Do THIS Before Using Epilame/Fix-O-Drop

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Watch Repair Tutorials

Watch Repair Tutorials

Жыл бұрын

In this video I cover 6 things that you need to be good at before you even think about adding Epilame or Fix-O-Drop to your service routine.
Plus, how I apply Epilame to the pallet fork stones.
Thanks for Watching
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@paulschumacker9901
@paulschumacker9901 Жыл бұрын
These fantastic videos contain a wealth of real-life information that nobody else is talking about. Yes, some of the other channels are extremely well done and captivating to watch, but they don’t provide the sort of practical know-how that Alex’s lessons contain. In this one he’s absolutely right in saying that Epilame isn’t going to help if you don’t know how to lubricate properly, And that investing in Epilame before you’ve acquired a staking set is putting the cart before the horse. And the editing is perfect, so we don’t need to watch for 90 minutes to learn something!
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
Thank you Paul, and thank you for your support, It means a lot.
@dr.s.p.
@dr.s.p. Жыл бұрын
Now that is what I wanted to say before you articulated your comment so extremely well; I give you you two thumbs up 👍👍
@paulschumacker9901
@paulschumacker9901 Жыл бұрын
@@dr.s.p. Thanks, and happy watch servicing!
@XJ290
@XJ290 Ай бұрын
Excellent comment.
@slateization
@slateization Жыл бұрын
That made way too much sense. Thank you for crushing my dreams of cosplaying as someone smart and capable
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
I hope you’re kidding.😉😉 The point I was trying to make was that there’s a lot of things way more important the master first before adding in another procedure.
@slateization
@slateization Жыл бұрын
@@watchrepairtutorials It’s totally a joke! And know I have a long way to go before I can decently clean and oil a movement. How long the oil stays there is fairly irrelevant
@ruadhagainagaidheal9398
@ruadhagainagaidheal9398 Жыл бұрын
I’m just embarking on Mark Lovick’s Watch Repair Course/ Lessons and I find your videos just sublime ! How lucky am I to have two great teachers whenever I need you. I’ve always loved those little beating hearts living inside watches ,but never had the time until I retired to devote to learning how to properly cherish and care for them.
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
Retirement is awesome and watchmaking is a fantastic hobby when you are. Congrats
@michaelgeorge1469
@michaelgeorge1469 Жыл бұрын
Your the only channel that I've seen correctly explain how to use and when to use fixadrop. Excellent video.
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
Thanks you sir.
@fernandoAveledo
@fernandoAveledo Жыл бұрын
Thanks again Alex for sharing your knowledge. What makes your lessons unique for me is that you cover the technique, the common sense of the practice (which helps me to put 1st things 1st) and offer bonus tips (some of them helping us to safe money) All of that packed with good audio, video, simplicity and structured content.
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your thoughts Fernando. I have much more in store for the channel as I get ready to wrap up the basic series and move into how to do basic repairs. Hope to see you again my friend.
@rickdenney5772
@rickdenney5772 Жыл бұрын
For the hobbyist, Moebius sells their 8981 Fix-O-Drop in 10ml jars that include a screened application tray built into the top of the bottle. This circumvents the need for the $100 special bottle. It's still stupid-expensive for what it is ($50), but used as minimally as it is used, might still last quite a while for the home user. And it's a heck of a lot cheaper than a staking set!
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
Yep, that’s relatively new on the market. It’s true that it’s less expensive than a staking set or even a jeweling set, but then again you can’t fix anything with it.
@rickdenney5772
@rickdenney5772 Жыл бұрын
@@watchrepairtutorials 😀No, Fix-O-Drop won't drive an unneeded bushing out of a pocket watch replacement hand, which was the last thing I used my staking set for. Jeweling is still in my future...
@bangy55
@bangy55 Жыл бұрын
I love you, man! In every video, you tick all the boxes and then drop the mike. Please don't stop making new videos!
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
Thanks Mike, back at ya
@MiguelBricaBrac
@MiguelBricaBrac Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this advice. It really sorts out what we need to focus on as we progress and spend our money wisely.
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
Often times, new watch makers read a bunch of stuff and they hear about this wonderful stuff professional watchmakers use and they want to run out and get it right away because somehow in their mind, they think it’s gonna make them a better watchmaker. Well, it doesn’t and you get my point thank you.
@grahamcohen3850
@grahamcohen3850 Жыл бұрын
And once again you hit another home run Alex. Thanks so much. Excellent video.
