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Do high saturated fat diets lead to heart disease? | Peter Attia and Don Layman
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This clip is from episode 224 ‒ Dietary protein: amount needed, ideal timing, quality, and more with Don Layman, Ph.D. Don Layman is a Professor of Food Science and Human Nutrition at the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign.
In this clip, Don and Peter discuss:
- How do dietary cholesterol, saturated fat, and overall fat effect human health?
- What studies have been done to test the effects of saturated fat on heart health?
- Is it more important to worry about saturated fat or overall calories consumed?
- And more
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@nishuee9349 6 ай бұрын
Answer starts at 3:52
@LaughinLoneStar 5 ай бұрын
The answer is actually at 7:30
@sterlingforbes3872 5 ай бұрын
You rock, thank you.
@lassevenho4702 6 ай бұрын
In my opinion, the original question is not set in the best possible way. The hypothesis is that saturated fat raises LDL cholesterol, which over time leads to narrowing of the arteries and eventually to terminal events. As a result, supermarkets are full of low-fat products. What if the better question is "can the amount and composition of fat being changed to reduce the incidence of heart disease". The Multiple Risk Factor Intervention Trial provides an answer to this: fat repair does not reduce cardiac events.
@ok-nz7mt 2 ай бұрын
What does that mean?
@stevec8872 22 күн бұрын
To my knowledge blood cholesterol levels are actually a poor indicator of heart disease. There seems to be a much higher correlation between triglyceride levels as a marker for potential cardiac disease.
@HakuCell 6 ай бұрын
did he really just say that if you eat at maintenance calories you can eat as much saturated fat as you want? what?
@10thMorales 5 ай бұрын
That’s what Dr.Attia did when he was on ketogenic diet for 3 years. But he recognized that polymorphisms among apparently-healthy individuals on ketogenic diets exist: their LDL & cholesterol count rises despite triglycerides going down. In their specific cases, saturated fat intake was put into
@dubsbarry9963 4 ай бұрын
my only problem with this statement has nothing to do with the saturated fats. if you're eating junk, yeah maybe worry about maintenance calories. eating a low carb, primarily animal based diet, you can forget about calories. I eat as much as I want, with plenty of saturated fat and I'm in fantastic shape. And I wasn't prior to doing this.
@aufsesserpremium 2 ай бұрын
If not eating hypercaloric, dietary fat does not rise Plasmalevels of those, the liver makes saturated fat from excess Glucose (palmitic Acid), via de Novo lipogenesis, there are Higher Levels of palmitic Acid in the blood with high carb than high fat Diet, the down regulation does not Work with excess Energy intake, esp. from carbs....
@SpindlyScoudrel 6 ай бұрын
This is weird, Peter must know this trial had an 83% drop-out rate and that they accidentally fed the polyunsaturated fats group a load of trans-fats. Peter takes cholesterol lowering drugs but can't seem to accept that eating foods that lower apob "naturally" will reduce your cardiovascular risk.
@elinino5275 5 ай бұрын
What foods do you suggest?. And it is weird that he takes statins😮
@mikeyd7733 5 ай бұрын
Because there is no evidence it does. Weird how people like to see evidence.
@SpindlyScoudrel 5 ай бұрын
@mikeyd7733 What that reducing Apob also reduces cardiovascular risk? There's massive amounts of evidence. The point I'm making though is that Peter thinks it does and therefore takes cholesterol lowering drugs. Why then doesn't he seem to accept that eating foods that lower cholesterol/Apob also reduces your cardiovascular risk?
@mikeyd7733 5 ай бұрын
@@SpindlyScoudrel If you can show me one study where someone with elevated cholesterol levels with other concerning markers has an increased risk of cardiovascular risk I'd love to see it. But I'll save you the time it doesn't exist. Cholesterol is a co-morbidity, an extremely weak indicator of anything in isolation. I am not trying to find a way to make an unhealthy lifestyle slightly less risky. I have seen virtually no evidence that increased saturated fat in otherwise healthy people poses any threat. If you are metabolically unhealthy it is crystal clear there is highly increased risk. Peter and I do not believe in vilifying something with literally no proof amongst a healthy cohort of people.
@SpindlyScoudrel 5 ай бұрын
@mikeyd7733 You're still confused with what I'm pointing out. Whether you personally believe saturated fat is good or bad doesn't matter. Do whatever you want. I'm saying Peter believes he has to have low apob to reduce his cardiovascular risk. Saturated fat above around 10% of total energy intake raises apob which Peter accepts. Why then does he think lowering apob whith diet changes, ie reducing sat fat, doesn't reduce your cardiovascular risk? Again, this isn't about what you or I believe but what Peter believes.
@fleadoggreen9062 5 ай бұрын
So I’m a auto/ truck mechanic And to me a lot of medical issues totally relate to cars , and yea can’t go clogging up the oil passages with gunk the engine is gonna suffer!!! Can’t over load ur car with tons of weight, every part is gonna wear quicker 😊
@jeffreyjohnson7359 6 ай бұрын
Peter, I love your stuff, but I'm surprised you fell for the crap that they didn't publish the results because "they didn't like them." They didn't publish it because they didn't finish it, they lost 83% of their subjects. And they didn't differentiate trans fats, because they didn't know that it was bad back then. The unsaturated fats group almost certainly had more trans fats. The video below is a good analysis. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ntOFkqaSy8e0d4U.htmlsi=gbNZ7ie0u0_hMluo
@allenbrost9564 5 ай бұрын
So the results doesn't look good for PUFAs.
@jeffreyjohnson7359 5 ай бұрын
@@allenbrost9564 The overall evidence for pufa and mufa is pretty overwhelming.
@ClassicJukeboxBand 16 күн бұрын
@@jeffreyjohnson7359 Correct. The evidence is overwhelming that man-made chemicals that we did not evolve to eat might be worse for our health than natural foods we have been eating for millions of years...
@vladimirs3903 6 ай бұрын
"I'm not a lipid expert" then proceeds to hypothesize about it and we're supposed to take it as sound advice?
@theperipateticgumshoe9047 6 ай бұрын
You just keep buying your favorite carnivore zealot’s supplements and avoiding carbs if you want to. I’m sure you’re just as skeptical of their claims and have thoroughly evaluated them.
