The well presented and understandable explanation made me like the video

@@sagarshrestha5800 proof we do not have free will? :D

@@DeconvertedMan We have choice (that is 50/50) but our bias extinguish the free will.

@@sagarshrestha5800 oh well!

You have no choice except to believe in free will.

Thanks for the compliment. Glad you enjoyed it!

I don't believe there is unnessary information. Its funny to watch people who has build in this rule to separate right away if information is important, see them strugle to fit every piece of information in to their life bubble. You can't know it. Finding years later use for some piece of irrelevant information brings so much joy.

What would qualify as unnecceary information to you?

@@lass7212 there is certain information that known has the capacity to terminate from existence, at the same time certain information can uplift your Mind and Consciousness. Anything that doesn't mature your Mind/Consciousness could qualify to unnecessary information. Any data that gives the access to touch the boundary of Consciousness I would prefer as necessary info.

@@shrik3090 Yea but just because it's unnecessary to me doesn't make it unnecessary to everyone.

@@lass7212 yeah... both subjective and objective arguments its a separate debate altogether.

It's become harder to believe planes fly given the fact the multitude of metal parts allowing them to fly make them so incredibly heavy

@@Robinson8491 you proved his point what exactly where you going for?

@@angellara6906 but he didn't?

@@Some.username.idk.0 Explain, open to other points of view 👍

@@angellara6906 I think @Albert meant that there is no correlation between planes having heavy parts and believing planes can fly, so he was making an example of OP's comment comment that that isn't a direct correlation. (I do understand heavier planes and how hard it is to fly DO have a correlation and I don't have a comment on if the OP is right or wrong)

lol.

Lol.

@@ArvinAsh Please make a video to explain this: Why are all the Galaxies 2D in spatial structures, i.e. elliptical, irregular 2D structures etc.? Why are the Galaxies NOT 3D in spatial structures, such as oval, sphere or something else of 3D structure? Similarly, Solar systems are also approximately around 2D in spatial flat shape, but not having 3D spatial structures. Why so?

@Syed Zaeem Ali Mohsin If all the stars in a spherical or oval galaxy move around the galaxy's center in the same direction, then spherical shape would not cause chaotic collissions. Right?

@Syed Zaeem Ali Mohsin Thanks a lot. 😀

Appreciate that!

Same here

@@amargaste3833 same :D

@@ArvinAshi SAW "SCIENTISTS AND EXPLORERS LIVE - Why Water is Weird! with Philip Ball" although he would not admit it, he pretty much proved the wisdom of God by the design of water !

That doesn't make any sense.

@@illustriouschin In what way? Ants are supposed to suborn themselves to the good of the nest, these queens were not behaving for the good of the nest.

How does that demonstrate free will? You are describing a behavior, not free will.

@@jpe1 A behaviour not suborned to the good of the nest.

@@earlofdoncaster5018 are you defining “free will” to mean “behavior against your own best interest”? I’m not sure I understand what you think that you have concluded.

Purposes, goals, targets, intentions, aims or objectives -- teleology or syntropy (agency). Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy). Syntropy (prediction, projection) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics! All observers track targets, goals -- teleology. Thinking or rational thought is a syntropic process resulting in optimized predictions! "Through imagination and reason we turn experience into foresight (prediction)" -- Spinoza describing syntropy.

Seems interesting 🙂after all I also feel this way 🙂after I could have Ben any animal 😐even before this planet we were nothing but yet when we die we will be in the same place before we were not ever born in the first place after all I could have Ben a dinosaur I could have Ben a wolf I could have Ben anything ?so why out of all things a human not just a human a human born in a specific point in history?🤔

Me too!! But my brother got pissed and dosen't want to hear it🤣 He says "Its still my brain"! 🤔🙃

@@woodstockjon420 mine just said "ok, you're high" and went to bed, instead... 😂

Purposes, goals, targets, intentions, aims or objectives -- teleology or syntropy (agency). Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy). Syntropy (prediction, projection) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics! All observers track targets, goals -- teleology. Thinking or rational thought is a syntropic process resulting in optimized predictions! "Through imagination and reason we turn experience into foresight (prediction)" -- Spinoza describing syntropy.

