Do Hadiths Show That the Quran is Missing Verses? | Dr. Shabir Ally

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4 жыл бұрын

A viewer asks, “How do you account for hadiths which show that some sections of the Quran revealed to the Prophet Muhammad were left out of the final version that Uthman codified?” Dr. Shabir Ally responds.
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@theReformer2210
@theReformer2210 3 жыл бұрын
How can the Qur'an miss out on any verses when Allah himself has taken it upon Himself to protect it after revealing it? It is stated in the Qur'an that for every verse abrogated, it is either replaced with equivalent or better verse clearlybsignifying that the total number of verses with or without abrogation would be SAME! The verses of abrogation are clearly mentioned in most cases in Sahi ahadeeth, and even during the compilation of the Qur'an, a Sahi hadith mentions they were not able to find one last verse, then every one started looking for it and eventually found and included it! Plus the greatest source of transmission of the Qur'an alongside written manuscripts was from memory because Arabs had superb memory! It was only upon the martyrdom of many Quranic memorizers that Umar(R.A) coerced Abu-Bakr (R.A) to compile the Qur'an in written form and this was standardized to a singular recitation in times of Usman(R.A). Plus, the words, "this day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed my favour on to you, and chosen Islam as religion for you" should end the debate! This implies the Qur'an is complete and not missing out any verses except those that were abrogated and replaced without decreasing the number of verses whatsoever! And Allah knows best!
@Masternaldo
@Masternaldo 3 жыл бұрын
@Sage of Synergism then the question you'll ask is why can't Allah reveal better verses than the ones we already have right??
@umarulhaqanas4247
@umarulhaqanas4247 3 жыл бұрын
@Sage of Synergism better verses doesn't literally mean the previous was bad it means that the new verses suit the future my brother
@hadster016
@hadster016 3 жыл бұрын
Where is this earliest script which was compiled? Where's the copy kept?
@gilangzaidan8454
@gilangzaidan8454 2 жыл бұрын
@Sage of Synergism because some verses are only meant for specific people and time
@Revolt_west
@Revolt_west 2 жыл бұрын
The Quran originated from the creator. Allah SWT uttered it, so its original appearance and its beginning was from Allah. Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said: The early generations said: The Qur’an is the word of Allah that was revealed and is not created. And they said that He speaks when He wills. Then they explained that the words of Allah are eternal, meaning that the divine attribute of speech is eternal.Not one of them said that any particular words of His are eternal, and not one of them said that the Qur’an is eternal.Rather they said that it is the word of Allah; it was revealed and is not created. As Allah uttered the Qur’an by His will, the Qur’an is His word, and it was revealed from Him and not created, yet despite that it is not eternal as Allah is eternal, even though Allah has the attribute of speech and speaks whenever He wills. So the attribute of speech is eternal (and part of His essence). Whoever understands the words of the early generations and sees the subtle differences between the various statements will no longer have any doubt about these difficult issues that many people are confused about. End quote from Majmoo‘ al-Fataawa (12/54)
@pejuangdunia3431
@pejuangdunia3431 3 жыл бұрын
Interviewed by his daughter . May Allah give His blessing upon us all.
@Revelation22.13
@Revelation22.13 4 жыл бұрын
how can you abrogate the Eternal uncreated Word of Allah?
@adz1097
@adz1097 4 жыл бұрын
its a different abrogration. so it can allow something and later the rule comes in proper eg says dont come to prayer while drunk then says not allowed to drink. its in stages. others are stuff that r no longer needed such as some supplication we have today isnt compiled in the quran
@umartyson3723
@umartyson3723 4 жыл бұрын
@@infinityApologeticsClips 🤦🤦 Not changing minds it's some rules of one time only That's not Qur'an verses it's god's order for one time Thing then God ordered Prophet Muhammad to not put this verses in the Qur'an
@peterusakah1966
@peterusakah1966 4 жыл бұрын
@@adz1097 Your argument is not tenable, at least both verses permitting and prohibiting the consumption of alcohol are in the quran. Abrogation does not mean to expunge or delete the text. You have a conundrum you cannot resolve.
@peterusakah1966
@peterusakah1966 4 жыл бұрын
@Jesus is not The son of GOD The quran says it a clear book, i do not need to ask anybody anything, unless you disagree that the quran is a clear book.
@pr7049
@pr7049 4 жыл бұрын
@Jesus is not The son of GOD kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d7SfaceJyJjNXWQ.html
@monikabenay2196
@monikabenay2196 4 жыл бұрын
Ok so the argument goes: 1. Hadiths of missing verses exist. 2. Classical scholars explain this by abrogation (only the final version of the Quran counts). 3. Abrogation is mentioned in the Quran. 4. Modern perspective: “abrogations complicated and unnecessary” (John Burton: Muslims invented abrogations later, but the “Muslims on the scene would deny the idea that verses were revealed and then abrogated). 5. Abrogations not acceptable because there is no physical evidence of missing verses. 6. No reason to believe the “missing verses at all” 7. Collection of the Quran was done in public space - so the Quran is not missing anything. Ok - so we mixed up the concepts of abrogations and missing verses - and STILL - the question of why the Hadith contains the stories about the missing verses - is unanswered. In ADDITION - denying the abrogation goes directly against the mentions of the abrogation in the Quran. So - is dr. Ally implying that the abrogation verses were I included in the Quran later?? Just like the Hadith stories? ..... I have listened this recording several times - and it occurs to me that a lot has been said here - only to cover up that there is no answer.... 😐
@mohammedkhan1038
@mohammedkhan1038 4 жыл бұрын
So you have verified the hadith's?
@monikabenay2196
@monikabenay2196 4 жыл бұрын
Mohammed Khan I’m not sure what you mean - the Hadiths can not be verified. These days, when the Hadiths are easily accessible to all - the self-contradictory nature of the Hadith can not be reasonably denied. What I see the Muslim apologists doing is saying “well, we need to distinguish the true Hadith from the false Hadith - and the WAY to do it is to, first, look for the compliance with the Quran and then, next, look of the Hadith paint Muhammad in the positive light - because- Muhammad could not have done any of those terrible and crazy stuff that he is described doing in the Hadith”. So that is the reasoning - but to refuse the Hadiths based on that you don’t like what it says - is dishonest and harmful. In reality - we just simply don’t know which Hadith is true - or, even - we don’t know if Muhammad considered himself a prophet - or he is more like a legendary figure - a religious “Robin Hood” - a myth of a great man based on an ordinary human being. That myth emerged generations after Muhammad lived- around 200 years later. Anyway - I can keep on talking about how dr, Ally’s argument uses fallacious logic to prove his argument - let me know if you’re interested - otherwise I write too much
@mohammedkhan1038
@mohammedkhan1038 4 жыл бұрын
@@monikabenay2196 you are entitled to believe whatever you want...
@monikabenay2196
@monikabenay2196 4 жыл бұрын
Mohammed Khan we are ALL entitled to believe what we want - the question is: are we willing to investigate in accordance to reason - or in accordance to what is dear to us - with disregard to reason.
@mohammedkhan1038
@mohammedkhan1038 4 жыл бұрын
@@monikabenay2196 yes and whether we have a pre fabricated view and want to enforce it upon others by not viewing the full picture. Or maybe we don't want people to know the truth because that would mean that we might have to follow certain rules which goes against our whim's and desires. Or maybe because we are jealous of the 7th century goat and camel herder who has more than 1.7 billion followers around the world. Who knows...
@JeremyDavidsonTheMuslimRevert
@JeremyDavidsonTheMuslimRevert 4 жыл бұрын
I am glad Shabbir Ali is at least approaching these topics lately (i.e. tahrif, qira'at, ahruf, etc.) whereas most other scholars think the solution is sweeping it under the rug to hide their years of deception, while Muslims and non-Muslims alike have to hear about these topics from David wood, etc. (mind you, a bit more skewed than it should be).
@pr7049
@pr7049 4 жыл бұрын
Please watch scolars of islam explain kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d7SfaceJyJjNXWQ.html
@pr7049
@pr7049 4 жыл бұрын
@B. S. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d7SfaceJyJjNXWQ.html
@pr7049
@pr7049 4 жыл бұрын
@HB Net kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d7SfaceJyJjNXWQ.html
@drs2969
@drs2969 3 жыл бұрын
How is it deception if it's openly stated within the books? Books anybody can access and read for themselves...
@Zebhammer
@Zebhammer 3 жыл бұрын
Islamophobe I presume is someone who dares to criticise Islam? The lie for centuries is that the Quran is perfectly preserved. After all Allah promised to preserve it, surah 15.9. Your teachers, like Dr Ali, have been peddling this nonsense for years and most continue to do so. It has been pointed out so clearly by non Muslim scholars, and yes, by KZfaqrs like David Wood, that it is now agreed the traditional narrative has holes in it. At least by Yasir Quadi and Dr Ali. And who can blame them. The lie is fully exposed. "The emperor is on the altogether, the altogether, as naked as the day that he was born"... bit of Hans Christian Anderson in there for you. Even at the end Dr Ali gave the impression that that there are many scripts preserved from the 1st century of Islam. At best they are early 7th to mid 7th century, a hundred years or more after Muhammad's first revelations. Even the Birmingham scraps are pre-Islamic stories included in the Quran. Their carbon dating ranges from pre Muhammad to late in the 6th century. The carbon dating does not tell us when it was written, only how old the paper is.. Sheepgate, Sunan ibn Majah vol3, book 9, 1944 is hssan, good, and is 'acceptable' to hadith scholars. Some even include them as a lesser sahih. So, Dr Ali is a pick-and-choose your hadith man, or is heading for the Quran-only position in Islam perhaps?
@ChasinOneTwelve
@ChasinOneTwelve 3 жыл бұрын
Dr Shabir is one of the coolest guys on the planet. God bless him
@servantofjesus9642
@servantofjesus9642 3 жыл бұрын
As CP says: He's a "botato"
@keyazabin2308
@keyazabin2308 3 жыл бұрын
@@servantofjesus9642 😂
@gerhardvisagie8399
@gerhardvisagie8399 3 жыл бұрын
“Cool”? Rather “cold”.
@gerhardvisagie8399
@gerhardvisagie8399 3 жыл бұрын
I think the goat was pretty cool! It abrogated the Quaran, it abrogated the “prophet’s” life and now it is abrogating Islam.
