wont happen, for various reasons, one being i dont think joe will have a third or fourth podcast about the game changers

It would go forever because people will bring up study after study and you would have to read each one to check validity. I read three of Layne's suggested studies and they were garbage. My money would be on James to win comfortably but no one would watch to the end of the debate

@@tsum7662 lol, your money would be on a mma fighter and not the experts? Nice

@@sleuwi well he does have a team behind him. But I'm basing it purely on the studies that the two have suggested and James offered more sound logical studies than Layne

@@tsum7662 i think Layne did a very good job debunking game changers and the debate that followed, but i gotta be honest im not going to go through all these studies so i might be wrong

Not a chance lol

KoDeeZ x who’s Goku ?

Spoder Gibbs Wilkes obviously

Layne scared him away with this for sure

I don't think James would ever debate Layne

Obviously, it’s still possible to lose weight on any diet - just eat fewer calories than you burn, right? The problem with this simplistic advice is that it ignores the elephant in the room: hunger. Most people don’t like to “just eat less,” as it may result in having to go hungry forever. Sooner or later, many will likely give up and eat without restriction, hence the prevalence of “yo-yo dieting.” While it should be possible to lose weight on any diet, some appear to make it easier and some to make it much harder. The main advantage of the low-carb diet is that it may cause you to want to eat less. Even without counting calories, overweight people tend to eat fewer calories on low carbs. Thus, calories count, but you don’t need to count them.

There were no holes that I could find. James strongest content in his debate came with the most important points on protein, protein quality and B12 in a plant based diet. James proved all he needed to to show his movie Game Changers was accurate.

Yes and no. The debate wasn't really about a certain topic. It was a debate-rebuttal to Chris Kresser's critique on the Game Changers documentary

*would have

Marc Ritz tbh, Kresser shouldn’t have been there in the first place.

layne norton is biased and industry funded so not the expert or factual!

sirgay meerkat you really displayed your ignorance with this comment.

Just as stupid as veganism.. I will never understand why people cant understand that a balanced diet is optimal for a vast majority of the population.

People smoke even if they know it's bad for them. It's not easy to change habits and in Joe's case it's even harder when meat companies are sponsoring your show..

@@meatmilkeggfruits9117 yeah, I think in this case he is just curious to try it for fun. I can understand that. You know, it is like trying new stuff.

@@alexanabolic5099 lol yeah maybe I'll try not shitting a for a month too, could be fun.

@@meatmilkeggfruits9117 lol just to let you know I would never do that either hahaha

Damn I just posted a reply kinda saying exactly what you said...I'm too late and lame.

Yeah, it’s just a dick measuring contest

Anyone’s better than Chris Kresser. This debating stuff just isn’t his thing.

Layne would have had his ass handed to him.

@@dannyblanchflower1882 Fuck no. You're crazy as hell. Nutritional science is Dr. Layne Norton's specialty. Dr. Norton would've owned the argument.

@@dannyblanchflower1882 Fuck no...Dr. Layne Norton would've devoured James. You do know that the man has a PhD in the nutritional sciences.

@@Seda1979 For that to be relevant means that nutrition is completely solve domain which I doubt is the case. Also what does tell anybody that what they learned at school is the pure truth. Human teach or perceive about what they know/apparent but it doesn't mean they own the truth.

Why does Islam attract more converts than any other religion? One major reason is that Islam says: "Refugees welcome" to those fleeing failing liberal social and religious institutions. Let me explain. Liberal secularists promote the idea that their norms for regulating marriage, family, and religion are ideal. Nevertheless, statistical data indicates that wherever a society is governed by liberal secular norms, people stop marrying, having children, and practising religion. Put differently, the liberal is fundamentally a hypocrite - despite what he or she might say, no liberal person is actually interested in being part of a liberal marriage, a liberal family, or a liberal religion. Matters are different when it comes to Islam. Muslims also promote the idea that their norms for regulating marriage, family, and religion are ideal. Moreover, statistical data indicates that wherever a society is governed by Islamic norms, it boosts marriage, birth rate, and religious practice. Put differently, the Muslim is actually interested in being part of a Muslim marriage, a Muslim family, and the Muslim religion. The current era is an era of refugees fleeing from liberalism. Liberal marriage, family, and religion have collapsed. As a result, refugees from liberal societies seek marriage partners abroad, and if they practice any type of religion , it is a non-liberal version whose centers are located abroad. Islam is the most obvious choice for them.

