Who would have thought that it is easier to eat more fruits and vegetables on a vegen diet?
@Joseph1NJ8 ай бұрын
And who would have thought you'd have healthier biomarkers in just eight weeks?
@The_Legend_Himself6 ай бұрын
@@Joseph1NJit’s pretty expected at least LDL positive or negative changes can be seen within 3 weeks.
@Joseph1NJ6 ай бұрын
@@The_Legend_Himself yup.
@McCaffreyPickleball8 ай бұрын
Read this study last week. This is a very accurate & reasonable take.
@MattLaneFitness8 ай бұрын
This is the official Petition for Brian to include the outtakes from now on.
@kaisuminski69588 ай бұрын
Yes
@MegaJohnnyboy508 ай бұрын
Seconded
@MattLaneFitness7 ай бұрын
The guy liked the comment….I can die fulfilled now. 😂 RN & Trainer here. Thank you for what you do. You’ve helped shape the coaching I do. Ya da man!
@gordonv.cormack32168 ай бұрын
Right. So I can continue with my carnivore diet, so long as I choose high fiber, low saturated fat, high unsaturated fat, meat.
@MmartinL8 ай бұрын
Is this just really good sarcasm?
@silentfriend3698 ай бұрын
Lol!
@Pazuzu-8 ай бұрын
As long as you are not a couch lard behemoth, you're good to go.
@throbbinwoodofcoxley68308 ай бұрын
Carnivore diet is as stupid as veganism. Look at your damn teeth people, they tell you what you’re made to eat.
@henrikmadsen21768 ай бұрын
Exactly hahaha 😅
@kev23dk7 ай бұрын
This is definitely the Netflix Docu: You are what you eat.. Exactly my thoughts. Thanks Layne! :D
@xIronwafflexx8 ай бұрын
Saw this coming. I had a strong feeling that fiber and lack of saturated fat was going to play a major role in this study.
@jakubchrobry37018 ай бұрын
You can have a lack of saturated fat? I don't think you need any. Alpha-linolenic acid and linoleic acid are the only fats/fatty acids that are essential.
@xIronwafflexx8 ай бұрын
WTF are you talking about? Where did I ever say you needed saturated fat? You are using big words but have no reading comprehension skills. Two options here, you didn't watch the video, so you took my comment out of context, or you clearly don't have the ability to comprehend what you read. smh @@jakubchrobry3701
@Al-.-ex8 ай бұрын
@@jakubchrobry3701lack of X can just mean “less of X than is expected/normal”, it doesn’t have to mean “less of X than required/wanted”
@jakubchrobry37018 ай бұрын
@@Al-.-ex Can you provide a source for your definition of "lack." According to Oxford, lack is "the state of being without or not having enough of something." How can you not have enough of a nutrient that's not essential?
@Al-.-ex8 ай бұрын
@@jakubchrobry3701 different dictionaries disagree on whether the missing thing is required, or just wanted, or even just customary / expected. Some omit even that. The tragedy of stupid prescriptivists is they have no smart prescriptivists to learn from.
@Joseph1NJ8 ай бұрын
I think they intentionally did not make the study isocaloric because satiety was part of the objective.
@devvyas67516 ай бұрын
how does it risk safety?
@Joseph1NJ6 ай бұрын
@@devvyas6751 "satiety"
@devvyas67516 ай бұрын
mah bad @@Joseph1NJ
@jeffreyjohnson73598 ай бұрын
I don't think it's a mystery at this point. The healthiest diet reduces or eliminates trans fats and refined carbohydrates, limits saturated fats, salt, and calories, and emphasizes fiber, unsaturated fats, and proteins.
@avinashtyagi28 ай бұрын
And it's just easier to do on a whole foods plant based diet than any other
@avinashtyagi28 ай бұрын
You claimed in another post that Fish and dairy are healthy, they may be healthier than other animal products, but they are not the optimal foods compared to plant foods.
@tatywork91268 ай бұрын
@@avinashtyagi2 plant based lacks proteins.
@theirukandjisyndrome8 ай бұрын
@@tatywork9126Lol, no it does not. Plenty of protein in plants.
@avinashtyagi28 ай бұрын
@@tatywork9126 One Block of Super firm Tofu has 70 Grams of Protein
@contextwithjohnmalone6 ай бұрын
Soooo moderation is the key 🤔 And eat vegetables high in fiber like carrots, beets, and Paul Saladino’s favorite vegetable (broccoli) 🥦💚 I absolutely love and respect how much you prioritize data over feelings. I have a lot to learn from you Layne. Thanks for being a voice of reason here.
@perry-w-willis8 ай бұрын
Strange reasoning. You say there is nothing inherent to meat that makes it less healthy, yet meat inherently has saturated fat and no fiber, the very things that seem to make a difference in this study, and others.