@larslindegren5632
@larslindegren5632 Жыл бұрын
So practice for a year or two and then start to think about epilame......got it!
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
👍
@dannyperkins4220
@dannyperkins4220 Жыл бұрын
Thank you sharing and teaching your skills.
@rossjackson3670
@rossjackson3670 Жыл бұрын
Love the style. Made the video purely for me. Well, it feels that way. Easy to understand and not condescending.
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
I love helping so I hope I hope I never sound condescending. With that said, some things require tough love and it is never meant to discourage anyone, but to help guide them in the right direction.
@gregcapella5941
@gregcapella5941 Жыл бұрын
THANKS
@eletrizuados
@eletrizuados Жыл бұрын
Just amazing! Pure science! Thanks Alex!!!
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
My pleasure brother. I hope to see you again around here. 😀
@boydsargeant7496
@boydsargeant7496 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Again Alex, great tips. I only started using it because I’d often have 3-4 goes at getting my oiling correct on cap stones, now it’s first time. I bought the smallest jar of it I I could find and it has a handy mesh filter built in, so I haven’t needed to invest in the silly priced bottle. I might investigate a drying system. Laters!
@ioannisdamigos708
@ioannisdamigos708 Жыл бұрын
The best description of how to use epilame! Great presentation from Alex. Thank you for sharing knowledge, great teaching lessons.
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
Thanks my friend.
@jjcj6463
@jjcj6463 Жыл бұрын
Otro gran vídeo. Muchas gracias.
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
gracias de nuevo. Espero verte de nuevo
@pipodorologio1648
@pipodorologio1648 Жыл бұрын
thanks for sharing mate, great video
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
Thanks Pipo.
@L7A1B93
@L7A1B93 Жыл бұрын
Exelent tips as usuall. Thanks!
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
Thanks brother
@Supercruze
@Supercruze Жыл бұрын
Alex - You videos are always informational and I appreciate the knowledge coming from an expert to lend to my hobbyist watchmaking skills. To apply Epilame to the pallet stones, I purchased some very fine artist brushes with fine tip points. I dip the artist brush in the Epilame and paint the pallet stone faces with the liquid while holding the main body of the pallet fork with tweezers being careful not to get Epilame on the metal part of the pallet fork. Works very well for me. John S
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
I have to admit, that interesting.
@williambarker263
@williambarker263 Жыл бұрын
Another great and really useful video! Keep'em coming please Alex!
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
Thanks Mr Barker. I’m working on a two-part series on how to buy vintage watches for repair. Hope you can check them out
@williambarker263
@williambarker263 Жыл бұрын
@@watchrepairtutorials Oh, Alex you can be sure that I check out each an every single of your videos... multiple times !!!
@johnboyofalaska4182
@johnboyofalaska4182 Жыл бұрын
Now THAT is a great tip, and what I have been looking for about elimape..... Thanks! As usual- I love the direct and to the point-- clear and simple.
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
Wait, Is this my buddy from the North Pole
@johnboyofalaska4182
@johnboyofalaska4182 Жыл бұрын
@@watchrepairtutorials Yuppers! Finaly got time to get back to work-- got 2 timexes Ive hadda put aside since May. Just finished today. (Summer's busy ya kno!).
@raypedia
@raypedia Жыл бұрын
Excellent video with practical advice. Can tell how passionate you are by how much you're beating on your desktop. 😂
@So.Stephen
@So.Stephen Жыл бұрын
Got it boss. No fix a drop for me until I get the staking set. Time to get approval from the wife. Great video as always!
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
Hey buddy. Thanks.
@avithaaugustin1963
@avithaaugustin1963 Жыл бұрын
An Unrestrained true guidance for even the smallest procedures , most needed for all enthusiasts including an uninitiated one like me. A treasure trove of knowledge. Dr Augustine. Tamil Nadu , INDIA.
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
Thank you my friend. I hope all is well.
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
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@chrisvincent6138
@chrisvincent6138 Жыл бұрын
Hi, do you also treat the end Jewells. on the shocks? again another very informative video, many thanks.
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
No, I have heard of some people doing it but as far as I know it’s not recommended.
