Funny, that when I actually sat down with my Bible - read it, studied it MYSELF - my pre-trib rapture "theory" simply melted away. I couldn't even fit it into Scripture! Kind of like putting a square peg in a round hole. Of course, I didn't like this at all...lol...now, I've started studying on the "endurance of the saints"...how we hold on, keep our faith & trust in the Lord during the awful days to come. This is what these people need to teach! Thanks Joel for being bold & teaching truth. Shalom🌺

Wow! I have been examining pretrib and posttrib rapture evidence for over a year, and almost came to the conclusion that there was no pretrib rapture. Until I saw Before the Wrath last year. I bought it hook, line, and sinker because of all the otherwise sound teachers it featured. I'm SO GLAD you made this video! Your explanations make perfect sense and line up squarely with what I see in scripture. Thank you!

This was a great video. Thank you for your diligence and honesty. I know it must be tough to call out people who are lying to the body of Christ. God Bless and may God's protection be over you and your family.

The thing that bothers me is the lengths they go to to try and prove pre tribulation, it’s almost fervent. Something stinks.

Wow, what an astonishing video! I was pre-trib for several years but it never made sense to have 2 1/2 comings of Jesus. I am grieved for our Christian brothers and sisters who still think this way. I always say that regardless who is right, we need to be prepared to face whatever may come our way and make the decision today to stand firm in Yeshua to the very end. ✝️

About 15 yrs ago, we went to a CC. I signed up to teach in the children's ministry and was asked to join the music ministry. When I vocalized I thought we were going through the tribulation, I was not allowed to participate. I always felt like they thought I wasn't saved. All i would say is if you guys are right, i won't argue,but they should prepare in case they were wrong. I bought the movie you are talking about to see what new evidence would prove me wrong.....mm...like you, though it is an emotional movie, it contradicts the Word. I still like the teachers in the movie, but hope they quit looking at those of us who disagree as enemies.

The amazing thing that Troubles me with the Pre Trib Fable is this: They make a great Deal about the Jewish Wedding of a Jewish Man and a Jewish Wife (But) they then go and Remove the Jew from the Wedding and make it a Gentile Wife and the Jewish King having the Wedding! The Truth is that Jesus has made One New Man! Jew and Gentile together and when Jesus Comes He will be Coming for the Jew and Gentile, One Bride! Jesus came the First Time and the Jewish Bride was not ready but when Jesus Comes again He will come and the Bride being Jew and Gentile will be ready! Jesus made it Clear to the Apostles that He will not Partake of the Cup again until the Jews cry out Blessed is He that Comes in the Name of the Lord! When Jesus Comes, the Resurrection will take place of both Jew and Gentile and then the Marriage Supper will happen!

The passage in the Bible that turned me from Pre-trib to "Not Pre-trib," was the parable of the wheat and tares.

❤Excellent 👍🏼 I lost count of the amount of times I get comments on my videos about how ‘don’t you know, Sonia, that the Jewish Wedding ceremony is a shadow and type of the timing of the rapture?!’ I’m like, what has this Jewish tradition not mentioned in the bible, got anything to do with scripture? Nothing

If people would allow the Holy Spirit to teach them instead of men, it would clear up a whole lotta confusion and false doctrine.

I’m so sad after watching this. I just recently came back to the Lord & just started learning about the rapture. I actually know JD Farag & have attended his church & watched his sermons online… After watching a bunch of pre-trib videos from Amir, Jack & Skip etc. I was really upset because the sentiment was “the tribulation is going to be awful but don’t worry bc we won’t be here, praise God!” But all I could think was: WHAT ABOUT EVERYONE ELSE?!? If we really are this close to being raptured shouldn’t we be hearing messages expressing the urgency to get out& spread the gospel as much ad possible?!??… Then I heard there were other people who believed in a post-trib rapture which made more sense to me but I wasn’t sure what was the truth. I had thought to email JD with the idea that he might consider telling people they should prepare “just in case” because if he was wrong, people wouldn’t be ready to go through the tribulation or at worse, would lose their faith. Seeing what he said in the film & having you explain how deceptive the film is, I feel like crying. It’s so incredibly sad to me how many people are being misled. I know JD has a good heart & I can’t imagine him purposely deceiving anyone but the result is the same 😢

Pre-trib is like a cult. You have to believe what they say over what the Scriptures say.

