It's not like an mmo, in any sense

tldr there are 1000's of more rewarding games that are more fun that have less than 100 people in the total population on steam. tldr d4 bad

@@TravisStockton Can you name a few? I still find D3 fun for 2 weeks every 3rd season to blast and push the leaderboards. D4 is decent but not going to put too much time into making my char perfect if I can't record it on a leaderboard, if there was no seasons then of course i would go for perfect gearing. PoE was nice at the start but when you get a full time job its a bit more difficult to keep up with things. Last Epoch was decent but gets stale after awhile. ARPGs in general are just meant to give 2 - 3 weeks of fun. PoE being the exception if you have the time.

Is the whole game just simple fighting mechanics and simplistic DPS grind? Or do they offer value in terms of interesting gameplay mechanics, like building and crafting?

Totally agree 👍

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That’s sweet

Same!

You need to go outside and make some real friends.

Thats why helldivers fucking sucks

Hahahaha! Solid. I will never go back to blizzard. Done with them.

​@@donotsayit Maybe it ain't for you? 😂

​@@EdgePitSwingDiscord mods banning str8 Cis males for not liking their woke agenda. So yeah, the game wasn't made for me either.

If you want to get fucked by Sony, play Helldivers. - Helldivers Studio

Dude you're so right. I forgot all about that and I really don't know what they were thinking. Shortly after that was when I stopped playing but I came back for season 4 and have been having fun

And blizzard doesn’t care, they will continue to release wildly unfinished games for full price with no offline mode to avoid all the bull crap. Gaming is in a very sad state in the modern era.

@@AUZlENot really. There’s a lot of good games, just don’t pay for triple As. POE 2 is around the corner and looks promising. There’s tons of games, people just keep paying for bad ones. That’s starting to change because of the economy and we’re required to be more strategic about what we spend money on.

Season 2 was great but the major issue was having to keep aspects in your stash tab which made it hard to have alts.

I haven't played it yet, but videos like these make me feel good about when I do return to D4. Something I don't see mentioned at all though, something I think needs a rework or just added to, is the skill trees. They just don't "feel good" IMO. I feel like your choices are so limited, and the system is as basic as it gets when compared to other ARPG's. I also feel like the graphical effects on each skill are toned down a lot, not only due to Blizz trying to make the game more "gritty"....but because they knew having huge effects would become problematic when you add multiple players on the screen at the same time due to the "mmo" aspect of the game. Maybe they will revisit the skill system in the future. Tired of seeing the same builds (or very similar) on top every season. That just shows that the selection of skills just isn't there yet.

the game is better than it was at season 1, thats for sure. but its still way too fast to get bored... just like D3 they are not focusing on providing a great diverse endgame content like other ARPG games. It's a shame for the biggest name on the market

@@joj0o7 what on earth do you want at end game? We have the pit which, to my knowledge, no one has hit max level in it yet. So that's still a goal to push. You got Uber bosses that are level 200 to farm provided you are even geared to do. Most casuals at this point are not. You got regular uber bosses to farm. A lot of folks can probably do those. You have the much impoved helltides which, in my opinion are a lot more fun than before. You got the leaderboards which everyone begging for seems to have not done. There's a lot there. It's an ARPG. The point is the gear grind.

@@joj0o7 good points but I'm also branching out into different classes and maybe this is the season that i actually have more than just one class that gets to 100 :) I mean I'm just happy about the massive waves upon waves of enemies that come at me during helltides now compared to season 1....it's very gratifying to me now :)

@@MrCyrus1677 the pit and helltide (that you farm from level 1). No diversity. That was my point. I mean... I play ARPG since D2 and its by far the worst experience I have with them

@@joj0o7 pits. Helltides. Leaderboards. World bosses. And for glyphs, NMD. There’s more than you’re getting on about. In my opinion, Last Epoch is far worse. The ONLY thing you got in that game is monoliths and the arena. That’s it at end game. It’s a snooze fest.