@vladimirs3903 6 ай бұрын
@@theperipateticgumshoe9047 I'm just saying the guy Peter invited is not a good resource on that topic as he says himself. I don't know where the assumptions about my lifestyle fit in.
@MarkMetternichPhotographyLLC 5 ай бұрын
He certainly has far more than enough background to share his thoughts on this, without having to have extremely narrow specialization/expertise in the field.
@willnitschke 5 ай бұрын
@@theperipateticgumshoe9047*carnivore zealot’s* But this is the diet of our ancestors for approx. 350,000 years, prior to the agrarian revolution. I can't see how an ancestral diet is "zealotry". Perhaps advocating for someone else, is the actual zealotry.
@froelichsm 5 ай бұрын
They essentially said saturated fat doesn’t lead to increased cardiac incidence and that total cholesterol number assumptions are increasingly sitting on more shaky ground
@m_m_m9594 6 ай бұрын
Would love to see an episode dedicated to talking about epilepsy - is such a common scary illness that I feel is often forgotten 😢😊
@Connor6569 6 ай бұрын
Eat a ketogenic or carnivore diet.
@freeandfabulous4310 6 ай бұрын
That would be great. My daughter struggles with epilepsy so very motivated to hear Dr Attia’s take
@riumudamc4686 6 ай бұрын
Dr. Georgia Ede has videos about ketogenic diets and she mentions they help epilepsy
@kbkesq 6 ай бұрын
@@freeandfabulous4310there is a ton of research being done on epilepsy. Machine learning is going to solve a lot of the problems with it. I hope you find a doctor who can do some studies of your daughter to capture the data at the moment of seizure.
@supersonicsenses 6 ай бұрын
The Ketogenic diet was originally formulated to help epileptics with seizure control. Ketones are calming.
@capcomfan82 6 ай бұрын
Where your saturated fats come from matter. If you eat processed foods you can overdo it by a mile
@juliebrown8375 2 ай бұрын
The Minnesota Coronary Survey was meant to be a five year study, but they were not able to keep very many subjects in the study for that long. The average time on the diet was about 18 months IIRC which is not long enough to demonstrate dietary effects.
@ClassicJukeboxBand 16 күн бұрын
The Sydney Heart Study showed the same results, and it was also stopped early because they were disappointed too...
@ghaithmatalkah3328 6 ай бұрын
Misleading title for the video
@deendrew36 20 күн бұрын
How? It is a question.
@chipknight4876 5 ай бұрын
So feel free to add butter and coconut oil (saturated) to your coffee every morning for the perceived short term benefit of metal acuity, so long as your caloric intake is stable? Why wouldn’t you opt for olive and avocado or PUFA’s instead, or just skip it? Does the Ghee/MCT just increase APO B and ASCVD?
@lightzpy8049 5 ай бұрын
Ghee is just butter without the casein meaning it doesn’t have lactose that all. The macros meaning the saturated fat is the same, saturated fat is not health it increases ApoB leading the fatty liver and CVD. Eat at your discretion and in smaller potion, don’t eat it daily or only on occasions.
@dountoothers 5 ай бұрын
I would add a Marlboro so long as your lungs don't have any lesions.
@lightzpy8049 5 ай бұрын
@@dountoothers daily cocaine injections as well
@dountoothers 5 ай бұрын
I don't break the law... but interesting. I'm sure you'd lose weight and have good energy.@@lightzpy8049
@dubsbarry9963 4 ай бұрын
@@lightzpy8049 BS - saturated fat aint the enemy. Sugar and carbs ARE.
@briandavidofficial 6 ай бұрын
Was an answer given and I missed it?
@revsteeltoe 6 ай бұрын
Well "I am definitely not a lipid expert" was stated, so there's that.
@rishidhingra319 6 ай бұрын
yea NO answer given at all. 9 mins of life lost.
@KennyG-qh8jc 6 ай бұрын
no EVIDENCE it caused heart problems they could not have been clearer unless you not very bright i guess like the commenters below
@patmone922 6 ай бұрын
Well at the very end he says, that no evidence suggests that there is a significant difference between the fats if you are in energy balance, i.e. no caloric excess. In Caloric excess, saturated fat is worse.
@briandavidofficial 6 ай бұрын
@@KennyG-qh8jc Dang, just got roasted by Kenny G 😔 My friend! You may not want to be too quick to judge someone's intelligence from a single sentence posted in a comment. Hope you have a great day!
@ImaJunkyoBell 6 ай бұрын
My diet is mostly fruit, vegetables, nuts, seeds, and chicken. I had an LDL of 125. Last year I made a few very small diet changes. I replaced the 1 serving of cheese I was having every other day with flaxseed and DHA supplementing. I also replaced higher SAT-FAT dark chocolate with one with much less cocoa butter and less SAT-FAT. Now my LDL is 78.
@killpacfilms 6 ай бұрын
What dark chocolate do you recommend. I like dark chocolate and enjoy a few pieces after dinner. Curious to know which brands have a little less saturated fats. Thank you!
@normannl.2134 6 ай бұрын
Do you think that dark chocolate increases LDL cholesterol? Most sources say that cocoa has a positive effect on cholesterol. I have been wondering for some time if this is correct. I also wonder what effect MCT oil has on LDL.
@Scottlp2 6 ай бұрын
How much chocolate were you eating and how much fat could it possible have had?
@southerngirl1408 6 ай бұрын
@@normannl.2134 They both have saturated fat, so I don’t think it would be good to eat a lot of either one, especially coconut oil from what I’ve read. A small amount of dark chocolate does have some health benefits for the heart
@orbifold4387 6 ай бұрын
@@southerngirl1408 The fats in coconut oil can bypass the lymph path, and enter the bloodstream directly through the vein portal. This means they are not transported with ApoB, and cannot possibly increase LDL.
@BlahBlahPoop617 6 ай бұрын
Wow. I can’t believe these guys. Literally denying saturated fats role in heart disease risk with the abundant data we have on it makes you a nutritional flat earther. Congratulations guys. You are the nutritional equivalent to flat earthers. Can’t take you seriously anymore.
@ClassicJukeboxBand 5 ай бұрын
You don't know what your are talking about.