I grew up being taught pre-rein, but changed my stance as I became an adult and started teaching my children. As the pre-trib push began to ramp up on YT during Covid I started praying about it and testing my stance again to be sure I was solid in it. I am beginning to believe that Luke chapter 21 and verse 8, may just be our beloved’s warning to us about this doctrine. Luke 21:8 8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

I so look forward to what you have to say about Revelation 21:9 ..."I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife." In my 22 years as a follower of Jesus I've never heard anyone even come close to talking about "the bride, the Lamb's wife" It's wonderful to read through the comments and see people that are reading and studying the Bible for themselves and how they are being lead to the truth! Praise the LORD!!

Revelation 19:7 This is when someone announces the wedding of the Lamb has come and the bride has made herself ready. The phrase no one know except to the Father. Well whoever said that was making it known to all! It's not a surprise wedding, that's absurd. Thanks for sharing. I am surrounded with those that take their beliefs from movies and whatever is popular in the church. It is troubling.

The Israelites saw the wrath of God on the wicked and went through much tribulation on their way to the promised land. At the same time, they saw the provision and protections of God. Think we're any different? Pick up your cross and follow Jesus.

It's truly amazing and I even bought the movie. I'm very greatful for your ministry. I want to know Jesus and and be ready for whatever comes

Thank you so much for this, Joel. It’s extremely sad that this film was ever made. Thank you for your careful application of the Matthew 18 principles. It can’t have been easy. God bless you, Amy and your children. 🙏

For many years, I believed in a pre-trib rapture as all the churches I went to taught. Last year in February, Adonai challenged me on several of my beliefs. I was truly and thoroughly shaken to my core(been saved over 50 years). The Lord challenged me on the Sabbath being kept holy. I had a giggle and answered rather facetiously that I wasn't a Jew... Thinking that was the end of that conversation, or I was mistaken about my parentage. But no, it wasn't that at all. He asked me when did He institute the Sabbath? I said 7th day of creation... He simply said.... How many people were on the earth, I said 2....He said which one was the Jew? Since then, I've questioned everything that I just accepted as being true because it was taught in the churches. I now make sure everything I read is filtered through the Holy Spirit and prayer. I check first mention, second mention and final mention to try and get the real essence of what Yah is intending us to know 🙌📜👑🙌

Thank you Joel. Im still pre-trib but will continue to study. Regardless im blessed to have you as a brother and continue to learn from all you give us

No man is even able to enter the temple UNTIL the plagues are fulfilled. The tribulation is not the wrath of God or Jesus would have called it that. He called it TRIBULATION, not WRATH. We are meeting the Lord in the air before his WRATH is poured out on all the wicked, those that worship the beast, take his mark or number of his name, those that come against Jerusalem, and those that destroy the earth. Revelation 15: 8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled. No one is saved during these plagues. So, no “left behind tribulation saints”.

Once again a thorough exposition. Thanks again Joel.

i pray for pre and plan for post.

Thank you for this study. I've been carefully following it from the beginning primarily so I have the right foundation to respond to those I find held captive to this deception and your careful presentation has given me much to consider. However, this video left me in tears to see such deception being so openly propagated by those considered to be "shepherds". It gave a new (deeper) meaning to that Scripture about "how even the very elect will be deceived". I share your burden for all those that will have to enter into tribulation fully unprepared to be overcomers. Thanks again and Shalom!!

What does Jesus say? When the sun, moon and stars lose their light, overcomers will look up and see the Son coming back in the glory of His Father! The resurrection will take place after the six seal is open by the Lamb of God

Hi Joel, I enjoy your teachings! FAI is amazing 🤩

Thank you Joel for this video and the many others. This series is extremely helpful so we can have answers to our friends in the pre trib camp. God bless you and your family greatly...🙏👏👏

Amir also talks about the Holy Spirit and the Church being the Restrainer as “proof” for a pre-tribulation rapture. The Holy Spirit and The Church are not the Restrainer. 🤦🏾‍♀️

Thanks again Joel. Wonderful exposition.