@amandagelien9612
@amandagelien9612 Жыл бұрын
Yes I did go to AWCI training and WE DID DO The Entire pallet fork! I will try your method as it makes better sense but shy because or finding corrosion on sometimes a gooey mess on the fork and escape wheel (not on my work)🤪
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
That’s so weird and a little surprising. After reading your comment I talked to 2 friends of mine, one was taught by Jason at OSU and it was a SAWTA program and another who is currently in WOSTEP program and both confirmed stone only. Strange
@amandagelien9612
@amandagelien9612 Жыл бұрын
When I went Tom Schuemaker was teaching
@whatsstefon
@whatsstefon Жыл бұрын
I recently watched Chronoglide talk about it and it made a lot of sense. However he also explained how it works and it made more sense. My understanding is that you use it to coat the pallet jewels, upon assembly, let the movement run and the escape wheel to create a groove on the pallet jewels where the foot of the escapement makes contact and slides across in normal operation. Then you apply lubricant. Which will remain in that “groove”. This seems to be opposite of what you refer to when talking about the “grinding” paste that it can create. However then you do mention lubricating afterwards. So in a way your info is similar to what Chronoglide says. You raise a very good point though. Epilam is useful for an even more thorough lubrication, needs to be applied correctly and treated correctly afterwards for drying, and thus when to apply the lubricant. Thank you again for an amazing video.
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
Just to clarify, letting the escapement run, removes the coating from the escape wheel tooth and where the tooth runs across the impulse face of the pallet stones. It doesn't really wear a groove in the pallet stone as that would be bad, right. Im sure its a translation problem. The grinding paste or dust i was referring to happens at the other side of the pallet fork, in the slot and horns. This is caused by the constant impact by the impulse jewel and is one reason the entire pallet fork is not immersed .
@whatsstefon
@whatsstefon Жыл бұрын
@@watchrepairtutorials yes. I meant “groove” in the coating. Not the stone itself.
@itzhaccroitoru4082
@itzhaccroitoru4082 Жыл бұрын
Alex - You videos are always informational,what about pocket watches,from 1800 to 1920 ??
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
Oh man I’m doing a video right now about that. Should be out in a couple days.
@WMIYC
@WMIYC Жыл бұрын
Alex, What recommendations do you have for choosing the right or a good used staking set?
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
The first thing you want to make sure of is that its an "Inverto" model meaning that a stake can be inserted into the largest hole in the base. This allows the lower stake to be used instead of a stump. Most staking sets will be, just make sure that its not so old that it doesn't have this feature. Next make sure there is a decent selection of stumps. Most likely you will not find a set with every available stump, but there should not be a bunch of empty holes in the case. I have a well stocked set with 23 stumps just to give you an idea but there are some specialty ones I don't have. Make absolute sure that the centering punch is there. Without that its pretty much useless. Stake selection is a little harder. You want to look at the empty holes to see if there are a lot missing, but almost all sets I have seen, even complete ones have open holes in the case for add-on's. It's hard to tell the condition of the ends of the stakes in pictures so there is always some type of risk when buying vintage as sometimes you will run into a hollow stake with a pivot broke off in the hole which can be impossible to get out. Hope this helps
@17crescent
@17crescent Жыл бұрын
Useful info as usual. I'm currently looking for a stereoscopic microscope with a long focal length (without tv-out); can you provide details of your microscope? TIA
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
Are use a Amscope triocular with a Barlow lens which gives me more working room underneath it. They have four or five different ones in different budgets but you only need tri ocular if you want to have a camera
@17crescent
@17crescent Жыл бұрын
@@watchrepairtutorials Thanks for replying. Am considering their 3.5-45x zoom.
@roblepl
@roblepl 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the wisdom shared Alex. Do you have an idea of what would be the expected time between services for a properly lubricated watch without using any epilame? Saw somewhere that epilame extends the time 1 or 2 years but, I wonder if any one has done the experiment of servicing 2 movements one with and one without and run it continuously in a winder or something like that... I am an electrical engineer, the nerd in me has so many unanswered questions about epilame. haha
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials 2 ай бұрын
Well there are a ton of variables that can influence service intervals, epilame just being one of them. It in a modern movement, properly serviced, epilame isn’t going to increase it that much. I think it’s more preventative than anything else. Baring something breaking, the main reason a movement needs service is the lubricant breaking down or grime mixing into lubricant and causing wear that affects the rate of the watch. Epilame does nothing to prevent that from happening.
@roblepl
@roblepl 2 ай бұрын
@@watchrepairtutorials Thanks Master Alex! I'll keep trying to perfect my oiling and grease application and leave the epilame worries behind. :-)
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials 2 ай бұрын
@@roblepl once your application is very good then you can introduce epilame to extend your service. Good plan my friend.
