USA header manufacturers roughed him up over this video but he still published it. RH the MVP.
@BlàckÐèàth4 жыл бұрын
@@dj4monie I think he's joking (look at Rich's face).
@twisted22914 жыл бұрын
If you watch the N2O intercooling video. You will find out why he got messed up. But the comment is funny.
@kb9thp4 жыл бұрын
@@twisted2291 I will have to search for the video and check it out!
@adzz80124 жыл бұрын
Username checks out 😂
@maxgunna71173 жыл бұрын
lol im dead
@limabravo60654 жыл бұрын
All the brand name header manufacturers are going “dude shut the hell up”
@yourhucklebearer94514 жыл бұрын
Where does one find the corona headers? CHI-NUHH
@Prestiged_peck3 жыл бұрын
The value of expensive headers isn't really in a power difference, it's in the quality of materials an the fact that they may last 30 years, while these ebay headers will rust through in 5 years. Also the big name headers are gonna look ways better and often come coated
@chadkimmel89573 жыл бұрын
Were you in a fight?
@limabravo60653 жыл бұрын
@@Prestiged_peck / look man I’m all for buying American but these companies need to understand that they are cutting their own throats with their prices. In the header and intake manifold markets this is most pronounced. Things aren’t the way they were 15-20 years ago when these chi-com copies started showing up on eBay, and you had a 50-50 chance of them actually fitting or not. In a lot of cases the copies are just about as good. A set of stainless lt headers with Y pipe for a 3rd gen Camaro is about $200 while the nearest American variant is over a $1000. And yes the fit is going to be better on the US set but people will deal with a few headaches with that big a price difference. I know companies have to recoup R&d costs, pay employees etc... but they need to be competitive or these Chinese companies “employing” 10 year olds are eventually going to either shut them out or force them offshore. I’m not saying that they shouldn’t offer a $1500 set of headers but come out with a $2-300 budget set and give the people buying the copies another option.
@Prestiged_peck3 жыл бұрын
@@limabravo6065 they really should, like for me if imma pay $1500 for a set I'll build myself some, motion makes a good flange for like $20 a side, get some elbows and J's and start tiggin
@JustOneMan1004 жыл бұрын
Love it Richard, I know it's tedious, but this style of testing helps us all learn
@mrmidnight324 жыл бұрын
Matt Gruizinga it also massively educated the customer base which makes companies change their tactics and actually give us better product and results. Weeds out the trash products and gives us a better market.
@buiItnotbought4 жыл бұрын
Richard's doing gods work
@zadokmotorfreight24233 жыл бұрын
You got that right!! I've learned more about engines in the last few weeks since finding Richard than I did in the 41 years prior haha!
@cobaltsslsj5891 Жыл бұрын
@@mrmidnight32 Brand name headers cost way to much - They can charge way less then maybe there sales will increase
@sucapizda4 жыл бұрын
First rule about fight club, you don’t talk about fight club.
@Candybuiltsi4 жыл бұрын
Lucky Goose 😂😂😂fr
@e-racer46734 жыл бұрын
Looks like you were broadcasting when you should have been tuning in..
@ls87gbody4 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@malcommooney80863 жыл бұрын
right on
@repurposedperformance57624 жыл бұрын
We install headers almost daily & we also have a dyno jet. You are correct on the power output is equal. When a customer comes in with ebay headers we charge a extra 2 hours on the install ($220) because THEY NEVER FIT!!! We have to reem out flange holes on ebay headers all the time. God forbid a customer brings in a long tube + y-pipe ebay combo because the y pipe always needs a ton of persuasion to align which more often than not requires cutting and welding. Moral of this story, what you save on buy ebay headers is spent on installation so it winds up costing the same. I say buy name brand because in that case you get customer service from the manufacture and a real warranty not a Wuhan Warranty!
@wydopnthrtl3 жыл бұрын
This is solid advise! Few people ever look at the whole of a job.