@davisantos34318 ай бұрын
Exactly. When you substitute animal protein for plant protein, you naturally eat more fiber and less saturated fat. It's a no-brainer. Trying to dissociate it is delusional.
@Teo_live7 ай бұрын
@@davisantos3431 It gets dissociated since there is no reason someone eating meat can't get enough (or even excessive) fiber unless they are full-on carnivore. Any diet with a sufficient amount of plants will do this, and you don't need to eat nothing but plants to achieve it.
@canadagirl27427 ай бұрын
One of the big points in the series is that animal agriculture is bad for the planet. You have not mentioned this at all in your video. If you are going to eat meat and if you care for the future of the planet, then you should know where your meat and fish come from! Factory farming is unsustainable. A person can eat meat but obviously eating less is better for the person and the planet.
@toph101676 ай бұрын
@@canadagirl2742 probably because this a channel on nutrition and not climate change science. BTW animal agriculture is not that bad for the environment compared to total GHG as a whole. GHGs due to beef agriculture is like 3% of total GHGs. Total agriculture GHG emissions is around 7%. Beef is the largest thing on there, but you're better off helping us increase political will to have governments put everyone on affordable renewable electricity and affordable electric vehicles. Not eating meat is mere pennies of environmental sustainability whereas energy production and transportation is really the elephant in the room when it comes to climate change.
@VegetaPrinceOfSaiyans6 ай бұрын
Eat leaner meats and more plants. Not hard to figure that out.
@rebella57698 ай бұрын
Excellent point. I heard about this study and was hoping Layne would explain it. Thanks so much
@Mrm19851008 ай бұрын
8:08: meat has large amounts of saturated fat and is devoid of fiber.
@VegetaPrinceOfSaiyans6 ай бұрын
Get leaner meat and eat more fiber, genius. Fish is mostly unsaturated fat as well.
@bennconner11958 ай бұрын
The take away from this study is to eat more fruits & veg.
@throbbinwoodofcoxley68308 ай бұрын
The real takeaway is don’t be dumb enough to believe a study from woke assed Stanford.
@chezqyah8 ай бұрын
Looks like this study supports if you eat a more plant based diet you are more satiated, have more fiber, less saturated fat and this provides health benefits. If you on an omnivore diet you must be cautious on the type of meat, the way you cook it and the quantity making sure you have a well rounded diet still beneficial to eat a majority plant based diet. This should bring awareness to the need for more whole food plants in everyone's diet.
@ilyas85978 ай бұрын
Why primal diet promoters don't say that hunter guatharer tribes like hadza eat 100g to 150g of fibre per day and much less saturated fat and dietary fat and sodium than average modern diet
@Joseph1NJ8 ай бұрын
Because they're meatheads?
@mitkoogrozev8 ай бұрын
Cause meat is manly. Hunting is manly. They have the image of a big muscular primitive man single handedly taking down mammoths with primitive tech, so they look up to it. It's an image of strength and manliness which hampers their ability to consider contrary information.
@BendeMark8 ай бұрын
The general outake from most commentators, including experts is that plantbased eaters must or practice an extra modicum of care in their diet, while making it seem like that’s unique to this diet type. Both omnivores and plant eaters must take just as much care.
@Stormie338 ай бұрын
To some extent, anyone can obviously eat a poor diet that's lacking in nutrients. But in general, I think eating a wider variety of foods is better than limiting yourself to one food type as far as nutrients go. There are many other potential reasons to want to cut out certain foods though that may be more important than possible vitamin deficiencies.
@rawuser18738 ай бұрын
@@Stormie33❤😅
@Teo_live7 ай бұрын
People should take care on all diets, but veganism even more so since malnutrition risk increases, and the number 1 reason for quitting veganism is malnutrition concerns.
@timothys92888 ай бұрын
"Of course, I found in the study that the plant based diet had more fiber and less saturated fat than the meat containing diet." "Of course, I found in the study that the water drinkers had more hydration and less toxicity than the alcohol drinkers" Right. Who would have thought?
@D.Fay_Coe8 ай бұрын
excellent information. love the format and data
@VictoriaMorganawesometori8 ай бұрын
Vegetables are good. Seems like we all need to eat more of them.
@throbbinwoodofcoxley68308 ай бұрын
Lean meat is amazing. We need to stop vilifying it.
I don't understand your conclusion. The point is that a whole-food plant-based diet is naturally high in fiber and low in saturated fat. So, it *is* superior to an omnivorous diet in this regard.
@donwinston8 ай бұрын
In practice, not in theory.
@jakubchrobry37018 ай бұрын
He can't say that because he would lose subscribers. He won't even say to stay away from beef.