@BlahBlahPoop617 5 ай бұрын
@@ClassicJukeboxBand I know what I am talking about. I can predict that you’ll point to the same refuted old low carb guru talking points which are more outdated than your grandma. Also, learn to spell correctly before trying to tell me I don’t know what I am talking about. It’s “you’re”, not “your.” Learn basic grammar/punctuation and spelling before you go on to be an online doctor health guru.
@BlahBlahPoop617 5 ай бұрын
@@mariad.8204 “Correlation doesn’t equal causation.” So many cholesterol denialists say this as if they know what it actually means. They actually don’t. Actually, correlation does not necessarily equal causation but it can because you can identify the causal mechanism and you can rule out alternative explanations, then an association really does become credibly causal. It’s actually ApoB. LDL-C is a predictor because all LDL have ApoB tags. So it’s a “dirtier” predictor than ApoB. But ApoB is actually what causes the arterial plaque. And this is a causal relationship. The Mendelian randomization data shows this. Lean people can and do get heart disease and can have high ApoB/LDL levels. Obese people will have more risk factors, but the idea that “I am lean and thus in good “metabolic health” like online diet gurus say is just false. Increase in ApoB/LDL is more predictive than insulin levels or anything else when it comes to heart disease caused by arterial plaque. The mathematical relationship is very strong and robust. Just as robust as is the mathematical relationship between smoking and lung diseases, in fact.
@ClassicJukeboxBand 16 күн бұрын
@@BlahBlahPoop617 Sorry, saturated fat has NEVER been proven to cause disease in humans by itself...show me the proof.
@Lieutenant-Dan 6 ай бұрын
Saying it's mainly calories is just a cop out.
@Dylaniated 6 ай бұрын
Listen to the whole talk.. Its really good
@donwinston 6 ай бұрын
Correct. LDL/APOB is a REQUIREMENT for atherosclerosis. Without it you cannot get cardiovascular disease even if you smoke, are fat and diabetic, and chronically inflamed. This issue is not remotely debatable. High consumption of saturated fat causes cardiovascular disease. Trans fats are unhealthy for the same reason saturated fat is. They raise your LDL cholesterol to unhealthy levels.
@Millard12345 5 ай бұрын
He's saying saturated fat seems to have weak or no effect if the person is a healthy weight. That's not a cop out.
@donwinston 5 ай бұрын
@d12345 He is wrong. It is a proven fact that a high saturated fat diet will GREATLY increase your LDL cholesterol even if you are fit and otherwise healthy. If you were unfit then of course it would have an even greater effect up to a point anyway. There is a diminishing increase in LDL cholesterol for higher and higher amounts of saturated fat consumption. The meat and dairy industry funded studies in the past and tried to use this fact to muddy the waters about saturated fat. They would compare high saturated fat diets with HIGHER saturated fat diets. Report no difference in LDL cholesterol and claim saturated fat does not raise LDL cholesterol.
@lukasholly5517 5 ай бұрын
@@donwinstonStearic Acid Has neutral effect on LDL, Cacao and milk products are mostly Stearic Acid, so then dont eat anything and be breatharian because everything can kill you. I think we should avoid refined seed oils, additives and eat whole foods grass fed beef and organs, organic fruits and vegetables, raw dairy, eggs, fish, sourdough bread All good and healthy.
@inthering1711 5 ай бұрын
Calories are just calories???? Calories are NOT just calories !! Sugars can spike insuline with all implications.. unless you are active and you need them.. Chips are not the same as cooked potatoes! Pastries are not the same as fat fish!!
@willnitschke 5 ай бұрын
Agreed, that's the dumbest statement anyone could make these days. Stick a CGM on your arm and eat different foods with the same calories and see what happens to your hormone levels....
@stellasternchen 4 ай бұрын
@@willnitschke Insulin levels rise and go down like they are supposed to? Try to measure insulin following eating high protein foods. You might be suprized. A newer study showed a strong insulin response is indicative of a lower risk og diabetes. I do not know why so many people are obsessed with these GCM's. What causes insulin resistance and high fasting glucose is fat blocking insulin receptors. It is a consequence of chronic overnutrition and has all to do with calories. The carbohydrate insulin model of obesity was tested in metabolic ward studies by scientists wanting to find the irrefutable evidence ending up disprooving it. Yet it is still found everywhere online.
@stevend481 10 күн бұрын
Calorie is a calorie. It's a unit of measure
@tonyboffa5571 5 ай бұрын
Answer: Yes
@Boilerking76123 5 ай бұрын
In the olden day studies , how many of the subjects where smoking ?
@ssa8479 5 ай бұрын
And how many of the ones eating burgers were ordering them with fries and a soda? Did the studies take that into account, or did they blame the meat patty and ignore the highly processed white flour bun, the fries (which at one time were fried in lard before vegetable oils were brought in), and a supersized drink?
@rubygreta1 5 ай бұрын
In the 50's, 60's and 70's it was all about smoking
@sS0ulSs 4 ай бұрын
We all know this is falacious. Saturates fat from animal sources does not, never did and will never cause any such issues. We have been eating and surviving of animal fats since forever. End of discussion.
@ClassicJukeboxBand 16 күн бұрын
Sometimes the simplest explanation is the most accurate...evolution never lies...scientists do...
@Carbsforgains 5 ай бұрын
I lowerd my saturated fat intake and it lowered my blood markers significantly. However, my T levels dropped immensely.
@elcapitanian 5 ай бұрын
Testosterone?
@snake1625b 5 ай бұрын
did you compensate by increasing PUFA/MUFA's ?
@mineamashion4100 5 ай бұрын
Yes, it does but the people selling it don't want you to know this.
@MarkMetternichPhotographyLLC 6 ай бұрын
Excellent and informative interview as always. Thank you for your service! 🙏🏻
@luckyhanger1326 6 ай бұрын
I don't think Dr. Attia got the Minn study history correct. Government policies toward these patients changed and most of the study patients were released. The study was so short there was not sufficient time to see a difference between the two groups Dr. Attia made it into a conspiracy theory. I'm really starting to lose respect for this guy.
@lazydictionary 6 ай бұрын
Every time I find a smart person who really knows their area of expertise, they always start dabbling outside it and make them look so bad. You really have to to take any opinion they have outside their lane with a huge grain of salt, and can't just blindly accept it. It this case, I think Peter was hoping his guest knew more than he did, but the guest knew nothing, so we are forced to just assume Peter's recollection is correct, when it was in fact very wrong.