@Iamthewarner557
@Iamthewarner557 3 жыл бұрын
@@gerhardvisagie8399 👉God Almighty speaks to the Mankind: *This then is, Allah, your Lord; there is no deity but He is the Creator of everything : so worship Him alone, for He is the Guardian of all things, No sight can comprehend Him but He comprehends all sorts of sight, for He is All-Comprehensive and All-Aware.* Quran 6 (102-103) *“How can you disbelieve in Allah Seeing that you were dead and He gave you life. Then He will give you death, then again will bring you to life and then unto Him you will return.”* Quran (2:28) *And Allah has brought you out from the wombs of your mothers while you know nothing. And He gave you hearing👂, sight👁, and hearts❤ that you might give thanks (to Allah)."* Quran (16:78) 👉God Almighty says to the Mankind, Say(O Prophet), *“Allah gives you life, then causes you to die, then He will assemble you on the Day of Resurrection about which there is no doubt.”* Quran (45:26) *Allah is our creator.* *Worship only Allah without any partners.* *There is no God but Allah and Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) is his Last and Final Messanger.*
@majdshhade4925
@majdshhade4925 Жыл бұрын
Im confused, so the hadith about aysha and the goat he would just classify as not sahih? But isnt aysha one of the best narrators for hadith?
@lab5754
@lab5754 Жыл бұрын
It has a bad chain of narration im pretty sure
@SwordofAllah1234
@SwordofAllah1234 5 ай бұрын
​@@lab5754Ayesha ra lost the copy doesn't mean others too lost
@hahaloser3914
@hahaloser3914 4 ай бұрын
@@SwordofAllah1234 the papper got eaten up and it was a weak hadith due to having a bad chain
@JUNAID187
@JUNAID187 2 ай бұрын
​@@hahaloser3914 Da‘if grade hadith is considered weak, Sunan Ibn Maiah 1944 is considered Hasan grade hadith globally (accepted/authentic) and as Sunni Muslims we cannot reject authentic grade hadith otherwise you are considered a quranist Muslim. You cannot cherry pick from authentic hadith, only da'if hadith.
@fluxnekta
@fluxnekta 2 ай бұрын
@@SwordofAllah1234but the bible is corrupted ? 😂😂😂😂😂double mouths people
@nickah1
@nickah1 2 жыл бұрын
The only thing that I think that is missing from this conversation is that the Quran isn’t abrogating itself like some claim, but I’m fact is abrogating previous corrupted Books of Revelation (hence the the heavy focus on Jewish and Christian themes). The Quran confirms what is still correct in the previous Books and corrects what is not correct in the previous Books. This understanding of abrogation makes infinitely more sense.
@georgeolawale2777
@georgeolawale2777 2 жыл бұрын
You are one of the most senseful in the universe.. So simple as that, the Quran can never abrogate itself.
@shuvra73
@shuvra73 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed! 🙂
@shuvra73
@shuvra73 2 жыл бұрын
Dear brothers Nicolas and George, thanks for your insightful comments! I'll request you to visit the 'Marvelous Quran' YT channel. If you already have visited, then I'll request you to join the MQ community for logical and meaningful discussion.
@gondala
@gondala Жыл бұрын
you knew right? that prophet who receive revelation might deliver such abrogation to his people (with some conditions)? In quran it is clearly say that the prophet is sent by God among their own people? So, it is completely wrong if prophet muhammad would bring such abrogation to the laws in Torah, because prophet muhammad is not Jews' prophet, and prophet muhammad himself doesn't speak hibrew? Just think, to ask those Jews' to follow prophet muhammad is difficult task, but you think prophet muhammad had abrogated some law in Torah? are you kidding? I mean, who's going to believe him? If God wants to abrogate some laws in Torah then He will sent down the prophet among their own people so this prophet would recite and read their Torah and teach the Torah.
@twitjunkie6007
@twitjunkie6007 Жыл бұрын
That would be racism from the God to send the prophet to the same group again.
@zeeshawn15
@zeeshawn15 3 жыл бұрын
Dr. Shabir is the best I know in today's time to explain narratives of Islamic History
@johnnygelin8391
@johnnygelin8391 6 ай бұрын
Best in Taqiyya, you mean? Yes, probably
@JavierDerteano
@JavierDerteano 4 жыл бұрын
So why if the Ayats that weren't necessary were taken away we have some ayas in the actual Quran that are no longer valid bc there is a newer one replacing it. For example in the case of the alcohol prohibition and so on.
@jarrahaq7911
@jarrahaq7911 3 жыл бұрын
I think there is wisdom for that too, because it shows that when you want to change specific culture, then it has to be a gradual change. For example, this is why you have to be lenient with new converts and do not force changes so quickly.
@abdullahk9606
@abdullahk9606 3 жыл бұрын
They are valid. If you drink alcohol today, don't approach prayer whilst drunk.
@Menzobarrenza
@Menzobarrenza 3 жыл бұрын
@@abdullahk9606 It's more that 2 of the verses discourage, but still allow, drinking, and the 3rd (and newest) verse completely prohibits drinking.
@abdullahk9606
@abdullahk9606 3 жыл бұрын
@@Menzobarrenza give me all 3 verses and I'll explain
@kimballbeard691
@kimballbeard691 Жыл бұрын
I learn much from his videos. Thank you.
@oliverbenis
@oliverbenis 3 жыл бұрын
YQ advised that the Standard Narrative has holes in it.
@theman8070
@theman8070 3 жыл бұрын
That's my man YQ the great.. 😂😂😂😂💟💟 check yr roof if there is any holes. 😂😂😂
@gloriagloria5377
@gloriagloria5377 3 жыл бұрын
Oliver Denis They have to cover the holes as much as they can now.
@ErikDIto
@ErikDIto 3 жыл бұрын
He was corrected
@MrStyle-sr1yv
@MrStyle-sr1yv Жыл бұрын
Can you show us the holes ?
@oliverbenis
@oliverbenis Жыл бұрын
Please watch Pfander films channel for the various holes.
@hewadsaad1378
@hewadsaad1378 2 жыл бұрын
1:57 None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things? Quran 2:106 Allah here refers to previous revelation and not QURAN itself!!. the revelation came after one another. and Allah says we did not cause it to be forgotten or cancel it unless we reveal an equal or better than it. Quran is perfected and is without doubt, no verse of it is canceled by Allah or his Messenger. whatever is revealed to Prophet as, he did not keep it to himself but rather told us of it. he was not working in favor of himself to conceal a part of Quran and reveal other part. i.e in previous revelations(bible,Turah) it was told to them fast, in this revelation(Quran)we are told to fast, in previous revelation they were told to pray more than 5 times, in this revelation (Quran) we are told to pray only 5 time, in other revelations it is told to them to not take RIBBA(interest) in this revelation we are told to not take RIBBA aswell. why is it so hard to understand this.
@attiafatima9096
@attiafatima9096 2 жыл бұрын
well said
@xinobiee
@xinobiee 4 ай бұрын
Ye bro I was saying the same
@wk4799
@wk4799 4 ай бұрын
Ibn Kathir said this
@sparephone8228
@sparephone8228 3 жыл бұрын
The whole thing about vanished surah or verses is so silly, it makes a mockery of the idea of divine revelation. Good explanation from Dr Shabir. Can I point out also Umar Ibn Al Khatab introduced the Tarawi prayer in jamat. Did they not recite the entire Qur'aan in ramadan?
@sparephone8228
@sparephone8228 3 жыл бұрын
@Hisham Malik Why delete my reply ?
@sparephone8228
@sparephone8228 2 жыл бұрын
@@Nothing-rd9zh I have no idea how, but I know I have put comments and later someone seems to have deleted them.
@fluxnekta
@fluxnekta 2 ай бұрын
It makes mockery of divine revelation but the bible which is divinely the word of GOD been corrupt is not silly ! Double side guys 😂😂😂😂
@sparephone8228
@sparephone8228 2 ай бұрын
No idea what you are talking about. The text of the Qur'an is the same as it was 1400 years ago. Latest carbon dating if various manuscripts prove this. The discussion was whether verses of the Qur'an are supposedly abrogated, i e. they are not relevant as a legal injunction. Also as some salafis claim there were other verses which are not included in the Qur'an, e.g. stoning of an adulterer. But if you look at all the manuscripts from 1400 years ago, there is no evidence this for this.
@fluxnekta
@fluxnekta 2 ай бұрын
⁠you are slow , of course if Islam you guys won’t even see evidence even if it’s as big as Statue of Liberty ….right sure it’s the same since 1 million years now s ,the 200 reading and 400 differnt Quran’s are all the times allah came down to send same messge over and over again 😂😂😂
@user-dl5fb9ii1v
@user-dl5fb9ii1v 6 ай бұрын
Clarify my doubt: in Quran Allah answering to the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) based on the incident that happening on that time , then how it is relatable to us now???
@rafeequeahmed8240
@rafeequeahmed8240 3 жыл бұрын
Assalam alaikum, will anyone kindly clarify my doubt. Here it is WHAT IS CORRECT CORRECT WAY TO ADDRESS THE ALMIGHTY ALLAH or God. Please kindly advise
@pr7049
@pr7049 3 жыл бұрын
Please ask in Shamounian channel
@hahaloser3914
@hahaloser3914 4 ай бұрын
@@pr7049 your funny
@ghalibahmed6676
@ghalibahmed6676 3 жыл бұрын
The Qur’an was compiled during the life of the Prophet (S). The Prophet (S) said that he leaves behind for us the book of Allah (swt) and his progeny Ahlul Bayt (AS). He leaves behind what? The BOOK of Allah (swt). Let your rationality be your guide from here
@Akhi_Umar
@Akhi_Umar 2 жыл бұрын
And Allah also said “As for those who divide Their religion and break up into sects, thou hast no part in them in the least: Their affair is with Allah: He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did.” [Al-Qur’an 6:159] so ur little shia section doesn’t exist.
@hbsblkk3842
@hbsblkk3842 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, imo the Quran was compiled during the prophet’s life. All Quranic evidence points that way. The idea that it was written on animals bones etc and compiled after his death comes from Hadith written hundreds of years later. I know what I choose to believe.
@ohana_is_family
@ohana_is_family 3 жыл бұрын
So, when Muhammed died (AD 632) there were some individual note-takers and reciters who had memorised parts/whole. Then first Caliph Abu-Bakr compiled a quran because so many memorisers got killed that the future was at stake. Two Caliphs later Uthman around 650 AD noticed that the recitations had started diverging so much that he ordered a new Quran to be made and all others to be destroyed. Mainwhile all the tribes were waging war, conquering etc.. Uthman's successor was the first one accepted by Shias and the one who actually shipped the final Uthman Qurans, with reciters. The reciters were needed because the Uthman Qurans did not contain the diacritics needed to make sure which words were actually needed. These diacritics were not added until about thirty years later. Until then interpretations and recitations were up to the individual. Sounds messy rather than miraculous.
