TLDR Short= more torque, peak hp lower rpm and usually bolt on factory replacement Long= more hp, peak hp higher rpm and usually requires custom exhaust.

All I heard was, MO POWA BABY!!!

Another thing to consider is the heat from longtube headers. Considering how tightly they often fit, a lot of the time they can lead to melting wires or suspension bushings, or even causing the transmission to overheat. Long tube headers should only really be used in vehicles with a lot of space to work with. Seen several bad reviews of parts because it never occured to them that having the hottest part of your car right next to it might be a bad idea.

The difference I have found between long tube and Shorty headers is 5 hp on the top in. And since I like being able to get the transmission out of the car without having to remove the headers that five horse power was made up elsewhere

Long tube headers for me! My big block loves them

I have 1⅝" primaries into 2.5" collector shorties with the ceramic coating. They're rusty. :( So glad you didn't start talking about "needing back pressure". Thumbs up from me for the accurate explanation.

Not sure if I agree that shorties would be easier to install than long tubes. Just finished installing a set of stainless works long tubes on my car. The fitment was great and they slid right in with no problem or clearance issues. A couple bolts were a little annoying to get at, but those were the same bolts that were annoying to get at when I was taking off the factory log manifolds, and they'd be the same deal with shorties. Install ease I would honestly say is a wash between the 2. Feeling the difference of the long tubes to anyone considering headers and who doesn't have emissions or a lowered car to deal with I would honestly recommend just forgetting about the shorties and go straight to long tube headers. Honestly the difference is insane, my first drive after the header install caught me off guard. Car feels like a totally different machine!

Long tubes might be illegal, ill take 5 sets please

You forgot to mention long tube headers give a much better exhaust note.

Put short tube headers on a daily driven 5.9L v8 MAGNUM in a 1998 Dodge RAM 1500 4x4 along with a low-->midrange Hughes engines camshaft + roller rockers and that woke that underrated Mopar motor right up!

BBK Shorties, Flowmaster mid-pipe with 4 cats, Magnaflow catback, ZEX N2O and a lot more. Jersey here.

I have an old E150 Ford van that I am putting short tubes on, I figure the thing rarely sees 3500 rpm so I don't need the long tubes. I just want more efficiency than the factory manifolds.

First off, nobody outside of California cares what California says. Everything I’ve ever seen says that it’s known to the state of California to cause cancer and birth defects. While I still haven’t decided on headers yet it seems fairly consistent that shorties add more power and torque lower in the rpm range while long tubes add power from mid to upper rpm range. I’m still researching to decide which headers are best for me and my car.

Yes I am not looking to build a drag racer so I’m going with shorty as I do not go faster then 120km and stay around 2k rpm and only need the low end boost so my daily can handle its weight easier

It really matters about flow. Exhaust scavenging is where the velocity of exhaust creates a small vacuum in the cylinder helping intake and cooling. This is cause by expanding hot gas creating suction out the tail pipe. It matters more the application do you want low end or top end. What about mid lengths?

Long tubes make more power everywhere vs a shorty. 1 7/8 will make more midrange and up power on 500hp+ Vs 1 3/4" long tubes.

I went with, 1-5/8" short tube headers tuned length, by BBK. They are also polished silver ceramic. The main reason I went with these, is because I live in N.Y. and its a CARB state

Love these vids, I got JBA shorty Headers on mine.

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Can’t even scroll anymore wo ads restarting your scrolling to the beginning. Long tubes was the way to go for my foxbody. I couldn’t believe the difference it made and actually feel the power vibration under your feet.

I have Stainless steel long tube headers on my 2002 Chevrolet 6.0 and love them

my 6 gen camaro adores the kooks 1 7/8 longtubes and remember IF IT AIN'T LONG IT AIN'T STRONG 😂😂😂🤙🤙.

I got shorties on my 5.0 but I'm switching to longtubes in 2 weeks or so

Long tubes now. Considering shortys for starter clearance.

My 5 Gen Camaro loves my bbk headers and x pipe complements the cam beautifully

Headers that cool faster, moves air slower. The best coatings keep the heat in the headers for faster air speed.

If anyone has a 2016 mustang v6 like me, the only CARB shorties I could find are JBA. Will have them and aFe Mach XP catbacks installed this weekend. (K&N Cai already installed and a Bully Dog tuner for good measure.)

I opted for stainless shorty headers on my Foxbody. Long tubes are a pain in the ass to install and work around. Exhaust work in general makes my knuckles bleed, and sometimes I'll curse loudly in my driveway. Don't need any more of that. Foxbody cars are generally very simple and even these cars will give you headaches with steering shaft clearance and general fitment, I imagine they must be even worse on a newer chassis. Long tubes sound nice, though, and give a modest torque boost across most of the range, so they are ideal if you can handle the drawbacks.

Good thing I am doing a Supercharger! Long Tube Headers here we come!