@Steve-O_274 ай бұрын
I was just going to say this about fitment and buying cheap headers. This why I went with kooks 1-7/8" on my 08 Vette. I want it all to fit right and I don't want them to hang low like all the cheap ones do
@jerrywilliams6820 Жыл бұрын
I had an idea the power levels were not gonna be much different vs eBay headers and name brand but my personal experience is the name brand exhaust last longer and hardly ever have fitment issues. The fitment issues on cheap headers can be a nightmare so that alone makes me pay the extra money to get the more expensive ones. Great video
@vaugr19174 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!! These videos are gonna eliminate so many annoying threads on ls1tech😂🤣
@carguy66363 жыл бұрын
Lmfaoo so true
@Terryray1234 жыл бұрын
Im liking this to engine masters. You have more time to explain the information.
@Terryray1234 жыл бұрын
@@dj4monie i love to watch dumb people get there doors blown off.
@jason1563 жыл бұрын
These videos seem to pack a bit more information, but a little less humor.
@chadpowell79834 жыл бұрын
I just installed DNA long tube headers, mid pipe with y pipe assembly on my 2009 RAM...overall pretty impressive and their customer service even in China has responded to all my requests and or issues....I would 100% recommend the DNA long tube headers...and oh yah they are pretty loud and mean sounding with my Flowmaster super 10 ....👍
@ThePryapizmC4 жыл бұрын
Hi Richard 👋...great unbiased tests!...we need more of this!
@raymondwalker21094 жыл бұрын
You just saved me a lot of headaches and a ton of money with these tests
@TerrenceLP4 жыл бұрын
eBay hard parts have gotten a hell of a lot better and now everyone realizes they've been getting ripped off for parts that have no moving parts you should do a video on intercoolers talk about getting ripped off
@shawnsanders94504 жыл бұрын
The biggest thing I learned is anything naturally aspirated under 550HP doesn't need dual 3" exhaust. The 2.5" didn't trade anything up top and gained torque down low over the 3".
@crank1422 Жыл бұрын
Good point. I also noticed that all of the testing takes place above 3500 rpm. So for a street car not in the rpm nosebleed section, you may be able to do pretty well with just a good set of manifolds.
@bleach_drink_me Жыл бұрын
Really glad to see this. I used DNA headers in the past and i always wondered how much power i was leaving on the table. Fwiw i ran them for ~3 years and i sold the car with them on. I didnt have any leaks or visible cracks when it left. Disclaimer the car only saw about 10k miles on the ebay headers but a ton of heat cycles due to short trips but got frequent WOT pulls. This was on a stock cammed motor with aftermarket intake and full exhaust. Nothing special. Fitment was good enough, a little closer to block vs stock but didnt cause any issue. I would buy them again for another budget NA build. 😊
@blow0me4 жыл бұрын
Surprising how well the factory cast manifolds perform
@johnparrish92154 жыл бұрын
I was rather shocked by this also and since I'm planning on an LS/F150 swap, I might not do headers at all.
@blow0me4 жыл бұрын
@@johnparrish9215 Plus OEM cast manifolds always lend themselves to turbos lol. It'd be interesting to do a stock manifold test, from the various cast items, to LS7 etc.
@YZFoFittie4 жыл бұрын
Just change to better bolts before they start snapping off...
@StormedNorm4 жыл бұрын
I have used stock exhaust manifolds on a few builds. I just clean the insides up a bit and polish them.
@1kings19184 жыл бұрын
I agree the factor manifold performs well. I think this may be the same factory manifold that is used on the 5.3, 6.0, etc. That means it is meant to flow much more than the 4.8L. Because on the 4.8 with a high flow head, cam, etc., it just doesn't seem like much restriction from the factory manifold, even with the high flow head and cam.
