washer if the ID of the spring is too large Cut a narrow strip of wood to bridge the vent hole with a clearance hole for the bolt in the center Assemble the bolt, fender washer, spring, cross bar, plastic lid, nut, washer, metal lid, washer, nut. Screw the crossbar to the lid. Glue the magnet to the crossbar if desired.

Nice job👍🏻

It sounds weird, but what I have found works really well is to just get another bucket and nest your bucket in the new one. It keeps the bucket from collapsing. No need for a pressure relief valve and you don't have to keep open the lid of your dust collector.

My wife got me the same vac for Christmas.

The collapsing HD bucket is pretty strong. Thanks for sharing and getting into depth with the solution That was a great demonstration.

Hi you did very good with 2 no. Small vacuum thanks you learn us something very good

Great video.

Could probably alter the pressure release to be spring loaded instead, replace the magnet with a machine screw that runs through the metal lid and your cross beam, on the other end of the lid put a washer, spring, and nut. The spring will push the metal lid into the bucket lid but when pressure is high the spring will contract and allow air in before closing again.

Hi ms, it it posible runing 12-20hours?

I wonder if a small spring loaded hinge holding the pressure relief flap,or a flexible flapper that is ridgid enough to return to the closed position. This might regulate the air flow ,allowing the most efficient air flow.❤this hack going to try and use a metal pail. Super great idea, thank you so much.

to add strength to the bucket to keep it from collapsing put that bucket inside another bucket, and trim to fit your existing unit. also, if you used 3 strings on the cap it wouldnt fall in and if the strings are short enough, the valve will rest itself when the vac is turned off. like your commitment.

I wonder if it's just a crappy bucket. I had the same problem with my set-up, in which I used a Home Depot bucket. So, I turned to KZfaq for the answer. Low-and-behold, every video on dust separator buckets collapsing involved an orange Home Depot 5 gallon bucket.

I wonder. what if you cut a circular piece of plywood that fits in the bucket, maybe halfway down. Drill a hole in the middle of that circular piece of plywood(or many holes. I don't think it matters). I think the rigidity of that plywood would also keep the bucket from collapsing. Also, the holes in the plywood would allow for the dust to fall to the bottom. Idk, a thought

So great to see the trail and error and succes. And all with a smile. Now the advancement: make sure that the valve closes when teh vaccum is not too much anymore or when the suction stops. Any thoughts on that? Thanks, Flemming, Netherlands

This is how Edison started...a lot of failures...then comes success...Love your attitude...never give up...

I enjoyed watching you learn and solve but at the same time I kept thinking, you could buy a Dustopper and be done with it. You spent $50 on the extra hose so cost became a non-issue. I'm an old fart and I've learned over the years to stop trying to re-invent the wheel. However, I'm not a rich old fart so I also understand the desire/necessity to DIY it. You learned a lot during this process and that's a good thing. On the flip side, you spent time and money on a problem that already has some well-established and cost-effective solutions. It's a delicate balance that experience will help you tip the right way more often than not. That said, it's still a pretty cool journey regardless, right?

Use a spring so when you turn the vacuum off, the hole recloses.

I don't know what all the advantages are going from the small tank (Porter Cable) to the big tank (DeWalt), but if you're going to use a dust separator anyway, you may as well use the small tank unit.

🙂 we dont have home depot in england but will look at doing something similar here i think 🙂

Was thinking you could get some thin MDF or Plywood and roll it into a cylinder and insert it into the bucket. The springiness of the insert would push against the sides and stop the bucket from collapsing.

What is the point of this valve? if the pressure is almost always high enough to pop it off the magnet, what does that achieve? It's the same as having just the hole in the top with a short time-delay. It might be better to put the jar lid on a spring loaded hinge, so that it returns to it's place after the pressure reduces. But having just the hole seems like the best option, because the valve is only saving suction power for a second or two of use before the valve actuates.

I used a 17 in. x 16 in. Sump Basin Model # SF15 from Home Depot. Much stronger material and will not crush. There is also an 18 in. x 22 in. Model # SF20 if you have the room.

I have a Duststoper from Hone Depot for $40 and it comes with 2 hoses and inside it a Thein type baffle. My dust collector is stainless steel and the only thing that gets in there is a light dusting inside. I use 2 Home Depot buckets...One inside the other so no collapsing.

i had the same problem, the best way to get past the problem is a stonger buckey or even better a steel drum/bucket

We had the same problem with the bucket collapsing. My son looked at me and said Dad, if you use another bucket, the walls of the first one can't contract because for that to happen the other parts need to expand. We just put another bucket in it and it's been great! In addition to that, we added sand to the bottom of the lower bucket so now it doesn't tip over!

Браво, такава жена искам да имам. Чудесна работа :)

You can try just setting the bucket in another bucket and it should prevent it from collapsing. It would stop the walls from flexing enough to suck in.

I think the downsized pipe would create a restriction of air flow.... But the main reason why it compressed is probably because when you were sticking the hose end into the bucket, the hose end would get blocked by a flat surface area causing the air pressure to be compressed due to a completely sealed environment. Even if for a second it were to be completely sealed it will collapse the bucket.

Use a Thien baffel and a flush inlet for much better tesults

Super...!

Place the bucket into a similar bucket and the double walls will be stronger and prevent collapsing of the interior wall. Good try.

put a bag in the shop vac, it will capture any dust that gets by the collector and it will keep your filter clean.

To stop the bucket collapsing, slip the bucket into a second bucket, assuming the brackets can be stacked.

Your good 👍

Put a screw with a spring that way it only opens when it needs to and close automatically

I would think the only reason your bucket collapsed was because the amount of saw dust you vacuumed up at once. When you’re using tools, you don’t have that much sawdust at once. I think, it would have been fine without the extra magnet hole. 🤷‍♂️

You already had a small bucket with holes in it ( small vacuum) use that. Just hook the new bigger vacuum to the smaller one.

e se colocar uma torneira na parte de cima , vc abriria conforme a necessidade de liberar pressão ... idéia bem louca e que não testei .... ou prender a tampinha de metal com 1 so parafuso e vc gira liberando o buraco pouco a pouco ...

If you add a pressure relief valve then it negates the purpose of a dust containment system as when the valve opens it will shoot dust out.

When you need to drill a larger hole when you have a smaller hole - get a block of wood and drill the bigger hole in it. then clamp it over the smaller hole and slowley drill.

home depot sells Dust Separator called the dustopper for like 35 $ and it just fits on most 5 gallen bukets and if your buket sucks in like yours did you could just sit it in a other 5 gallen buket and from the videos i saw that stops it

I'll give you a A+ for the repeated effort, in the future if you drill a hole saw hole to small & want to make it bigger , take a scrap piece of plywood or something drill your bigger hole in the scrap then center it on your hole that you made to small & it will give the hole saw something to ride in while making your new hole!

Also, excellent video...

One tip to keep your bucket from collapsing is to buy another bucket and insert the current bucket into the second bucket and that will give the first bucket twice the wall strength which is why the flimsy bucket is collapsing. It's not my idea but I got it from another genius KZfaqr by the name of Chris Notap. ....No need to over-engineer this.

Some people solved this “bucket shrink” problem using two buckets: one inside the other.

This is great! As others mentioned, watching you learn was helpful and I def enjoyable watching your reactions. Another use case for this that I found handy was when I want to suck up liquids. I don't even bother emptying the dust out of my main shop vac before doing so cuz it separates so well.