I have to say that I greatly appreciate the exegetical and expository approach in each of these videos in this series dealing with the pretrib rapture error. Such honesty in handling the written Word of God is very refreshing. I have seen too many Christians using eisegesis in their handling of God's holy Word. In fact I used to be one of those type people many years ago. Thank you FAI and all of you that made these videos. I am sharing them with my family to help open their eyes.

The pre-trib / mid-trib / post-trib rapture debate is based on the concept of a futuristic 70th week of Daniel, but that is a deception to fool the end times saints. The 70th week of Daniel 9 prophecy foretold when Messiah would appear to carry out His ministry, and when (in the middle of the 70th week) He would confirm the everlasting covenant (that was mentioned in Daniel 9:4) with His blood as the Passover Lamb, to atone for our sins. It's not about the end times or the antichrist.

Thank you for exposing this! 💯

Profoundly enlightening, like usual...but this is even alarming! Many thanks Joel, for being a Watchman for the body of Christ!! Like a lighthouse to avoid shipwreck, providing safe passage in such turbulent and disturbing times. I too, have been subject to misinformation in the past, but what is most disturbing is how it has crept into the church, & many freely take it all in...& even become defensive/combative about it. Please God have Mercy on these who think they are standing on the Rock when everything turns to shifting sand, and we/they aren't just raptured outta here. My fear is a great falling away. Holy Spirit come, lead us in all Truth. Bend our hearts toward Jesus like never before, for He Is the Only Way! Amen.

I'm really glad for this ministry and for addressing this issue. I used to study under Chuck Missler (a brother with the Lord now, but whom I still love), and he used to make this claim (the pre-trib view of the Galilean wedding). Upon doing some digging, CM gave credit to Marv Rosenthal for this teaching. So, I reached out to Marv Rosenthal (when he was still alive), but he and his ministry never responded. Rosenthal was pretrib before changing over to a pre-wrath view and became one of the forerunners for the Prewrath view -- so, I still appreciate their teachings today. Still, I noticed that once he swtiched his eschatological view, he no longer taught the Galiliean wedding view. I just wish he would have at least owned up to it and explained how it was wrong.

Thank you for your honest non-judgmental explanation to the rapture doctrine. I always learn more about our Lord with your videos. Thank you brother Joel!

The answer is nothing proves a pretrib lation rapture. You have to allegorize Scripture to do that. J.M.M.

I must admit that I have heard seemingly strong arguments for both pre and post tribulation rapture. It almost seems that the Lord not only doesn’t want me to know the day or hour, he doesn’t want me to know the year either. That said I want to thank you sir for recognizing pretribers as brothers and sisters. I see too many Christians casting insults at those who have an opposing understanding. Thank you. ( by the way I lean much more towards the post tribulation idea)

One of my fave online teachers (Mike Winger) comes from a CC background, but what I love is that he tries to see what the Bible says even if it conflicts with CC teachings. He even graciously spent an episode digging into the fact that Chuck Smith had actually made a big error in predicting when he thought the rapture would be. I'll be interested to see where he lands if/when he studies this in depth.

Good job Joel. Appreciate your work. 👍

Thanks Joel. I think it's great what FAI are doing to refute pretrib rapture. I do listen to Jan M, etc occasionally. They are very good at keeping up to date with end time stuff, however, it is always on the basis of pretrib. It's a shame that not more churches prepare their people for end time. It appears to me that not many think that the end is near. Whether it's within the next 10 years or 50 years makes no difference, we are all in need of encouragement to persevere and not keep being told about love and grace, though they are important. We need the truth because there's so little of it around. Hard times are here. It's knocking at the door!

Great job Joel. Thank you so much for your honest berean style teaching. It really is very disturbing that ministers would dare to do this, to lie and mislead the Lords precious sheep. This was a tough one for you I know, but, it needed saying and your rewards in heaven will be great. May God bless you and protect you. Maranatha.

Another excellent expose. The pre tribulation teachers are really grasping at straws. They are so desperate to prove their theory, they are making themselves to be fools.

Thank you, Joel, for doing the heavy, lifting; going into all of the information, historical and textual, as well as into the apocrypha. Frankly, I don’t know how you do it. I just tell people that I will not entertain any extra biblical sources with regards to interpretation of end times. But you seem to have much more patience than I. God bless you, Jonathan Woodward.