Obviously, it’s still possible to lose weight on any diet - just eat fewer calories than you burn, right? The problem with this simplistic advice is that it ignores the elephant in the room: hunger. Most people don’t like to “just eat less,” as it may result in having to go hungry forever. Sooner or later, many will likely give up and eat without restriction, hence the prevalence of “yo-yo dieting.” While it should be possible to lose weight on any diet, some appear to make it easier and some to make it much harder. The main advantage of the low-carb diet is that it may cause you to want to eat less. Even without counting calories, overweight people tend to eat fewer calories on low carbs. Thus, calories count, but you don’t need to count them.

Maybe he should've been. Surprising there wasn't a debate since Joe's podcast referenced this "destroying" James or whatever. James'd be prepared, as always.

Obviously, it’s still possible to lose weight on any diet - just eat fewer calories than you burn, right? The problem with this simplistic advice is that it ignores the elephant in the room: hunger. Most people don’t like to “just eat less,” as it may result in having to go hungry forever. Sooner or later, many will likely give up and eat without restriction, hence the prevalence of “yo-yo dieting.” While it should be possible to lose weight on any diet, some appear to make it easier and some to make it much harder. The main advantage of the low-carb diet is that it may cause you to want to eat less. Even without counting calories, overweight people tend to eat fewer calories on low carbs. Thus, calories count, but you don’t need to count them.

Exactly

Kresser blew it. Rogan could have done better too.

Biolayne was false about so many things even on proteins/leucine and simple calculation.... That made me think how deep carnistic bias can be... Logically many fallacied and misrepresentation too. For details look for my comment (if not censored).

@@arallskiant9923 you lying, that only your opinión, not facts which you dont have any, you fool.

Rogan is in above his head in almost every intellectual debate he hosts on his channel.

Why does Islam attract more converts than any other religion? One major reason is that Islam says: "Refugees welcome" to those fleeing failing liberal social and religious institutions. Let me explain. Liberal secularists promote the idea that their norms for regulating marriage, family, and religion are ideal. Nevertheless, statistical data indicates that wherever a society is governed by liberal secular norms, people stop marrying, having children, and practising religion. Put differently, the liberal is fundamentally a hypocrite - despite what he or she might say, no liberal person is actually interested in being part of a liberal marriage, a liberal family, or a liberal religion. Matters are different when it comes to Islam. Muslims also promote the idea that their norms for regulating marriage, family, and religion are ideal. Moreover, statistical data indicates that wherever a society is governed by Islamic norms, it boosts marriage, birth rate, and religious practice. Put differently, the Muslim is actually interested in being part of a Muslim marriage, a Muslim family, and the Muslim religion. The current era is an era of refugees fleeing from liberalism. Liberal marriage, family, and religion have collapsed. As a result, refugees from liberal societies seek marriage partners abroad, and if they practice any type of religion , it is a non-liberal version whose centers are located abroad. Islam is the most obvious choice for them.

Lol no. Ask Yourself is a sick individual.

well it all makes sense now. i hope layne requests all avi's studies prior to a debate.

Einz2 Avi is Avi. Isaac is a different person

I can't believe vegans still put Ask Yourself in the same sentence as debate. The guy is a joke. Also debates prove nothing because they aren't a discussion about the facts. Take moral subjectivity and feelz out of the discussion, all they have is weak associations and food surveys. This is after a century and billions of dollars. All to prove that an essential food to promote evolution for millions of years is somehow now bad for us in the last century. What a fucking joke...