Lol

You played new ideas in a old franchise. People didn't like it so they've been changing it. Ironically if it was released this way People would complain it's copy and paste

The story campaign was good, and the game is fun... but most of us have been playing other ARPG that do it better or differently in the years it took them to develop D4. So we expected more than we got. That they are moving in the right direction gives me hope though.

this is the last chance this is it it grows next year or else!

Nonsense. These games need data and feedback to build on. Obviously, it could have been better from the start, but to expect the game to release in the same state as it is after millions of players have broken the game and provided feedback, is just naive. Essentially, it wasn’t possible to release it in exactly the state it is now. Again, it could have had a better foundation, but every arpg is going to require some amount of response and adjustment to player activity and feedback over time, in order to mature.

Should have expected it tbh it was a 2024 release to begin with. Then they take 2 months off for legal shit and it gets moved up a year?? How?

DAMN! Similar story to me! Pre-Ordered I got to around that level, level season 2 (even though I got everything in the game unlocked prior). Jumped on season 4 because of the hype and BAM! My first level 100, and I still want to keep going.

Same. Still stuff to work on, but the core is there.

same here although i never went back for the seasons. i went back to diablo immortal instead. might try out d4 again if theyve made it more interesting

Damn are you me? Exact same scenario got to like 67 when the game first game out then quit, now have 2 at 100 and pushing for Uber Lilith on my one character and 80+ in the pit having a great time

I dident even get past 60 at launch - the game was such a let down. Maybe should retry it now

Im sorry for you that you choose druid of all the classes

@@knagen druid was perfectly fine until this season

I would suggest for new players to make your own build and just have fun casually. If you want to follow a build guide, just hold off until you feel you need to so you can experience all of the content. I played that way on launch and it was a blast. Then started using build guides and that has become boring. I'm making my own build next season.

@@TheJols I agree 👍

@@knagen it was the only class I had not played. Playing a Shred build, kind of fun. My favorite class is the Rogue followed by Sorcerer.

D4 was and still is objectively bad. 😂

​@@metallboy25i think he ment that DM doeseny put random politics on these videos.

Yea, particularly objective when he's says "in my opinion".

I loved their old reason for inventory hahaha "Everybody loads in everybody else inventory in the server so we can't allow you to have a large one" like how does that make sense..... You load the game and the data from other peoples inventory is loaded onto your file

I don't know why so many disliked that but I actually liked it a lot. That aspect for me is a very sizeable downgrade from before. Imo they should just have axed all the BS affixes, remade some and that's be great. It's way too simple minded imo.

@@engladtur You're probably the one one who feels that way. 😅

Nah. I'd rather have some very costly reset but not with Gs but with special mats that reset the durability of temper... Basically going through shit to reset durability.

@@sermerlin1 I Agree, because at that point why even have a random system if people can reroll for free more or less. THey should just let you pick what you want so THERE needs to be a draw back.

As long as its done in town, yes. Swapping on the fly between aoe a bossing would be too strong and then a requirement

It'll never come. Too many factors involved and Bliz is simply too lazy to come up with a way to implement it well. Guaranteed

Dude that is such a good idea , what !!? BLIZZ PLZZ

You can't do that already wtf? Diablo 3 u could change difficulty

Or just use a Stygian Stone. I’ve heard a Resplendent Spark as well which is a little TOO steep but the cost needs to be steep..Stygian Stone is steep.

Yeah I think if you combined your idea and using stygian stones to respec, we would be in a good place. Even just the greater affix idea would help prevent bricking an item that took hours and hours of gameplay to have drop.

I dont think it needs to have a solution. Min maxing has to be an arduous endeavour. If u brick an item, you probably got one afix you want and the other isnt the best thing for you, but the item is still good. It just isnt perfect. Keep playing, someday youll find/buy that triple GA and temper it the way you need.

Besides, the dopamine on having all the stuff fit perfectly on an item is intoxicating xD. If you can just reset the item.... meh... I`d already be done with the game

@@Somohackbr You are full of it if you expect anyone to believe that you’re still playing because your tempering items brick and you have to farm more…It’s a feels like ass moment to get finally get a greater affix item only to have it brick 5 minutes later while tempering.

Maybe Arpgs aren't for you honestly.