@southerngirl1408 6 ай бұрын
I agree!
@willnitschke 6 ай бұрын
Dr DumbNuts literally can't reason rationally. He sounds clever only when he stays on script.
@donwinston 6 ай бұрын
We've know that saturated fat causes cardiovascular disease for over 70 uyears. It is not remotely debatable.
@Doctor_Mac 6 ай бұрын
Same, the argument that saturated fat and high cholesterol are the sole culprits of CVD is short sighted. It discounts other possible factors such as metabolic deficients/Diabetes or inflammatory disorders as well as psychosocial factors.
@md82892 5 ай бұрын
Based on the conversation, here is a summary of the key points regarding the Minnesota Coronary Experiment: - The experiment was conducted in the 1970s by Ancel Keys at the University of Minnesota to test whether replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat would reduce heart attacks and strokes. - It was conducted on institutionalized patients who were randomized into a high saturated fat diet group and a high polyunsaturated fat diet group, while keeping total calories and other nutrients the same. - After the roughly 5 year study period, there was no difference in cardiovascular events between the two diet groups, even though cholesterol levels decreased more in the polyunsaturated fat group. - Keys did not publish the full results in 1973, apparently because they did not support his hypothesis that saturated fat increases heart disease risk. - In 2017, Christopher Ramsden re-analyzed the data and found hints that the polyunsaturated fat diet may have actually increased cardiovascular risk in some subgroups. - The speakers conclude that the evidence against saturated fat from studies like this is mixed overall and that saturated fat restriction may not be that important if calories are controlled.
@dountoothers 5 ай бұрын
This was a terrible study. See Walter Willett's criticism.
@BaneTrogdor 6 ай бұрын
I think it's more than clear so far, that saturated fats increase apoB which is an independent factor for heart disease. There's a lot of science behind it. Listen to Thomas Dayspring, leading lipidologist.
@normannl.2134 6 ай бұрын
Only animal saturated fats or also vegetable fats such as cocoa and coconut oil?
@southerngirl1408 6 ай бұрын
You are so right and some of these doctors are doing a great disservice to people watching them 😟😞
@maxmwegerano7400 6 ай бұрын
@@normannl.2134 Yes, all of them.
@donwinston 6 ай бұрын
LDL/APOB is a REQUIREMENT for atherosclerosis. Without it you cannot get cardiovascular disease even if you smoke, are fat and diabetic, and chronically inflamed.
@timh-c7186 6 ай бұрын
Don't forget the chapter in PAs book about how unhealthy Tom Dayspring was/is....more to do with blood sugar and insulin issues. Bottom line, same race different horse
@thebiohackinglab 6 ай бұрын
OH man, Gil Carvalho would have a field day with this one.
@thelaststylebender1678 6 ай бұрын
the guy who never practiced medicine in his life. okay
@kajony 6 ай бұрын
I didn’t know that about Carvalho. But that doesn’t negate the rigour of his reasoning
@thelaststylebender1678 6 ай бұрын
@@kajony he has no reason. He never practice medicine but parades as a medical doctor.
@thebiohackinglab 6 ай бұрын
@@thelaststylebender1678 Why do you have to practice medicine to be a subject expert? Scientists don't practice medicine.
@thelaststylebender1678 6 ай бұрын
@@thebiohackinglab he also doesn’t publish peer review journals. He’s just a guy on youtube spreading vegan rhetoric. His goal is to convince you to stop eating meat but he’s doing it in a very covert and sinister way. The science!
@qigong1001 5 ай бұрын
Some people in the comments suggesting lowering ApoB via reduced saturated fat is “more healthy”. Very poor analysis of using a single marker to determine health status. . ApoB is a marker for heart disease, but depending on how you do your diet, you may be worsening other risk factors such as HDL levels and cholesterol. So it’s not a direct relationship. You can optimize your ApoB , but if you did it through a diet which increases sugar that’s the worst thing you can do for your health. Or if you replace saturated fat with unsaturated fat, you may optimize your ApoB, LDL, but worsen HDL and triglycerides. Reduce calories, eat less processed food.
@willnitschke 5 ай бұрын
Exactly. You have to look at the big picture, and not just focus on one or a few bio-markers. Hypothetically what is the point of reducing ApoB if it drops your risk of all cause by, say, 10%, if it prevents you from making other life style changes which increase your risk by 20% ?
@qigong1001 5 ай бұрын
@@willnitschke Right, and there has already been years of research on this. Failure in medical education...even seasoned doctors. Nobody thinks anymore.
@DrJK-wm9ec 2 ай бұрын
Bravo Peter for covering this! Glad you are open to data which challenges your current beliefs.
@HegelsOwl 6 ай бұрын
Try to imagine two world-class historians opening a discussion trying to remember when Edward Gibbon published his most famous work, or a couple of physicists trying to remember when Sir Issac Newton published his vade mecum. But among world-class nutritionists, doctors, etc., on the subject of diet and nutrition, this sort of thing is typical.
@markotrieste 6 ай бұрын
In any other branch of science, the willful omission of publication of data because "it doesn't fit the narrative" would be punished by perennial ban of theory and involved researchers, but in nutrition this is standard practice. Then again, it's the only field where correlation is used to prove causation...
@Anthonysk9 6 ай бұрын
too much money in keeping people confused about nutrition, because the industry poisoning you wants you to stay confused, because guess what happens when you know the truth?!?!?! Big Meat and Big Pharma have the money to control the narrative, our at least keep you confused!
@mpoharper 6 ай бұрын
If it was federally sponsored research, it should have been published.
@TheYogaDawg 6 ай бұрын
Highly Processed meats, grains & seed oils are the enemy, not saturated fats.
@ratherrapid 6 ай бұрын
where is the DATA on polyunsaturated fat???
@Annapekarkova957 Ай бұрын
Prosím přidejte bdo všech Vašich videí..., čeština. Titulky, jsem z České republiky a ráda bych vás sledovala😊. Už mi někteří youtubeři , vyšli vstříc.
@henrikmadsen2176 3 ай бұрын
So , first and foremost we should stay lean !! But how lean ?? What bodyfat% and/or BMI is thought to be optimal for males and females respectively ??