@r3tr0nic2 жыл бұрын
Yep, I've ran the inexpensive headers on my vehicles for years. MUCH appreciate your sharing and work on this video, backs up what I've always said and felt, and I certainly will use this to share! When you look at the price difference, troubles or longetivity isnt much a problem to me, when I can buy multiple inexpensive sets vs just the one
@cobaltsslsj5891 Жыл бұрын
You my friend took the words right out of my mouth - LOL
@GolfCoyote4 жыл бұрын
I don't doubt performance is similar eBay vs name brand, fitment and longevity is usually the issue
@jeepwk6.5L4 жыл бұрын
Colin1337 yeah my eBay headers rusted up super quick for being stainless. But they did fit and work good
@Superado20064 жыл бұрын
And you don't mind banging up a set of $200 headers compared to a set that cost $500
@jeepwk6.5L4 жыл бұрын
Superado2006 you must be an LS guy cuz $500 is eBay headers for mopar haha
@Superado20064 жыл бұрын
@@jeepwk6.5LUh... this is a video on LS headers... so yep.
@jeepwk6.5L4 жыл бұрын
Superado2006 lol
@WhiteZ50Won2 жыл бұрын
Very cool to see the differences from each type of header. Id like to see it one step further with other bolt on mods. Such as cai, tb, and aftermarket intakes. Nice work regardless!
@crepesaresupreme4075 Жыл бұрын
I’ve wanted to see him run all the cai brands just for fun
@donjohnswaggert3 жыл бұрын
Great test. But the difference isn't in performance between the cheap headers... The issue is the construction and durability
@cobaltsslsj5891 Жыл бұрын
Ebay headers just as good hands down
@The_Fat_Turtle Жыл бұрын
@@cobaltsslsj5891 No, they are made with inferior metals, not machined to high tolerances so expect warping, rusting and leaks earlier than a quality set. They make roughly the same power, so if your project is only expected to live 2-3 years it's a great header. If you want to keep your vehicle for many years, buy the quality ones that will last.
@cobaltsslsj5891 Жыл бұрын
@@The_Fat_Turtle when i can buy 3 sets compared to high $$$$$$$ ones it's a win win . the quality of ebay is great , i bought a set for my Cobalt SS and it was just as good as the ZZP in every way but $400 cheaper - putting a set on my LS swapped S10 and they are great
@genemounce83024 жыл бұрын
You get in a fight with a slippery wrench? ;) LOL.... HERES TO A HAPPY NEW YEAR Richard ! !
@timnye74934 жыл бұрын
Already got ebay longtubes for my Coyote, they work great.. less then $200.00 for them only issue i had was one 02 sensor bung was welded a little off center from the hole so a little grinding was needed to get the sensor to thread in, but im not complaining, I saved alot of money.
@andy3474954 жыл бұрын
Great video! Yesterday i was looking for a test like this, im about to put some headers on a BBC in my truck, perfect timing. You also cleared up the misinformation ive read about where power gains are at in rpm range with shorty's vs long tubes. Thanks again! Edit to add...i agree with others, this testing does help us all a lot. Its hard to sift through all the conflicting info on the internet. Its great to see an actual test.
@drakeolson25394 жыл бұрын
That was a great test!!! I just bought some E-bay headers for my 6.0 project in my f-body. This was so relieving to know I made a good choice!
@buiItnotbought4 жыл бұрын
@@dj4monie haha nobody builds their own anymore
@PFW1999PKT3 жыл бұрын
My DNA headers had straight, thick flanges and fit great with no leaks but upgraded the gaskets just to make sure. $200 for good looking headers. I am happy with them for sure.
@OGbqze4 жыл бұрын
If DNA isn't supplying you with the stuff you need for these videos, they need to because you probably just sold over 100 long tubes from them. Count me as 2.
@richardholdener17274 жыл бұрын
IKR
@rayneblack61074 жыл бұрын
Makes me feel lot better about the DNA headers (JBA clones for Tacoma) I'm getting ready to install on 4rnr
@jeffman34 жыл бұрын
I'm running a DNA header on a Geo Tracker of all things. Can confirm it is identical to the supposedly "USA made" option from LROR.