@russell30388 ай бұрын
If you ignore protein and muscle synthesis. Yes.
@jakubchrobry37018 ай бұрын
@@russell3038 Why would you ignore protein and muscle synthesis? I'm not sure what that has to do with eating plants.
@russell30388 ай бұрын
@@jakubchrobry3701 harder to get enough protein (not impossible!) and also animal protein has a more effective amino acid stack)
@phuocdo63268 ай бұрын
The study designer knew about the fiber and saturated fat as evidenced by the meal prep design. If they were going to study change in fiber and saturated fat, why didn’t they randomize the omnivore group toward meat low in saturated fat? Maybe even sashimi, alcohol, dark chocolate?
@MammothMorals8 ай бұрын
I didn't know alcohol and dark chocolate were meats...
@throbbinwoodofcoxley68308 ай бұрын
The study designer also knew for actual scientific evidence, you’d have to feed both groups either “clean diet” or “dirty diet, instead of feeding the group you want to show as more healthy a clean diet and the group you want to show as less healthy a dirty diet. The difference in diet cleanliness is likely the difference in the findings. It’s absolutely disgusting that none of the content creators seem to want to mention this point, being that it basically invalidates the entire study.
@Teo_live7 ай бұрын
@@throbbinwoodofcoxley6830 I believe the study also had scientists funded by beyond meat, which gives some incentive as to why they biased it against the omnivore group. Also the fruit and vegetable recommendations for the omnivore group was ridiculously low, like half the servings usually recommended.
@megaj91758 ай бұрын
As someone that’s been plant based for over a decade, I really appreciate you keeping the evangelicals in line with these reviews. I just know I’m going to see some dogmatic vegans touting this study as the ultimate proof that there’s only one optimal diet.
@avinashtyagi28 ай бұрын
Whole foods plant based is superior, I'm losing a ton of weight without ever counting a single calorie, and I never feel like I'm starving, it's like having cheat codes.
@Nanashi-sz6wc8 ай бұрын
Why do you think a diet being optimal is more important than being ethical? If eating humans was the most optimal diet, would you adopt it?
@C0d0ps8 ай бұрын
@@Nanashi-sz6wc Optional and optimal doesn’t mean the same thing Also eating cows or chickens doesn’t equate to eating humans
@Nanashi-sz6wc8 ай бұрын
@@C0d0ps That was a typo, I meant to say optimal in both instances. I never said they were the same thing, or equated them. Could you answer the question?
@B-a_s-H8 ай бұрын
@@Nanashi-sz6wc Animals eat animals... When a lion kills a wildebeest it's far often more slowly and horrific then when a butcher kills an animal. Have you ever seen a polar bear slaughter a seal? Some animals are cannibalistic... A praying mantis eats her partner after mating... Some animals even seem to enjoy maiming other animals Ever seen a chimpanzee ripping a monkey to pieces? Some animals eat their own newborn babies... Hamsters do this... So what/who's ethics? Definitely not nature's... Plants and trees provide us with oxygen.... So, it seems a bit silly to eat those, right? Or use wood as a building resource. Also, maybe plants have feelings too... :P Again, what/who's ethics? Definitely not nature's... It's fine that people decide for themselves to make a certain choice. Just don't push that personal view onto others and/or shame/blame them for choosing differently. *That* is quite unethical.
@louis-charlesdesjardins6888 ай бұрын
I would also point out that comparing identical twins in a parallel study is not as reliable as comparing the same person in crossover as epigenetic marks will differ between twins. That being said, a crossover design doesn’t work to measure weight loss.
@Ryan-wx1bi8 ай бұрын
So basically eat your fiber, eat less saturated fats and don't have too many calories. Shocker
@Pazuzu-8 ай бұрын
Discovering fire
@bd_bsl57076 ай бұрын
The problem is if you eat a really large amount of meat, you will consume a lot of saturated fat and it could be exceedinly difficult to offset it by enough plant food with fiber. I tried and it didn't work for me. Had to almost completely eliminate meat to keep my LDL in check
@balintt58388 ай бұрын
Thanks for the work and effort! Great educational video!
@00piper180008 ай бұрын
For the algorithm
@AB-lb4zv8 ай бұрын
FOR THE ALGORITHM
@octavianandron96358 ай бұрын
I am all 4 it.
@Teo_live7 ай бұрын
Algorithm!
@bobbybrown12588 ай бұрын
I think it shows that for people who dont pay attention to what they eat, any effort to eat less processed food, more fibre etc is good for you. Veganism is a popular way to do that is no doubt better then the standard american diet. But so are many other diets.