@madniv786
@madniv786 3 жыл бұрын
This is limitation of life of the world. In this world, we will always have issues. In 7th century, Humanity didn't have paper, computer, printers that we have today. They used hand write it using ink on parchments, goat skin, etc. Message of Qur'an was not distorted at all throughout all the periods, you won't find people disagreeing on any heavenly information about angels, their nature, life after death, what is needed to attain salvation, not to the minute details. Qur'an has been preserved since its revelation until this day and will be so forever. Perspective you're sharing is given by orientalists who want to make good thing look bad by quoting other issues and confusing masses. Throughout time after death of Prophet Muhammad, there were fightings as some fake Prophets erupted to take advantage but none of companions or followers disagreed on anything pertaining to Qur'an. Some difference in style of pronunciation between Arab tribes wasn't a big issue
@ohana_is_family
@ohana_is_family 3 жыл бұрын
@@madniv786 Thanks for your time/feedback/expertise. I guess after Muhammed died the succession was the biggest issue. It ended up with Shiite vs Sunni. Preservation will always be a hot item. If you try to claim you have the direct word of God your standards should be much higher. Not just "we did not differ in opinion" when even your hadiths say your ancestors fought over it.
@ghalibahmed6676
@ghalibahmed6676 3 жыл бұрын
Allah (swt) knew that the memorizers would be killed. So why didn’t He tell His messenger to compile the Quran? Why didn’t the Prophet (S) himself, or someone whom he trusted, compile the Quran during his lifetime? This is the final and most delicate revelation. How is it possible that it was not compiled by the prophet (S), or by someone under his supervision?
@eho6380
@eho6380 3 жыл бұрын
@@ghalibahmed6676 That's because Allah works in mysterious ways, he is not a human and does not operate that way. “What then does He who created (all), and He who is the knower of the subtleties - the Aware - not know (about His creations?)” Surah al-Mulk (67), Verse 14
@ghalibahmed6676
@ghalibahmed6676 3 жыл бұрын
@@eho6380 Allah (swt) does not operate and make decisions that go in line with and coincide with the intellect and rationality of the human being? Ya3ne if I were to tell you that there a was a Prophet of Allah (swt) who was not chosen by Him, and that it's because he works in mysterious ways, would you accept? Of course not. It does not make sense logically that Allah (swt) would not ensure that the Qur'an is compiled into a book before the Prophet's death. That's like you asking a Christian how God can be in human form and them going "well God works in mysterious ways". That's not a proper and coherent answer
@jeanwanchen1
@jeanwanchen1 3 жыл бұрын
You can’t discount those hadiths in Muslim and Bukhari. If they are so inauthentic, why would they be collected into Muslim and Bukhari?
@enduringwave87
@enduringwave87 3 жыл бұрын
as if BUkhari and Muslim used to get revelations from Gabriel that all of their collected narrations and ahadith are true. Come on. Bukhari Muslim were mere human beings. They were collecting oral narrations and for your knowledge There is almost a 500+ narrators conflict between Bukhari and his Pupil Muslim. 250+ some narrators which bukhari took narrations from, Muslim as his pupil rejected to take any hadith from those 250+. and same went with Muslim. Muslim took narrations from some 200+ narrators which Bukhari used to ignore and reject taking hadith from. Want some food for research? Research Ikrimah Al-Barbari. He was rejected by either bukhari or muslim and was taken up in high regards by the other. I am forgetting who rejected Ikrimah. You will know it when you do your homework.
@donaldmcronald8989
@donaldmcronald8989 3 жыл бұрын
@@enduringwave87 Every day is a school day, fella. Keep studying.
@autorefresher1
@autorefresher1 3 жыл бұрын
@Akil then are we to treat hadiths as divinely words then? Come on!
@OtcAyanokoji
@OtcAyanokoji 3 жыл бұрын
some are added and have been written da if on the side so that if anyone brings up that verse we can show them its weak
@BillyBullshitter
@BillyBullshitter 3 жыл бұрын
@@enduringwave87 exactly. The difference between quran and hadith is quran of the word of God, but hadith of the word of man. They are in opposite sides of the spectrum in that regard.
@pr7049
@pr7049 4 жыл бұрын
Also the surah Al-Ahzaad has lost 1️⃣2️⃣4️⃣ayas. It was as long as surah Al-Baqhara originally (As Suyuyat 1:2). So actually even more ayas were lost, that Mr. Ally said⚠️⚠️⚠️
@quiqui6178
@quiqui6178 3 жыл бұрын
What is suyuyat
@pr7049
@pr7049 3 жыл бұрын
@@quiqui6178 Scolar
@quiqui6178
@quiqui6178 3 жыл бұрын
@@pr7049 ?
@pr7049
@pr7049 Жыл бұрын
@Abdullah As Suyuyat is great scolar page 88: " Umar ibn Khattab narrated that Q had 1 027 000 letters". Over 70% has been lost.😌😌😌He is accepted both by sunni and shia😌😌😌
@pr7049
@pr7049 Жыл бұрын
@Abdullah Al-Qafi: "2/3 of Quran was lost". This is shia source and can be read in shia online library😌😌😌Also As Suyuyat is available there.
@zainykhan6643
@zainykhan6643 3 жыл бұрын
Allah takes the responsibility of quran that it will be in pure form and completed. with the evidence of some weak hadith you cannot doubt on quran.
@sajvealam1892
@sajvealam1892 2 жыл бұрын
Zainy khan Absolutely right bro agreed with you billions trillions times may Allah SWT guide all of us on the straight path always amen❤ love from India
@RJAamir
@RJAamir 3 жыл бұрын
One of the most modern, sensible, and laid-back preachers...
@idkbro4932
@idkbro4932 2 жыл бұрын
"modern"
@hahaloser3914
@hahaloser3914 4 ай бұрын
@@idkbro4932 he is preaching in this new era,that is what he meant
@idkbro4932
@idkbro4932 4 ай бұрын
@@hahaloser3914 but he is also contradicting Islam when he preaches to fit modern times values
@hahaloser3914
@hahaloser3914 4 ай бұрын
@@idkbro4932 what do you mean?
@hahaloser3914
@hahaloser3914 4 ай бұрын
@@idkbro4932 Thats not what the man meant, he said that he is one of the best preachers in this time
@TheGoogleScholar
@TheGoogleScholar 3 жыл бұрын
So has the quran eternally existed with the abrogated verses, or were the abrogated verses not eternally existent, meaning the quran was not always eternally existent? I’m confused on how that works...
@ohana_is_family
@ohana_is_family 3 жыл бұрын
Well the clay-tablets with Allah may just have been tipp-exed. From there on opinions are divided and there are human elements in the transmission. A relatively small sect like the Ahmaadiyya's belive abrogation does not exist. But most major schools believe in Abrogation. "With few exceptions, Islamic revelations do not state which Quranic verses or hadith have been abrogated, and Muslim exegetes and jurists have disagreed over which and how many hadith and verses of the Quran are recognized as abrogated,[6][7] with estimates varying from less than ten to over 500.[8][9]" So it is anybody's guess really.
@ohana_is_family
@ohana_is_family 3 жыл бұрын
Actually, it may be more like in animal farm where the pigs edit the commandments on the wall and the sheep bleat whatever the latest version is. The similarities are there. "No animal shall drink alcohol." to "No animal shall drink alcohol to excess."
@TheGoogleScholar
@TheGoogleScholar 3 жыл бұрын
@@ohana_is_family Aha, a wise scholar you are!
@ohana_is_family
@ohana_is_family 3 жыл бұрын
@Hisham Malik Does it matter?
@Revolt_west
@Revolt_west 2 жыл бұрын
You are correct. The Quran is not eternal. The Quran originated from the creator. Allah SWT uttered it, so its original appearance and its beginning was from Allah. Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said: The early generations said: The Qur’an is the word of Allah that was revealed and is not created. And they said that He speaks when He wills. Then they explained that the words of Allah are eternal, meaning that the divine attribute of speech is eternal. Not one of them said that any particular words of His are eternal, and not one of them said that the Qur’an is eternal.Rather they said that it is the word of Allah; it was revealed and is not created. As Allah uttered the Qur’an by His will, the Qur’an is His word, and it was revealed from Him and not created, yet despite that it is not eternal as Allah is eternal, even though Allah has the attribute of speech and speaks whenever He wills. So the attribute of speech is eternal (and part of His essence). Whoever understands the words of the early generations and sees the subtle differences between the various statements will no longer have any doubt about these difficult issues that many people are confused about. End quote from Majmoo‘ al-Fataawa (12/54)
@alangervasis
@alangervasis 3 жыл бұрын
How can allah abrogate parts of his eternal word?
@MD-zf9dp
@MD-zf9dp 3 жыл бұрын
Because Allah has perspective outside of past and future.
@alangervasis
@alangervasis 3 жыл бұрын
@@MD-zf9dp That doesn't make sense logically. If he wanted to save parts of quran he could have easily done it. Why reaveal thise verses in the first place. Seems like the whole "abrogation" theory was invented by later muslims in an desparate attempt to explain the lost verses of the quran.
@MD-zf9dp
@MD-zf9dp 3 жыл бұрын
@@alangervasis No you misunderstand. Things came in stages for a reason. When hadith contradicts that the quran is complete we simply reject the hadith. We don't follow the hadith and ignore the quran then panic about missing verses or say they are removed from the recitation but the ruling is still in place.
@alangervasis
@alangervasis 3 жыл бұрын
@@MD-zf9dp Don't beat around the bush. This is not a matter of contradiction. This is about the missing quran verses of stoning and breast feeding an adult which were recited during muhammad's time as evidenced by sahih hadiths.
@israfilangel8062
@israfilangel8062 3 жыл бұрын
@@alangervasis Oh now all of a sudden you went back to the same source to justify your claim from hadith which is the same source that speaks of abrogation and it is sahih! the one you quoted is not a sahih as shabir said Lol inconsistency at its best! if you say so then you must accept the abrogation hadith too which is not a theory!
@sweeyong7756
@sweeyong7756 4 жыл бұрын
i am curiois..if it is said that parts of the quran was eaten, do it not mean its imcomplete? what was on those eaten pages/missing pages. thank you kindly
@pr7049
@pr7049 4 жыл бұрын
Here it is. The ayas/verses of breastfeeding adult men 🔟times and stoning adulterers. The verses are lost but VALID in ruling. Please watch the reference: sunnah.com/urn/1262630 According Mohammed a strange man becomes a womans relative after 10 suckling sessions. In these sessions the man of house is away. It leads only to sexual arousal and adultery. This cannot be from god. 🤢🤢🤢
@pr7049
@pr7049 4 жыл бұрын
Please watch scolars explain Quran preservation kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d7SfaceJyJjNXWQ.html
@Plasma_07
@Plasma_07 4 жыл бұрын
@@pr7049 It is a weak hadith, you can watch Farid Responds, he made a video on that
@pr7049
@pr7049 4 жыл бұрын
@@Plasma_07 Hasan is good,it is not daif/weak. Even daif is accepted by highest scolars, but you and your tuber street boy knows best. He is like a teen doing reaction videos only. What is his scolarly degree⁉️⁉️⁉️ Do you not see how childish your game is⁉️⁉️⁉️Everyone can see trough it.