Much appreciated! Thank you. Healing is slower than I anticipated. The doctor painted a little too optimistic a picture. But what the heck, I think I like my look in a winter hat better than my bald head anyway. lol.

They will be following a chemical signal.

Yup.

There are at least some reputable and credentialed physicists that will tell you you have no free will, for the reasons you state. I think it's still an open question. How can we know, when no biophysicist in the world can tell us what the mechanism that causes consciousness is, much less "free will"? You might doubt whether you have free will, but you no doubt have consciousness... but what is it, at the lowest quantum level? Is it millions of tiny particles going through their predetermined motions? If so, not only is your free will an illusion, not only do you not actually make "decisions"... your every thought and feeling is just a robotic playing out of the predetermined behavior of each of millions of these particles, doing their inevitable behaviors with no control. If you have no free will, that includes not having the free will to form thoughts... those thoughts are just illusions created by the particles in your brain and your consciousness, whatever that is, is just a passive observer with no control over them.

@@NondescriptMammal so doesn't that remove any ethical framework?

@@Tzimiskes3506 : "If you do harm to others they will take measures to stop you; not because you have free will but because you embody the problem and locking you up will solve it". "You may not know the outcome of the calculations in your head but you still have to do the calculation". ~Sabine Hossenfelder Determinism doesn't preclude randomness so "determined" is the result of prior circumstances whereas "predetermined" suggests planning.

@@lrvogt1257 you didn't answer the question though... All you did was define and distinguish between determinism and pre-determined things...

Purposes, goals, targets, intentions, aims or objectives -- teleology or syntropy (agency). Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy). Syntropy (prediction, projection) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics! All observers track targets, goals -- teleology. Thinking or rational thought is a syntropic process resulting in optimized predictions! "Through imagination and reason we turn experience into foresight (prediction)" -- Spinoza describing syntropy.

"The „memory“ is literally your DNA" Got any shred of evidence? I'll eat my hat if you do

Purposes, goals, targets, intentions, aims or objectives -- teleology or syntropy (agency). Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy). Syntropy (prediction, projection) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics! All observers track targets, goals -- teleology. Thinking or rational thought is a syntropic process resulting in optimized predictions! "Through imagination and reason we turn experience into foresight (prediction)" -- Spinoza describing syntropy.

Good question! I think complexity can be explained after evolution takes over. The key question to me is how did the first self-replicating entity come about. There are some theories on this. The one that makes the most sense to me is one by Jeremy England. I talked about this a little bit in my video titled "Abiogenesis" -- The driving force is energy and entropy. In a nutshell, living systems process energy much more efficiently than nonliving systems.

Absolutely - wonder why demons are being cited and where is Philip Ball going with this - I respect Philip a lot for his lectures on Royal Institute, especially on quantum fields, but this is a case of physicists attempting to be over the nature & trying to complicate things by bringing in newer and fancier terms to maintain a deliberate enigma around this.

Yes, just like Depended Origination philosophy in Buddhism. Nothing arising without a cause.