Long tube headers offer more torque and hp through the entire rpm range. Shorties are better then stock but not as good at any rpm as long tubes. You left out exhaust pulse benefits that shorties don’t offer. Also the collector tube plays a role as well. Lengthening the tubes raises the portion of the curve below peak and reduces the portion above peak torque; shortening them has the reverse effect.

I Went With Long Tubes On My 06 5.7 Hemi Commander. It Was Either That Or Stock Manifolds lol. No Shorties Available. They Are 1-7/8". Lost Tons Of Power All Over lol. Also Installed A 6.1 Intake. Lost Tons Of Mid And Low End Power. I Think I've Lost About 30HP Overall With My Intake And Exhuast But That Just Tells Me I Freed Up Some Bottle Necks With Port Velocity. I Plan On Putting A Single Turbo And See What It Does. Its A Very "Think Out Side The Box" Turbo Set Up lol.

This video had really great information. I learned so much and its helping shape my decision on which headers and coatings to finally go with. Thanks!!!

I thought it was the opposite I’ve always seen long tube give back torque in the low range of high reving motor that rely on power up top. I’ve always heard shorties rob bottom end to allow for a fast flow for high revs.

Wouldn’t short tubes benefit all forced induction motors? Boost is just a measurement for restriction. I understand the theory for turbo vehicles. I’ve never had a turbo charged vehicle except for a diesel pickup but I’ve had 2 supercharged vehicles an 02 lighting and an 04 cobra. I lost a pound of boost on my lighting when I put long tubes on it. I’ve also noticed that a lot of overhead cam motors that do not have variable valve timing do not respond well to long tubes.

180 degree headers were my only choice for my Pantera, if I wanted long tubes. Looked, sounded & performed great. Living with them sucked, off they came & don't regret it one bit.

I went from shorties to longtubes on a warmed up 88 5.0 HO, it felt like I added over 50 Hp. Clearance is an issue.

My Toyota corolla makes a scraping noise after adding the long ones

My supercharger on my 2001 Chevy Silverado love my long tube hedder they are ceramic pace setters, amongst other things.

Im running hedmens longtubes with no cats no mufflers just straight pipe with 3" to turn downs

Shorties for a turbo? Turbos have a completely different type of header than these. Turbo headers turn back toward the front joining into a turbo/intercooler.

If you are putting headers on a newer truck go with shorties for more torque on the low to mid rpm range. No need for long tubes on a truck unless it is for drag racing only.

I have a 2014 Dodge Charger R/T AWD Hemi 5.7L. (Only has 31,000 miles on it) I am looking at BBK shorty either in chrome or stainless. Not sure which I want. (Recommendation please) Anyway, I figured the long tube would be too tight. and not worth risking extra heat from the exhaust. I already had installed a DynaFlow muffler with that nice "deep mellow" sound. I just want to install headers for that better airflow over the factory headers that has a much more restrictive flow.. I installed a fiberglass SRT8 hood. So with that said, I then installed a Mopar cold air intake and that has been a much nicer ride with just that alone

My 67 GTO loves the long tube, as I have dual Super Chargers.

As a new subscriber, I'm glad I found your channel. I'm about to take my 96 f150 and start a new project. Look forward to checking out your archive. Thanks.

Long tube for my RAM with Hemi

You can only install short tube headers because of clearance problems & they will bolt onto the factory Y pipe. The main problem with installing any type of headers on any late model car or truck is the number & placement of the oxygen sensors.

MM- How do long tube headers lower stress on a supercharged engine?

Grate video I learned something for when i put a 302 in my truck thank you ,but back pressure is nonsense. Proving by Engine Master's and drag cars look at pro mods or even street cars.

Thanks for the very informative vid. I have been trying to decide on the best exhaust upgrade to my C7 Grand Sport. This has made my decision pretty clear as to which/what setup to go with. Keep up the detailed vids coming.

i'm building the third option not mentioned. tri Y headers provide a scavenging effect at low rpm's think of it like having 6 X pipes on your v8. better than a shorty at low to mid range. good luck finding them though best bet is make them yourself.

This was good information. It help answer alot of my questions. Thank you

Short answer: If you want maximum power, get long tube headers if possible.

I'm putting a set of shorty headers on a bone stock 2002 Chevy Suburban with a 5.3L engine.

Stainless Works long tubes on my Crown Vic...I get to pick it up when JPC Racing is finished with it.

I’m indecisive between short tube or long tube for my 5.7 300c. I plan on getting the 90mm throttle body to go with my already installed K&N intake. Also plan on getting high flow cats along with a decent cat back exhaust. I feel like I know a lot about cars but I’m not the most educated in this area. Any help or advice would be highly appreciated!!

I've got a long tube ceramic headers on my 1970 El Camino with a 350 conventionally aspirated. I hope It's a good choice.

For the V6 guys, If you want your V6 to sound like Chewbacca taking a shit, go with long tube headers and enjoy your 10 hp but everyone roasting your exhaust. If you want to make it sound good with a deep throaty tone and gain a bit of mid range torque, go with shorties. And before you get ass tickled, I had both set ups on my car. Longtubes with off-road x pipe and it sounded horrible when it passed 2k rpms.