@dhertz81634 жыл бұрын
I put the same DNA headers on my 15 SS camaro I like them they are nice for the price but if I had the $1200 for Kooks I would've bought them. Great vid
@motorsports6014 жыл бұрын
Ive bought for fbodys before nice to have data now thanks Richard
@johnallen72304 жыл бұрын
Richard it appears that you had or are having a medical condition and your fan base hopes that you are feeling better in the New Year. Mad Respect
@richardholdener17274 жыл бұрын
if by medical condition you mean falling on my face-then yes!
@jeffperrault83402 жыл бұрын
I love data.Thanks Richard.What surprised me was the fact that even though it's just headers there really wasn't as much of a gain over factory manifolds.
@SpyderGarage4 жыл бұрын
Getting ready to swap to an LS in our Monza. This was very timely!
@zadokmotorfreight24233 жыл бұрын
Gotta give anyone keeping an old Monza alive a thumbs up!!
@bigdogsportingtonyb28334 жыл бұрын
This is a good test but one thing you have to factor in is header primary tube and collector flow on each set of headers. We have found through dyno testing and flowbench testing that header flow will have a dramatic effect on hp output. Two different flowing shorty headers will not produce the Same power output. Same as the long tubes. There's so much science involved when searching for more hp.
@craigvwdude4 жыл бұрын
Richard, can't thank you enough for the videos you put out!
@PhyteByte4 жыл бұрын
I bought some headers for 300$ seen the unbranded same design! For 109$.. on eBay just doesn't have the sexy name plate on it like mine.. I've been needing this video basically so I can sleep better.
@Nsixtyfourlink Жыл бұрын
I had to get an ebay header for my old car, 93 sidekick. The old stock manifold was cracked. It did run a lot better, mostly from not having the crack. But for IIRC $80 and $120 for a shop to install them, compared to $400 for a set of replacement manifolds. It was a great Improvement.
@Turbogto_guy4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! What did I learn? Headers don’t make as much power as people think they do.
@DSRE5354 жыл бұрын
Bottom line is LS engines breathe very well even stock
@Superado20064 жыл бұрын
On a stock engine no, but on a modified motor they do and more.
@Maverick091713 жыл бұрын
You missed the point. Peak power - no. Bottom end gains - hell yeah
@JohnnyAnderson14 жыл бұрын
EXCELLENT TEST!!! Although my ebay headers have 3" collector.... lol
@jsb15614 жыл бұрын
Lol mine too and fit great.
@peted52173 жыл бұрын
The Jury's In ! Best Bang For the Buck on stock is correct cam and springs that still work with the Stock Torque Converter
@GreasyGorilla4 жыл бұрын
I have set DNA headers on wife’s suburban for couple years. Been very happy with them. Next up will be a truck cam.
@TomsTurboGarage4 жыл бұрын
Excellent work sir!!
@MadCarTK3 жыл бұрын
What the? Get back to your garage and make more videos!
@Fackler912 жыл бұрын
Hope to see some videos from you. Miss the content and your face
@krisjones12862 жыл бұрын
Having run many inexpensive headers ($89 i think was the cheapest and they burned #3 wire off every other month) i was thinking of the fit and customer service through most of this video. Great job hitting all the points!
@illiod12 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the hard work in your study, those of us without your experience and resources truly appreciate the education you provide, party on..
@RL-RL4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for proven results! About to build my first LS, and all these videos save me money, and show real world gains and fixes.
@doranmaxwell17553 жыл бұрын
I like that you do apples to apples stuff.... 5 decades of hearing how this manifold for intake or exhaust will add "25% HP gain! I love to see the actual practical numbers. Also... I put the camaro cast manifolds on my 5.3 in an LS conversion and they added about the same power.
@DittoBlast2 жыл бұрын
What year of Camaro and what did you swap the engine into? I'm going to swap a 5.3 in a 92 Sonoma with 4WD. I still have the stock manifolds, but I am just wanting to plan ahead and see what other people have gone with.