@ilj3168
@ilj3168 Ай бұрын
@@Plasma_07 Chapter: Breastfeeding an adult It was narrated that 'Aishah said: “The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed1, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.” Grade: Hasan (Darussalam) Reference : Sunan Ibn Majah 1944 In-book reference : Book 9, Hadith 100
@dradia1983
@dradia1983 Жыл бұрын
That goat hadith is an insult to our Holy Quran .
@anamericanmuslim6399
@anamericanmuslim6399 3 жыл бұрын
I would love to hear your clear and concise opinion on polygamy in relation to this idea of abrogation as there are 2 verses in the Qur'an that speak of polygamy and the first seems to make an allowance but the second seems to point to an impossibility of treating more than one wife equally with another....was the polygamy verse revealed for a specific period of time in your opinion and if so what is the evidence it was/wasn't?
@humzdon4life
@humzdon4life 2 жыл бұрын
Jealous smh
@missbizzy701
@missbizzy701 2 жыл бұрын
It’s a good question as I’ve came across a similar point and don’t actually know the answer lol, would be good to know
@missbizzy701
@missbizzy701 2 жыл бұрын
Nothing to do with jealousy it’s a genuine question
@stevelovesgod
@stevelovesgod Жыл бұрын
​@Muhammad Where does it say you needs your wife permission? Muhammad hijab said you can lie to your wife and get a 2nd. Muhammad wives begged him to treat them equally with Aiesha, he refused
@JUNAID187
@JUNAID187 2 ай бұрын
Polygamy outside of marriage is permissable as Muhammad pbuh stated that a man can with sleep with a woman his right hand possesses (slaves). However it is forbidden for women to enact on any form of polygamy nor can she be married to more than 1 partner at a time (4 for men)
@mouyasmousify
@mouyasmousify 4 жыл бұрын
Another way of seeing it is reading the word 'Aya' in the verse 106 of the second chapter as a sign or even miracle and not a verse of the Quran.
@shookreeseeree4
@shookreeseeree4 2 жыл бұрын
How is it possible for certain early verses be abrogated.. isn't Allah supposed to be All Knowing.. which verses will be valid for all times..n what about the supposed quran in Luh Mahfuz.. did it too had verses abrogated..
@moretune9759
@moretune9759 6 күн бұрын
As mentioned in QS 2:106 "We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allāh is over all things competent?" The revelation of Islam to the prophet is done gradually and not through dramatic shift. This allows people to adapt to changes naturally without feeling force.
@jaasdaan6018
@jaasdaan6018 3 жыл бұрын
Omg is this daughter father interview? Mashallah 🤩
@areehanoor1571
@areehanoor1571 2 жыл бұрын
Thankyou!
@Truth_Seeker1
@Truth_Seeker1 2 жыл бұрын
Does Dr ally believe one verse of the Quran abrogates another?
@truthmatters7573
@truthmatters7573 Жыл бұрын
What about Sahih Muslim 1691a? That talks about a verse which is missing but modern Muslims still rely on this missing verse as the basis for the punishment of stoning. Clearly the Quran is deficient if it omits verses that were never meant to be abrogated.
@xinobiee
@xinobiee 4 ай бұрын
Qur'an doesn't say it has been changed rather says how it has been preserved if i look close hadith of course is important and i don't reject them but for some hadiths when they contradict the word of the Quran like all of these following hadiths it can be written by haters or Muslim because there were both muslim and haters at that time so if these hadith contradict Quran why are we not following what has directly been revealed
@truthmatters7573
@truthmatters7573 4 ай бұрын
@@xinobieeThanks for your response. I don't think the argument that this hadith is false holds up in this case, because all major schools of interpretation rely on this Sahih Hadith to justify stoning as part of the Shariah. Also, if this Sahih Hadith is not Sahih, even though it passes all the same criteria as the other Sahih Hadiths, then the isnaads that support the Sunnah would have to be rejected as unreliable. I am forced to conclude that the Sunnah proves that the Quran has not been perfectly preserved.
@xinobiee
@xinobiee 4 ай бұрын
@@truthmatters7573 stoning of death doesn't contradict any verse of Quran but this is indeed in contradiction with the Quran we all know that Qur'an is much reliable than Hadith
@xinobiee
@xinobiee 4 ай бұрын
@@truthmatters7573 no one follows this one Indeed there is another Hadith about stoning of the adulterers in the Sahih hadiths SAHIH MUSLIM BOOK 17, HADITH NUMBER 4212. Chapter : Stoning to death of jews and other Dhimmis in case of adultery. Ibn Umar reported that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) stoned to death the Jews, both male and female, who had committed adultery. The Jews brought them to Allah’s Messenger (may peace he upon him).
@xinobiee
@xinobiee 4 ай бұрын
@@truthmatters7573 no one follows this one there is another Hadith which is Sahih and it is from Sahih Muslim book 17 number 4212
@necmettinmutlu306
@necmettinmutlu306 2 жыл бұрын
No abrogated verse in the Quran. That is illogical claim.
@jayre872
@jayre872 3 жыл бұрын
Then verse he is mentioning is talking about the previous revelations. Quran 2:105,106 these verses clarifies what Allah is saying. And it about the previous revelations.
@donrobertoni
@donrobertoni 2 жыл бұрын
I guess angel gabriel made a mistake initially. Otherwise why would you take it back. ? The doctrine of abrogation is silly.
@firstclicked9810
@firstclicked9810 3 жыл бұрын
Quran is in its original form. Nobody can change the ayats of Allah. Bal Hoowa Quranun majeedun fee lohim mafooz
@Thebibletime
@Thebibletime 2 жыл бұрын
Quran is the word of Muhammad sir and the demons that help him. The Quran was composed my Muhammad and he was never a true prophet but a false one. Muhammed himself edited a Quran verse and I don't want us to even go far how the Quran is not even complete. Read; Sahih bukhari 4990 Bukhari Vol6 book61 number 512 Quran 81:19 Quran 69:40
@yayasanbinarobbani9114
@yayasanbinarobbani9114 2 жыл бұрын
About a goat eating some verses of the Qur'an, Allah has already given the explanation: ۞ مَا نَنسَخْ مِنْ ءَايَةٍ أَوْ نُنسِهَا نَأْتِ بِخَيْرٍۢ مِّنْهَآ أَوْ مِثْلِهَآ ۗ أَلَمْ تَعْلَمْ أَنَّ ٱللَّهَ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَىْءٍۢ قَدِيرٌ ١٠٦ If We ever abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten, We replace it with a better or similar one. Do you not know that Allah is Most Capable of everything? (Al Baqarah 2: 106)
@homer1273
@homer1273 5 ай бұрын
The word Aya doesn’t mean “verse” it means sign or miracle. Allah gives miracles to prophets some have been forgotten and Allah gives same miracles or better
@walidelmasri1615
@walidelmasri1615 4 ай бұрын
@@homer1273aya could have many 2 meanings just like most of Arabic could have different meaning in different sentences. Leave this for the scholars to explain willsimp
@homer1273
@homer1273 4 ай бұрын
@@walidelmasri1615 the word Aya is always used in the Quran to mean sign or miracle. You don’t need to blindly depend on the opinions of so called “scholars” who have a bias
@homer1273
@homer1273 4 ай бұрын
@@walidelmasri1615 it’s also silly to believe Allah made his own Quran to be forgotten by it being eaten by a goat. Which would mean that no one in that time was memorising the Quran so that a simple goat can make the Quran verses get lost
@walidelmasri1615
@walidelmasri1615 4 ай бұрын
@@homer1273 the word ننسخ (we copy) refers to the word ‘Ayah’ in this verse being a verse not a sign. Doesn’t matter how these ayahs disappeared whether it was eaten by a goat or sheep. It is Allah swt that caused this to happen for reasoning or wisdom which we do not know. Part of our faith is believing in Allah swt wisdom and not question why something has happened.
@nijaydosslin4720
@nijaydosslin4720 13 күн бұрын
Wish someone does a project! Get 10 immams from different parts of the world and validate if they are able to recite the same stuff as others and without missing any word
@castelessaastik4655
@castelessaastik4655 2 жыл бұрын
Quran 13.39 says allah earses what he wills. So quran changeed
@hooman467
@hooman467 4 жыл бұрын
Arabic ting told me I look like Yousif look like Hamza, habibti please..ana wakiii :)
@adz1097
@adz1097 4 жыл бұрын
drake x headie oneee
@pr7049
@pr7049 4 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d7SfaceJyJjNXWQ.html
@truthmatters7573
@truthmatters7573 Жыл бұрын
What about the eternal Quran that is in heaven? How can Allah reveal Surat and ayat and then abrogate them when the Quran is Allah's eternal unchanging word?
@ariefsheik1716
@ariefsheik1716 Жыл бұрын
God can do what ever he wants.
@fahadiit9144
@fahadiit9144 11 ай бұрын
Who are you to question God
@truthmatters7573
@truthmatters7573 11 ай бұрын
@@fahadiit9144 I'm not questioning God, I'm questioning Islam. It doesn't make sense and I'm trying to understand. Maybe there is a good answer that will make it all make sense, but if you just ignore difficult questions then you will never learn. I'm asking critical questions sincerely. I know it's uncomfortable for you, but I suggest you also adopt this mindset, as it is really important to think critically. And if you think asking the question is wrong, perhaps the real problem is not the question, but the fact that you don't have a good answer. Ponder that for a minute.
@truthmatters7573
@truthmatters7573 11 ай бұрын
@@ariefsheik1716 So which version of the Quran is in Heaven? The abrogated one that we have today? The original one that was sent down? One of the many intermediate version? God can do whatever He wants, but He cannot do the logically impossible. The Quran cannot be both unchanging and eternal, but on the other hand be abrogated.