@liftheavyhunthard098 ай бұрын
Layne, I don't know if you will see this but I have been watching your videos for years and I am genuinely curious, I have genetic high cholesterol and I think I am hitting all the keys you mentioned to keep cholesterol low... but my question is I am having a hard time finding consistent information with some of the qualifiers, for example what qualifies and enough fiber, how much saturated fat is considered low, how much polyunsaturated fats and fiber would be considered high enough to offset harmful effects. Thanks
@ThrowinBombs808 ай бұрын
There really isn't a number that would allow for you to have an inextricable understanding of how much is too much and how little is too little. There's a lot of variances that goes into stuff like this. I would start with a number and go from there. Keep in contact with your doctor and make sure they're on the same page with your experimentations as well.
@TangoMasterclassCom8 ай бұрын
The American Heart Association recommends less than 10% of one's calories from saturated fat. So if you eat 2000 cal, the upper limit would be 20 gram per day. Recommendations for fiber is: at least 25 grams. In general more fiber is usually better (as long as you don't have gut problems). Also if you are used to very low fiber, build up slowly, so that you give your micobiota time to develop.
@stefanief7238 ай бұрын
I feel like I have heard layne say that fiber should be 15grams per 1000 calories so 30 grams for a 2000 calorie day. I don't know about cholesterol.
@BaresarkSlayne8 ай бұрын
What you are describing is familial hypercholesterolemia. There really isn't a dietary answer for that, unfortunately. Your body produces extra cholesterol. All you can really do is watch for signs of CVD. Optimize your diet, sure, but you will never really be able to get your cholesterol to "healthy" levels, as described in lipid panel data.
@ThingsYoudontwanttohear8 ай бұрын
@@BaresarkSlayneThat sounds a bit depressing. Are you sure that a light statin, or other Lp(a)- and apoB-lowering drugs, would not help?
@tilfliegel8 ай бұрын
Well saturated fat is a component of meat. You can of course keep it low(er) by your choice of meat.
@leewitt558 ай бұрын
More great info from Layne! Let's get that fiber!!!
@Seanonyoutube8 ай бұрын
who is fiber
@BrysonKeenan8 ай бұрын
So, a WFPB diet isn’t a silver bullet, it’s just that it has fewer calories, less saturated fat, and more fiber. Pretty much why folks go WFPB. I’m not sure how you don’t see that you’re making their point for them… 🤷♂️😂
@davisantos34318 ай бұрын
Right? Diabetes, obesity, heart disease. Some of the leading causes of death and wfpb is better at preventing all of those, but people will still refuse to admit that it's better.
@Teo_live7 ай бұрын
ANY diet has fewer calories if someone wants it to. Even a diet of Icecream and donuts could have less calories. The participants chose to eat less calories, probably through satiation but any restrictive diet provides more satiation. Not to mention this is was a gardener study (beyond meat funds them). On a side note I really hate the term "WFPB" since it often piggybacks veganism with omnivore success. Mediterranean, vegetarian, pescatarian, some Japanese diets and even up to 20% animal diets (so my damn diet) all fall under the "WFPB" umbrella. So yeah it is a silver bullet when it is so vague it literally means any diet with a decent amount of plants.
@DrTomMD7 ай бұрын
So much nuance between health plant pure and healthy plant predominant (omnivore). But without even needing to read the study, the bottom line is that if one goes from what was presumably the average CRRAHP-SAD (CRRAHP=calorie rich, refined and highly processed) diet to a study diet and had no changes in biomarkers, the MEANINGFUL differences (saturated fat, fiber, PUFAs, calories and yes, wait for it, dietary cholesterol-let alone important micronutrients like sodium, potassium, magnesium and calcium) between pre-study diets of the omnivore group and what they ate during the study comes into serious question. Great video, as usual 👍🏽
@JHCastelo8 ай бұрын
Dr Layne, fiber intake is a negative correlated indicator for LDL. Eat more fiber less LDL to a certain level. I wonder if fiber supplements would have as much benefit or is fiber intake correlated with vegetables and fruit intake and that's the real deal.
@The_Legend_Himself6 ай бұрын
I believe there are studies looking at psyllium husk fibre supplementation showing LDL decrease. But a supplement is a supplement stick to whole foods as a primary source and a supplement as extra insurance.
@justinw17658 ай бұрын
Wow, what a revelation, plant based diet was higher in fiber and lower in saturated fat... That's kind of the point though, isn't it? If you're eating a lot of meat, it is harder to keep your saturated fat lower and your fiber higher than an equal or nearly equal (calorie) plant based diet.
@stevem83188 ай бұрын
But behind it all, fiber = bad for humans, saturated fat = good for humans. And higher cholesterol is not associated with heart disease in non-biased studies.
@stevem83188 ай бұрын
Read the comments in the carnivore videos to see many thousands of people who have a lived experience. Including many ex-vegans.