If Yeshua returned before the tribulation no one would get in because our garments are still stained and it will take great tribulation to make white our garments

I Love FAI Studios. Youre a God send. I watched Days of Noah parts 1 -3 last week. Brilliant 👍

The movie is Pre Trib Propaganda….to say the least…….add this movie to the Evacuation manual

The pre-trib rapture is a man-made construct that, while seemingly appealing at first blush, actually robs Christians of our most glorious moment if we are alive in those days. A Christian's greatest joy, and victory, would be able to die for their faith. It happened to the Apostles, so are we to expect more? Nope. Blessings to you all!

I don't understand why people think we have to endure the tribulation because of sinfulness. That is denying that the blood of Jesus was sufficient to cover our sins, a total rejection of the Gospel.

I asked my cousin about the video and she has a PhD in Jewish poetry and works at the university of Jerusalem and she said the Jewish wedding custom rapture is fake!

thanks, millions. great video.

Sorry, but I kind of disagree with you. As someone who studies and haven't committed to what I believe on the timing of the rapture (pre,mid or post) just listening to this video I can come up with a few scriptures that disagree with some of your points. If I remember when I'm feeling better and over this virus I will post those scriptures for whoever wants them.

I like this video a lot. There is a real thirst for the Truth here. It strikes me that those who are promoting the film and the Pre-Tribulation Rapture, making these claims are like those mentioned in Second Peter 2:18 "For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error." They count on people simply believing what they say. They want people to be like sheep, just accepting. What they don't want is those who question, and who ask them to substantiate their claims.

Interesting in one of the clips you played he lays out the timeline as, “rapture, tribulation, wrath…” so he admits that wrath comes after the tribulation. Great due diligence, Joel! These kinds of resources help a lot when trying to speak to my pre-trib family in a loving way. My mom in particular has followed Jan Markell and the pastors she endorses for years. Dr. Andy Woods is another very convincing pretrib pastor, was an attorney, who she follows and uses their teachings instead of the Gospel when speaking to me.

Thank you for bringing this up. It’s always been a point of contention for myself having been in Calvary Chapel many years ago. Jesus in Rev is found worthy to receive the scrolls having been the lamb who’s suffered since the foundation. The wedding is the culmination and because of this humanity also becomes married. He’s the 2nd Adam. You can see this marriage in Jeremiah 31 talking about the new Adam and the Hebrew says ‘ a man will be encircled by a woman’ The Jewish scholars and rabbis have struggled to interpret that passage and that’s the best they can come up with. You could say it’s the HS only poured out without measure on him. He described it too with that river of water within and the comforter in John. He earned this himself by passing the test pleasing god before that dove landed. So I’m Rev, you see this again. You can also see it in Isa 53 where you see multiple deaths and more than just one lifetime. He returns and is again shunned and exiled and again led away through judgement and oppression but in this last incarnation he has children and lives a long life. And you’re right this all takes place on earth. I personally don’t believe in the infallibility of Paul and his interpretation of Daniel’s ‘clouds’ being literal and this is what’s causing a lot of confusion. Nothing else in Daniel is literal and clouds associated with god or Moses meant the presence of god. So when Jesus appears, he will already be married because of what he’s suffered in his last incarnation. That sign of the Virgin says he was born naturally and this is going to be a problem for Christians. You simply can’t celebrate that wedding until that’s acknowledged because it’s the key to you yourself becoming married and receiving the HS without measure. I appreciate your honesty and though we don’t agree, let’s reason together. I’m not your enemy for speaking truth.

I don't care about allusions to a wedding one way or another. Scripture mentions a rapture several times, and the 70th week of Daniel is very clearly lined out in purpose. These and more close the noose on the more vague passages on the subject quite well. The vague passages that people who doubt the rapture use and pretend are the only evidence for the rapture.

Thank you for your talks on this subject. It has cleared up my misunderstanding of the wedding in heaven. Now I see the bride in Revelation 19 gathered by the angels at the 7th trumpet to meet the bridegroom in heaven and return with him on white horses for the great supper of God. Here we have a negative image of the supper which fits with the parable in Matthew 22. Those who are not dressed properly are cast outside for judgement. Now inside the Father`s house, the new Jerusalem that has come down, the wedding feast takes place. Now there seems to be a conflict with Matthew 22 and 25. The wedding feast takes place in the Father`s house in 22 whereas in the parable of the 10 virgins it takes place in the bride`s house. There is no contradiction. The Father of the bride and the Son is the one God of both. The brides house is on earth and the new Jerusalem comes down to earth to provide the eternal venue in the Father`s house.