Robert C avi has a server with all his references.

Did you take into account that if you have cancer. Basically whatever you eat that has protein in it will make it grow. And so might carbs. And sometimes it still grows even with juicing due to the sugars, and with fasting alone from ketones. So everything can make it grow lol

It really is. I tried.....and now don't want any other PB and J for a long time.

@MSD I know that. I'm saying the amount of PB and J is a lot, in addition to other sources.

@MSD Because it's a lot of peanut butter. That's it, man.

Wheat fucks up my stomach and too much peanut butter and almonds make my joints (especially my hips) hurt. Steak makes me feel like a champ - no joint pain and no stomach issues. These dweebs never even got into the the glaring fact that many of us react to plant and animal products differently. Idealized lab numbers for leucine protein efficiency blah blah blah. etc are pretty useless when those real world foods make you feel like shit or inflame your joints, or give you headaches, or give you the shits or exacerbate and flare up auto-immune conditions or just taste fucking horrible. Oxalates, lectins/gluten, phytates etc.. pick your poison. There is a lot more to plant food than lab values. Same with meat and animal products as well. A lot of interrelated factors involved, and reducing the argument to isolated variables is not very helpful. Not gonna live my life eating foods I hate and that make me feel horrible because there is some research paper somewhere that says it is supposed to be better for me somehow.

Metalmachine18 saladino is just as bad as vegan crazies

@@biolayne1 If vegans are crazy, then why do you not debate somebody like Avi and show how crazy they reall? He did a 7 hour analyses and 7 more ours are coming soon. Why are there not more online debates taking place between people like you? I would like to see it.

@@benbennemans I did not intend to imply that all vegans were crazy, just most in this space. That said, I think Avi is awesome and we would have a productive conversation

@@biolayne1 that's because vegans in this space suffer from the Donny Kruger effect.

@@RG-yz8ov Lol it's Dunning-Kruger.

Red Pill Vegan I would very much like to

@@biolayne1 why are you avoiding and hiding Dr Avi?

biolayne this discussion/debate is something a lot of people are looking forward to, i hope you and dr davis and dr nadolsky can make it happen. Good video today man, along with the article. Lotta work i can tell

Both Joe and Kresser were so exhausted after the first hour, they seemed to lose motivation to keep up with James. The first hour of the show was like trying to convince James that up was up and down was down. Maybe this was James's strategy because he got WAY more aggressive when he could see Joe and Kresser getting exhausted with trying to explain basics to James. I could barely keep my eyes open trying to track James's nonsense, he was looking for any angle to win points and it didn't matter what was said to him in rebuttal.

​@@shaunstearns3289 Why does Islam attract more converts than any other religion? One major reason is that Islam says: "Refugees welcome" to those fleeing failing liberal social and religious institutions. Let me explain. Liberal secularists promote the idea that their norms for regulating marriage, family, and religion are ideal. Nevertheless, statistical data indicates that wherever a society is governed by liberal secular norms, people stop marrying, having children, and practising religion. Put differently, the liberal is fundamentally a hypocrite - despite what he or she might say, no liberal person is actually interested in being part of a liberal marriage, a liberal family, or a liberal religion. Matters are different when it comes to Islam. Muslims also promote the idea that their norms for regulating marriage, family, and religion are ideal. Moreover, statistical data indicates that wherever a society is governed by Islamic norms, it boosts marriage, birth rate, and religious practice. Put differently, the Muslim is actually interested in being part of a Muslim marriage, a Muslim family, and the Muslim religion. The current era is an era of refugees fleeing from liberalism. Liberal marriage, family, and religion have collapsed. As a result, refugees from liberal societies seek marriage partners abroad, and if they practice any type of religion , it is a non-liberal version whose centers are located abroad. Islam is the most obvious choice for them.