@fhowland 5 ай бұрын
Does Peter ever let the guest speak?
@willnitschke 5 ай бұрын
As a general rule, no. He prefers to communicate his superior intellect to everyone sold on the utube health guru concept. 😉
@bartrobinson2103 5 ай бұрын
He's nothing. But an egotistical narcissist👍🤣
@dubsbarry9963 4 ай бұрын
why isn't high blood sugar and insulin resistance being discussed here? it's common knowledge that insulin resistance creates inflamed blood vessel linings, which in turn creates bottle necks in the blood vessels, where fat blockages occur. animal fats are not the enemy. seed oils, too many carbs, too many indigestible plants, and processed anti-foods are. I also disagree with the whole calorie debate. not all calories are the same. I can consume tremendous calories on a high fat, animal based, low carb diet. Yet I'm consistently losing bodyfat, and my bodyweight is dropping to a happy medium. never felt better
@chriskozak7356 Ай бұрын
Agreed. Basically, one has to commit to either HF/LC or HC/LF for maximum health. Combining Sat fat with any forms of glucose causes major issues.
@ClassicJukeboxBand 16 күн бұрын
Attia had Dr. Richard Johnson on, and his research clearly shows fructose consumption is probably the main contributor to insulin resistance.
@sethdbrown30 6 ай бұрын
I think it comes down to individual genetics, along with the combination of Cholesterol, body fat levels, insulin sensitivity, overall fitness, and age. I'm 39, 5'9" 168 pounds with about 10 percent bodyfat, lift 3 days a week, run 3 days a week, and have a VO2 max of 54. My cholesterol is high, LDL is high, total is high, and I've had cholesterol tested while on high fat/low carb diets, and while on low fat/higher carbs, and the cholesterol numbers are virtually identical every time. My doc wants to put me on a statin, screw that, I feel freaking fantastic!
@Mk7Albert 6 ай бұрын
You dont “feel” bad when your cholesterol is high… its the long term effects it causes in the body.. thats like saying i have high blood pressure and i feel great. Thats because hypertension is asymptomatic but causes damage long term
@HkFinn83 6 ай бұрын
@@Mk7Albertexactly. This kind of thing is a testament to the failure of public information and ‘looking it up for yourself’. People are scared of a medication that has saved more lives than arguably any other in the history of cardiology, and don’t care about cholesterol because somebody on the internet said it’s fine.
@PhonkEcho 6 ай бұрын
Have you checked your calcium levels in your arteries?
@normannl.2134 6 ай бұрын
It's similar for me. How high is your LDL and what is your diet like?
@r.bracemaker1734 6 ай бұрын
most people having cardiac events have normal cholesterol. Stop believing this nonsense.@@Mk7Albert
@wednesdayschild3627 2 ай бұрын
Transfats were lumped with real saturated fats. At first the doctors said all fats, so they were telling people nuts and avocado was bad. I am pretty sure frankenfats made ina lab are awful. Natural fats are different. Imo lowering cholesterol with statins is not the same as lowering cholesterol with food. Those pills do many things.
@patricksandridge6242 6 ай бұрын
Thankfully, there’s Dr Attia that is setting the record straight
@hawkandserpent 6 ай бұрын
well, that just through me through a loop
@satyakaamesh2634 6 ай бұрын
Question was for 5 minutes
@boydmccollum692 21 күн бұрын
Well the biggest elephant in the room is that Ancel Keyes was at Minnesota and the result of Frantz's study would have seriously damaged Keyes credibility. So Frantz didn't want to publish it. But please, continue to believe science is above all that mundane human nature stuff...
@luckyhanger1326 6 ай бұрын
If you think Dr. Keyes was wrong about saturated fat ..... prove him wrong! Maybe you should run your own 50 year study.
@Dylaniated 6 ай бұрын
This video takes about how he was proven not completely right with his own data that he didn't publish
@donwinston 6 ай бұрын
@@Dylaniated He was completely correct. There is no real doubt about it.
@gbeeghly9576 6 ай бұрын
lol he omitted all the countries that didn’t fit his hypothesis. He was also funded by Big Sugar. Feel free to look it up
@luckyhanger1326 6 ай бұрын
@@gbeeghly9576 yep, I have, they are all lies. Look it up. He selected countries that had standards when reporting death. The 22 Country follow up study found, if any of you read it, support for Dr. Keyes issues. There is actually a paper published by well know nutrition scientists that says all the Nina Tiecholts BS is just that....lies! What you described is all meat industry marketing that follows the cigarette industry play book. Remember back in the 1960s (and before but I wasn't around) when the cigarette industry said cigarettes were relaxing, calming, and not bad for you? How did that marketing program work? Oh yeah....people died smoking .... the scientists were right and the cigarette industry was marketing .... or lying .... what ever you want to call it.
@donwinston 6 ай бұрын
@@gbeeghly9576 You do not know what you are talking about.
@VMorgenthaler-yp6yz 23 күн бұрын
Ever notice how youngish these longevity experts are? Where are all the 100 year old longevity gurus? Them I will listen to.
@KJSvitko 6 ай бұрын
Health care costs are out of control. Going WFPB vegan can save money, pain and suffering from disease. Lower your chance of high blood pressure, heart disease and cancer by going vegan. Hospitals, doctors offices and schools should be places where good nutrition is taught and provided not places that contribute to disease and obesity. It is crazy the hospitals are feeding people the very food that caused the heart disease, high blood pressure or cancer that they are treating. Every person in the hospital should receive some nutrition education before being released. Every doctor visit should be an opportunity to educate patients about how food choices impacts their health outcomes. The fact that doctors do not get nutrition training as part of their training makes no sense. Medicare and Medicaid should require nutrition education as part of patient care. Focus should be on food choices, stress reduction, improving sleep and daily exercise.
@msconnleon 6 ай бұрын
There were so many commercials I couldn't even
@georgelewis5740 6 ай бұрын
Ublock origin and purge filters update as needed
@flynnoflenniken7402 6 ай бұрын
I use Brave browser and swap the inbuilt adblocking to "aggressive" for KZfaq. Never see any ads. Never get any popups about me blocking ads.
