Hondata is just so simple and reliable... i learn how to tune on hondata and simply love it.. i wont change to something else unless i had no other choice, hondata still does everything i need it to do.

Now you gotta show the install on one of the cars so people can see the difference in the initial setup

I don't know Mike... if an S300 can run an 8-sec AWD Civic... hard to justify the change. It's O.G., it's nostalgic, and it's made FOR our beloved Honda's (doesn't fit any other car).

The biggest barrier by far for FuelTech on this platform is going to be the complexity and expense of wiring and sensors. It doesn't stop at just the ECU, you're going to have to find someone to modify FuelTechs universal harness or pay for a custom one, switch to T1 cam trigger if you haven't already as well as switching to coils, either FuelTechs or Smart. This is a really big issue if you already have a custom Rywire/WireWorx or other custom harness that now has to be scrapped or adapted to the FuelTech unit. As of right now Haltech and AEM still have much more accessible standalones, mostly because they're plug and plug.

FT is trash. Every KZfaqr must be getting a hella great profit margin to push these. Fuel tech can barely do vvti cam control and it’s hardware is laughable compared to even 20 year old k ecus. SMH.

Honestly bro, fuel tech seems cool and all but I’m not all about making an engine harness, I just want a street car not a full on drag car.

My only issue with FuelTech and other stand alone systems, is for us street car guys that don't have full blown, trailered race cars and live in states that require reading from the obd2 port for vehicle inspections, the standalone systems can never "fool" the inspection systems, nor send data via the obd2 port. Where I live (in NY), I have to run kpro to keep the car legal.

Last year I had my Tax check and was ready to go from Kpro 4 to Fueltech ft450. I researched for weeks and came to the conclusion there was NOT enough support for Honda’s at the time. Support for doing the wiring and support for the initial setup etc. then you get into the trigger wheel and all that. I ABSOLUTELY loved the all in one dash/ecu. But the complexities and wiring etc seem quite DAUNTING. I’m quite savvy with doing wiring too and it STILL seemed like a gamble. You spend ALL that money and do ALL that wiring work you want it to ACTUALLY RUN afterwards. Fuel tech didn’t seem 100 percent full proof.

just started wiring mine up today, my advice is to plan, plan, plan, and have a lot of patience

This is a nice standalone. Most important thing talk to your tuner before you buy this cause they will be the one tuning your car to get the best results

For a classic OBD1 Honda Civic you can still turbo it and get hondata for 500, and you said that the entry level $1,000 kit from fuel tech "might not have enough inputs" for a turbo setup, even though you said that the entry level price was comparable between the two. I love fuel tech they are awesome but it is also nice to have the screen available separately also if you are trying to save money so having it always included and costing hundreds more dollars doesn't seem like such an advantage to me as it is being advertised.

I'm going to grab a ft550 from you. If you want to expand your plug and play harness options or give people the option for a full custom harness I can make them for you, ranging from full mill spec-race spec to oem+. Let me know and I'll reach out to you

I recently switched over to Fuel Tech from Kpro. Wired the car up and got it to turn on. Next I have to get it tuned. Don’t regret it 🙏🏽

The ft450 runs a boosted engine just fine. There are Plenty of outputs for boost control and BBG. No worries

I would love to put my eg project to the test. I still haven't fully decided what ECU system I should go with but this sounds good to me..

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The people at FuelTech are Amazing! I can't wait to get a FT550!!

I use Hondata... It's 👌

Just bought my s300 2 weeks ago. Darn... I feel you on this tho. Maybe in the future ill switch to fuel tech when I get towards bigger powa

For those guys that don’t have the kind of money , you guys should provide a good discount , should mention that if you guys want more future customers to switch

For the beginners D16/B20vtec ebay builds Hondata is the only way to go. You can get a used s300 with boost by gear 3 to 400$. Fuel tech is nice but not for the beginners/budget builds.....

You didn't mention the downside you found for the Hondata though other than having to buy traction control, bbg, and cop, you can do all of those with Honda Tuning Suite for free. What was the bottleneck in your opinion?

I like having my cars pass inspection. In my state, we get plugged in unfortunately. With kpro, I pass. I don’t believe you will pass with a stand-alone.

If you're still considering Hondata, Look at Honda Tuning Suite. It's free software, and the hardware needed is a fraction of the price. They are opening up K support.

If you go Ft get the 550 for a k series youll appreciate the extra inputs.

No you just needed the right ecu for your built the only real benefit to the newer ones is you can use the same engine management system in completely different cars.still need a pro to wire it up

I wish fuel tech was more popular a few years ago when I put together my H2B setup with the K series manifold. I paid wireworx for a custom harness that was about $700 and then paid like $550 for a S300 V2 not even a V3 and my car gives me constant TPS issues, no COP, no Bluetooth capability it sucks compared to Fuel tech. Could’ve had a better set up for a cheaper price.