@fahadiit9144
@fahadiit9144 11 ай бұрын
@@truthmatters7573 Qur'an 2:106 there is your answer. Now bounce off
@DJ15EXY
@DJ15EXY 6 ай бұрын
The problem Shabir Ali seems to ignore is that if "Allah cause some verses to be forgotten..." then how some ppl remembered them? 😂 Ubayy, Aisha and others are clearly saying there were verses NOT included in the Qur'an. Some of those verses, even forgotten, were in practise until very recently like breastfeeding for adult and stoning. How they were forgotten or abrogated yet still in practise? Simple. Qur'an was compiled by Zaid ibn Tabit and Uthman aproved it in the way he wanted it. It was his decision. Then he destroyed all other variants.
@tranium67
@tranium67 2 ай бұрын
What do you mean they were in practise? And they were forgotten, if they could memorise them it wouldn’t have been lost now would it?
@nijaydosslin4720
@nijaydosslin4720 13 күн бұрын
@@tranium67 if I make 5 people who have memorized the Koran to recite. they all are missing some portions of the Koran
@michaelsohotra1336
@michaelsohotra1336 2 жыл бұрын
good but did that verse learn before eating by goat? because that was under the pillow ....
@Thebibletime
@Thebibletime 2 жыл бұрын
It was not learnt before eaten. Goat ate it. Holy goat
@ainbotham7162
@ainbotham7162 3 жыл бұрын
He just admit that some verses were eaten by goat 5:10 so it means goat ate the eternal word of allah . When david woods have said this no muslim believed at least now they will believe or i hope so ✌️
@user-ul3jh2dh8j
@user-ul3jh2dh8j 2 жыл бұрын
He didnt admit it 💀 he literally said "Such narratives are not the most authentic narratives in our tradition"
@jinaurora2469
@jinaurora2469 4 ай бұрын
He said its a weak hadith use your brain
@seealexrun7649
@seealexrun7649 2 ай бұрын
@@jinaurora2469it’s graded hasan
@jinaurora2469
@jinaurora2469 2 ай бұрын
@@seealexrun7649 in general if a hadith contradict another one its not valid this had been debunked many times everything happens with the will of God
@QuestForGood
@QuestForGood 2 ай бұрын
@@jinaurora2469What if two authentic hadith contradict each other?
@hayatullahrahmatzai9839
@hayatullahrahmatzai9839 4 жыл бұрын
What an important question and what a perfect answer!
@simonasare6948
@simonasare6948 3 жыл бұрын
Jesus said the holy spirit will come after him in his name. John 14:26. Quaran said is Ahmed or Mohammed. Do you think is Ahmed or Mohammed? Do you think quaran translation Ahmed is true translation? Was Jesus speaking in Arab to his disciples? Even Mohammed name even one is not in the bible but Jesus name is even more than Mohammed. Jesus was not referring to Mohammad but the holy spirit (John 14:26). SALVATION IS FROM ESRAEL (THE JEWS) NOT FROM ARAB (John 4:22)
@trying1407
@trying1407 3 жыл бұрын
@@simonasare6948 What are you implying?
@simonasare6948
@simonasare6948 3 жыл бұрын
@@trying1407 JESUS is Lord. Mohammed is dead.
@trying1407
@trying1407 3 жыл бұрын
@@simonasare6948 Alright? For us, God isn't dead. Muhammad (pbuh) isn't our god, but the last messenger and we are apart of his ummah. We don't need Muhammed to be alive. For us, jesus (pbuh) or Isa (pbuh) is also our messenger. God is one and only for us.
@simonasare6948
@simonasare6948 3 жыл бұрын
@@trying1407 How could a dead man be the last prophet. Jesus was referring to the holy spirit in his name not Mohammed to come after him. John 14:26.
@hahaloser3914
@hahaloser3914 4 ай бұрын
Thats a very weak hadith, cause it has a bad chain which is one of the biggest criteria of a aenhentic hadith ,during muhammad phub they prayed 50 times and then it got changed into 5 etc, I have heard it before but cant remeber, can someone explain it to me pls?
@Markan-lw9ip
@Markan-lw9ip 2 ай бұрын
Look videos about al isra wal miraj
@mansurhallaj8568
@mansurhallaj8568 5 күн бұрын
Yes, disturbing hadiths are fabricated, very soon we will see 'Jaif " aya of Quran😂
@believer1056
@believer1056 Жыл бұрын
What’s it with this answer I’m just more confused n
@patop6419
@patop6419 23 күн бұрын
It's caused to forget by Allah as miracles, it's stating in the Quran 2:106. Don't listen to these online speakers, they're not real schoolers, they only make confusions.
@Rivertowner
@Rivertowner Жыл бұрын
Stories damage the image of islam...many hadiths do the same...unfortunately...
@hassan_alb
@hassan_alb 11 ай бұрын
The story is fabricated and fake there is no such verse abt breastfeeding all the verses that we're sent to Muhammad pbuh are all written in the quran now today
@Russianroulette-rl6yl
@Russianroulette-rl6yl 5 күн бұрын
Islam has been damaged since Mohammad decide to spread his teaching with blood sheed.
@YaserAbuJibreel
@YaserAbuJibreel 4 жыл бұрын
Dr Sabeel and I try the LIVE format , so we don't have the luxury of such a polished presentation . We would love to reach out to bring Dr Shabir Ally on for several episodes . Thoughts ? Let's bring the 2 powerhouses of Dawah to together address some needs of the hour (Sh YQ issue possibly ?Lmk
@elsemorris906
@elsemorris906 Ай бұрын
Where in the quran are the verses about adult breastfeeding? They are among the missing verses in the quran. *It was narrated that 'Aishah said: “The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.” These verses were abrogated in recitation but not ruling. Other ahadith establish the number for fosterage to be 5* . Sunan Ibn Majah 3:9:1944
@farinafan7464
@farinafan7464 7 ай бұрын
Thanku this satisfies the q
@alexojideagu
@alexojideagu 4 жыл бұрын
I've still never had any Scholar explain why if something was so vital it was not included in the Quran. The Quran contains rules such as inheritance. So why did it not include other things like how to pray if it's so important? Also did Mohammad HIMSELF ever say to write down and follow what he does outside of the Quran?
@Plasma_07
@Plasma_07 4 жыл бұрын
Allah said in the quran and he describes him as a role model so we should follow authentic hadith not weak ones to get the best accuracy of what Muhammad(s) did
@alexojideagu
@alexojideagu 4 жыл бұрын
@@Plasma_07 But did Mohammad himself ever say to write it down? The hadiths were not written until he was dead. Surely everything should have been in the Quran.
@Plasma_07
@Plasma_07 4 жыл бұрын
@@alexojideagu But we should follow them since Allah purified Muhammad(s)'s heart so everything he did after the revelations were complete he was a role model thus we should take him as an example following hadith
@alexojideagu
@alexojideagu 4 жыл бұрын
@@Plasma_07 Mohammad " Do not write anything from me, and whoever writes anything but the Quran, let him erase it”
@Plasma_07
@Plasma_07 4 жыл бұрын
@@alexojideagu where does it say that
@pr7049
@pr7049 4 жыл бұрын
Dr. Yasir Qadhi:" The traditional narrative of Quran preservation has holes in it"⚠️⚠️⚠️
@m.e.e2878
@m.e.e2878 4 жыл бұрын
I don't believe what Yasir Qadhi said, It goes against the word of Allah(swt) about the preservation of the Holy Quran
@raziadeel2426
@raziadeel2426 4 жыл бұрын
M.E.E he said in Facebook that they twisted his words to suit their agenda he said that the Quran is preserved word for word unlike the corrupt bible lmao
@pr7049
@pr7049 4 жыл бұрын
@@m.e.e2878 Please watch, which one of 7️⃣0️⃣0️⃣-9️⃣0️⃣0️⃣ rawis, different arabic Qurans is correct? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qLOfZZR8q5yde40.html
@pr7049
@pr7049 4 жыл бұрын
@@raziadeel2426 Which one of the 7️⃣0️⃣0️⃣-9️⃣0️⃣0️⃣rawis different arabic Qurans is correct⁉️⁉️⁉️ kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qLOfZZR8q5yde40.html
@Tadpole_Diaries25
@Tadpole_Diaries25 4 жыл бұрын
.....and why did Hijab delete the preservation sectioning from the interview ?? Because it’s very clear what Dr YQ meant! Quran is missing parts and altered!
@sparephone8228
@sparephone8228 3 жыл бұрын
To the idividual below who calls me jaahil, I want to point one thing, and that is there is not one single 100% sahih ahadith that can be traced all the way back to the Prophet[saw] which says any part of the Qur'aan is abrogated. It makes a complete mockery of the idea of abrogation, since how could the Prophet[saw] through whom the Qur'aan is revealed then cannot tell us which parts are i) supposedly abrogated by another verse ii) verses supposedly revealed but are not not part of the Qur'aan and are not recited anymore. Furthmore lingusitic evidence from the Qur'aan showing that no part of the Qur'aan has been abrogated. Dr Shabir is doing more videos on this at the moment.
@saghirkhatana8166
@saghirkhatana8166 3 жыл бұрын
Quran is Protected word by word, letter by letter. If Quran is missing and not Protected by The Creator then Followers of Islam should be decreased.
@ariariski1418
@ariariski1418 2 жыл бұрын
Allah revealed the Holy Quran as it is, complete with best explanaintion inside it so that those who want the truth will find it only if they realy try hard to search inside it. No fake fabricated hadeeths are needed
@TheHenok30
@TheHenok30 4 жыл бұрын
I don't find Dr. Shabir's answer plausible. He interprets things how he wants to see it instead of being honest & having good critical analysis. There are many videos where his interpretation/doctrine is just wrong. He has lost credibility with me. - In the Bible, God revealed things, decreed things (judgments), etc. for specific circumstances & times. Those verses, as history, are still recorded in the Bible. We know from other verses that those statements were conditional. So there is no reason for an All-Wise God to have things added or deleted from his message or for statements to be changed - It seems like to me that Muhammad was in fact manufacturing verses from his own mind. His audience suspected that correctly. Then Muhammad reflected their critic on them.
@mohammadumar4113
@mohammadumar4113 4 жыл бұрын
No there were verses of the quran that was revealed to prophet mohammad (pbuh) which were later abrogated and prophet mohammad (pbuh) taught his companions from the very beginning that this specific verse will be removed from the quran because that verse came for that particular time the very prime example is muslims stays in mecca in the prime time of islam when to live as a muslim in mecca was like to live in hell but revelation came to prophet mohammad (pbuh) to stay in mecca saying its not the right time and then after some time this revelation was abrogated to migrate to medina its pretty clear that there were situations in which some verses were only applicable at that time consider today a verse of the quran which says all muslims should stay in mecca would that be applicable today not at all its that simple its just some non muslims just take some facts and make a situation which favors them but lets be honest using these cheap tricks isn't going to help them at all
@adz1097
@adz1097 4 жыл бұрын
we still have things like dua e kunoot. or some supplications that were passed down that were meant to be in the quran
@adz1097
@adz1097 4 жыл бұрын
@@mohammadumar4113 yo , can u give me hadith on muhammad teaching his companions that some verses are temporary. its cos i wanna make a video on this but cant find in hadiths as it would be way to long to find
@user-nk8hg9hi4j
@user-nk8hg9hi4j Жыл бұрын
@@adz1097 dua is not a punishment
@user-k229
@user-k229 2 ай бұрын
The Quran used to be written down on " Fine Parchment," as confirmed by the Quran. In addition the Quran states: " Nothing, have We OMITTED from the Book." " The Book is FULLY DETAILED." which means, whatever Allah left out, is not relevant for our Deen.