@@G_Rangaraj Find some entity to do my gravity test and potentially have the literal theory of everything for this universe: (copy and paste from my files): Revised TOE: 3/25/2017a. My Current TOE: THE SETUP: 1. Modern science currently recognizes four forces of nature: The strong nuclear force, the weak nuclear force, gravity, and electromagnetism. 2. In school we are taught that with magnetism, opposite polarities attract and like polarities repel. But inside the arc of a large horseshoe magnet it's the other way around, like polarities attract and opposite polarities repel. (I have proved this to myself with magnets and anybody with a large horseshoe magnet and two smaller bar magnets can easily prove this to yourself too. It occurs at the outer end of the inner arc of the horseshoe magnet.). 3. Charged particles have an associated magnetic field with them. 4. Protons and electrons are charged particles and have their associated magnetic fields with them. 5. Photons also have both an electric and a magnetic component to them. FOUR FORCES OF NATURE DOWN INTO TWO: 6. When an electron is in close proximity to the nucleus, it would basically generate a 360 degree spherical magnetic field. 7. Like charged protons would stick together inside of this magnetic field, while simultaneously repelling opposite charged electrons inside this magnetic field, while simultaneously attracting the opposite charged electrons across the inner portion of the electron's moving magnetic field. 8. There are probably no such thing as "gluons" in actual reality. 9. The strong nuclear force and the weak nuclear force are probably derivatives of the electro-magnetic field interactions between electrons and protons. 10. The nucleus is probably an electro-magnetic field boundary. 11. Quarks also supposedly have a charge to them and then would also most likely have electro-magnetic fields associated with them, possibly a different arrangement for each of the six different type of quarks. 12. The interactions between the quarks EM forces are how and why protons and neutrons formulate as well as how and why protons and neutrons stay inside of the nucleus and do not just pass through as neutrinos do. THE GEM FORCE INTERACTIONS AND QUANTA: 13. Personally, I currently believe that the directional force in photons is "gravity". It's the force that makes the sine wave of EM energy go from a wide (maximum extension) to a point (minimum extension) of a moving photon and acts 90 degrees to the EM forces which act 90 degrees to each other. When the EM gets to maximum extension, "gravity" flips and EM goes to minimum, then "gravity" flips and goes back to maximum, etc, etc. A stationary photon would pulse from it's maximum extension to a point possibly even too small to detect, then back to maximum, etc, etc. 14. I also believe that a pulsating, swirling singularity (which is basically a pulsating, swirling 'gem' photon) is the energy unit in this universe. 15. When these pulsating, swirling energy units interact with other energy units, they tangle together and can interlock at times. Various shapes (strings, spheres, whatever) might be formed, which then create sub-atomic material, atoms, molecules, and everything in existence in this universe. 16. When the energy units unite and interlock together they would tend to stabilize and vibrate. 17. I believe there is probably a Photonic Theory Of The Atomic Structure. 18. Everything is basically "light" (photons) in a universe entirely filled with "light" (photons). THE MAGNETIC FORCE SPECIFICALLY: 19. When the electron with it's associated magnetic field goes around the proton with it's associated magnetic field, internal and external energy oscillations are set up. 20. When more than one atom is involved, and these energy frequencies align, they add together, specifically the magnetic field frequency. 21. I currently believe that this is where a line of flux originates from, aligned magnetic field frequencies. NOTES: 22. The Earth can be looked at as being a massive singular interacting photon with it's magnetic field, electrical surface field, and gravity, all three photonic forces all being 90 degrees from each other. 23. The flat spiral galaxy can be looked at as being a massive singular interacting photon with it's magnetic fields on each side of the plane of matter, the electrical field along the plane of matter, and gravity being directed towards the galactic center's black hole where the gravitational forces would meet, all three photonic forces all being 90 degrees from each other. 24. As below in the singularity, as above in the galaxy and probably universe as well. 25. I believe there are only two forces of nature, Gravity and EM, (GEM). Due to the stability of the GEM with the energy unit, this is also why the forces of nature haven't evolved by now. Of which with the current theory of understanding, how come the forces of nature haven't evolved by now since the original conditions acting upon the singularity aren't acting upon them like they originally were, billions of years have supposedly elapsed, in a universe that continues to expand and cool, with energy that could not be created nor destroyed would be getting less and less dense? My theory would seem to make more sense if in fact it is really true. I really wonder if it is in fact really true. 26. And the universe would be expanding due to these pulsating and interacting energy units and would also allow galaxies to collide, of which, how could galaxies ever collide if they are all speeding away from each other like is currently taught? DISCLAIMER: 27. As I as well as all of humanity truly do not know what we do not know, the above certainly could be wrong. It would have to be proved or disproved to know for more certainty.