Definitely make a vid on install and tuning on fuel tech! I’m interested in the FT550. Also can u make more video uploads lol

Awesome video brother I'm sold... Got my consideration to sell my s300v3 now.. I run a b16a swapped and boosted civic ef sedan 88-89...90-91 dash spots are slightly different.... I'll be after this possibly this year if I can sell off enough of my stuff... looking to make my civic better as the usual for us all THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION

Id be the happiest boy if you sent me a hondata

I've been following for a long time.

I'm still on the fence, I've got a 89 crx with a built b16. I'm still running OBD0 PR3(stock) and PW0(Enjin chip) ECU's. I scored a P28 from a wrecking yard out of a auto Ex, haven't confirmed it works but I was planning on going OBD1 s300. I want to get into tuning, like the idea of running a laptop in the passenger seat. I think I can pull it off with a $400 Hondata and $200 laptop.

the issue is that who ever uses obd2 and wants to stick with the stock dash they cant use the fueltech

If you call Fueltec ask for Manny ext #2007. I am purchasing the ft450 for my b series build $899. Ft A engine harness is $599. Ft Nano O2 set up with sensor is $295. There 2 port boost controller is $150. There are 3 GM sensors I must but as well. All together, it's a bit over $2000 done right using there products. It's still a great value over motec, aem, or any other electronics out there.

I hear ya Mike. I wish I had known about Fuel Tech before I bought my s300 a few years ago, for all the benefits that you mentioned.

Bro its not all the simple… ur going from a piggyback to a standalone. Tuning a fuel tech is not a easy as a Hondata. Im from Brazil and here many guys have issues with their cars running 100% after installing a fuel tech.

What can I do for a J Series, I've heard that the ecu is locked so you can't tune. Piggybacks are like $1500.

Great vid thanks for the knowledge

should do a video on how to setup the fueltech for hondas

Problem is always the cost with all these new engine management hardware.

Hondata is good enough for my application

I feel like price to price hondata is still cheaper well at least compared to the s300 v3 and most tuners can tune on this platform more comfortably because of the experience this platform is just too new right now to compare and kinda sound complex with all the wiring where as hondata is pretty much plug and play if you have obd1 you you plug your ecu in like normal if you obd2a/b you get a jumper harness pretty straight forward I would have to see how it compared but considering the price difference information and and the reliability I think ima stay with hondata for till I see some information on this

This is an awesome video man! Great job and keep doing what your doing hopefully in the near future I'll be able to hit you up for some engine management goodies.

Would like to see these set up on new civics like the 8/9/10 Si’s and R…

The 450 is the bare minimum to run the engine, fuel pump etc. The 550 is where most people will probably be.

YOU RIGHT! thats why i decided to save up to add that extra dollars for fuel tech system vs hondata, aem and or other emanagement competitors out there. they cost the same or less for the whole package deal vs buyin everything separately from hondata, aem or other emanagement competitors just to boost. It does the job for a regular Street tune Naturally aspirated Honda motor swap. No need for fuel tech on that. FOR THE PRICE AND QUALITY EMANAGEMENT ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY SERVICE THE FUELTECH SYSTEM PROVIDES if you are track raced car out on force induction cars. You can't beat that deal in the racing business industry.

Fueltech is good but for street cars Hondata is best. Fueltech is more for vehicles over 700hp but even tho I'm running my 08 Civic SI k24A boosted 788hp with Hondata flashpro

very cool man. thanks for the info. I was just talking to hondata the other day about a awd crv turbo project I might do i did not know about the add ons more$$$$$$$$$. but the covid problem kind of stopped me. I have a kid now fast car is gone. I need a bigger car. but wow if you really get all that that is a great price it it is easy to use i will look in to it.

Preech brother they aren't supporting us no more 😔 all us 8th gen guys are sol !

Wish I have the money. I'd jump on this stuff already and start learning about tuning.

What about us weird guys that want to keep our factory instrument cluster? lol

I love my Hondas. They will only ever be clean street cars, and for that. Hondata is good enough for me. Not everyone wants to pay over a g for tuning. Even Moates demon is good enough for most people.

This is nice! Maybe on my new build I will go this route.

When will the B-Series Patch/Jumper Harness be available for the FT450?

Thank you! Been saying this for awhile now!

Quick Q&A I'm in the process in doing a k series NA build, haven't picked up a ECU as of yet. My Q is with this item all I would need is the factory ECU without going with Kpro? Have a 06 TSX with Type R Gear box 6speed. Thanks again for all your post.

OK what “Limitations” exactly did you find that the Hondata could not do that the fuel tech can do???? You can’t help people watching this wonder if you are just saying these things because you are a dealer for the product and pushing it to make a sale and make money, be specific man come on. The other thing is “wiring” a Hondata is a plug and play even with a conversion harness that is cheap on eBay. A fuel tech is a full wiring job and that alone is a complicated thing for a lot of people. A Honda ECU if you change the capacitor and diode that could go out as a preventative maintenance is still easier and faster than trying to re wire an entire engine. The other thing is you can always just buy a brand new rywire harness to make your harness brand new too. I have used and tuned hundreds of Hondata S300 and never had a single issue or “Limitations”. Name one thing fuel tech can do that S300 can’t.