Thanks brother!

The last supper was the Fast of the Firstborn that takes place the meal before the Passover, if the last supper was the Passover, then no one could have been outside after sundown until morning, just like the Passover… The priests even refuse to go into Pilots home for that part of the trial they put Jesus through, so that they would not be “defiled” and then have to miss the Passover… Christ turn a yearly meal to commemorate all the firstborns saved by the blood of the lamb, into a weekly rededication and remembrance of the blood of Christ that saved us all… Christ is the lamb that saved us all

I dont know that I ever fully believed the pre-trib thing. My pastors have always preached it and I nodded in agreement...until I started studying it myself 😮 But I do still love me some left behind movies!😂 The theatrics are exciting

MY GOODNESS GRACIOUS. I purchased that film and was quite disappointed when I watched it after the same previews and interviews you showed that hyped up the content. Still was not impressed when I watched it a 2nd time. Couldn't really put my finger on it. But again, Thank God for your diligence and faithfulness and ability to clarify these things. Dear brother Joel, I hope that you are encouraged by this comment 📖🕯🕊😇👍🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 💦💦 washing 🦶🦶 feet

I got a heart on a comment I made on Sorbo's new movie I guess it was. Don't think it was this one! I said, "we have to come into the unity of the faith." I don't know who did it, but we have a long way to go and a short time to do it in. Since we were told to "work while it is day the night will come..." and I can't highlight that in red!

No they do not… the bride stays in her world preparing for the bridegroom until the day the bridegroom comes for her, and on that day he takes her to the wedding, and then into the wedding supper, everything takes place on “that day” The only difference for us, is that on “that day” our bridegroom is going to have to go into battle with the dragon and defeat him first, then we will go to the wedding and into the wedding supper, and our wedding supper will last 1000 years 💗

Great job Joel. Very well presented. I'm not sure why these pre-tribbers are so adamant. Is it pride, or is it fear? I will make the obvious comment that there is not a mother alive who does not want in on the planning of the wedding...as well as the bride. It's just the way God made us! I'm sure there must have been quite a few Christians turned off by this movie. Thanks, Joel, love and blessings to you, Amy, and the kids.

The resurrection at the coming of the Son of Man will be fulfilled during the Feast of Trumpets!

I used to listen to Amir Tsarfati a lot, but I've lost a lot of respect for him. Seems like he's not dealing honestly with the facts.

One of the biggest mistakes that is made is the idea that the Church is Christ's Bride. But the Bride of the Lamb is distinctly explained to be the city of New Jerusalem.

It saddens me to hear that pastors I thought were honest would make statements that they knew were unfounded.

He already delivered us from sin for what he did for us on the cross.

The part about how only the Groom's father knew when the wedding was to take place (and how convenient that would be for the Pre-Tribulation Rapture theory!) is very similar to how certain people have tried to say that the story of Jesus was taken from the pagan story of Horus, saying that Horus came back from the dead, and he had twelve disciples. First time i heard that, I said, "I'm pretty damn familiar with Egyptian mythology, and this is the first time I've heard that!" It's nothing more than people, with a certain agenda, flat out making things up, counting on people's ignorance and unwillingness to question and challenge them.

Because thou hast kept the word of My patience, I will also keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Thank you. It seems lies were told simply to publicize the movie. This is NOT ACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOR FOR A CHRISTIAN, LET ALONE A CHRISTIAN PASTOR.

If the will prepare for you, I have seen how God has given me things I needed for battle during times in y life. We can look back and see how God put things in our life. God will set us up to be successful, we will not prep.

good word!

The notes for this video are not here or on the app. It brings up the notes for video 10

Something that isn't mentioned often is this: In Greek, the word 'tribulation' is 'thlipsin'. The Greek word for 'wrath' is 'orge'. Pre-trib folks want to conflate the two saying the Tribulation is the wrath of God.....which it is not.....