@@G_Rangaraj Here is the test for the 'gravity' portion of my TOE idea. I do not have the necessary resources to do the test but maybe you or someone else reading this does, will do the test, then tell the world what is found out either way. a. Imagine a 12 hour clock. b. Put a magnetic field across from the 3 to 9 o'clock positions. c. Put an electric field across from the 6 to 12 o'clock positions. (The magnetic field and electric field would be 90 degrees to each other and should be polarized so as to complement each other.) d. Shoot a high powered laser through the center of the clock at 90 degrees to the em fields. e. Do this with the em fields on and off. (The em fields could be varied in size, strength, density and depth. The intent would be to energy frequency match the laser and em fields for optimal results.) f. Look for any gravitational / anti-gravitational effects. (Including the utilization of ferro cells so as to be able to actually see the energy field movements.) (And note: if done right, it's possible a mini gravitational black hole might form. Be ready for it. In addition, it's possible a neutrino might be formed before the black hole stage, the neutrino being a substance with a very high gravitational modality with very low 'em' modalities.) (An alternative to the above would be to shoot 3 high powered lasers, or a single high powered laser split into 3 beams, each adjustable to achieve the above set up, all focused upon a single point in space.) 'If' effects are noted, 'then' further research could be done. 'If' effects are not noted, 'then' my latest TOE idea is wrong. But still, we would know what 'gravity' was not, which is still something in the scientific world. Science still wins either way and moves forward.

@@milap.1616 "IF" my TOE is correct, then the 'gem' photon is the energy unit of this universe that makes up everything in existence in this universe, including space and time (space being energy itself and time being the flow of energy), as well as numbers and constants for math to do what math does in this existence. Here is a copy and paste from my files of a part of my conversation with another individual concerning 'cause and effect', potentially showing how the 'gem' photon is it's own self causal effect, and hence, truly eternally existent. I can clearly see what you are saying about the effect of a cause in itself may be a cause for a later effect. And in that regard, yes it could be seen as being the same. But a 'cause' usually comes before an 'effect'. And in that context, if something never ever changes, the cause brings about an effect (no change) which in itself is a cause (no change) which then brings about an effect (no change),......., and both the cause and effect are identical and no change occurs. But now, if some state of existence changes somewhere in the process, either via a cause that is not identical to the effect or an effect that is not identical to a cause, then change occurs. But for a change to occur that causes some later effect still puts a cause before an effect. One total state of existence changing to bring about another total but different state of existence. Logically speaking, I can't see how one could have a different state of existence (effect) from a previous state of existence that was not identical (cause) to bring about the later different state of existence. And sure, that later effect might possibly be the cause to future effects and so on and so forth and possibly life happens and evolves in a cause/effect/cause/effect.... kind of way. And in essence, 'if' for example my latest theory of everything is really true, that the pulsating, swirling 'gem' photon is the basic energy unit of this universe that brings about everything in this universe, including even numbers themselves for math to do what math does, a singular energy unit with 3 different modalities, each modality acting 90 degrees from the other two, while the basic structure of the 'gem' photon itself never changes, it's the interaction with other 'gem' photons in existence whereby other future effects occur in a cause and effect kind of way. And sure, later effects become the cause of later effects and so on and so forth. But the pulsating, swirling 'gem' photons themselves would eternally exist as they themselves make up space and time itself. Eternally the same, but yet interactions with other like 'gem' photons brings about change. (But I fully acknowledge that this TOE idea is dependent upon the results of my gravity test.) But in the context of this discussion, it is a possibility at this time of how reality truly is. In essence, the basic pulsating, swirling 'gem' photon would be both the 'cause' and the 'effect' all contained within itself and in that context, both the 'cause' and 'effect' would be identical. * Added note: The universe ALWAYS existed in some form and did not have a beginning, nor might it ever end. The creation accounts in the Bible and other religion's belief systems, as well as the singular 'big bang' theory, are all just fairy tales. The 'gem' photon would be it's own self causal effect, and hence, eternally existent.

sometimes a sign of quality

Yeah..

No way there more channels like this

What does "underrated" mean to you exactly? Yeah. Everyone's definitely rating this channel too low. So low he's being paid money by a business to do their ad reads. 🙄

@@cwtrain I am talking about subs and views

I can't see what "free will" is even supposed to mean

@@PlebstersPictionary Are you allowed to think that?