​@@MixMeister5000 I play poe so I'm spoiled. D4 needs to catch up. Luckily poe2 is gonna be out soon and I can rotate between those and never get bored.

@@X_MANGO__ If you think that diablo can ever reach the level of creativity and content the PoE, i have bad news for you. Blizzard are literally incapable of doing such a thing. But you're right - the game is extremely bland even now. DM is sugar-coating the review a lot.

This is why I played this season for like 3 hours and bailed. Helltides are boring, NMD are boring, theres NOTHING in this game that are included in these modes to add variety. All of these things are just kill the same easy as fuck monsters over and over. No pacing breaks where you mess with a setup of a mechanic or choose some mods. It has no agency. Also the uber bosses are lame. I killed duriel last season on a lvl 80 barb in 1 try.

Killing monsters is what the genre has always been. Instead of thinking it should change maybe you should play genre's that you like 😮

So many of these same comments. DM needs to hire a better quality botfarm someone donate this man some money!

@@liambaker4055 ??? So cynical dude... Maybe we're just fanboys LOL

Yes please. They also need more character classes, five is the bare minimum in a modern ARPG.

X to doubt.

Kind of crazy Paladin wasnt in there from the get go, especially for an "MMO light" diablo game. Would be neat to buff or be buffed by party members from certain classes. Better yet some hand crafted dungeons meant for partys would be pretty cool. Not make it a world of warcraft or anything just some options.

@@taylorjakabosky7693 not important at this point... first the game needs to have it's core systems fixed. Loot and gearing is a VERY important system that was completly garbage in early seasons.

If they could combine the skill tree and the paragon board I think that would be nasty as hell but idk maybe that would be insane.

Same, this is the first season I have created multiple characters

Does it? You have campaign, dungeons and helltides. That's it

@randomhero6365 yeah it does and I explained why. I said it changed everything. I didn't say it added anything.

You're in a minority of players wanting that.

I'm fine with replaying the story, then doing the new season stuff. We've got a few months and it's not going anywhere. And I know I'm in the minority of players who enjoy replaying the seasonal story. But I get what you're saying - have the option to play through the campaign and have access to all the new content. There is no reason to delay the seasonal content if you've already played through the campaign once.

I want to fight challenging versions of story bosses without having to just replay the campaign and purposely remain undergeared to make them artificially challenging. (Besides echo of lillith)

Wish granted

no more upgrading in season 4

@@gatirenan Thanks for your reply - PROPS! Figures they'd take something away! I had gave up on "adding the 3 or 4 dots" to my weapons like I used to But I do enjoy Tempering my items just the same

this is th last chance to give us storage

You feed into his first point so well about there being 2 groups. 100m is nothing at endgame. Your method for gold farming is right. But thats not a lot of gold by any means.

Like the other comment said, you can go through 100 mil in a few minutes when you're endgame. Happened to me the other day trying to masterwork

Gold is very easy to come by if one picks up and sells yellows. I think the better question is, why is tempering capped and not unlimited with a scaling gold cost (like enchanting), so people have a means to sink all of this gold.

@@Brii.Z Exactly!!

I'm honestly confused how people are always broke in this game..... Go to Helltides LOOT Like a mad man, as you are there, put the items you want to keep at the bottom of your inventory for management during it, organize it so it's faster to manage at town. ONCE inventory is full, hurry port back to town, put the keep items in box / instant sell everything else FAST. Go back to the Helltide rinse and repeat. Once it is over, go to the box with the keep items to sort out the items to sell or keep after comparing them to what you already have. Salvage some for materials, sell the rest. I have so much gold I have no idea how to spend it all. AND my gear is perfect for end game content after doing this. This method prevents constantly modifying items. After you put on the best items over and over and over again, eventually it'll be safe to spend gold for upgrading them. Trust me, if you get a item you like and instantly upgrade it, you'll find something to upgrade that is better and that is how you waste gold. Just put on best in slot for it's time as you run Helltides, NEVER invest gold into items wihle leveling. Trust me, a little better items during a open world event isn't game changing.

.........Just say you are finding a excuse not to play it. This season is insanely fun compared to any other season. If you DON'T want to play it say it, but don't make a excuse to justify it.