You know I noticed this not to long ago to buy the ecm buy all the other plug ins and add ons and this has literally cleared the air

Then you have to spend 3 days wiring it into your existing harness & pray you did it right

Alright who wants to buy my v3 s300 and v4 kpro lol

What fuel tech system do you recommend for running nitrous and eventually a turbo as well?

This works for a kswap? As far i know k pros are the best for it

Ill run s300 any day of the week, but i think Fueltech is BIG bucks, BIG racing. I cant justify spending the 1500+ for the overhaul on a $2000 car when i can find a used hondata for like 300-400 local

I might have to try this ems on my next build 🔰💪🏽

Who are we selling our hondatas to if you guys are telling everyone to sell theirs, theres going to be a load of them on the market and no one in the market for a hondata

Sold I'll buy one when I pick up another project

FT has no baro connection. Driving up into the Rockies fuel drifted to almost 30% error

would probably run that in my rsx if there’s a guide. Funny part is you can sell kpro for the same amount you bought it for lol.

S300 & Kpro maintain the ODB 2 systems. For some with cars that are still on the road, that is very important. Not everyone wants to gut all the wiring and install a led screen in the dash. ECU replacement is very stealthy. Will the Fueltech work on all engines with out upgraded cam gears and still retain ODB ?

Show a dyno tuniing session with one.

Thank you awesome information and very ture .

You gonna have to show the world race proven videos and dying and trouble shoot to convince the world to trash the hondatas

Well could you sell me one of those outdated Hondata ecu for $200 since you will have no use for them?

Dang why yoi gotta cut Dennis off like that in your edit. 😅. Nice vid!

You cnt just say sell your hondata ecu or piggyback if the best tuner you know is use to tuning on hondata at the end of the day you get the programmable ecu or tuning solutions based on what your tuner prefers Hondata is known to run 8s so at the end of the day hondata is evolving and like flashpro they have basemaps specifically for the 8th gen 9th gen 10th gen si whether you want to go turbo nitrous sc or allmotor...you use what your tuner is more comfortable using

$1,000 ? How much money for connect the harness to the oem car harness . Hondata has very good numbers on drag cars and for street cars daily drive is fantastic .

U caught my attention…

I have no issues with My Hondata flashpro and I'm running 788hp

Thanks

I really want to buy a fueltech and wire it up, I have neptune RTP and somethings I wish I could dial in are not there. I have had good luck with doing DPFI wiring and OBD0 to OBD1 wiring, I see your comments below with showing initial setup and I will really be weighing if I should get this. Even for my stock d15b2 LOL. Also TunerView is off NeptuneRTP platform!!

when you dont have to wire the harness yourselff i might consider it

What I learned as an IT person is that hardware is always cheap. It is software and support that is expensive. How many tuners know how to use the software?

Can I pass emissions with fuel tech I don't think so. Fuel tech great for track but how good is it for street use with emissions vehicles?

The simple fact the ECU are 30 years old is enough reason to change. Can't tell you how many stock ECUs are trash just from age. For every 1 good ECU I've seen like 30 bad ones. Plus you need a trusted soldering installer, and harness installer .. it's a good system like he said. But once you get a GREAT standalone in your car you'll never want to go back. More power, more reliable more tuneability, more inputs and outputs, easy to go straight to COP. Big, traction control, CANBUS capabilities, self learning... So many ecu out there are well above the capabilities of hondata at the same price now.

Nexus R5 is the best with built in PDM.

keen to see some fueltech wiring content and videos

Would this work on honda d series engines?

I found an obd1 p28 in ten minutes. They are not hard to find at all. However they are outdated and expensive.

You just sold it FAM Your pints are so dead on. FAXS NOW NEED TO STACK SOME CASH I REALLY NEED THIS IN MY LIFE 💯

But the cost is not close with kseries ..the ft450 wont do the kswap cuz no vtc control so u need the ft 550.its 50% more cost than the kpro

Me watching this As I just received my new p28 from HA

Haven't seen any fuel tech powered Fk8, is that something you guys will work in the future?

Do u have to run a new engine harness or can I use my 05 rsx type s. Harness

I'm running a ecu-master it's pretty good

Yo mike what’s ur opinion on speeduino ecus?

Hondata is under 600 bucks so I’ll pass on paying 1k

Sup Mike, been a good time subscriber. Your content is legit. I have a 06' lexus IS250 FBO with start-up issues with the immobilizer system. You think the Fueltec can override that anti-theft system issue?

What the diff price range from entry mid An baller packages for the fuel reck I only see the 450 entry level

Hondata has its place

if mike says it, than its good as gold.