@xozindustries74514 жыл бұрын
Great test, keep this up and the big manufacturers are gonna give you free stuff to test anymore 😎
@stevenbongiorno92774 жыл бұрын
I’ve looked at EBay headers. I liked the fact that they were stainless, but read the reviews about figment, and durability. They weren’t too convincing. I ended up getting a good set of Schoenfeld circle track headers, cause I wanted low to mid range torque. I had to remove my AC box to get them in, but once I did, the headers fell right into place. For a street rod that I only drive in goo weather, it was worth it. I gained ground clearance. My original mass produced headers didn’t give me that. I don’t have to lift the engine to remove or install them, and they actually gave me a pretty noticeable kick in the butt, when I drove it.
@snutmeez2 жыл бұрын
I have a set of Ebay headers on my L67 Grand Prix, they come 3" collector, and I put a 3" Flowmaster cat, 3" piping right to the single Flowmaster 44 muffler, with dual 2.5" exits. It sounds super deep, and crispy.👍👌🇨🇦🔥🔥🔥
@kswis4 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see what YOU choose to go cheap on and what YOU refuse to, I enjoy watching your channel it's extremely informative and a little different than all the billion other channels. Needless to say I'll watch your channel for a new video before others. Hope your head heals up n good luck
@v-performance4 жыл бұрын
We found that if you modify the short header exit to proper merge collector it will make as much as long tube version.
@richardholdener17274 жыл бұрын
it will not
@v-performance4 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 It will. At least 5 dyno runs to prove it. We compared modified ebay shorties to kooks - 5.0 coyote. Literally no difference
@lukestrasser4 жыл бұрын
Fit, finish, flange thickness, and overall quality matter just as much as the power numbers. Changing header flange and collector gaskets that leak all the time sucks. Same with headers that fit poorly or rot out after a year or two. Great test Richard! Best of luck in 2020, if you take a tumble on New Years eve, don't catch yourself with your face 😁
@richardholdener17274 жыл бұрын
when I find something good-I stick with it! Face first into 2020
@9090ruby4 жыл бұрын
eBay headers fit great on an engine dyno
@timh11874 жыл бұрын
They fit great in my big truck before it got the turbo treatment.
@beto_lsx4974 жыл бұрын
Yea they fit great on my 2011 silverado
@stlchucko4 жыл бұрын
9090ruby Engine Masters already covered denting headers to clear objects doesn’t affect power much. They beat the hell out of a couple Hookers with hammers to prove it.
@9090ruby4 жыл бұрын
ChuckO doesn’t mean i want to go denting up my exhaust to make it fit
@timh11874 жыл бұрын
@@9090ruby pretty clear you have never built anything before. Nothing ever fits as advertised. If your even lucky enough to get the right parts on the first try.
@matthostetler5422Ай бұрын
Actually took my DNA headers out of the box today. I work with stainless steel for a living. These are definitely not 304. They are some extremely low grade stainless and you can get a magnet to stick fairly well on the tubes and i had no problem getting one to stick on the flanges. For $200 I'm not going to complain too much as long as they have a reasonable fit. One of the "mid pipe" tubes is ovaled pretty good and isn't going to work out of the box. I'm probably going to make my own with an x-pipe and true duals. The hardware and gaskets are going in the trash.
@derekhall66874 жыл бұрын
Yo RICH your videos are RICH. LOADS OF INFORMATION FOR THE LAYMAN AND THE PROFESSIONAL. YOU ARE THE BEST. Frieburger and crew take heed. By the way. I purchased the cheap Ebay headers for my 6.0 Ls build Just as test and engine break in. The fit was poor and broke a couple of spark plugs upon installation. In my opinion the more expensive headers are the way to go if your going to keep them for every day use or racing.
@woxie49904 жыл бұрын
... oh yeah, and please feel better, get well soon, hope you have a full and speedy recovery!
@dickmick5517 Жыл бұрын
My short tube headers were very thin where the exhaust piping bolted up to them. The exhaust guy did great welds but at the confluence of the very thin wall SS and the aluminized tubing it was a difficult weld. Remember these do not have a flange just a short end of the tube that clamps to the headers. Flange thickness at the head was adequate and I had no issues with them leaking there. Spark plug access was fine but the set up needed a set of ceramic boots on the wire to keep from burning them. Don't forget to add the cost of the wires to the change over.
