@@dj4monie I think he's joking (look at Rich's face).

If you watch the N2O intercooling video. You will find out why he got messed up. But the comment is funny.

@@twisted2291 I will have to search for the video and check it out!

Username checks out 😂

lol im dead

Where does one find the corona headers? CHI-NUHH

The value of expensive headers isn't really in a power difference, it's in the quality of materials an the fact that they may last 30 years, while these ebay headers will rust through in 5 years. Also the big name headers are gonna look ways better and often come coated

Were you in a fight?

@@Prestiged_peck / look man I’m all for buying American but these companies need to understand that they are cutting their own throats with their prices. In the header and intake manifold markets this is most pronounced. Things aren’t the way they were 15-20 years ago when these chi-com copies started showing up on eBay, and you had a 50-50 chance of them actually fitting or not. In a lot of cases the copies are just about as good. A set of stainless lt headers with Y pipe for a 3rd gen Camaro is about $200 while the nearest American variant is over a $1000. And yes the fit is going to be better on the US set but people will deal with a few headaches with that big a price difference. I know companies have to recoup R&d costs, pay employees etc... but they need to be competitive or these Chinese companies “employing” 10 year olds are eventually going to either shut them out or force them offshore. I’m not saying that they shouldn’t offer a $1500 set of headers but come out with a $2-300 budget set and give the people buying the copies another option.

@@limabravo6065 they really should, like for me if imma pay $1500 for a set I'll build myself some, motion makes a good flange for like $20 a side, get some elbows and J's and start tiggin

Matt Gruizinga it also massively educated the customer base which makes companies change their tactics and actually give us better product and results. Weeds out the trash products and gives us a better market.

Richard's doing gods work

You got that right!! I've learned more about engines in the last few weeks since finding Richard than I did in the 41 years prior haha!

@@mrmidnight32 Brand name headers cost way to much - They can charge way less then maybe there sales will increase

Lucky Goose 😂😂😂fr

Looks like you were broadcasting when you should have been tuning in..

Lmao

right on

This is solid advise! Few people ever look at the whole of a job.

I was just going to say this about fitment and buying cheap headers. This why I went with kooks 1-7/8" on my 08 Vette. I want it all to fit right and I don't want them to hang low like all the cheap ones do

Lmfaoo so true

@@dj4monie i love to watch dumb people get there doors blown off.

These videos seem to pack a bit more information, but a little less humor.

Good point. I also noticed that all of the testing takes place above 3500 rpm. So for a street car not in the rpm nosebleed section, you may be able to do pretty well with just a good set of manifolds.

I was rather shocked by this also and since I'm planning on an LS/F150 swap, I might not do headers at all.

@@johnparrish9215 Plus OEM cast manifolds always lend themselves to turbos lol. It'd be interesting to do a stock manifold test, from the various cast items, to LS7 etc.

Just change to better bolts before they start snapping off...

I have used stock exhaust manifolds on a few builds. I just clean the insides up a bit and polish them.

I agree the factor manifold performs well. I think this may be the same factory manifold that is used on the 5.3, 6.0, etc. That means it is meant to flow much more than the 4.8L. Because on the 4.8 with a high flow head, cam, etc., it just doesn't seem like much restriction from the factory manifold, even with the high flow head and cam.

You my friend took the words right out of my mouth - LOL

Colin1337 yeah my eBay headers rusted up super quick for being stainless. But they did fit and work good

And you don't mind banging up a set of $200 headers compared to a set that cost $500

Superado2006 you must be an LS guy cuz $500 is eBay headers for mopar haha

@@jeepwk6.5LUh... this is a video on LS headers... so yep.

Superado2006 lol

I’ve wanted to see him run all the cai brands just for fun

Ebay headers just as good hands down

@@cobaltsslsj5891 No, they are made with inferior metals, not machined to high tolerances so expect warping, rusting and leaks earlier than a quality set. They make roughly the same power, so if your project is only expected to live 2-3 years it's a great header. If you want to keep your vehicle for many years, buy the quality ones that will last.