@user-ew2rq4sn2t
@user-ew2rq4sn2t Жыл бұрын
Hi Alex, I Having watching a channel and learning from all the lessons. I have been trying my hand on cheap mechanical watches and been able to oil the movement and put it back together. Recently I acquired a vintage Gruen precision automatic 17j. It runs but it badly needs a service. I don’t want to open this and ruin it. I would like you to service this watch. How do I connect with you ?
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
Through my website thewatchsmith.org
@TheBeardedWatchmaker
@TheBeardedWatchmaker Жыл бұрын
Nice again Alex! Epilame has always been expensive because you needed both the Epilame itself and the decanter (which is even more expensive). $200 is usually the price of entry. Recently Moebius released the 10ml Fix-o-drop bottle that has the retaining sieve built into the throat of the bottle, around $40’ish all in. So it’s much more accessible for hobbyists - and your video then becomes more relevant for a greater audience. FWIW, I chuck the whole pallet fork in but I clean the pivots of that and the escape wheel with a pin polisher before installing again. I also use it on the end cap jewels of the balance because it makes it easier to control the size of the oil drop on the end cap - especially if you started the morning with a can of Red Bull or Espresso. Like you said, many ways to skin a cat 😁
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
Well I gotta get out more often. I looked up the 10 ml on cousins and that’s good news for sure. I’m going to try it on the end stones and see what results I get. I would reconsider treating the whole pallet fork. There’s quite a bit of data on the negative effects in the fork slot.
@TheBeardedWatchmaker
@TheBeardedWatchmaker Жыл бұрын
@@watchrepairtutorials Hehe, I guess in both cases you don't know what you don't know lol. I'm assuming you're referring to the trident of the pallet fork against the impulse pin? I wasn't aware of an issue there, something I need to go and read up on then. Thanks!
@awdturbopowah773
@awdturbopowah773 Жыл бұрын
Another great video from the master! Thank you Alex. I was really happy to see you mention getting a staking set, but that's one item that's really been causing me some confusion. When it comes to buying a staking set, are full sets required? It seems like virtually all of the sets on eBay are missing pieces, but I'm not sure if that's ok to get me started, or if I should just wait until a complete set pops up?
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
Ideally it would be better to have a full set. I actually have videos planned on the use of staking sets Along with all the different things that you can use them for. If you’re patient you’ll find a good deal on a full set
@awdturbopowah773
@awdturbopowah773 Жыл бұрын
@@watchrepairtutorials Thank you, I’ll try and remain patient and search for full sets then. Just curious, why do I never see new staking sets? There’s small Chinese sets on eBay with only a few stakes, but are new full sets just not made anymore? Seems crazy.
@johnfrum2024
@johnfrum2024 Жыл бұрын
They are still made. You can buy brand new full sets for 560 USD (Bergeon Swiss made) and up or cheaper 350 USD (India made) sets from places like CousinsUK.
@awdturbopowah773
@awdturbopowah773 Жыл бұрын
@@johnfrum2024 Oh cool, thank you! I wonder if this value set from Cousins would be ok for a while. I'm sure a vintage set will be better quality though, if I can find a complete one for a reasonable price.
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
@@awdturbopowah773 they are available special order but pricey
@VWatchie
@VWatchie Жыл бұрын
"Usually what I do is I will put the balance wheel in and let it run while I work on the dial side of the movement. Then I’ll come back, lubricate the pallet fork and then install the balance wheel back in and then lubricate the end stones and that’s really all there is to it". Hi! I'm having difficulties following along here... Can you elaborate on "lubricate the pallet fork"? Do you mean that you lubricate the jewel bearings or some other section of the pallet fork? Wouldn't it be easier to lubricate the pallet stones before installing the balance so that the balance doesn't get in the way? I'm afraid what you said really confused me, but maybe it's just me. Anyway, thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge.
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
I’m sorry my friend, sometimes when I explain that the subtle details are are known. When I said lubricating the pallet fork I am referring to only the pallet stone lubrication, not the pivots of the pallet fork which we almost never would lubricant. There are 2 reasons to do it like I described. When using Epilame or FixODrop, you now need to remove the coating from the edge of the escape wheel teeth and the contact area of the pallet jewel where the escape wheel tooth slides across. Remember that the purpose of the epilame treatment is to repel lubrication. By allowing the EW and Pallet fork to run the friction between the two will rub of the epilame on the contact areas where the lubricant will be placed. If you treated the escape wheel and pallet fork with epilame and just applied the 9415 to the pallet fork, put it in the movement the lubrication would be repealed from the very area you want it to be. The second reason is that the lubrication must me applied in stages. If you just put a blob of grease on the pallet stone you will have grease all over the top and bottom of the escape wheel tooth and not on the edge where you want it. Apply a small drop, advance the wheel 4 or 5 teeth, another small drop and repeat until all the teeth have been touched. Then you can even out the lubrication by manually advancing the pallet fork about 60 times and check your work on the entry stone. I explain the process in the balance lubrication video.