@mertonhirsch4734 6 ай бұрын
The pro-saturated fat model is that LDL rises with saturated fat intake BECAUSE LDL built on saturated fatty acids is not as prone to forming oxidized and glycosylated species that are the primary instigators of endothelial injury leading to CHD. The body allows higher LDL when it's built on saturated fats because it can't form oxidative radicals and is much harder to glycosylate than PUFAs. As a result, LDL elevations due to saturated fat intake DON'T correlate much less cause higher CHD. (That's the claim and it does hold up in certain parts at least).
@stellasternchen 4 ай бұрын
Long term high LDL-C levels have shown to increase cardiovascular events and death. Sorry but this is a fact. LDL-C might not be the best predictor though, as metabolic disease increases small LDL particles low in cholesterol, high in triglycerides and decreases large, as well as increses small HDL particles low in cholesterol and high in triglycerides and decreases HDL-C. So many obese people do not show the classic lipid risk profile. But a state of obesity is pathologic, not normal, and a risk factor for itself. It has nothing to do with PUFA, on the contrary, omega 3 has been shown in several studies lowering CVD risk.
@mertonhirsch4734 4 ай бұрын
@@stellasternchen See the Omega-3 paradox. My wife is a cardiologist and Omega-3 reduces risk, but only up to about 4% of daily maintenance calories. At that point risk of heart attack begins to rise. Anyway, I am only presenting the pro-saturated fat model, or mechanistic conjecture. The model is that LDL is only a risk factor when it is oxidized and glycosylated, and that the risk does not rise when LDL is elevated but not oxidized or glycosylated at high rates. That's the model. There are even suggestions that the liver allows higher LDL levels when saturated fat is higher because it doesn't raise oxidative and glycosylation stress, acting as a feedback mechanism. You can show that saturated fat raises LDL and that people with LDL are at higher risk, but you can not prove that people with higher LDL are at risk independent of the glycosylation and oxidized state of the LDL particles.
@Roberto-cg2gr 2 ай бұрын
Wait for the Result of LMHR.
@kerstinvoss 6 ай бұрын
So disappointed in Peter, the evidence is clear on saturated fats. The link to diabetes and LDL it’s not controversial. This interview is ridiculous.
@ClassicJukeboxBand 5 ай бұрын
Actually, it is EXTREMELY controversial. You are telling us food humans and our ancestors ate for millions of years is designed to kill us. That is basically saying evolution is wrong.
@42dunbar 2 ай бұрын
Diabetes, you can’t be serious? Attia advocates for keeping LDL levels low to prevent heart disease.
@DaveIrish66 Ай бұрын
Show me that evidence, please.
@Divinefapper 5 ай бұрын
Answer: nope.
@thomasdunham8033 6 ай бұрын
Do a podcast with Zach bush, he’s got some good stuff on it
@2803987 6 ай бұрын
You can also take demographics data instead of scientific studies. Mediterenian diet is considered healthy due to olive oil, plants, etc, completely neglecting saturated fats intake, eg pork is main type of consumed meat in Spain, not to talk abput cheese consumption in France and Italy. These countries with lean people and long life expextancy have a good portion of their diet in saturated fats. On the other hand there was USA trend in zero fat with most of foods, but tons of sugar, it is clear how this manifests on obesity and diabetes.
@flolou8496 5 ай бұрын
Well what kind of ''adverse effects'' would even be anticipated if the average age of the people in the study's was under 65 to begin with ? (assuming 5 years was even long enough to develop arterial plaque in the first place )
@SuperDodoe 6 ай бұрын
yeah keep eating butter and steak.
@zene2550 6 ай бұрын
I think Attia is trying to say all things otheriwse it was an interesting and good study overall altougbt it had some flaws and don saying we overstated tbe harms of sfa and thats its jsut mostly extremes that are bad
@deanmartin1071 5 ай бұрын
Blanking on details is a very good dodge. It implies you just have too many things going on besides trivial corrupt studies that happen to show the opposite of the desired finding. Well done!
@hikedayley9309 6 ай бұрын
So in essence its all about caloric intake. Obese people eating too many calories along with high saturated fat is bad. Lean people eating lower calories can eat saturated fats if they want and be ok.
@napnap609 5 ай бұрын
According to them...Which is ridiculous because tall lean muscled, properly weighted, people can have all kinds of issues internally. It's not calories in calories out as Don says. If I ate 2000 cal a day of pure sugar it would f me up and anyone else doing that. The type of calorie matters.
@erastvandoren 5 ай бұрын
Attia continues to interview charlatans.
@bartrobinson2103 5 ай бұрын
He is a complete joke and bought and sold by the pharmaceutical industry
@pjmclach 6 ай бұрын
Fred Kummerow was awesome
@makingapoint 3 ай бұрын
LDL can be split into bad and good LDL with the bad LDL coming from sugars.
@pegatrisedmice 3 ай бұрын
nice bro science
@stevend481 10 күн бұрын
Ok doctor lol. What a genius statement
@MrRONFULLER 6 ай бұрын
Look at the eproduction of the Ecosanoid hormones
@HendersonHinchfinch 6 ай бұрын
Shout out to U of M
@petey4018 6 ай бұрын
Chronic inflamation leads to heart disease.
@napnap609 5 ай бұрын
Indeed it is one of the elements.
@xtdude 5 ай бұрын
How to justify your dietary preference: 1) find a single, very old, and small study supporting your position; 2) make ad hominem attacks on a dead person who can't defend themselves; 3) pretend like the only recent study that counts is the one that supports your position; 4) have on someone who is an expert in an area that is not related to your position.
@willnitschke 5 ай бұрын
This wasn't meant to be a sweeping meta analysis of the poly/saturated debate. It wasn't an ad hominen either. Nobody was pretending. Way too much arse pain in your comment, and little to no thinking.
@xtdude 5 ай бұрын
@@willnitschkethen what was it supposed to be?
@willnitschke 5 ай бұрын
@@xtdudeIt remains a nonsense discussion and only your last point was valid, as it was the one thing that was potentially constructive. But just because the discussion was ultimately nonsense, that doesn't change the fact that your criticism was ridiculous.
@willnitschke 5 ай бұрын
@@xtdudeI can dumb stuff down for people like you if I have to.
@motap001 5 ай бұрын
Oreo cookies work
@ballapalleballe 5 ай бұрын
Don Layman is just Cool.