Excellent teaching. Note: The PDF notes on the FAI website does not match this teaching - They are from the "Who is the bride" session. Please, when you have the time, correct this. :) God bless.

You mentioned several times the emails are posted that we may read them. Is there a link to those? Thank you.

"Lifting the Bride into the air." And that claim is made out of thin air. Because these people want their followers "lifted up" into the thin air of their lies, where they can control them.

Every thing that teach about weddings being a picture of pretrib raptur, can also fit actually does fit better in a post trib rapture

Yep!

I believe the church is also the bride of Christ in Eph 5:25-32

The bride of Christ, there is no Jew or gentile

Thank you. I appreciate you. I pray that the millions of people that believe in Pre-tribulation Rapture will come to know that they are being deceived. Maranatha!

What’s your website to read the emails?

Back in the time of Zola Levitt when this wedding scenario was invented, it was relatively simple. I have watched this thing evolve over the past 40 years as Pretribbers continue to add lie upon lie. Originally it was just a just a belief that there was a seven day wedding and the bride got snatched away when the father said it was time the wedding chamber was ready. Then later the claim was made that Jesus' words in John 14 were actually the exact words a groom would say to his bride. It the beginning it was the Jewish wedding tradition which was found in all of the writings of all of the ancient rabbis. Now it's just a Galilean wedding. It's no longer found in the writings of the ancient rabbis. Somehow they have disappeared. I also, always wondered where these things were found and looked for citations. I found none. Whenever somethings was cited, it was referering back to another Pretrib website.

I'm struggling to find the emails that is refered to in this video. Where can I find them please?

Of interest is that the days of a Jewish wedding is 7 days. Refer Jacob’s wedding to Leah and then Rachel after 7 days. Gen. 29:26;

Joel I think you said that scripture doesn't say the church is the bride of Christ. Then what about Revelation 22:17 NKJV And the Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let him who hears say, "Come!" And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.

I am glad to see you dealing with this pre-tribulation rapture question. Maybe now since the tribulation has started and rapture believers are still here, maybe now they will start searching for what the Bible really teachers. However, I fear that many will simply give up and take the Mark of the Beast because they have not been prepared to endure to the end, even until death. That is what Jesus teaches, and it is what all the other believers have had to deal with. We are not different.

When Jerusalem was invaded some of the Jews were outside Jerusalem and were left alone.

Joel, great teaching! Could you check on the feast of YHVH, I find these feast are Yehovah's salvation plan, the 7 feast of leviticus 23.... in the feast, the 1st day of feast of Trumpets / day of shouting is by seeing the sliver of the new moon (new month) in the 7th month, this new moon shows up between 29 or 30 day cycle, hence the Hebrew idiom Yeshua spoke about as "no one knows the day or the hour" is referring to this feast day! To this day the orthodox jews, (who do not belive in Yeshua) do this feast for 2 days and don't understand what it is for... most believe it's the new year. In scripture the day of shouting is when the heavens are opened up to the shephards to inform them about the birth of Yeshua (Luke 2: 8-18). Just wanting to spread the good news to my brothers and sisters, love you all at FAI and MARINATHA! Shalom!! Please let me know what you think.

As always thank you Joel. I first heard that the father made the wedding arrangements almost in secret and did not share these details until everything was ready well over 40 years ago so this is hardly a new teaching. At that time I did not know or understand any of the bible so anything said had to be right as it was said by a person standing 6 feet above contradiction. So what is the purpose of the rapture? A British Bible teacher, David Pawson who was convinced the pre-tribulation rapture was wrong once suggested that the rapture simply meant all believers simply got taken by God to Jerusalem. I simply do not know.

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I agree the evidence is limited. Any😅one who just swallows a belief through listening without doing their own study is going to fall for anything. Still I could not say they are lying, perhaps deceived.

Many believe the Feast of Trumpets (Lev. 23:24) is the rapture and the day of Atone-ment (23:27) is the Lord’s second coming when Jesus judges the nations, pours out the Spirit of grace and supplication and “saves all Israel.” (Zech. 12:10, Rom. 11:26). Trum-pets falls on Tishri 1, where Atonement falls on Tishri 10, or TEN DAYS later. The pre-trib model has seven years between the rapture and second coming where prewrath has about two years. But if trumpets is the rapture and Atonement the second coming, pre-trib and prewrath need to recalibrate if there are TEN DAYS between them.