@Lb-ri5wr8 ай бұрын
literally, this guy is a clown
@siddhanthravichandran32454 ай бұрын
@@stevem8318ah yes... anecdotes..the best form of evidence
@scottreyman161823 күн бұрын
Great analysis... Appreciate your platform
@Han_807 ай бұрын
Just watched the Netflix documentary about this study ("You Are What You Eat") yesterday, and found it fascinating. Really appreciate this video for the commentary and clarification. 🙏
@howbradknew8 ай бұрын
Great content and explanation as always. It's great that you're a Ph.D. and bring it to us in normal words - and aren't stuffy, but dynamic!
@deadpres95348 ай бұрын
FINALLY LAYNE IS COMING BACK... Good to see u back.
@johnnyfog81348 ай бұрын
But Layne, every time you allocate calories for meat, cheese or eggs, you eat calories and use stomach place that you could allocate to low calorie food, rich in fiber, and low in saturated fat. I don't know why you keep denying that. I love your content, but I really fee likel it is the weak link in your reasoning. Would love to have an answer from you about this :) Love from Germany
@okrasvansee77888 ай бұрын
Eat lettuce and carrots all day. See how long you live. I will eat cheese and steak for every meal. I will live longer and be stronger
@Eustres8 ай бұрын
Oh but he doesn't deny it, he says that eating more of that its better. That's why he says if you are choosing to go for "meat, cheese or eggs" you have to be dilligent and concious about your other food. The key part is explaining the information so as the viewer knows how to make their decisions. If i eat low calorie food rich in fiber, low in saturated fats and mostly plant based foods (which i do) im full with a little amount of calories which means i still have plenty of room to include others food that i could enjoy independent of their macros/micros and it won't have an impact on my health.
@JohnSmith-yt8di8 ай бұрын
He never denied that. Just admit vegetarianism or veganism is your new religion. In fact, that some practical advice he has given in the past for people trying to lose weight. Eat more starches, eat more vegetables, eat more high fiber food as it's more satiating.
@davisantos34318 ай бұрын
@Eustres but then, why not ditch the meat, cheese and eggs if they provide no benefit?
@johnnyfog81346 ай бұрын
Yes it makes sense, thanks for the answer. But as we know there is a dose response between fiber intake and decrease mortality (As Layne also said in other videos) it would just make more sense to avoid foods groups that are high calories and don't contain any fiber. But I think the reason why Layne don't do that way in hie reasoning even if he doesn't outline it clearly, is that as he is an high level athlete, it is for him more convinient to keep on having animal products to get high amouts of easy available protein. But this reasoning doesn't applies well for the the overwhelming majority of the population I think :) @@PaulC-xv4zr
@spiderman2338 ай бұрын
"it is not that meat has some inherent component that causes increases in risk factors" Meanwhile in meat: almost all saturated fat and no fiber.
@logangaddy8 ай бұрын
my thoughts exactly 😅
@JohnSmith-yt8di8 ай бұрын
No the fat in meat is not all saturated fat. Especially with animals that have been fed conventional feed they have a lot of PUFA and MUFA. Only animal-based fat sources like butter and ghee are mostly SFA, and I believe coconut oil which is a plant based fat source has more saturated fat than the former two foods.
@throbbinwoodofcoxley68308 ай бұрын
@@JohnSmith-yt8didon’t even try with the zealots, they refuse to read the study and understand the fact they decided the results then designed a fake study to get said results.
@Teo_live7 ай бұрын
On what planet is meat "almost all saturated fat"? Do you think meat is pure lard? Have you not heard of lean meat before?
@MM-fy4bw6 ай бұрын
I'm not sold that the outcome was based on higher fiber and lower saturated fat. I've been on healthy keto for over a year with my husband eating meat (including lots of red meat and chicken skin) and fish twice daily along with a ton of veggies. I also consume other saturated fats from coconut on a regular basis. Our markers including LDL have lowered tremendously. What we are not eating is eggs or dairy. So in my opinion it is not the meat but maybe the dairy and or eggs that raise LDL and as long as you are metabolically healthy and other markers such as ApoB are good, higher LDL is not a prediction of heart disease. As always they left out other important factors and only focused on a narrow minded marker.
@conworldus8310Ай бұрын
We don't have a giant appendix to ferment all that fiber like herbivores. We absolutely should limit fiber intake because it adds bulk to stool and damage our digestive system.
@jaymills17207 ай бұрын
Doesn’t meat increase LDL? So it does have inherent risks versus protein from plants.
@mitkoogrozev7 ай бұрын
It does. The presenter was just coping since he really likes his meat. Thus why he tries to re-interpret everything to fit his bias.