@ekremgj
@ekremgj Ай бұрын
Regardless of Dr. Shabbys intellectual answer, it's still an unbelievable and ridiculous kindergarten story!
@asashoryuLapisphilosophorum
@asashoryuLapisphilosophorum 4 жыл бұрын
Ps, and peace be upon all sentient beings, life itself is holy Greetings and best wishes
@pr7049
@pr7049 4 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d7SfaceJyJjNXWQ.html
@asashoryuLapisphilosophorum
@asashoryuLapisphilosophorum 4 жыл бұрын
@@pr7049 thanks
@joseph29993
@joseph29993 4 жыл бұрын
The Quran Has lots of missing verse and chapters , we can get the evidence from the hadiths. If you believe it is the fabricated story?, Then tell me why did Ayisha and others made up this story ? Who are the lier , the present scholers or forefather of muslim community?
@theman8070
@theman8070 3 жыл бұрын
It also missed the verses that contains the names of the 136.000 prophet 😂😂😂😂
@missbizzy701
@missbizzy701 2 жыл бұрын
That verse wouldn’t be included in the Quran as it would make the Quran too long, stop making up stories in your brain
@shant2464
@shant2464 Ай бұрын
Surah Al Ahzab is missing over 200 versus, they say. Can 200 versus be abrogated? When non-Muslims tell us this, it makes us look foolish because scholars claim that the Quran is the exact same as was revealed to Rasulullah SAW
@fakeprophet
@fakeprophet Ай бұрын
just leave Islam. The more you learn about Islam, the more confused you become.
@enduringwave87
@enduringwave87 3 жыл бұрын
There were no VERSES that were revealed and then later abrogated because it will make the Quran become a book which is SELF-CONTRADICTING and ALLAH says that Quran doesn't not self-contradict. Besides the verse which talks about "we do not forget to reveal an AYAH except that we bring something better than it or we bring something similar to it" is specifically talking about the SIGNS that were given to the prophets of the Bani Israel because in ARABIC, the word AYAH does not necessarily mean only the VERSE(S) but it means a SIGN as well.
@KevinJohnson-er9xt
@KevinJohnson-er9xt Жыл бұрын
GET RID OF ALL HADESS! Now you know how much confusion the hadees is bringing to the table.
@mistermurtad2831
@mistermurtad2831 4 жыл бұрын
There are so many excuses to why the Quran is not preserved from Allah's original speech. The narrative just has many holes in it that it is patched up with so many excuses. Who believes all this?
@mohammadumar4113
@mohammadumar4113 4 жыл бұрын
there was never any concrete evidence that Quran is changed every single ancient text of quran that is ever discovered is all the same Non muslim always make excuses to prove its changed and the reason behind that is they want it to changed
@swissapologetics
@swissapologetics 4 жыл бұрын
@@mohammadumar4113 There is not a single quranic Manuscript in complete agreement with your todays most used canonical text, the 1924 kairo edition of hafs Quran. No two quranic Manuscripts in complete agreement with each other. You dont have the Uthman Quran, you dont know how the Quran looked before Uthman's canonization or if there ever was one Quran anyways. So what are you talking about "all the same"?
@mohammadumar4113
@mohammadumar4113 4 жыл бұрын
@@swissapologetics Qur’an Karim was revealed to Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) in one version and 10 accents (they differ in tuning, like the way a vowel is stretched). This is because the Arabs were masters in poetry, prose and arts of recitation (including singing). So Allah (Subhanaho W Ta’ala) beats them in their field and revealed to Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) one Qur’an with no single alteration and 10 ways of recitation Now some idiots think that ten ways of reciting as ten different versions. The one version of the Qur’an Karim and the 10 modes of recitation are preserved with no one single alteration or dispute. at the time of ottoman caliph different tribes of arab people have different accents of one single arabic and even different ways of writtings so ottomon calph orders muslims only to recite the quran the way it is revealed to prophet means to recite the way quraish tribe did Secondly, there is no such a thing as the 1924 Qur’an.It is only one Qur’an Karim, revealed to Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him). 1924 refers to the date of the establishment of the printing house in Egypt. The Qur’an Karim used to be printed in the capital of Caliphate, in Istanbul. But after the fall down of the Caliphate, Egypt established a printing press.The printing press has been so punctual and prudent that it kept revising the versions it prints for nearly 30 years. It is drawn with the same basics on which it was drawn during the era of Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him).Plus, there are other printing houses and there is no one single dispute between any of them. as we know that quran which was revealed to prophet has 10 different accents and even different way of writting same words thats why it looks different but its not technically the original text is 100% preserved there are just different ways writting same words even those quran who have different accent and words are 95% same there are only few words which are written in different styles in 1924 Cairo Qur’ān was not an edition as in a different version of the Qur’ān but rather a printing of the Qur’ān which came to be regarded as a standard. which ignores all differen ways of writting same words and different accents of quran for better understandings and a easier way of learning also the fact Qur’an Karim and Sunna are not preserved primarily textually but verbally.They are kept in the hearts of those who memorize them. Each person who memorizes the Qur’an Karim and Sunna receives them from the mouth of his Imam, who in turn receives them from his Imam, all the way back till the Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him).Birmingham Manuscripts of the Qur’an Karim that proves Qur’an Karim has witnessed not alteration over 1400 years. i have compare that version to todays quran myself and they are 100% same i did my own research i didn't rely on some televangilist or some public freak Now mostly non muslims didn't know that much details So people like you have the adantage of misleading them and by the way you should care about your bible can i ask how authentic it is how authentic gospel is which actually have four different versions
@celestinaballad9052
@celestinaballad9052 4 жыл бұрын
@@m.e.e2878 and who is al lah?
@m.e.e2878
@m.e.e2878 4 жыл бұрын
@@celestinaballad9052 A Very good Question, this is the Answer. قُلْ هُوَ اللَّهُ أَحَدٌ "Say, He is Allah, [who is] One," اللَّهُ الصَّمَدُ "Allah, the Eternal Refuge." لَمْ يَلِدْ وَلَمْ يُولَدْ "He neither begets nor is born," وَلَمْ يَكُنْ لَّهُۥ كُفُوًا أَحَدٌ "Nor is there to Him any equivalent." Quran: chapter 112
@jambuair-gy4sk
@jambuair-gy4sk Жыл бұрын
My main criticism of the liberal/moderate/secular/moderate/ wasathiyah/pluralist/ revisionist/progressive approach as well as the conservative/traditionalist/salaf approach and other approaches currently circulating is that all of these approaches only place the Qur'an alone as kalamullah/ayatullah. as if the product of kalamullah is only al quran, as if only the heavenly books. whereas there are many products of the nature of al kalam, including ayat tarikhiyyah (human history), ayat kauniyah (universe), and ayat insaniyah (human self). al quran itself recognizes the existence of these 3 types of ayatullah (besides itself, besides al quran itself). The end result of studying/interpreting/interpreting all the other products of Allah's word that have the status of ayatollahs (signs of Allah's power/guidance) have the same status as "dalil shara" as does the end result of studying the product of Allah's word called al quran. Furthermore, because all of them have the status of "dalil shara", all of the above ayatollahs also have the status of sources of Islamic law (mashadir ahkam). So the "dalil of shara" derived from the research of non-religious scientists (such as the laws of physics, the laws of biology, the laws of psychology, mathematical formulas, statistics, etc.) have the same status as "dalil shara", derived from the study of the kalamullah / ayatullah called al quran, because the "dalil shara" are also derived from the same products, namely the products of the implementation of the same attribute of God: kalamullah. Furthermore: thus the "dalil shara" can all naskh the laws of other ayatollahs because they are all products that have the same legal position / level (both ayatollahs). the origin of lex posteriori derogate lex anteriori also applies in the discussion of legal relations between "dalil shara" drawn from the 4 types of ayatollahs. wallahualam.
@charliehebdo2283
@charliehebdo2283 3 жыл бұрын
This was narrated by Maalik in al-Muwatta’ (Kitaab ar-Ridaa‘, hadith no. 17), and via him by Imam Muslim (1452) and others. We may note here that the report of Imam Maalik from ‘Abdullah ibn Abi Bakr includes mention of the story of the goat or tame sheep eating pages of the Mus-haf.: It was narrated by Muhammad ibn Ishaaq. His version says: The verse of stoning and breastfeeding of an adult ten times was revealed, and it was written on a leaf that was kept beneath the bed of [‘Aa’ishah’s] house. When the Messenger of Allah fell sick, we were preoccupied with his situation, and a little animal came in and ate it.
@pr7049
@pr7049 4 жыл бұрын
➕3️⃣7️⃣different arabic Qurans = 1️⃣Quran⚠️⚠️⚠️9️⃣3️⃣ 0️⃣0️⃣0️⃣ differencies in 3️⃣7️⃣ different arabic Qurans found so far. Also rasm, skeleton text of arabic differs.
@gabrielabdul8372
@gabrielabdul8372 4 жыл бұрын
Your obsession is too much. Tell us about your trinity god and the so many versions of your Bible. Sadly there's no original Bible like Holy Quran.
@pr7049
@pr7049 4 жыл бұрын
@@gabrielabdul8372 There are 7️⃣0️⃣0️⃣-9️⃣0️⃣0️⃣ rawis different arabic Qurans and you are blaiming me to be obsessed⁉️⁉️⁉️ Which one is correct⁉️⁉️⁉️Watch yourself kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qLOfZZR8q5yde40.html
@pr7049
@pr7049 4 жыл бұрын
@Irfan Nawas Your scolars do not agree with you. Ask them or better read the books and discover yourself the truth⚠️⚠️⚠️
@pr7049
@pr7049 4 жыл бұрын
@Irfan Nawas As Suyuyat page 88:" Umar said Quran used to have 1 027 000 letters". Then over 7️⃣0️⃣% of Quran was lost forever.⚠️⚠️⚠️
@pr7049
@pr7049 4 жыл бұрын
@Irfan Nawas As Suyuyat 1:2 Surah of cow has lost 124 ayas alone⚠️⚠️⚠️
@sniff4643
@sniff4643 4 жыл бұрын
I'm not a Muslim but I applaud you for your honesty.