@@The_Fat_Turtle when i can buy 3 sets compared to high $$$$$$$ ones it's a win win . the quality of ebay is great , i bought a set for my Cobalt SS and it was just as good as the ZZP in every way but $400 cheaper - putting a set on my LS swapped S10 and they are great

@@dj4monie haha nobody builds their own anymore

IKR

Makes me feel lot better about the DNA headers (JBA clones for Tacoma) I'm getting ready to install on 4rnr

I'm running a DNA header on a Geo Tracker of all things. Can confirm it is identical to the supposedly "USA made" option from LROR.

I put the same DNA headers on my 15 SS camaro I like them they are nice for the price but if I had the $1200 for Kooks I would've bought them. Great vid

Ive bought for fbodys before nice to have data now thanks Richard

if by medical condition you mean falling on my face-then yes!

Gotta give anyone keeping an old Monza alive a thumbs up!!

Bottom line is LS engines breathe very well even stock

On a stock engine no, but on a modified motor they do and more.

You missed the point. Peak power - no. Bottom end gains - hell yeah

Lol mine too and fit great.

What the? Get back to your garage and make more videos!

Hope to see some videos from you. Miss the content and your face

What year of Camaro and what did you swap the engine into? I'm going to swap a 5.3 in a 92 Sonoma with 4WD. I still have the stock manifolds, but I am just wanting to plan ahead and see what other people have gone with.

it will not

@@richardholdener1727 It will. At least 5 dyno runs to prove it. We compared modified ebay shorties to kooks - 5.0 coyote. Literally no difference

when I find something good-I stick with it! Face first into 2020

They fit great in my big truck before it got the turbo treatment.

Yea they fit great on my 2011 silverado

9090ruby Engine Masters already covered denting headers to clear objects doesn’t affect power much. They beat the hell out of a couple Hookers with hammers to prove it.

ChuckO doesn’t mean i want to go denting up my exhaust to make it fit

@@9090ruby pretty clear you have never built anything before. Nothing ever fits as advertised. If your even lucky enough to get the right parts on the first try.

Same here I buy from them every time love their headers

Same here

Just bought a set for my vette. Came here hoping to see people talking about speed eng. and these results. Glad I got them now.

Dont know about v8 s but i know on 4cyls they are the best design

Also testing true merge collectors vs non merge would be interesting.

Yes. This is what we need

I was thinking this same exact thing...

Kinda, but they hit one hell of a brick wall once you go above what they were designed for. But the lack of leaks, ease of installation etc. is very tempting.

James Williams you think the companies making knock offs are testing? lol someone has to design through r&d these products but you take the risk if your eBay part is a knock off of something that works or something that’s good enough.

@@hopsyn Nope. I don't think they are testing. But in my case, I have OBX copies of Kooks headers for a G8. They've been dyno tested before in the past and they were within 1-5 hp of Kooks. For less than half the price. So, I'm happy... Lol

James Williams Ppl who buy the expensive brand got the money for it so they can careless searching for cheaper. Also the more expensive brands like kooks comes with better quality v band clamps and provide 02 extenders

@@isiahgomez6860 I got the money for the good stuff also. And Ive had my cheap stuff for years. But double the price for 5 hp? No sir.

@@isiahgomez6860 and Kooks doesn't offer the O2 extensions for free. I got mine for 10 bucks. Everyone else wanted 30. And I've had no issues.

There is nothing to gain from removing cats. They are not the restriction.

It's to much for any engine.

only to gain 20hp if that

its too much for anything that doesnt make 2000+hp and need to be made out of titanium

@@1godgodgodgodgod 8:1 collector with boom tubes may be worth it. Beyond that it's a pissing match.

R

I wrote a book on Focus Performance-including a chapter on turbos-they can make good power

Anthony Thomas, you’re right, but the point I was making is that I and many people have had the belief that you have to get headers to make power and allow the engine breath, when in reality you need to upgrade your cam shaft for better results as far as high RPM power

You mean you'd pay two guys to smack them? 🤣

Same here

Same. From all of the KZfaq videos Ive watched of guys installing high dollar headers, they ALL run into fitment issues. So I might as well get some cheap shit so I can just pay a buddy to deal with the headache. XD

I think I mentioned the low-speed torque gains offered by the long tubes several times-but one more can't hurt

It is one hell of an undertaking. Tuned headers are also a part of a tuned intake. Ever wondered why a Ferrari V12 screams? It's the intake tuning related to the headers. That's what Ferrari does better than just about anybody.