@VegetaPrinceOfSaiyans6 ай бұрын
Saturated fat does. You can get leaner pieces of meat. Everyone seems to pretend all meat is the same when it's not. Get turkey breast if fat worries you.
@jaymills17206 ай бұрын
@@VegetaPrinceOfSaiyans even lean increases ldl
@VegetaPrinceOfSaiyans6 ай бұрын
@@jaymills1720 Cite that because that's essentially implying protein increases LDL, which makes zero sense. Check PMID: 15927927
@imemailingmybrother8 ай бұрын
I'm enjoying these videos around the holidays 😎
@arambarsamian631215 күн бұрын
There are numerous nutrients that affect health - not just saturated fat and fiber. But even if one were to grant that these two nutrients were the major factors, allow me to point out that if you eat meat, with every calorie from meat you are paying an opportunity cost. If you were to substitute every meat calorie with a calorie from whole plants, you’d be getting less saturated fat and you’d be getting fiber. You’d also be getting vitamin C, resistant starch, and hundreds of protective, health- and longevity-promoting phytonutrients, which are entirely absent from meat. Furthermore, consider the latest results from the NHANES study, according to which plant protein is much more health- and longevity-promoting than dairy and animal protein. The reasons to eat meat are fewer and fewer. The reasons to minimize or eliminate meat from one’s diet continue to amass in number. 🌱
@MathiasBolton8 ай бұрын
Yes
@musclemaster85098 ай бұрын
A great informative video, thanks for that❤❤❤
@AB-lb4zv8 ай бұрын
FORRR THE ALGORITHM 💪🏿
@mitesh8utube7 ай бұрын
So, now all we need is meat with fibre and pufa which is devoid of saturated fat.
@akn0187rmb8 ай бұрын
Oh, so when you eat fiber (plants) and replace saturated with unsaturated fat (plants) then things get better. Bro? What are you even trying to prove lol
@franzhulk29477 ай бұрын
Interesting that LDL is still a "problem thing" thought we were over it.
@Corrans6 ай бұрын
Been waiting for this video! Yay!
@NoirHammer7 ай бұрын
Funny how you suggest omnivores have to be more diligent with their diet yet that's all vegans ever hear from dieticians and nutritionists. I've always said one has to make healthy choices no matter what eating program one follows.
@MunchinYou-jy6km8 ай бұрын
Vegans, like myself, should not use health-based arguments for their ethical position. Trying to go into empirics or even anecdotal evidence is often a slow process approach. Most people don't have the time, motivation or skill to read studies. Even if omnivorous diets are healthier and more flexible, the ethical position of veganism stands. You run in contradiction, absurdity and logical fallacies if you say otherwise. At least I haven't head a compelling ethical argument against it
@cameronhuard76245 ай бұрын
He said there was nothing inherently wrong with meat but then says saturated fat is bad. I’m confused
@Kevin-uz6sv8 ай бұрын
Great video, and no one should expect an apology. Just the facts. Plant based carbon diet crew💚💚💚💚
@samgarvis45098 ай бұрын
High key fire video, interesting study
@arthursosajr.20318 ай бұрын
great explanation
@LowartOmega8 ай бұрын
Layne I love your content but for the love of God, fix the sound!
@dhmb28 ай бұрын
Excellent review!
@Joseph1NJ8 ай бұрын
Healthier biomarkers in just eight weeks.
@originalaasemkhanАй бұрын
I LOVE this analysis! Looking for nuance in the data. Love! It!
@Dave-lx3vt8 ай бұрын
Love the outtakes! For the ALGORITHM!
@petemccutchen32666 ай бұрын
Of course the vegans ate less. People will eat less of food that doesn’t taste good.
@jovanajovanovic98 ай бұрын
Great video! Thank you
@zeitgeist88708 ай бұрын
Who eats this much saturated fat?!?! 23% of calories? Wtf? I never exceed 10% unless I’m eating pizza or something.
@MmartinL8 ай бұрын
This is a misunderstanding. The 20% is from the fats profile as in 20% saturated fats, 35% polyunsaturated fats and 45% monounsaturated fats. Vegans consumed 36% of calories from fats and omnivores 39% of calories from fats overall. This would put for omnivores something like 31% of 39% of calories which is around 12% of calories from saturated fats, while vegans consumed 23% of 36% of calories, that is around 9% of calories from saturated fats.
@Pazuzu-8 ай бұрын
I do. Actually a lot more than that. Still ripped af.
Funny how loss of bodyweight/bodyfat is argued to be a confounder which invalidates the result of this study, but in keto resistance training studies its not considered a confounder and the sub par hypertrophy is instead explained by the magical properties of keto.
@throbbinwoodofcoxley68308 ай бұрын
Keto is snake oil. This study is invalid for a plethora of reasons.