@napnap609 5 ай бұрын
Except that whenever I watch him speak, I never get any clarity from him for some reason. He communication style just doesn't do it for me.
@willnitschke 5 ай бұрын
@@napnap609Or maybe it's just a clever sounding way to admit he doesn't know the answers either.
@bartrobinson2103 5 ай бұрын
They're both pathetic
@henrikmadsen2176 3 ай бұрын
Trans fats are banned. But I have hear that it can still be there - just have to be lower than 1% But what is a "trans fat" actually ?? Is it possible that other "manufactured fats" / "altered fats" have similar bad effects, but not yet documented ?? A bit like banning PFAS (a type of plastic molecule), then just replacing it with many other similar molecules ??
@ClassicJukeboxBand 16 күн бұрын
Trans fats are just poly-unsaturated fats with some hydrogen added. That makes them partially hydrogenated fat, or Crisco.
@henrikmadsen2176 8 күн бұрын
@@ClassicJukeboxBand And they are bad, everyone says. Are there other altered fats in food ?
@svenpetrus588 6 ай бұрын
I'm quite new to this matter. Is there any guideline of how many grams of saturated fat would be too much per day(compared to total calorie intake or bodyweight or whatever). Or are there too many other factors and you kind of have to figure that out by yourself by doing bloodtests(if yes, APO-b would be the one to measure right? since Attia stated in a podcast with Huberman "I only care about APO-b")
@willnitschke 5 ай бұрын
I study health topics about 10 hours a week, and have been doing so for the last 7-8 years. I've found no good evidence to be concerned about saturated fat provided that (and these are important but's...) you have poor genetics. First get a CAC score done and then a CIMT. If you flunk those tests, then get your ApoB levels tested. Of more importance, healthy weight, high protein diet, lower your carbs, exercise a lot.
@sabby123456789 6 ай бұрын
A high saturated fat diet is harmful if you have the ApoE4 allele, cholesterol hyperabsorption, or familial hypercholesterolaemia.
@jimdandy8996 6 ай бұрын
In any case, it increases blood viscosity, which can be a problem.
@113zorba 5 ай бұрын
5 years is not enough time. Atheroscleroisis takes 20-30nyears or more.
@willnitschke 5 ай бұрын
Correct. They did not have tools back then to measure gradual plaque accumulation. So what you're watching are two dumbnuts discussing useless junk for 9 minutes. Welcome to the world of utube health gurus.
@catitude4 6 ай бұрын
No it doesn't. Sugar, grains and carbs do that, processed foods.
@merrieleiderman1885 6 ай бұрын
The statement made in the last two minutes or so of this clip applies to sugar, grains, and processed foods too.
@Jimmy-Legs 6 ай бұрын
Yes, they do that also bro.
@donwinston 6 ай бұрын
No. LDL/APOB is a REQUIREMENT for atherosclerosis. Without it you cannot get cardiovascular disease even if you smoke, are fat and diabetic, and chronically inflamed. This issue is not remotely debatable. High consumption of saturated fat causes cardiovascular disease. Trans fats are unhealthy for the same reason saturated fat is. They raise your LDL cholesterol to unhealthy levels.
@thelaststylebender1678 6 ай бұрын
healthy people with very low risk of heart disease do live longer with a modest increase in total cholesterol and LDL. That's just a fact based on many studies, some case-control but some prospective cohorts.
@curious_boy9092 6 ай бұрын
fore sure, doesnt matter where i look, all the recommendations from WHO, AHA; books from cardiologist's, studys', saturated fat increases LDL in your blood, which accumulate over time on the wall of your arteries..it makes sense to reduce but not avoid(!) hight fat diarys, meat and things like chocholate
@lMP5602 6 ай бұрын
But not all LDL types are bad for you, though.
@zlmdragon. 6 ай бұрын
"LDL in your blood, which accumulate over time on the wall of your arteries" what drives that? there are many things in the blood
@merrieleiderman1885 6 ай бұрын
If that were true it would accumulate over the entire length of all arteries since blood is flowing through the entire length of all arteries, but that is not what happens.
@frontierlandfrank5314 6 ай бұрын
Wild to believe the WHO after what they’ve done the last couple years.
@sidolin6671 6 ай бұрын
It only applies to people who eat carb
@jesseshaver2262 6 ай бұрын
Ordered statins online today. I’m not risking it. Want ApoB as low as I can. I’m 34
@longshanks5531 6 ай бұрын
What is your APoB level now? What’s your diet like?
@supersonicsenses 6 ай бұрын
The drug company shareholders must rub their hands together in glee, every time they snare someone for life with their harmful medication. Do you really believe you have a statin deficiency?
@cv5369 6 ай бұрын
Link to where you placed your order?
@michaelyoon9355 6 ай бұрын
statin a med, what do you mean by statin deficiency? its not a vitamin,@@supersonicsenses
@4ourthofjuly 6 ай бұрын
@@supersonicsenses Do you believe you have an antibiotics deficiency when a Dr orders some for an infection? Medicine is more complicated than you seem to think.
@jmseipp 5 ай бұрын
Yes! Google ‘Low carbohydrate diets lead to premature death’
@willnitschke 5 ай бұрын
Yeah based on a food questionnaire. Junk science at its finest. 🤣
@jmseipp 5 ай бұрын
@@willnitschke The very worst JUNK science is from those claiming that you can turn your body into a graveyard for dead animals and let their flesh rot in your bowels 24/7 for YEARS and that you’ll magically be able to meet your wellness goals. It ain’t ever gonna happen. Three recent studies reveal that keto and carnivore diets lead to premature death: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/neCVg5Sgx6jJY2Q.htmlsi=rrzR2HzuTXQuEU5n
@willnitschke 5 ай бұрын
@@jmseippThat's just wierdo vegan ideology, sorry. The "evidence'" you cite is the same tired old epidemiology, which is arbitrarily adjusted for co-founders, such that the researchers derive whatever conclusions they wanted, before they began the study. Observational studies are mostly junk science, because drawing causal conclusion from observation is not science. Anyway, I was making a point about actual science and have no interest in your strange theology, which is on full display given the scripture you're parroting at me.
@bartrobinson2103 5 ай бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@bartrobinson2103 5 ай бұрын
@jmse Clueless indeed you are
@msagoo29 6 ай бұрын
There are studies that show a reduction in arterial wall elasticity, with a CT scan, after a heavy consumption of red meat and saturated fat ladened foods.