Earlier it was stated that in His promise in John 14, Jesus drew an analogy from Jewish marriage customs inbiblical times. Now that the marriage customs have been considered, it is essential that the analogy be examined. In what ways was Jesus' promise analogous with Jewish marriage customs? In the examination of the analogy the first thing that should be noted is the fact that the Scriptures regard the Church to be the Bride of Christ (Eph. 5:22-23). In addition, just as the Jewish bridegroom took the initiative in marriage by leaving his father's house and traveling to the home of the prospective bride, so Jesus left his Father's house in heaven and traveled to earth, the home of His prospective Church, over 1900 years ago. In the same manner as the Jewish bridegroom came to the bride's home for the purpose of obtaining her through the establishment of a marriage covenant, so Jesus came to earth for the purpose of obtaining the Church through the establishment of a covenant. On the same night in which Jesus made His promise in John 14 He instituted communion. As He passed the cup of wine to His disciples, He said: "This cup is the new covenant in my blood." (NASV, 1 Cor. 11:25). This was His way of saying that He would establish a new covenant through the shedding of His blood on the cross. Parallel to the custom of the Jewish groom paying a price to purchase his bride, Jesus paid a price to purchase His Bride, the Church. The price that He paid was His own life blood. It was because of this purchase price that Paul wrote the following to members of the Church: "do you not know... that you are not your own? For you have been bought with a price; therefore glorify God in your body". (NASV, 1 Cor. 6:19-20). Analogous with the Jewish bride being declared to be sanctified or set apart exclusively for her groom once te marriage covenant was established, the Church has been declared to be sanctified or set apart exclusively for Christ (Eph. 5:25-27; 1 Cor. 1:2, 6:11; Heb. 10:10; 13:12). In the same way that a cup of wine served as a symbol of marriage covenant through which the Jewish groom obtained his bride, so the cup of communion serves as the symbol of the covenant through which Christ has obtained the Church (1 Cor. 11:25). Just as the Jewish groom left the home of his bride and returned to his father's house after the marriage covenant had been established, so Jesus returned to His Father's house in heaven after He had established the new covenant and risen from the dead (John 6:62; 20:17). In correspondence with the period of separation between the Jewish groom and bride, Christ has remained separate from the Church for over 1900 years. The Church is now living in that period of separation. Parallel to the custom of the Jewish groom preparing living accommodations for his bride in his father's house during the time of separation, Christ has been preparing living accommodations for the Church in His Father's house in heaven during His separation from His Bride (John 14:20). In the same manner as the Jewish groom came to take his bride to live with him at the end of the period of separation, so Christ will come to take the Church to live with Him at the end of His period of separation from the Church (John 14:3). Just as the taking of the Jewish bride was accomplished by a procession of the groom and male escorts from the groom's father's house to the home of the bride, so the taking of the Church will be accomplished by a procession of Christ and an angelic escort from Christ's Father's house in heaven to the home of the Church (1 Thess. 4:16). Analogous with the Jewish bride not knowing the exact time of the groom's coming for her the Church does not know the exact time of Christ's coming for her. In the same way that the Jewish groom's arrival was preceded by a shout, so Christ's arrival to take the Church will be preceded by a shout (1 Thess. 4:16). Similar to the Jewish bride's return with the groom to his father' house after her departure from her home, the Church will return with Christ to His Father's house in heaven after she is snatched from the earth to meet Him in the air (1 Thess. 4:17; John 14:2-3). In the same manner as the Jewish wedding party found wedding guests assembled in the groom's father's house when they arrived, so Christ and the Church will find the souls of old Testament saints assembled in heaven when they arrive. These souls will serve as the wedding guests. Parallel to the custom of the Jewish groom and bride entering into physical union after their arrival at the groom's father's house, thereby consummating the marriage that had been covenanted earlier, Christ and the Church will experience spiritual union after their arrival at His Father's house in heaven, thereby consummating their relationship that had been covenanted earlier. In correspondence with the Jewish bride remaining hidden in the bridal chamber for a period of seven days after arrival at the groom's father's house, the Church will remain hidden for a period of seven after arrival at Christ's Father's house in heaven. While the seven year Tribulation Period is taking place on the earth, the Church will be in heaven totally hidden from the sight of those living on the earth. Just as the Jewish groom brought his bride out of the bridal chamber at the conclusion of the seven days with her veil removed, so that all could see who his bride was, so Christ will bring the Church out of heaven in His Second Coming at the conclusion of the seven year Tribulation Period in full view of all who are alive, so that all can see who the true Church is (Col. 3:4). Written by, Dr. Renald Showers, Chairman of the Pastoral Studies Dept. Philadelphia College of Bible (year unknown) Distributed by, The Friends of Israel Gospel Ministry, Inc., W. Collingswood, N.J. "Therefore, be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming. Matt 24:42 For this reason you be ready too; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not think He will!