@BadAssEngineering4 жыл бұрын
I have Speed Engineerings on my truck, I even have a review on them, I've had them for a couple of years and everything has been great
@javi13734 жыл бұрын
Same here I buy from them every time love their headers
@reyperez34244 жыл бұрын
Same here
@danbandito4 жыл бұрын
Just bought a set for my vette. Came here hoping to see people talking about speed eng. and these results. Glad I got them now.
@fbanda204 жыл бұрын
I run the Speed Engineering LT headers on my 5th gen zl1. Been over a year no problems and fitment was no problem.
@InFiD3ViL14 жыл бұрын
Really would like to see a comparison to Tri-Y long tube headers, such as Doug Thorley.
@upnorthviking8234 жыл бұрын
Dont know about v8 s but i know on 4cyls they are the best design
@issuesmotorsports24574 жыл бұрын
Also testing true merge collectors vs non merge would be interesting.
@Maverick091713 жыл бұрын
Yes. This is what we need
@RickNethery3 жыл бұрын
These videos are so awesome, I have become addicted to them.
@chadpowell79834 жыл бұрын
Price does matter....in case you are all wondering...Cost me around 350 total with the long tube headers, mid pipe, and y pipe assembly...
@dilsher124 жыл бұрын
Can you please bolt on some 180 degree headers and see if they make a difference over long tubes , I love the way they sound
@gregwhaley40172 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the rundown on the results! Def great info to know! Based on that data, as long as the fitment of the inexpensive headers is acceptable, then I wouldn't have any issue with using them. From a cost perspective, they're pretty much disposable.. but nobody want to replace stuff "just because". So, it would be interesting to hear from others about their longer-term experience with the lesser priced parts with regard to rusting, reliability of the welds (life without leaks), as well as discoloration. Ceramic? Blankets? Bare? I imagine that Richard would excel in an American Sign Language course! Thanks again!
@kevinwest36894 жыл бұрын
I am amazed at the efforts this fella puts into this and I don't have to pay for it, he's not trying to sale anything 🤯 talks at a normal speed, intelligent, I'm only subscribed to two different channels this and athlean X, Two similar very cool guys, only this is stuff I might actually do lol
@Matp3454 жыл бұрын
I’m still amazed with those 4.8s. Great numbers and the revs just keep climbing
@ds47064 жыл бұрын
Great information, thank you for saving me a ton of headache and $$$
@kelinjohnson74214 жыл бұрын
i stopped watching engine masters to watch this dude hit that thumbs up
@michaelmajor54674 жыл бұрын
I put these cheap eBay headers on my 2012 Crew cab 243 heads 600 lift cam 4 years ago great set up.
@johnboivt10 ай бұрын
This content will live forever
@marcstlaurent37194 жыл бұрын
Great test I love how much info you pack in a short video
@garykish89514 жыл бұрын
It's amazing to see just how good the oems have come with manni designs. A world apart from the crap used in the 70's and 80's.
@keithturk1044 жыл бұрын
I was thinking this same exact thing...
@frozenstang38684 жыл бұрын
Great comparison that was well articulated and unbiased.There 2 other things to consider. Flange thickness which can affect sealing and pipe thickness which affects underhood head and noise.
@meekocompton21143 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! Exactly the straight forward analysis I was looking for
@cjnthn4 жыл бұрын
Stock LS manifolds flow really well!
@AB-80X3 жыл бұрын
Kinda, but they hit one hell of a brick wall once you go above what they were designed for. But the lack of leaks, ease of installation etc. is very tempting.
@justanother67camaro324 жыл бұрын
Liked it just based off the opening pic. Keep up the great work Richard, some GREAT videos lately!
@9874123654aa4 жыл бұрын
After seeing the dyno tests on cam only ls3 I really want one. Great bargain for an aluminum 550 hp engine!
@jaydubb714 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this one. I've been battling back and forth with folks about brand name headers and cheap copies of them. Forget spending thousands of dollars for brand name headers.