@tropicalspeed22
@tropicalspeed22 Жыл бұрын
Very informative as usual. Here is my way of skinning that cat: I use a fine artist's brush and apply the Epilame to the pallet stones and to the teeth of the escape wheel. Then I dry the two components, install and run them for awhile to remove the coating from the surfaces to be lubricated. Finally, I remove the two components and give them a good blowing-off with the bulb and reinstall them for lubricating. Do you see any problem with my procedure? Thanks.
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
No problem as long as you are getting enough epilame on. Why not submerge the entire escape wheel ?
@tropicalspeed22
@tropicalspeed22 Жыл бұрын
How much Epilame is enough then? I your video, you submerge the escape wheel I believe for 1 minute but you only dipped the pallet fork stones and went immediately to the dryer. So now, I'm confused.
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
@@tropicalspeed22 nothing to be confused about. I can’t see how much you put on the jewels. When I do it, the jewel is put in a drop of epilame. If you’re just running a brush across it real quick that may not be enough.
@littleviking488
@littleviking488 Жыл бұрын
I'm a beginner, so these are "academic" questions only: I see in the ETA technical sheets that epilame is also indicated for specific components other than in the escapement (main plates, bridges, etc) for cleaned "old" parts (I guess new parts come treated). Also I recall an instruction NOT to use epilame if the parts are hand cleaned rather than machine cleaned-to your point about gluing uncleaned crud in place. As a professional, do you sometimes use Epilame more extensively? How would you remove it from the jewels that require lubrication (pegwood)?
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
Little Viking, The point I was making in the video was just to get all the basic skill down first before moving on to a task that is really o my intended to increase the service life of the movement. Remember that factory’s apply surface treatment is a whole different way and often use it on parts that would never be treated in a shop. Yes there are other specific area where epilame is useful. Specifically the end of the 4rth wheel pivot where the hand attaches and some chrono parts. As far as the escape wheel and pallet stones, the removal of the coating happens when you run the movement prior to lubricating the pallet stones. I usually let it run for 10 minutes or while I’m installing the dial side of the movement. This removes the epilame from the edge of the EW tooth and removes a stripe on the impulse face of the pallet stone so the 9415 stays on these 2 surfaces
@littleviking488
@littleviking488 Жыл бұрын
@@watchrepairtutorials Hi Alex. yes the message in the video was absolutely "on-point" -I have lots of things to learn and more critical tools/skills to acquire before spending money on epilame treatments. Since it is for my own satisfaction , customer expectations that a professional has to address and the increased service interval really isn't a issue. From your response I'm thinking that the ETA recommendations are for very specific service centers -ie: most watchmakers wouldn't have the equipment to do as an extensive "recoating" as might be implied from the service documents. Thanks for the excellent response. Dave
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
@@littleviking488 right and remember that service center are just typically replacing parts that already come treated.
@littleviking488
@littleviking488 Жыл бұрын
@@watchrepairtutorials 👍
@d3xmeister
@d3xmeister Жыл бұрын
Nice modded SKX !
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
That was actually the 7002-7000 modded. Thanks for noticing.
@k-ozdragon
@k-ozdragon 4 ай бұрын
So I know that typically the pallet jewels and also the escapement are coated in oil. So when coating both of these parts with the Epilame, is the idea that the areas where the two make contact will wear away the Epilame, which allows those sections to retain oil, while the rest of the part not in friction contact will be coated so that the oil doesn't migrate onto them? Secondly, if this is true, then it seems like the Epilame isn't very resistant to wear. How long does it usually take for these parts to wear away the coating? Should they be oiled immediately, or should there be a waiting period for the oil-phobic material to wear off?
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials 4 ай бұрын
OK so let's be clear with the language just in case someone else reads this. The palette jewels that you refer to are actually the pallet stones thank you get lubrication not the pallet jewels for the pivots of the pallet fork. And just for clarity nothing in a watch movement is coated in oil especially in the escapement. The parts you're referring to that do get Epilame treatment are they escape wheel and pallet stones. By allowing the movement to run for good 5 or 10 minutes the contact between the escape wheel teeth and the pallet stones will wear away the Epilame on the edge of the teeth and a line across the impulse face of the pallet stone. Epilame is NOT resistant to wear. That’s not its purpose. Its purpose is to help keep a lubricant from spreading out from where you add. it. But understand the point of this video is that Epilame it's not a substitute for over lubrication or faulty lubrication technique. . It will only do its job when they are correct amount of lubrication is used. Does that make sense.