@ymwo97679 6 ай бұрын
What were the initial long term diets of the participants of the experiments? It would be valuable to know this precisely.
@janstone2365 6 ай бұрын
I actually notice less firm mornibg wood after such a meal
@thed1taumaruvegas 6 ай бұрын
Shawn Baker enters the group chat.....
@robhicks9794 5 ай бұрын
Comparing poly-unsaturated with saturated fats? To what end? How much polyunsaturated fat did that group have to ingest to compensate for the same number of fat calories as the saturated fat group? And from what sources? What balanced diet could contain that amount of PUFs? What were the ratios of thing like omega 3s to 6s? How much of this had been hydrogenated /ultra- processed/? And "no mono-unsaturated fats were injured in the making of" this 'experiment'? I give this project an 'F'! Peter, your credibility just took a dip with me. Given creedence to this meaningless exercise just looks like a convoluted and feeble attempt to promote the consumption of animal products.
@ClassicJukeboxBand 5 ай бұрын
Human instinct tells us that meat is real food. No studies are necessary. That is why the two main reasons vegans go back to eating meat, which is cravings and health problems. If people crave meat, it's evolution telling you it's real food. No studies are necessary. We know humans evolved to eat meat, period.
@willnitschke 5 ай бұрын
@cJukeboxBand Look, we've only been eating primarily protein and fat for 350 thousand years, and our close ancestors for another 3 million. If you're going to tell me are not adapted to it, you'd better give me very good evidence that our genetics have changed dramatically in the last 10,000 years.
@ClassicJukeboxBand 5 ай бұрын
@@willnitschkeI agree. What did I say you thought was wrong?
@ClassicJukeboxBand 5 ай бұрын
@@willnitschkeI would say a certain amount of genetic mutation would go on in 10k years. I see tall and thin humans, and shorter humans. I think the shorter humans tend to eat more crops than the meat eaters do.
@willnitschke 5 ай бұрын
@@ClassicJukeboxBandI see no evidence that species can entirely flip their diets and redesign their digestive systems in 10K. Do you have an example?
@VladdyDaddy369 6 ай бұрын
Very interesting... So then, does this mostly point to calories being the determining factor?
@Witcherworks 6 ай бұрын
More calorie composition. This is why sugar is the low hanging fruit everyone targets. When the hidden problem is fat.
@VladdyDaddy369 6 ай бұрын
@@Witcherworks Thanks for your comment. My question was not regarding sugar vs fats but rather PUFAs vs Saturated fats, if total calories are not exceeded. (This is in relation to the comment in the latter part of the video)
@Witcherworks 6 ай бұрын
@@VladdyDaddy369 Yes I understand. Im just adding that the composition of calories matters. People tend to count calories in isolation when they have health issues. Saturated fat is bad when it cannot be utilized as energy. It will build up slowly overtime. This is more an issue for low fat/weight individuals than high fat/weight individuals as one can see the problem for a long time and the other cannot.
@MrStreetninja007 6 ай бұрын
The determining factor is somebody who is metabolically healthy at the end of the day Versus people who are not
@VladdyDaddy369 6 ай бұрын
@@MrStreetninja007 Thank you! 👍
@Jimmy-Legs 6 ай бұрын
This is going to p*SS off a bunch of carnivores.
@tommydinob 6 ай бұрын
Gonna trigger the fanboys and self diagnosed LMHR’s.
@ClassicJukeboxBand 5 ай бұрын
No, I'm a carnivore. Attia says some good things, but he is too much of a scientist and ignores historical and evolutionary facts in his analysis. History clearly shows meat is human food, and is good for us.
@Jimmy-Legs 5 ай бұрын
@@ClassicJukeboxBand “Meat is human food and is good for us”. Which is why 98% of the 8 billion people on planet earth eat meat. Brilliant statement bro.
@KJSvitko 6 ай бұрын
You are what you eat. Your diet impacts your health. Lower stress, reduce obesity, get enough sleep and more exercise are key to a healthy life. Obesity in children and adults is rising across the world. Fast food and sugary drinks including fruit juices are contributing to the problem of poor health and obesity. Eat a healthy plant based diet and exercise regularly. Reduce or ELIMINATE cows milk, eggs, cheese and meat. Eat more salad greens, beans, fruit and vegetables. Eliminate fast food, snacks like cookies, cakes, chips, and sugary drinks and juices. Every adult and child should own a bicycle and ride it regularly. Regular exercise will help you sleep better. Yoga is a great stress reducer. Obesity is all too common today. Get off the couch. Get off the phone, ipad or video game. A variety of stretching and other exercises help with increased mobility. Ride to work, ride to school, ride for fun. Every city should be a bicycle city. Speak up for bicycles in your community
@robert111k 6 ай бұрын
Is this supposed to be science? It doesn't look like it at all.
@johntu1967 6 ай бұрын
It's a youtube video, bozo. If you want the science, read the research they refer to in the video.
@robert111k 6 ай бұрын
@@johntu1967, I've already read it and, curiously enough, it doesn't look like science either.
@ymwo97679 6 ай бұрын
@@robert111kYou do need a lot of context to appreciate this video. It’s not a useful clip
@mentionifwrong 6 ай бұрын
Read your Bible.
@MrStreetninja007 6 ай бұрын
They are literally talking about studies? How does it not sound like science?
@rafaelandliammostly5316 6 ай бұрын
🇧🇷👍
@AislingDonohoe 6 ай бұрын
BS. So much misinformation.
@dominicgaudin3400 6 ай бұрын
Otzi the iceman had heart disease. Paleo, high fat diet. Heart disease is a human problem…
@asarcadyn2414 3 ай бұрын
Otzi was likely moderate fat moderate carb - the perfect diet for bad health.
@traceygratch95 5 ай бұрын
Peter Attia, twisting himself into a pretzel to confirm his bias, yet again 🥨
@willnitschke 5 ай бұрын
The thing I've noticed about utube health gurus is they decide what they want to do first, then spend the rest of the year rationalizing why they are doing what they are doing. Then next year they try something different. Rinse and repeat. 😉
@ToniCroX 6 ай бұрын
Yes, they do.
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