@hopsyn4 жыл бұрын
James Williams you think the companies making knock offs are testing? lol someone has to design through r&d these products but you take the risk if your eBay part is a knock off of something that works or something that’s good enough.
@jaydubb714 жыл бұрын
@@hopsyn Nope. I don't think they are testing. But in my case, I have OBX copies of Kooks headers for a G8. They've been dyno tested before in the past and they were within 1-5 hp of Kooks. For less than half the price. So, I'm happy... Lol
@isiahgomez68604 жыл бұрын
James Williams Ppl who buy the expensive brand got the money for it so they can careless searching for cheaper. Also the more expensive brands like kooks comes with better quality v band clamps and provide 02 extenders
@jaydubb714 жыл бұрын
@@isiahgomez6860 I got the money for the good stuff also. And Ive had my cheap stuff for years. But double the price for 5 hp? No sir.
@jaydubb714 жыл бұрын
@@isiahgomez6860 and Kooks doesn't offer the O2 extensions for free. I got mine for 10 bucks. Everyone else wanted 30. And I've had no issues.
@ChurchAutoTest4 жыл бұрын
I always questioned whether the guys just dumping the catalysts off the stock exhaust manifolds were really gaining much, but apparently they perform almost as well as the shorties. In fact, I suspect the guys reporting bigger gains on shorties are comparing them to stocks with cats which is not really apples to apples. Good, informative testing.
@Maverick091713 жыл бұрын
There is nothing to gain from removing cats. They are not the restriction.
@michaelkannard71494 жыл бұрын
Hey Bub, I usually don’t make comments but you definitely got a subscriber on this one I want to see more!
@asyourgm4 жыл бұрын
If the cheaper headers were to lack something that the more expensive headers had, I wouldn't put my bet on performance. It would more likely be the longevity. If your cheaper headers are made by a hobbyist with a flux-core mig, I'd worry more about the conditions of the welds under long-term distress. But if you're the sort of builder who is constantly exploring new components, it's a pretty good deal even if they only last a year or two.
@noahtheviking14 жыл бұрын
$1500 to $2000 for headers is just to much for a stock engine with just a cam upgrade!
@1godgodgodgodgod4 жыл бұрын
It's to much for any engine.
@kelinjohnson74214 жыл бұрын
only to gain 20hp if that
@Shadow0fd3ath244 жыл бұрын
its too much for anything that doesnt make 2000+hp and need to be made out of titanium
@madmod4 жыл бұрын
@@1godgodgodgodgod 8:1 collector with boom tubes may be worth it. Beyond that it's a pissing match.
@raymond-simmons1simmons154 жыл бұрын
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@cobaltsslsj5891 Жыл бұрын
Cheap ebay for the win of course - no way going to pay for the name brand - awesome video Thanks
@rynev33924 жыл бұрын
It’s nice to see that the 4.8l with a cam wasn’t really that “restricted” with stock cast manifolds at high RPM’s.
@richardholdener17274 жыл бұрын
I wrote a book on Focus Performance-including a chapter on turbos-they can make good power
@rynev33924 жыл бұрын
Anthony Thomas, you’re right, but the point I was making is that I and many people have had the belief that you have to get headers to make power and allow the engine breath, when in reality you need to upgrade your cam shaft for better results as far as high RPM power
@bizzybcarm.d.78284 жыл бұрын
I was always told the big difference at least for ford headers was Flange thickness. Cheaper one can look identical but material and thickness of the flange are the big difference. Cheaper one's tend to warp over time and break studs and obviously cause exhaust leaks. Great video btw very useful information!
@vwdarrin4 жыл бұрын
thank you for the video's, They are some of best video's on KZfaq ,
@aDaWaN4 жыл бұрын
Great video! Thanks for the testing. For further improving these videos: putting a table with all the results in one shot after the testing would be really nice.
@turbomopie4 жыл бұрын
Really cool to see on the 3 setups. Keep it up Richard!