@GrainMuncher8 ай бұрын
Something tells me you don’t understand as much as you think you do.
@classicgameplay106 ай бұрын
Well you can be omnivorous and still eat plenty of lentils of meals. Wouldnt that be ideal ?
@joelsombroek7 ай бұрын
Can the drop in body weight have been from muscle loss ?
@Atypical_Chad8 ай бұрын
I dont understand why they went the extra mile to get twins for the study, but didnt control for fiber and calories. It seems like such a large miss in the design. Like, if the purpose was just to see what the results would be of naturally following each diet, then why get twins? I dont get it.
@mitkoogrozev8 ай бұрын
Because it's a diet study, not isolated ingredients study. It would be like isolating saturated fat for animal products. No, it's part of the thing, and you eat it in a normal diet. You don't exclude it in your results. Just like fiber is an inseparable part of plant foods. The study tests real life actual ways people will eat, and that's what affects their health in practice. Same for the calories. Plant foods in general naturally control your calorie intake and it's harder to overeat , and that's how most people eat. They don't track anything, they go by taste and hunger. And whole foods plant based diets can automatically keep you at healthier weight on average. While others, not so much.
@Atypical_Chad8 ай бұрын
@mitkoogrozev I think you're missing my point. Im not saying to exclude anything. Im saying they should have controlled for fiber, macros, and calories in both groups as best as possible. If diet is what they wanted to test for, then why go through the trouble of getting twins? The point of getting twins is to take the variable of genetics out, or rather, match/control the genetics. Since they went as far to control for genetics, they clearly wanted to see the health results strictly from the diet. So why not control the dietary variables as well? If they only cared about how things would turn out naturally, for a person who isn't tracking, then they could have just used any person.
@davisantos34318 ай бұрын
@Atypical_Chad how exactly do you control fiber intake in a plant based diet if most plant foods are high in fiber? Only refined carbs and fats don't have fiber. If you were to equate the intake of every nutrient this study would make absolutely no sense. YOU are the one missing the point, because the study was meant to evaluate the outcomes of the healthiest possible versions of a plant based and omnivorous diets. The whole point is that the nutrients will be different.
@Atypical_Chad8 ай бұрын
@davisantos3431 You add more low calorie, fiber dense foods to the omnivorous diet, as the healthiest version should be high in fiber regardless. Again, the question is, why match genetics then? Did we need twins to tell us what the differences in nutrients would be? No. So I doubt that wad the primary focus. The only thing I can think of is that they didn't want to do a crossover trial, but I would imagine the results would be very similar.
@johntatman91686 ай бұрын
So the calorie deficit was the first bias that a quality study would have accounted for. Second you did mention anything in the study about overall lifestyles. Was one twin a drinker, a smoker an exerciser etc. Thirdly you did not mention who funded this study. Conformation bias, pulication bias, funding bias etc can make a study say whatever you want and this can all be determined before the study even starts.
@carinaekstrom15 ай бұрын
So if you are an omnivore you should probably keep it to less than 5% of calories. How many omnivores do that?
@Jdm52998 ай бұрын
If anything, this study debunks the carnivore diet and supports that a plant based diet is optimal for most humans. Plant based meaning, mostly plants, not zero animal product.
@BaresarkSlayne8 ай бұрын
I love when people use the word "debunks". It totally doesn't.
@noggintube8 ай бұрын
Unfortunately the fact the calories weren't equivalent ruins any meaningful interpretation. You can't simply say plant based diet is optimal when the improvement in blood markers could simply be due to the calorie deficit. I say that because the guy who recently ate only Macdonald's for a month but halved the portions ended up with improved blood markers. The reduction in calories improves things even when it's fast food. I'm really disappointed they didn't cover that after taking the time to.find twins for the study.
@silentfriend3698 ай бұрын
@@noggintubethe deficit was miniscule.
@Pazuzu-8 ай бұрын
As long as you are not a couch lard behemoth, you're good to go.
@Jdm52998 ай бұрын
@@BaresarkSlayne yes it does. Along with many, many other studies.
@calebpittman17598 ай бұрын
I'm proud to say that despite the headline, I knew a fiber plug was coming and I'm here for it. Shoutout to 35g of fiber a day and being regular AF. #LogGang
@throbbinwoodofcoxley68308 ай бұрын
I’m jealous. #ibsgang
@Justinegallows7 ай бұрын
I eat 90 grams of fiber a day@@throbbinwoodofcoxley6830
@theyetti907 ай бұрын
You're never going to be able to match the fiber and types of fats as with the whole food plant based diet. I'll say that as I'm about to eat some tuna and cheese with some veggies. I'll eat omnivorous while it's convenient for me, but I'm not under the illusion it's healthier than a whole food plant based diet. It's okay to admit you're not eating the best diet, but you're happy with that. If you won't adhere to a WFPB diet because you can't then it won't be best for you, and you have to pick certain foods to make sure you get all the nutrients you need. It's not a diet for people who don't enjoy research, unless someone tells you exactly what to eat.