Think I would benefit from shorty headers. Not looking for max hp gains as so many of you are. But if you're next to me at a stoplight, you will never see what your longtubes are suppose to do! Just remember as a friend of mine found out with a 900 hp S550 gt . There is always someone faster!

Can't do either. Nearest tune shop is 100 miles away.

shorty headers with non resonated test pipe? seems like long tubes to me

There are only 2 kinds of exhaust header. 1 Tuned headers that deliver performance according to the design. 2 Manifolds whether cast or tubular that simply conduct the exhaust out to the rest of the exhaust system. Short tube "headers" are not tuned in any way. They function as simple pipes.

*_Less Bends = MORE POWER_*

my main reason for wanting shorter headers is they are less maintinence

Me personally id go with naturally aspirated engines so i prefer long exhaust pipes but if the engine is reliable enough for the turbo then ill taje short exhaust pipes

I wonder what one would work best on a 3100 v6 for my bumb n run car

Very helpful! Thank you so much... But I'm still a little confused on the best set up for me at the moment. I have a 2016 gt, auto, with 4.10 gears. So does that mean that I would be better off with short tube headers? Also what size would be the best for that setup? I have a stock exhaust and the only thing I have right now is a roush intake with a 91 tune. Any help would be appreciated.

THANK YOU ! NOW I know what to put in my Charger Jeff!

Looking to step into better and better preformance with fuel economy being the most important and better than OEM performance next. I am wondering if short headers compatible with a turbo/supercharger would be a good first step and then i could choose a turbo or supercharger upgrade later? What is up with upgrades that include BOTH a supercharger and a turbocharger?

Long is strong

Glad you did this video... hopefully your research has helped you on your decision. *cough long tube cough* *cough nitrous cough* I know you'll probably go shorty... if you do, you need to gander at Gibson, JBA, and BBK.

i got a turbo so options limited

Long tubes illegal in Cali yet MANY ppl still got them 😂😂😂😂

My 94 f150 loves its long tubes. My 02 f150 has shortys n I’m not a big fan of them. Besides the fact they where a b**ch to install

is there an in between medium length headers?

what exact header is best for 5.3 the older ones around 2001 and wat quarter inch piping

​ Yukon 5.3 v8 2008 with zr1 cam What would you installing cold air intake +long tube headers or short tube headers? Thanks a lot uncle

You FAILED to mention Kooks Long-tube Headers fit tighter up in car from under. Kooks doesn’t fit lower under the car like all other long tube headers

Do one for equal length vs unequal length headers.

I’m still getting long tubes

Thx for this

good info, nice to learn from you.

Did I miss where he covered supercharged applications?

NOTHING BEATS A HI DURATION CAM MOTOR FOR THAT RASPY THROATY SOUND 🏁

I'm upgrading a 2011 chevy colorado 2.9L so what do u suggest buddies? I already put a high performance shift kit to the transmission and a posi track lock unit to the rearend

im not really sure what kind of header i should go with for a 5.0l v8 ford f150

Does long tubes make the truck run loader? I've heard mixed things

Considering you rarely use RPMs higher than 4000 for any reasonable amount of time on the street and sometimes not even on the racetrack, where you have to get slow down and accelerate up to speed oh, a lot of that low end torque and horsepower is quite usable with Shorty headers. Which, in my experience give you all but that last little bit of very high-end performance with long tube headers. But you lose everything else for that little bit at the top end. Shorty headers have come a long way. What was really strange back in the late 60s early 70s is people would buy the big block Chryslers with those really strange-looking exhaust manifolds and take them off and put long tube headers on them and make less horsepower. Because there was no thought put into the design of the headers. It took a while for designed headers to actually come to fruition.

what if im not looking for more horse power but a better sound.

i just want a better sound than stock with no cats, are shorties a god option?

It's 3 options. Short, mid, long.

What would you use on a small NA 4 cylinder engine? and would it boost or free up power more efficiently? p.s working on a small hatchback with a 1.5L naturally aspirated engine as a project at the moment.

I have a 2001 base model c5. Thinking of doing kooks short tube headers, catted xpipe, and no mufflers. I assume I should go with 1 3/4"? Also does anyone have any recommendations for axel back straight pipes? Lots of performance muffler options, but I'd really like to go straight.

Which are better for centrifugal superchargers?

Short tubes producing more torque is an idiotic myth. Long tubes out perform short tubes in areas of the rpm range.

I still dont know why they make long tubes closer to the ground when they dont need to be.

I have a 2005 Dodge Magnum RT 5.7 Liter with a Magnaflow High-flow Catalytic converter and a Borla ATTAK cat-back exhaust system. Can anyone recommend which one (Long or Short tube) I should go with? I also live in Texas....

Down vote for referencing "Back pressure"

I have a 2017 chrysler 300 sport Hemi... Which one is better for my car i want all around power but dont kno which one to choose helppppp

Long all the way

BBK short or long headers on a v6 2015 mustang?