@DECLAN DOUGAN That hasnt been demonstrated yet. The task basically started with the ancient Greek thinkers 2,500 years ago who formulated the Mind-Body problem. There really hasnt been any progress since. The hard problem of consciousness remains unresolved. Plenty of work to do I'm afraid Mr Dougan

​@DECLAN DOUGAN You can say that about many things. Can you say that about consciousness and awareness? Determinism is not something written in stone. It took full flight after the work of Newton and Lagrange who were able to mathematically predict the future and the past of a body if parameters such as position and momentum are known. (in the case of Lagrange, it was the principle of least action that was applied and the same predictions are arrived at). At we know Newtonian or Classical physics became a limited theory when General Relativity and Quantum Physics emerged in the early 20th century. People often confuse Quantum Physics as a non deterministic theory. The Shroedinger Wave Function is not a non-deterministic equation. In fact it's a deterministic relationship and is the main equation used in Quantum Mechanical systems. If there is no free will, then how are all events pre-determined? Does that mean that a creator is required? Then the question arises: Does the creator have free will? If so, why would He/She/It create a universe with mindless automata that have their entire future already set out for them?

Purposes, goals, targets, intentions, aims or objectives -- teleology or syntropy (agency). Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy). Syntropy (prediction, projection) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics! All observers track targets, goals -- teleology. Thinking or rational thought is a syntropic process resulting in optimized predictions! "Through imagination and reason we turn experience into foresight (prediction)" -- Spinoza describing syntropy.

Good question. I think Roger Penrose believes that. I am not convinced QM would explain decision making at the macro scale. I think if free will exists, then there is probably some other mechanism to explain it. But I remain open to being convinced otherwise.

@@ArvinAsh Yeah I'm not sure either, but it really makes you wonder. One might think quantum effects would be bottom-up since they originate on such a small scale, but since quantum physics is inherently non-local and in some sense holistic, perhaps it can embody top-down processes as well. It's also exciting that they're finding evidence of quantum effects playing a key role in photosynthesis and possibly other biological processes. Who knows where that line of research will lead ;)

Purposes, goals, targets, intentions, aims or objectives -- teleology or syntropy (agency). Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy). Syntropy (prediction, projection) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics! All observers track targets, goals -- teleology. Thinking or rational thought is a syntropic process resulting in optimized predictions! "Through imagination and reason we turn experience into foresight (prediction)" -- Spinoza describing syntropy.

it probably means that you're spending too much time on yt

Yup

Yeah, it's philosophically coherent, and so elegant that I am suspicious. ;-)

@@bsadewitz and it actually agrees with the science

Sp0ns0rBlock gives me more free time!

Purposes, goals, targets, intentions, aims or objectives -- teleology or syntropy (agency). Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy). Syntropy (prediction, projection) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics! All observers track targets, goals -- teleology. Thinking or rational thought is a syntropic process resulting in optimized predictions! "Through imagination and reason we turn experience into foresight (prediction)" -- Spinoza describing syntropy.

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Efficient use of energy appears to be a driving force in evolution. As Philip Ball points out, I don't think this is dependent on brain complexity. Pretty much any biological entity is driven by it, or so it appears. The deeper mechanism is perhaps efficient use of energy - thermodynamics. There appears to be some evidence of this based on some recent papers. Great questions!

Purposes, goals, targets, intentions, aims or objectives -- teleology or syntropy (agency). Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy). Syntropy (prediction, projection) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics! All observers track targets, goals -- teleology. Thinking or rational thought is a syntropic process resulting in optimized predictions! "Through imagination and reason we turn experience into foresight (prediction)" -- Spinoza describing syntropy.

or maybe that system of yours is more aware of the world than you first thought? is that possible?

@@zanly5039 haha maybe

Purposes, goals, targets, intentions, aims or objectives -- teleology or syntropy (agency). Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy). Syntropy (prediction, projection) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics! All observers track targets, goals -- teleology. Thinking or rational thought is a syntropic process resulting in optimized predictions! "Through imagination and reason we turn experience into foresight (prediction)" -- Spinoza describing syntropy.

Hardly.

The macrophages and the other morphs in that clip are chemical "magnets." (Magnets = attraction and repulsion; "smelling".) _Trial and error_ -- on the scale of iterations of combinations of "magnets" (and disparate termination of trendlines [natural selection]) -- sorted the _attraction and repulsion_ chain reactions (e.g apparent "chasing") that one sees.