@JackOfHearts428 ай бұрын
What a waste of a trial :( i would only have cared about the result if they were calorie, macronutrient & fiber matched. It only proved that differences in those cause measurable improved biomarkers, nothing to do with animal sources.
@throbbinwoodofcoxley68308 ай бұрын
That’s not even scratching the flawed surface of this fake study. They knew the answers they’d get before they conducted the theatre.
@Justinegallows7 ай бұрын
Lane is a fool. Dancing around the topic because he knows. Trying to say meat doesn't have inherently increase risk factors and plants dont inherently lower risk factors. Except saturated fat IS inherit in meat, and fiber IS inherit in plants. The less meat and more plants = Better outcomes.
@Justcetriyaart8 ай бұрын
Also question, wouldn't being a calorie deficit means your body "empties" so there's just less overall to raise cholesterol? As in if they were eating same diet but low cal, would it still affect cholesterol?
@JHCastelo8 ай бұрын
That's a intuition, but really not.
@Joseph1NJ8 ай бұрын
Yeah, I think they intentionally did not the study isocaloric because satiety was part of the objective.
@mpagkalos938 ай бұрын
Hi algorithm
@codyypeng8 ай бұрын
That was an amazing study. Man being a proponent of vegetarian i would love to use this study to show people that vegetarian is better BUT being abit more science-based, the truth is eating more fiber, and reducing saturated fats, more fruit and vegetables vary protein sources, have adequate activity and your health will be great!
@curtiscooksey13408 ай бұрын
Plants have more fiber, duh!
@bobbyventon50158 ай бұрын
Nice one as always! FTA!
@biancaopala997 ай бұрын
Now what about all the carnivore docs out there saying fiber isnt important but rather harmful (as it's a waste product) and that the cholesterol hypothesis of heart disease is incorrect (this is coming from a plant based person haha)
@Vventure238 ай бұрын
Is it coincidence that the ad leading to this video was for a "stud finder?" I don't think so 🤣🤣
@nuklearrik35678 ай бұрын
1:10 "ethical vegans" are the only vegans. Veganism is not a diet, nor a lifestyle. It's an ethical position. Plant-based is the type of diet
@larrykrakow89278 ай бұрын
Thank you
@SkyZer08 ай бұрын
just goes to show that more PUFA and fiber displacing SFA is beneficial regardless of your dietary regimen.
@IP.16 ай бұрын
Those take aways are great perimeters for me. Heart disease runs in my family. I track my eating. What do you recommend for Pattern B LDL?
@FITKitchenByPyo8 ай бұрын
"Forrrr..the algorithm"
@klocugh128 ай бұрын
Damn you, confounding variables!
@gf63928 ай бұрын
Good analysis
@angeladavies8 ай бұрын
Happy omnivore including fibre, polyunsaturated, lean protein.
@sandeepchima27668 ай бұрын
Quality info.
@kjlovescoffee8 ай бұрын
As Omar Isuf (used to) say: "Eat your vegetables, eat your vegetables, eat your f**king vegetables!"
@Bfly1993Health8 ай бұрын
Algorithm boost!
@Mrm19851008 ай бұрын
8:26: if your omnivorous diet is practically the same as a plant-based diet it can be healthy!
@mitkoogrozev8 ай бұрын
Yes, but you have to stretch the definition of "omnivorous" to it's limits . The diet is almost plant based at this point. At 95% whole food plant based , if the other 5% is meat or veggies, then it's hard to say which one is better. And since there's massive environmental and ethical problems associated with meat consumption, just make that last 5% to be made out of plants as well.
@Mrm19851008 ай бұрын
@@mitkoogrozev I agree. I was making fun of what he was saying. I'm 100% plant-based.
@Marcus_PG8 ай бұрын
Does it matter what type of fibre is consumed - soluble or insoluble that improves health markers?
@mitkoogrozev8 ай бұрын
Don't overthink it, you can't select those, so just think of it on the level of foods. It's just about : eating more plants (whole foods, minimally or not processed) = better, eating less = worse.
@Pluvo2for18 ай бұрын
It would have also been good to see if there were other nutrients that the vegans were missing.
@fionadale80446 ай бұрын
What makes you think they were missing any? I'm WFPB. I use the chronometer app once a quarter to make sure everything is in order and nothing missing. Blood tests have never been better. Omega 3 levels are perfect. ALL diets need to be well rounded, INCLUDING an omnivore diet.