@k-ozdragon
@k-ozdragon 4 ай бұрын
@@watchrepairtutorials That makes sense. I just wasn't sure how wear resistant it would be, as you had mentioned that applying it incorrectly could cause a powder residue to form with the movement. It seems like that might take time to do. It's interesting that the epilame is so oil phobic that it can hold the oil in such a fine area. That's pretty cool. Of course, when I say "coat with oil" I don't mean applying it liberally everywhere, but oil does coat things, as a small amount will evenly distribute itself upon surfaces. It also likes to migrate everywhere, which is of course why this stuff exists. It's amazing how far oil will travel inside of something. Thanks for the correction on the stones vs the jewels. That makes sense. The jewels are the bearing surfaces of the spindles, while the stones are the faces of the pallet fork. Are they included in the overall jewel count though? This is pretty cool stuff. With such fine tuning required in a watch, oil moving around is clearly a detriment to function. I know that Enicar had also used some method on their bearing surfaces to keep oil evenly spread across them. It sounded very interesting, & likely a process that came too late in the watchmaking world to be widely adopted.
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials 4 ай бұрын
@@k-ozdragon This is why only the pallet stones are treated with Epilame. If the pallet fork is treated the constint banging as the impulse jewel going through the fork will create this powdery substance in the fork slot that will interrupt the power transfer. Oil will definitely move if you over lubricate. Most issues when you open a movement and see oil all over the place is caused by over lubrication. Yes all, jewels are included in the jewel count
@JR-vs4fy
@JR-vs4fy Жыл бұрын
Drugstore-get Diethylether 100 ml ( €10)add Stearine acid (Amazon ) 0,7 gr it dissolve's immediately and you got Epilane ( brother studiet chemistry) and you'll have a lifetime of the stuff
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
That’s very interesting. You your brother is a chemistry student ? I wonder if there is anything else different?
@JR-vs4fy
@JR-vs4fy Жыл бұрын
@@watchrepairtutorials the other addetives are stabelizers andso Nothing that a good shake before use replaces, 0,7 gr is optimal, tried in steps to 1,0 gr but that makes the film to dense (as if you used a bar of soap) Best use the bottle the aether came in, the cheap epilaam bottle from Ali blows the gasket
@amandagelien9612
@amandagelien9612 Жыл бұрын
AWIC Trains coating entire pallet fork? I clean well and has 941 on pallet jewels and no epitlame! I have corrected too many corroded excapements done by professional watch makers🤪
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
I am assuming you mean AWCI and no they don’t teach treating the entire pallet fork. There is too much data on the damage to the fork slot. I agree with you that just because of the properties of 941 and 9415, if the application is good, it’s not going anywhere.
@billyg736
@billyg736 Жыл бұрын
beyond my budget but thanks Alex.
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
That is kinda the point Billy. Since 9415 is designed to stay in place, Epilame is really only needed as insurance.
@eded8045
@eded8045 Жыл бұрын
Im a sceptic that say Rolex use this and industry wants to extend the service lifetime
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
I don’t think there’s any doubt that epilame does extend service life. And I also believe that the Swiss industry as a whole does wine to develop watches that run longer between services. that was the whole purpose of the development by Daniels of the coaxial escapement. With that said, there’s no doubt that the watching the tree is home would like to control all the service work that’s done by making the watch is more complicated to work on without specialized training, as well as the lock down of available parts to an authorized watchmakers. It’s a very similar situation to the way cars are being manufactured today. The days of the shade tree mechanic are over.
@eded8045
@eded8045 Жыл бұрын
why i started my own service repair because of Rolex attitude to replace parts what ever they feel like and NOT give you the old parts and charge you like a rich fool. You should see what Hublot main dealer London did to a watch of mine. Another story.
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
Oh, the joys of dealing with Rolex.😀
@tommusikauswahl1066
@tommusikauswahl1066 Жыл бұрын
The more i learn from you about watchmaking, the more i realize what i still dont know.
@watchrepairtutorials
@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын
I’m going to fill you in on a little secret. I’m still learning. I am constantly reading and learning from other people.
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