I agree, the similarities are striking.

Haha. Thanks for the compliment. I actually enjoy long road trips!

This exact thought occurred to me when I was on acid once

What's the point of having a consciousness then if all the decisions are made outside of it?

‽ You start by saying “we do basically have free will” but then give a good explanation of how we don’t. Free will means being able to choose something different. To use your voting example, it would mean that in the voting booth I could vote for one candidate but, if we rewind the universe to just before the point where I vote, I could vote for a different candidate. Obviously no matter how many times the universe gets rewound I’m always going to vote exactly the same way. And that’s nothing special about voting, that goes for any and every choice made.

@@jpe1 your only arguing against maximal autonomy which isn't free will...

@@Tzimiskes3506 are you saying that free will is not what I described? How do you define free will?

Some people have joined Arvinash by giving money.... they get early acess to videos

Patreon and KZfaq members of the channel have early access.

Is becoming "alive" a choice that living things have?

Good question. I don't know. My guess would be that this process would not be like a computer. Because so many parts of the brain work together in unison, I'm not sure you could so selectively activate one area of brain functioning, while tuning out the rest.

Reading context is necessarily selective, and so is an act of agency driven by our will. If only we could choose what we will then we would have true agency.

Purposes, goals, targets, intentions, aims or objectives -- teleology or syntropy (agency). Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy). Syntropy (prediction, projection) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics! All observers track targets, goals -- teleology. Thinking or rational thought is a syntropic process resulting in optimized predictions! "Through imagination and reason we turn experience into foresight (prediction)" -- Spinoza describing syntropy.

Yes, this was a long essay-style definition of the concept of "agency."

your brain is controlled by external forces to make to think you have free will

@@vaibhavbv3409 okay I won't watch it then.

@@Gigatless your brain is just controlled by external forces (like my reply) to make you not watch it. Now where is free will lol?

@@vaibhavbv3409 that statement is hollow. It disregards the fact that out brain is extremely complex and not only being affected by external factors.

@@Gigatless If there was free will, there will be many immortal people

Yes, I believe that's what Phil point was in that segment of the video. But I think larger animals, it is not so easy to reduce every action to purely physical processes.

@@ArvinAsh Sure enough, we are not exclusively based on mechanical behaviour, but a lot of the human mind is developing into " If --> then " conditions. Many reactions are hardwired, eg the amygdala, the centre for fear, is closer to the brocca area in female patients, therefore women scream more frequently under fear. It seems what we refer to as "personality" or "soul" is a decider. Something that gives different experiences different gravity and compares multiple outcomes.

I don't think the word "tendency" would do the phenomena justice. It's more than just tendency. This is perhaps one step lower than free will - but biological systems appear to do more than just what DNA programming or pure physics would predict.

Purposes, goals, targets, intentions, aims or objectives -- teleology or syntropy (agency). Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy). Syntropy (prediction, projection) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics! All observers track targets, goals -- teleology. Thinking or rational thought is a syntropic process!

Tendency implies Choice .. that implies a choice between options of Agency. You may not like the words but the logic is clear,

I take by creationism you refer to the supernatural creation of life and not the big bang yes?

Why? You have such a short time on earth anyway. And you'll never get it again. Why not use it enjoy yourself, or make life better for others?

That there necessarily _would be_ a depth of my insight that could only force my suicide is theoretical. I should have specified that. Even so, I _do_ believe that suicide (as it occurs in _this_ world) isn't always a choice. Indeed, I believe that in most cases it isn't.

@@somethingyousaid5059 And that's why there's a lot of weirdos in a world get interested in Sanatana Dharma and Kundalini awakening. Self sacrifice, elimination of Ego, cutting off own identity, limited consciousness, thoughts and emotions. Symbol - headless Goddess Chinamasta who's dead but alive. Its when you cannot kill yourself physically because you be thrown back to Samsara - Reincarnation only to painfully repeat the cycle, but kill your Ego, self identity to stop further reincarnations, based on karma. Suicide at universal proportions.