Justin is easily the best moderator I've ever seen.

Yes, especially considering that he is very much on the Old Earth side of the debate. He doesn't show it.

@@hansweichselbaum2534 Actually I thought his bias was quite apparent in the questions he asked.

@@martinploughboy988 He simply asked Ken to respond to the Old Earth arguments. He didn't get much of a response, though, except for the repeated "we must believe in the Bible".

@@hansweichselbaum2534 The old Earth arguments are really nothing more than speculation, and I think he did answer them.

You can trust God’s Word, but nothing in there says the Bible is young

I was like this in high school. I grew out of it. Going through college, I gradually became more literate in sciences and more secular. Now, I consider myself a natural spiritual person. I think the universe is amazing as sciences describe it. No need for the guy up there. :)

​@@Solideogloria00 I have to ask what makes you think anything in the Bible says it's millions of years old? That's pretty easy to shake that thought today. Dinosaur soft tissue honestly smacks millions of years put of the picture. It destroys evolution the dating methods and a whole lot of scientific religious beliefs. There is no possible mechanism that allows any of the soft tissue to be around millions of years. They have actually found blood cells nerve fiber tendons collagen and Many other proteins that have absolutely no way to remain even a million years. Iron preservation is the best lie they have come up with to try to keep it. Nothing they have found could last 65 plus million years. They said fossils develope slowly over long time yet we know that's false. It just like when a creature dies today its broken down in no time. Also there is absolutely no mechanism that allows the creation of whole genes and new different dna in any creature. NONE. Fruit flys have been tinkered with for a long time. They were able to do a lot of crazy things 4 wings legs on it head curled wing, everything you can rearrange but not once did they ever get anything but a fruit fly and mostly just dead fruit flys. Even the latest DNA bar code study goes back a very short time to a bottle neck and what was stated, what seemed hauntingly familiar to creation as all life seems to have popped up around the same time fully formed. No where in the Bible does there ever not say it's a 24 hour day. It makes it very clear morning noon night 24 hours. I think even Jesus said something about 24 hour days in the new testament. Need I go on?

All I can tell you is look a/ all the evidence on both sides. Listen to the arguments. Don't look to verify the Bible don't look to prove or disprove evolution. It won't take you long to see evolution has nothing in it that works. Most of the time you'll figure out they make up evidence assume facts that are not there all according to their evolutioninary theory. It doesn't work and always breaks down. The age of the earth isn't in millions of years. Dinosaur soft tissue ruins that. Best of luck to you

You can trust God's Word 100%. We must however be humble and be ready to recognise the difference between what God's word says and our interpretation of God's word. For centuries Christians believed that the earth was stationary and the sun moved around the earth, Then actual evidence taught people that they were misinterpreting the bible and the evidence from God's nature is true. God's nature is his first revelation. This is also God's word. It is an expression of God. Therefore when we interpret nature and the bible correctly, they will say the same thing. The bible does teach us things that science cannot: about WHY we have life, the purpose of life. We should not stand in people's way and argue over smaller issues about how nature works when there is a more important issue of respecting God. Just say to people " I thin tis or that" But there are other Christians who think that.... This gives people the freedom they have to explore nature and science and also explore God

Yes. Frustrating. Ken has had years to learn how to win debates. We need more scientists with a bit if strategy

@ArmanAditya Basu you say accept evolution as if it's established fact, which it's not. Maybe I'm not understanding you correctly.

@ArmanAditya Basu yes, but not from one kind to another. Like a cat to a dog. It hasn't happened.

@ArmanAditya Basu no there actually isn't

@ArmanAditya Basu there are no observable instances of a species evolving into another species. There are changes within a species, but no changes from one species to another, just speculation. Speculation is not fact. That's why it's called a theory.

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I don't think you can fit the debaters into an electronic comment section

The Bible was written for every human.

@@HM-vj5ll And what is your expert opinion?