Whatever, you will complain no matter what because you need meaningless attention from strangers 😮

Lol imagine thinking diablo is a good game shits ass 😂

So how far did you push The Pit?

this is the last chance

what’s a toon?

@@Tyler-xf9nu just another word for your characters

​@@Tyler-xf9nu its a dumbass wow nerd way of saying hero

isn't that all ARPGs? once you progress enough, you get bored. you can either start a new character or (usually) play something else. doesn't matter if it's PoE, D2, or D4.

@@Sanzen ur not wrong, but to me it comes down to how long it takes to reach that point... and since im one of those "blasters", it takes me like 3-4 days to reach that point (like in d3)... that makes me feel like its not even worth this little amount of time. its just way to shallow for my taste.

​@@peterlusstig2680Agreed. End game still is too bland and Pit was just not fun.

@@sittkukk8278 *for you. Just accept the fact the genre is not for you.

@@canisinumbra not the genre, it's D4. Pit is just too simple of a design and the high pit pushing is literally D3 all over again where mobs take forever to kill while you fall asleep. I rather have a tighter timer, unique elite mobs or something that makes pit stand out of rest of the content. Only thing cool was the echos on boss fights, but some are BS like lilith waves. Lilith in general is just an atrocious fight that needs a redesign.

the cow level has been replaced with watching youtubers rehash "this is the last chance" content

I swear even w me at pit 77 i never get a greater. Helltides at 60 levels lower produces infinitely better loot

Agree with the bricking, but the boss mats drop everywhere, I'm completely drowning in them because of how many drop during the NMDs and helltide boss parties.

Yea just like in basketball no one likes a brick!!

I’ve got plenty of boss Matts just from helltides and whispers. I also had a Tyreals might drop from the Bloodmaiden in Helltide Edit: when I say boss Matt’s I mean for normal bosses. The Matts for the Uber versions are rarer than hen’s teeth

It always was. These developers has no drive.

Hopefully in another year it'll be Diablo 3.5

D3 is still quite a bit better, another 2-3 years and I'm sure D4 will be very good tho

As long as it goes to D2 I’m ok with that

@@schmidth D3 is not better. Never was.

It is Bad

@@marting.9613 I'm the game was bad on release but it's been almost a year since I touched it so I can't say if it's still bad or not

It's a bad game for casuals. Will stay uninstalled. 🙏

I keep coming back to see if this game is for me at it's current state. 4 seasons and still a NO for me.

I​@@krninja22 I feel like d4 is the PERFECT game for casuals. The game is so basic and entry level.

gam,e needs all chat and hlp chat, dont like only 5 tempers

need hlp chat, friends chat, all chat, more tiers of gems

You get sparks from Iron Wolves Rep max, Killing a Tormeneted Boss, Killing Uber Lilith and from salvaging an uber unique u dont want

What else do you want

Exactly ​@@coreyusmc101.. complaining for the sake of complaining. You can't please these kids ffs

@@riaadhoosainit’s not complaining just to complain, the fact that there’s still no real endgame aside from the same thing we’ve been doing for 14 years is a design flaw. It’s called innovation, don’t tell me you don’t understand the importance of innovation in a competitive market.. Their player numbers show exactly what happens when a business stagnates with ideas.

D3 was actually fun though

So don't play?

@@-awoolay4125 ofc i dont play, im just looking forward for DM to move on a better game

It's horribly boring. Lol

As you literally watch a D4 KZfaq video 😅😅😅😅😂😂😂😅😂😅😅😂😅😂😅😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂 muppet

And yet here you are.

Ok but nobody asked

@@MMoer No one asked for you but here we are.

@@MMoernobody asked for your opinion on this comment.

Then you didn’t try Tempering? There will be new skills added in the expansions.

That's the question. For certain, the game would not be the same, or probably even close. That's considering the major overhauls to itemization FX. Imo it would have been best for "D4 THE GAME" to have it in closed development (with veteran arpg developers!), but the gameplay experience is probably better doing it this "release in beta"-version, despite wasting a full year on non-optimized game.