The Rapture is real and true, and it's NOT about Zechariah 14:4-5 at all. I don't use ANY of the FAMOUS references that people use for both proving or refuting the rapture. That's too easy, and it becomes a circular argument and nothing gets accomplished on proving or disproving, and everyone walks away minds not changed. Therefore, I like to go OUTSIDE of the famous proof texts. I don't know if many realize this, but the 6th Seal of Revelation 6 is something that is of extreme importance in the timeline that can be verified by the Olivette Discource, as well as Acts 2 Pentecost, in which both the discourse, and Peter in Acts 2 references side by side events of Revelation chapter 7. Many don't even know what the 6th Seal even is, but once they do, then go back to the Discourse, and Acts 2. Then you can prove from that alone that the believers are NOT here for the 7th Seal. Jesus does not mention one word about any event in the 7th Seal. But he does mention the 6th Seal...and WHAT AFTER THAT? Rapture (Last half of Revelation 7). Now, regarding Peter. He references Joel, who discusses the 6th Seal. BUT WHY? He's putting a context as to why the Jews who just got the Holy Spirit were speaking in tongues. He's telling them that THIS WILL HAPPEN AGAIN, when the 144000 gets SEALED with the Holy Spirit. There is no other reason that Peter would bring in Joel, other than to put a TIMELINE of back to back events from Revelation 6 of the 6th Seal to the 144000. And from the 6th Seal from the Discourse, it's EASY to prove a RAPTURE just by the back to back events of the 6th Seal that can be verified by the discourse, and Peter at Pentecost in Acts 2. with the 6th Seal of Revelation 6, continuing through all of Revelation 7. Put the timeline together with those. I don't see anyone at all anywhere connecting the dots like that to put a timeline together, and put this to bed once and for all time. Matthew 24 Sixth Seal: Matthew 24:29 Rapture: Matthew 24:30-31 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Mark 13 Sixth Seal: Mark 13:24-25 Rapture: Mark 13:26-27 26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. Luke 21 Sixth Seal: Luke 21:25-26 Rapture: Luke 21:27 27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Now, that’s the END of the story in all of the end times chapters of the gospel. And Jesus did not mention one word about the 7th Seal. I challenge anyone to prove me wrong. Where did Jesus mention the 7th Seal events? He didn't. But from all of those references about the rapture that I mentioned, what does Revelation chapter 7 say about that? 13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. The VERY NEXT CHAPTER begins the 7th Seal, and we are NOT HERE FOR IT, because we are at THE THRONE OF GOD. Use that 6th Seal as a connect the dots! Rapture is true. 16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes. Jesus does not come back until... Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. Revelation 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. Zechariah 14:4-5 4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. 5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee. Now, there is a LONG distance between Revelation chapter 7 and chapter 19...dontcha think? And...how can we COME BACK with him, if we weren't first taken TO him in a rapture first? Rapture in the clouds comes before return of Christ on land. It's hard to fathom the complete resistance in believing in a rapture. What's up with that?

That cadre--Markell, Tsarfati, etc.--believe that there will be "tribulation saints", I.e., people who will come to belief in Jesus after the rapture/marriage supper. How can the marriage supper occur before all of the bride are present? The Bible is clear--once the door is shut, there are no more saved. Wrath is poured out when the door is shut.

Brothers do you know of a good study on the appointed times of the Lord. Feast days I mean?

First in history to Saudi? That's awesome Joel.