@theman8070
@theman8070 3 жыл бұрын
Not honest at all because he said he doesn't truth Aisha hadith which is written in shahid al Buhari.. which is authentic...😂😂😂
@abdirahmanidris290
@abdirahmanidris290 3 жыл бұрын
@@theman8070 many sahih bukhari hadith are rejected. There are many contradictions in some hadith
@theman8070
@theman8070 3 жыл бұрын
@@abdirahmanidris290 ots a lie.. you doing taqqiya... shahid means authentic.. why call shahid when its not shahid????😂😂😂😂
@abdirahmanidris290
@abdirahmanidris290 3 жыл бұрын
@@theman8070 first of all you illustrated your utter ignorance of laws on taqqiya. Taqqiya is only permissible when one is under persecution or faced with death. Secondly, bukhari collected many hadith some weak some strong. A proof is that in bukari there are hadiths that contradict about the prophets age. Only quran is the absolute unequivocal truth
@theman8070
@theman8070 3 жыл бұрын
@@abdirahmanidris290 whats the verse of the breastfeeding and punishment for adultery.. and why did ousman burnt some of the quran verses he collected???😀😀🤣😂😂 u lied again taqqiya in 3 means to your wife to 2 friends in war.. look my brother people are learning and they learning very quickly.. people are also very open to learning other people materials not like you.. you can lie in our face anymore and good scot-free
@Binary-thinker
@Binary-thinker 4 ай бұрын
What do you mean by that? How any ayat be forgotten or abrogated once it's revealed? It's just if and but The creater of the universe is perfect it doesn't need any if and but
@Iammram
@Iammram 4 ай бұрын
The creator causes it to be forgotten if it's meant to be forgotten thats why. 1:49 tells you.
@yayorandel6048
@yayorandel6048 Жыл бұрын
So Christians can say the same, the today is how God wants it.
@iluvucuzjesus5347
@iluvucuzjesus5347 3 жыл бұрын
Shabir. I dont know you or your heart but you seem like a nice guy, Genuine
@tobangafeufeu
@tobangafeufeu 4 жыл бұрын
6:00 but what if some passages of the quran werent included because, as you put it, "my dog ate my quran parches"?
@pr7049
@pr7049 4 жыл бұрын
Then there is no Quran of jennah tablet and Quran is false, consequently islam is false. Quran assures 4:82 that if there is falsehood in Quran the whole Quran is false. Also Al-Lah assures Quran the Word of Al-Lah is eternal and uncreated, it cannot disappear⚠️⚠️⚠️Al-Lah also protects his word.
@tobangafeufeu
@tobangafeufeu 4 жыл бұрын
@@pr7049 unless the Quran in fact not from Allah and Islam is false...
@pr7049
@pr7049 4 жыл бұрын
@@tobangafeufeu Good point
@monikabenay2196
@monikabenay2196 4 жыл бұрын
Then we must assume the dog was not really a dog - but the angel Gabriel in the DISGUISE of the dog. Just joking. When we read that the goat ate the Quran parts - it is exactly what it is: the goat ate parts of the Quran.
@tobangafeufeu
@tobangafeufeu 3 жыл бұрын
@Alpha Dog thank you for that input
@chioptnstdr3448
@chioptnstdr3448 3 жыл бұрын
This is the one 👍🏽
@rhakeemkareem9949
@rhakeemkareem9949 3 жыл бұрын
You don't have Al-Quran Al-Kareem but the recitation of what remains of His Lecture it is not The Divine Book. How much are you self professing Muslims willing to invest in resolving matters concerning The Book and the parables therein Quran including the initial Sura meanings? Or how He is praised throughout all creation?
@St.Irenaeus
@St.Irenaeus 4 жыл бұрын
"The standard narrative has holes in it" 🤣🤣
@garyleemusic
@garyleemusic 3 жыл бұрын
@Alpha Dog you are ignorant of how Bible translations work... they all are translated from the earliest texts. You can learn Greek and Hebrew and go to the original texts and make your own translation if you want. The idea that the Quran’s perfect preservation somehow means it’s from God is a terrible argument. I have tons of books on my bookshelf that are perfectly preserved.... so what?
@theman8070
@theman8070 3 жыл бұрын
@Alpha Dog and so Christian never say its dot by dot letter by letter word by word the same beause versions means different translation.. like mushin Khan translation etc😂😂😂😂
@lbnFadl
@lbnFadl 3 жыл бұрын
@@garyleemusic Except those "original" Greek and Hebrew come from differing and incomplete manuscripts to begin with
@missbizzy701
@missbizzy701 2 жыл бұрын
Aramaic, we need Aramaic original scripture please???? Can you provide it
@Mustafaljuboori
@Mustafaljuboori 3 жыл бұрын
i dont know why she's laughing at him lol
@drs2969
@drs2969 3 жыл бұрын
She is his daughter...
@theman8070
@theman8070 3 жыл бұрын
It's funny,, when he said he doesn't trust the verse when the verse is in al Buhari which is shahid 😂😂
@rewardhole
@rewardhole 3 жыл бұрын
She sure fires some “critical questions” none the less. I hoped to see a book speak though, and now feel a bit disappointed.
@Mustafaljuboori
@Mustafaljuboori 3 жыл бұрын
@@rewardhole she laugh because everything is scripted. ;)
@jewelsofquran6265
@jewelsofquran6265 4 жыл бұрын
Jazakallah khairan ❤❤
@brucesims3228
@brucesims3228 3 жыл бұрын
May God who is All-Compassionate and All-Merciful bless this teacher, guide him and keep him safe. IMVVHO presentations such as this are worth beyond gold for the guidance it lends in keeping the opinions and contributions of Humans in perspective. I walk Very Carefully around Hadith and Especially where Humans seek to advise as to God's intentions. That there have been changes or modifications ("abrogations") does not compromise God's Word to me, but I am sorely in need of help in weighting things as they crop up. Just sayin.....
@hero54321
@hero54321 2 жыл бұрын
Salaamun Alaykum brother,i trust the HolyQur’an 100%
@hero54321
@hero54321 2 жыл бұрын
and not people through the chains of transmission
@pr7049
@pr7049 4 жыл бұрын
As Suyuyat page 88:"Umar said Quran used to have 1 027 000 letters". Then over 7️⃣0️⃣% of Quran was lost⚠️⚠️⚠️
@pr7049
@pr7049 4 жыл бұрын
@John TomosonIt is totally logical. What was recited and what they were able to save is different issues. Where is the Quran of Hafsa??? It was not given to Uthman. Uthman had to compile his own 20 years after Quran of Hafsa.Where is the Quran of Uthman? Nowhere acvording turkish muslim scientist who examined all oldest fragments and manuscripts of Quran. Oldest Qurans are not even uthmanic but from 200-300 years after Mohammeds death like hadiths.
@pr7049
@pr7049 4 жыл бұрын
@John Tomoson Please watch the scolars explain, do not believe me kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d7SfaceJyJjNXWQ.html
@user-od3yg6hk8e
@user-od3yg6hk8e 4 жыл бұрын
You really think the sahabas were not busy at the point to count all the words ? Critical mind, does this ring a bell ?
@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana
@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana 3 жыл бұрын
@@user-od3yg6hk8e Allah and/or the couldn't have counted them. Should we add word counts to he long list of basic tasks the God of Muslims is incapable of doing?
@user-od3yg6hk8e
@user-od3yg6hk8e 3 жыл бұрын
@@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana I didn't know omar was Allah in islam...
@joescott4073
@joescott4073 Жыл бұрын
there are 30 arabic qurans which all of them have verses missing
@justinjensen0
@justinjensen0 Ай бұрын
The Quran says in verse 6:34, "No man can change the words of Allah". This verse is addressed to Muhammad and refers to the words spoken by prophets before him. Sunan ibn Majah 1944 “The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed1, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.” This hadith gave me a confusion as a muslim. Allah says that Quran is protected divinely. This hadith gave me a confusion as a muslim. Allah says that Quran is protected divinely. If the Quran has been defiled it shows the book can not be divine, and provides the Quran is not of God, be the actual words of the Quran.
@mpc6912
@mpc6912 3 жыл бұрын
Confused God??
@abdullahk9606
@abdullahk9606 3 жыл бұрын
No confused humans
@cryptojarrod6724
@cryptojarrod6724 4 жыл бұрын
The Hadith should be disregarded. The Quran says IT is the only source you need since it is from God. Islam would be better off without the hadith, which were compiled much later. This is the reformation Islam needs so badly.
@cryptojarrod6724
@cryptojarrod6724 4 жыл бұрын
If the book of Allah does not mention it, it obviously is not that important to Allah. Allah is all knowing and knows best. Nothing is missing from the book of Allah. Allah is perfect and knows what he put in the Quran. It is there, or not there, for a reason. The Hadith is the main cause division between Muslims.
@pmpm1841
@pmpm1841 4 жыл бұрын
Crypto Jarrod I believe in Hadiths, but fake Hadiths like this is what makes it easy for non Muslims to attack Islam. Satan couldn’t get the Quran like he used Paul for the Bible so he used the Hadith to divert Muslims. Some Hadiths are fine but some of these are pure blasphemy.
@cryptojarrod6724
@cryptojarrod6724 4 жыл бұрын
PM PM من البلاد it is for that reason I disregard them all. In my opinion, If I don’t know which ones are fake, and which ones are real, then none of them can be trusted.
@ChasinOneTwelve
@ChasinOneTwelve 3 жыл бұрын
Bro I reckon we could be good friends.. I’m leaning towards your mindset, but I’m too scared to admit it among my Muslim friends :/
@robertsticker8856
@robertsticker8856 4 жыл бұрын
Which Quran?
@theman8070
@theman8070 3 жыл бұрын
I got 36 quran which one is he talking about😂😂😂
@IsmailIsmail-py2xq
@IsmailIsmail-py2xq 2 ай бұрын
@@theman8070how do you have 36 qurans? Are you confusing it with the bible?
@dawah.islam09
@dawah.islam09 Жыл бұрын
Usman RA memorized Qur'an even other sahaba also so they complied Qur'an the Quran is 100 percnt true not missing
@sajidsk897
@sajidsk897 4 жыл бұрын
lame excuse
@masto2898
@masto2898 4 жыл бұрын
2:11 hahahahahahaha this one was funny
@mistermurtad2831
@mistermurtad2831 4 жыл бұрын
I take it back. I really didn't mean it -- Allah.