Obviously, it’s still possible to lose weight on any diet - just eat fewer calories than you burn, right? The problem with this simplistic advice is that it ignores the elephant in the room: hunger. Most people don’t like to “just eat less,” as it may result in having to go hungry forever. Sooner or later, many will likely give up and eat without restriction, hence the prevalence of “yo-yo dieting.” While it should be possible to lose weight on any diet, some appear to make it easier and some to make it much harder. The main advantage of the low-carb diet is that it may cause you to want to eat less. Even without counting calories, overweight people tend to eat fewer calories on low carbs. Thus, calories count, but you don’t need to count them.

Nah we wouldn't. People say the same things about Chris but in an actual debate the people who claim 100% plant based can't be healthy and appropriate for muscle building will almost always lose.

Obviously, it’s still possible to lose weight on any diet - just eat fewer calories than you burn, right? The problem with this simplistic advice is that it ignores the elephant in the room: hunger. Most people don’t like to “just eat less,” as it may result in having to go hungry forever. Sooner or later, many will likely give up and eat without restriction, hence the prevalence of “yo-yo dieting.” While it should be possible to lose weight on any diet, some appear to make it easier and some to make it much harder. The main advantage of the low-carb diet is that it may cause you to want to eat less. Even without counting calories, overweight people tend to eat fewer calories on low carbs. Thus, calories count, but you don’t need to count them.

Perfect way to put it

Look at this suck up. Go eat your veggies bud

Obviously, it’s still possible to lose weight on any diet - just eat fewer calories than you burn, right? The problem with this simplistic advice is that it ignores the elephant in the room: hunger. Most people don’t like to “just eat less,” as it may result in having to go hungry forever. Sooner or later, many will likely give up and eat without restriction, hence the prevalence of “yo-yo dieting.” While it should be possible to lose weight on any diet, some appear to make it easier and some to make it much harder. The main advantage of the low-carb diet is that it may cause you to want to eat less. Even without counting calories, overweight people tend to eat fewer calories on low carbs. Thus, calories count, but you don’t need to count them.

Why does Islam attract more converts than any other religion? One major reason is that Islam says: "Refugees welcome" to those fleeing failing liberal social and religious institutions. Let me explain. Liberal secularists promote the idea that their norms for regulating marriage, family, and religion are ideal. Nevertheless, statistical data indicates that wherever a society is governed by liberal secular norms, people stop marrying, having children, and practising religion. Put differently, the liberal is fundamentally a hypocrite - despite what he or she might say, no liberal person is actually interested in being part of a liberal marriage, a liberal family, or a liberal religion. Matters are different when it comes to Islam. Muslims also promote the idea that their norms for regulating marriage, family, and religion are ideal. Moreover, statistical data indicates that wherever a society is governed by Islamic norms, it boosts marriage, birth rate, and religious practice. Put differently, the Muslim is actually interested in being part of a Muslim marriage, a Muslim family, and the Muslim religion. The current era is an era of refugees fleeing from liberalism. Liberal marriage, family, and religion have collapsed. As a result, refugees from liberal societies seek marriage partners abroad, and if they practice any type of religion , it is a non-liberal version whose centers are located abroad. Islam is the most obvious choice for them.

Most debates suck for this reason. They're less about being correct, and more about looking like you're winning.

Nah James just called Chris out on his BS

Reminds me of american politics

wouyldn't be fair to James, he wouldn't be ab le to use debate tactics and would be obligated to concede he can't address the data in the studies

sebastien brady he’s been on previously

What's his full name?

Eat one cup of oats and you got your 2 grams of leucine... kresser claimed that there is less than 20 grams of protein in a PBS. There was no talk about leucine content

Im talking about the lack of leucine in a pb sandwich - dr Norton addressed here. Not sure what you're talking about

@@bamfitnesssolutions9314 james used it as an exemple. Off course, there's better ways to get your protein.