@1967davethewave4 жыл бұрын
I put a set of Hooker Super Comps on my mild 350 in my '76 Camaro. I only used them because I found a set for $50. But I have to say they are the best fitting SBC headers I've ever owned. I only had to clearance one tube to clear a spark plug. Everything else was great. They might not be optimal but the good fit was worth the trade off.
@mrelectron62202 жыл бұрын
Another great video from Richard, I would go with the name brand Richard didn't mention it but quality thickness of the tubing ect makes a difference of longevity
@jessesmollet63524 жыл бұрын
Since I started getting involved in higher performance domestic 8 cylinders, I've always heard about how headers were something you don't skimp on. I couldn't get over the fact that a company here in the US could make something for $1100, while a china company could make something almost identical for $250. It's a simple bunch of steel tubes haha. I have bought more expensive domestic headers and they all require modification to clear plugs, frame rails, starters. I'd feel much more inclined to go smacking a cheap set of headers than something I just spent a paycheck on haha.
@Mr1Tanker2 жыл бұрын
You mean you'd pay two guys to smack them? 🤣
@tro3182 Жыл бұрын
Same here
@ChefofWar33 Жыл бұрын
Same. From all of the KZfaq videos Ive watched of guys installing high dollar headers, they ALL run into fitment issues. So I might as well get some cheap shit so I can just pay a buddy to deal with the headache. XD
@n8rivera744 жыл бұрын
Happy New Year, Richard. Thanks for making great content with information that's easily understood. I really appreciate it.
@nicholasmihail92704 жыл бұрын
This video was very helpful, i had a set of cheap eBay headers on my 95 vw golf, where almost all of the parts came from fleabay.... on my new chrysler 300c ill most likely go with a set of more expensive long tubes, especially since it's going to get a cam and tuner! Thanks for taking the time to make these videos!
@ze_german29214 жыл бұрын
What you should have mentioned is the benefits from long tube headers down low when you take off from the stop light. For a Heavy vehicle like a truck, there is where they really shine.
@richardholdener17274 жыл бұрын
I think I mentioned the low-speed torque gains offered by the long tubes several times-but one more can't hurt
@sleepylogic16474 жыл бұрын
Cool channel, I just watched your turbo HEMI video and was very impressed.
@greenman7yyy3 ай бұрын
I am not a race driver, I am in pursuit of increased efficiency. No one makes a long tube headers for my application so I use shorties. The only auto of mine that does have long tube aftermarket support is a turbo, so shorties still win. I did find your tests very enlightening. I begs the question, do I support the company that spends all the time and money to develope quality aftermarket products of the POS overseas company that STEALS their design with absolutely no regard for their investment and sells them on eBay with zero overhead??? I support American aftermarket companies and for those reasons. God forbid I ever need customer support from a company in China that ripped of my go-to American company's, design!!
@keithstella22784 жыл бұрын
Another great video!!! It's nice to see someone tell the truth about the expensive products.
@charleslincoln53573 жыл бұрын
Thx that’s all I needed for my daily driver The shorties will be just fine
@scottmanuel54183 жыл бұрын
Would love to see tuned length headers vs standard long tubes.
@AB-80X3 жыл бұрын
It is one hell of an undertaking. Tuned headers are also a part of a tuned intake. Ever wondered why a Ferrari V12 screams? It's the intake tuning related to the headers. That's what Ferrari does better than just about anybody.
@FasterNLouder3 жыл бұрын
They sure do! I have a few videos on my channel about how I bought and installed some ebay headers for my 5.7 Hemi Challenger.
@reckonitions3214 жыл бұрын
Your thumbnail has me rolling, keep up the awesome videos.
@jrocha383ws64 жыл бұрын
Awesome testing! Thanks for your hard work. Love your channel. 👍 Keep it up.
@colejohnson37054 жыл бұрын
I bought the ebay headers because the stock exhaust manifolds on my vortec engines shrink and break the bolts off in the heads. The ebay headers fit perfectly, thick flanges and they work great with no leaks.
@soundslikealot4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the test and Happy New Year! 💥✌️
@cbr600rx7 Жыл бұрын
Love your videos. Thank you for taking the time to make them