@masto2898
@masto2898 4 жыл бұрын
@@mistermurtad2831 hahahaha
@iz-dle4856
@iz-dle4856 3 жыл бұрын
the Old Covenant and the New Covenant. lol
@dodleymortune4312
@dodleymortune4312 5 күн бұрын
​@@iz-dle4856 Lol first of all the New Testament does not say that the Old was abolish althought it says the gentils ( with whom God did not make the Moisc convenant in the first place), do not have to be exactly like the jews in all rules. Second of all the Bible make the claim that all scriptures were inspired by God and that Jesus is the eternal word of God, not that the book itself is the eternal word of God like muslims claim for the Quran.
@dajjalmohammadmulhidpeer5198
@dajjalmohammadmulhidpeer5198 2 жыл бұрын
What of those verses which were eaten by Aisha's tamed sheep? That's in the Sahih Muslim. So if you want to discount Sahih Muslim, please discount everything from Sahih Muslim. Makes sense?
@adamsfamily39
@adamsfamily39 11 ай бұрын
Im amazed at his lack of information being a scholar
@pr7049
@pr7049 4 жыл бұрын
➕3️⃣7️⃣different arabic Qurans = 1️⃣ Quran from tablet of jennah⚠️⚠️⚠️Which one is correct⁉️⁉️⁉️Dr. Yasir Qadhi:"All of them".🤣🤣🤣
@user-od3yg6hk8e
@user-od3yg6hk8e 4 жыл бұрын
Sahih al-Bukhari 5041 Narrated `Umar bin Khattab: I heard Hisham bin Hakim bin Hizam reciting Surat-al-Furqan during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), and I listened to his recitation and noticed that he recited it in several ways which Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) had not taught me. So I was on the point of attacking him in the prayer, but I waited till he finished his prayer, and then I seized him by the collar and said, "Who taught you this Surah which I have heard you reciting?" He replied, "Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) taught it to me." I said, "You are telling a lie; By Allah! Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) taught me (in a different way) this very Surah which I have heard you reciting." So I took him, leading him to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! I heard this person reciting Surat-al-Furqan in a way that you did not teach me, and you have taught me Surat-al-Furqan." The Prophet said, "O Hisham, recite!" So he recited in the same way as I heard him recite it before. On that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "It was revealed to be recited in this way." Then Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "Recite, O `Umar!" So I recited it as he had taught me. Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) then said, "It was revealed to be recited in this way." Allah" Apostle added, "The Qur'an has been revealed to be recited in several different ways, so recite of it that which is easier for you." حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو الْيَمَانِ، أَخْبَرَنَا شُعَيْبٌ، عَنِ الزُّهْرِيِّ، قَالَ أَخْبَرَنِي عُرْوَةُ، عَنْ حَدِيثِ الْمِسْوَرِ بْنِ مَخْرَمَةَ، وَعَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنِ عَبْدٍ الْقَارِيِّ، أَنَّهُمَا سَمِعَا عُمَرَ بْنَ الْخَطَّابِ، يَقُولُ سَمِعْتُ هِشَامَ بْنَ حَكِيمِ بْنِ حِزَامٍ، يَقْرَأُ سُورَةَ الْفُرْقَانِ فِي حَيَاةِ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَاسْتَمَعْتُ لِقِرَاءَتِهِ فَإِذَا هُوَ يَقْرَؤُهَا عَلَى حُرُوفٍ كَثِيرَةٍ لَمْ يُقْرِئْنِيهَا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَكِدْتُ أُسَاوِرُهُ فِي الصَّلاَةِ فَانْتَظَرْتُهُ حَتَّى سَلَّمَ فَلَبَبْتُهُ فَقُلْتُ مَنْ أَقْرَأَكَ هَذِهِ السُّورَةَ الَّتِي سَمِعْتُكَ تَقْرَأُ قَالَ أَقْرَأَنِيهَا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم‏.‏ فَقُلْتُ لَهُ كَذَبْتَ فَوَاللَّهِ إِنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم لَهُوَ أَقْرَأَنِي هَذِهِ السُّورَةَ الَّتِي سَمِعْتُكَ، فَانْطَلَقْتُ بِهِ إِلَى رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم أَقُودُهُ فَقُلْتُ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ إِنِّي سَمِعْتُ هَذَا يَقْرَأُ سُورَةَ الْفُرْقَانِ عَلَى حُرُوفٍ لَمْ تُقْرِئْنِيهَا وَإِنَّكَ أَقْرَأْتَنِي سُورَةَ الْفُرْقَانِ‏.‏ فَقَالَ ‏"‏ يَا هِشَامُ اقْرَأْهَا ‏"‏‏.‏ فَقَرَأَهَا الْقِرَاءَةَ الَّتِي سَمِعْتُهُ فَقَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏"‏ هَكَذَا أُنْزِلَتْ ‏"‏‏.‏ ثُمَّ قَالَ ‏"‏ اقْرَأْ يَا عُمَرُ ‏"‏‏.‏ فَقَرَأْتُهَا الَّتِي أَقْرَأَنِيهَا، فَقَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏"‏ هَكَذَا أُنْزِلَتْ ‏"‏‏.‏ ثُمَّ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏"‏ إِنَّ الْقُرْآنَ أُنْزِلَ عَلَى سَبْعَةِ أَحْرُفٍ فَاقْرَءُوا مَا تَيَسَّرَ مِنْهُ ‏"‏‏.‏ Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 5041 In-book reference : Book 66, Hadith 65 USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 6, Book 61, Hadith 561
@dawoodashaq1408
@dawoodashaq1408 4 жыл бұрын
Please quote me name of at least 10
@pr7049
@pr7049 4 жыл бұрын
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@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana
@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana 3 жыл бұрын
@@user-od3yg6hk8e If you were not blinded by you false faith, then you have realised the problem that Hadeeth causes If the Quran was revealed in multiple ways, the people remembering it did not know which way they had and the Quran was assembled from fragments as said in other Sahih Hadeeth, then the logical conclusion is the Quran now is a jumbled up form of multiple ways revealed, which causes issues with consistent language across verses.
@user-od3yg6hk8e
@user-od3yg6hk8e 3 жыл бұрын
@@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana I was just responding to the claim that the Qur'an was false because we find somes variations in verses in an a classic islamic sperpective. Actually i admit that the questions is more complicated than that, but the conclusion of my research for now is that the Qur'an is authentic (all verses and surah are there) and variants have to be analysed one by one. It's only destroy sunnism but not islam.
@olgaplatt9221
@olgaplatt9221 3 жыл бұрын
The eternal and perfect book needed revisions and changes. Interesting...
@notionSlave
@notionSlave 3 жыл бұрын
The content of verses is exactly the same...it’s just the numbering of verses to make it as close as possible and natural as possible for reading.
@olgaplatt9221
@olgaplatt9221 3 жыл бұрын
@@notionSlave Nono, he is speaking about Abrogation and about exchanges. And even if you were right: why should God reveale something perfect and then change it because he realized it was not perfect?
@notionSlave
@notionSlave 3 жыл бұрын
@@olgaplatt9221 more like, it was intended and planned to be that way from the start lol. It’s not “oops forgot I that humans need time to change”, it’s “yes I know humans need time to change so I will successively reveal verses of mercy that will show that humans need time to change”. It’s all pre planned.
@olgaplatt9221
@olgaplatt9221 3 жыл бұрын
@@notionSlave well, if the Quran is eternal your explanation doesn’t make sense.
@notionSlave
@notionSlave 3 жыл бұрын
@@olgaplatt9221 it’s eternal for our purposes..lol. It makes sense if you see it as pre planned...Those abrogated verses are meant to stay in the Quran. Just because they are abrogated doesn’t mean they need to be deleted lol.
@shanewalsh7388
@shanewalsh7388 4 жыл бұрын
Imagination?
@nijaydosslin4720
@nijaydosslin4720 13 күн бұрын
Shabir has good sense of humor! Jibril and mohamad validate the Quran periodically to get the right version till his death. That means a day before he died jibril said we are done with the revision now you can recite it to your companions! They had just one day to memorize the entire Quran, which was verbally told to them. It’s insane
@alangervasis
@alangervasis 3 жыл бұрын
Some of the scribes who memorized parts of the quran died in battle thus much of the original was lost.
@madniv786
@madniv786 3 жыл бұрын
That's not true. Some died not all of them, Qur'an is preserved.
@salahadeen7785
@salahadeen7785 3 жыл бұрын
False
@eho6380
@eho6380 3 жыл бұрын
Not all of them died, even the scribe of the prophet survived.
@-LTUIiiin
@-LTUIiiin 2 жыл бұрын
Did allah not have the foreknowledge to know this?
@sarogulomari9158
@sarogulomari9158 4 жыл бұрын
My brothers and sisters The whole Quran is in front of you please read and follow that.why you are looking for more of it.as if you finish doing all the recommendation and now you want more. What ever Allah gives you hold on to it. And dont look for excuses. May Allah SWT guide us all to the straight path. Ameen
@frfr0123
@frfr0123 3 жыл бұрын
It’s in the Quran that we should follow Hadith
@yasamini6346
@yasamini6346 3 жыл бұрын
@@frfr0123 تِلْكَ آيَاتُ اللَّهِ نَتْلُوهَا عَلَيْكَ بِالْحَقِّ فَبِأَيِّ حَدِيثٍ بَعْدَ اللَّهِ وَآيَاتِهِ يُؤْمِنُونَ ﴿ Quran says we shoul not follow anything exapt quran
@yasamini6346
@yasamini6346 3 жыл бұрын
@@frfr0123 have you ever read quran?quran is against ahadith
@theman8070
@theman8070 3 жыл бұрын
What's ALIF in the quran😂😂
@theman8070
@theman8070 3 жыл бұрын
@@yasamini6346 you need the tafsir to understand it 😂😂😂😂😂😂💟💟💟
@naharhabeebullah6652
@naharhabeebullah6652 2 ай бұрын
What will happen to the people who stand against quran and they all are having names of Muslims
@programminglanguagestutori9118
@programminglanguagestutori9118 2 ай бұрын
If they are for Christ then they will see God but if they are in any other religion hell is waiting for them like the others who deny the son-ship of Christ.
@l1m1tz123
@l1m1tz123 2 ай бұрын
If a person knows the truth of islam and denies it he will go to hell forever and if a person who doesn't know anything about islam passes away then he will have a separate test on the the day of judgement and the one who believes in Allah and his messenger will enter jannah and enjoy it's rewards and blessings of Allah SWT
@stopworrying8850
@stopworrying8850 29 күн бұрын
Why she never challenged him in any of his claims????
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