Why does Islam attract more converts than any other religion? One major reason is that Islam says: "Refugees welcome" to those fleeing failing liberal social and religious institutions. Let me explain. Liberal secularists promote the idea that their norms for regulating marriage, family, and religion are ideal. Nevertheless, statistical data indicates that wherever a society is governed by liberal secular norms, people stop marrying, having children, and practising religion. Put differently, the liberal is fundamentally a hypocrite - despite what he or she might say, no liberal person is actually interested in being part of a liberal marriage, a liberal family, or a liberal religion. Matters are different when it comes to Islam. Muslims also promote the idea that their norms for regulating marriage, family, and religion are ideal. Moreover, statistical data indicates that wherever a society is governed by Islamic norms, it boosts marriage, birth rate, and religious practice. Put differently, the Muslim is actually interested in being part of a Muslim marriage, a Muslim family, and the Muslim religion. The current era is an era of refugees fleeing from liberalism. Liberal marriage, family, and religion have collapsed. As a result, refugees from liberal societies seek marriage partners abroad, and if they practice any type of religion , it is a non-liberal version whose centers are located abroad. Islam is the most obvious choice for them.

Yeah way to go Layne spot on! I always find it tough reading the last couple sentences of industry funded studies and posting a video about it! I cant wait to be diagnosed with heart disease at 40 keep eating meat!

@@mitchelator9952 You do realise the ridiculous and over-simplistic anti-meat scare tactics you vegans use like [meat=heart disease] no longer works on anyone right?

@@Teo_live Absolutely, Yum, yum meat in your tum!

@@mitchelator9952 You sound like a 5 year old. But yes meat is yum, so is fruit and vegetables.

Thomas Franz exactly

Didn't conform with your confirmation bias then

​@@jameshatton3321 Why does Islam attract more converts than any other religion? One major reason is that Islam says: "Refugees welcome" to those fleeing failing liberal social and religious institutions. Let me explain. Liberal secularists promote the idea that their norms for regulating marriage, family, and religion are ideal. Nevertheless, statistical data indicates that wherever a society is governed by liberal secular norms, people stop marrying, having children, and practising religion. Put differently, the liberal is fundamentally a hypocrite - despite what he or she might say, no liberal person is actually interested in being part of a liberal marriage, a liberal family, or a liberal religion. Matters are different when it comes to Islam. Muslims also promote the idea that their norms for regulating marriage, family, and religion are ideal. Moreover, statistical data indicates that wherever a society is governed by Islamic norms, it boosts marriage, birth rate, and religious practice. Put differently, the Muslim is actually interested in being part of a Muslim marriage, a Muslim family, and the Muslim religion. The current era is an era of refugees fleeing from liberalism. Liberal marriage, family, and religion have collapsed. As a result, refugees from liberal societies seek marriage partners abroad, and if they practice any type of religion , it is a non-liberal version whose centers are located abroad. Islam is the most obvious choice for them.

J Pr bread protein ftw

I eat peanut butter for my breakfast. But i still have meat for my lunch and dinner

J Pr right babe!!

Without Palm oil

That's cherrypicking. James used that exemple to show that protein is easy to get. He didn't say it was optimal.

James did better without meat. Do your own study on yourself.

Emma Leyva trying to push anecdotal evidence as fact is misleading

I don't think he's that great at arguing. Any skilled debater would have handled him easily.

James got debunked, it's not even debatable

​@@emh8861 Obviously, it’s still possible to lose weight on any diet - just eat fewer calories than you burn, right? The problem with this simplistic advice is that it ignores the elephant in the room: hunger. Most people don’t like to “just eat less,” as it may result in having to go hungry forever. Sooner or later, many will likely give up and eat without restriction, hence the prevalence of “yo-yo dieting.” While it should be possible to lose weight on any diet, some appear to make it easier and some to make it much harder. The main advantage of the low-carb diet is that it may cause you to want to eat less. Even without counting calories, overweight people tend to eat fewer calories on low carbs. Thus, calories count, but you don’t need to count them.

This should happen!