Haha I agree this is an awesome surprise and I'm really enjoying it!

@@StandingForTruthMinistries Amen to that!

@@ModernDayDebate Would love to hear Jeff ask, "well, many well meaning Christians make a good case that scripture points to a flat earth, should we try to fit science into that debate?" anyway, love your channel.. have heard at least 50+ debates there. You're the best moderator..

tex959 well any Bible believer should not believe a flat earth but yes this was a well thought debate

@@tex959 Evolutionists often falsely accuse creationists of believing in a flat Earth. But neither history nor modern scholarship supports the claim that Christians ever widely believed that the Earth was flat. And the Bible doesn’t teach it. In fact, the Flat Earth Society is an active organization currently led by a Virginian man named Daniel Shenton. Though Shenton believes in evolution and global warming, he and his hundreds, if not thousands, of followers worldwide also believe that the Earth is a disc that you can fall off of.

>> "I don't know the answer, but I know that we do live on earth." Ewan I love your answer! Good one!

True

Some of us.....

From my own experience, there seems to be curvature. I think it is a globe in space. Isa 40 : 22; Job 26 :7.

@@ewankerr3011 Never says "globe" or "sphere." "Circle" or "disk" at best!

Lol

@BradClaps I agree

Everyone takes it seriously. There is ambiguity to the meaning of the world Yom, Christians have always debated that. If we look at creation, we see consistent and separate lines of evidence for a universe that is billions of years old. The debate is about to what extent our observations of patterns in creation should inform our interpretation of Genesis. The bible also uses language like 'the circle of the earth', or the 'four corners of the earth'. Does Ken 'take God at his word' on those parts too? Surely God could have said sphere instead of circle. And how does a sphere have corners? We all allow our observations of the world to inform our interpretation of where the bible is making a poetic description vs a scientific description. Both interpretations hit the same important notes - God created the world - they just disagree on how.

When did Lucifer fall? Did he sin before Adam?

@@nichetcher1 Yes, Read Exekiel 28:11-18 and also revelation for the war in heaven and the angels being cast out. Then read John 8:44 New International Version (NIV) 44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

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But it doesn't fit the evidence in the real world

Ham is a delusional moron

A question: does being able to "win" a debate while being wrong indicate strength or weakness?

@@quadmasterXLII I take it that you agree with Jeff more...

​@@macy12347 One philosophical question: Consider that before creating the earth, God thought out every detail of the life of a dinosaur. He imagined every detail of its personal story, such as where it walked, what it ate, how it gave birth, and how it died, and then buried the signs of each of those activities in the earth on the 1st day. Is that dinosaur's life in God's mind so different from our life in God's creation?

I respect the consistency of Ken's argument, and he is a very strong debater, rooted in that consistency.

@@quadmasterXLII by including death before the fall is the issue with this point. The order of events is critical and his point of having the consequences of an action being before the action took place is never seen in scripture.

Ken is a danger to the public he literally makes up science to fit what he interprets the Bible to be people like that are dangerous and they will destroy the world

And a true liar concerning science

Reliable? 😂

@@travisbicklepopsicle I didn't hear a scientific lie from Ken.... what science fact did he lie about, with the time stamp so I can check it

@@paulwood6636 sure, when I get some time later today or tomorrow I'll list some of his lies concerning science. As far as time stamps go, I wasn't only referring to this particular video, I meant pretty much every time he talks about science. Also, saying the Earth is 'young' is a lie right there, so basically this entire video is anti-science. Please also keep in mind that he runs Answers in Genesis, and they have a statement of faith on their website which reads, and I'm paraphrasing here, 'if any data or evidence from any field of science contradicts scripture in any way, then it is false', period. That right there is an admission that AIG misrepresents science.

@el old earth

@el Yeah he's a pretty hardcore old earther. He makes some interesting points.

Craig is too busy discussing with brilliant minds such as Sir Roger Penrose to waste time on an ignorant fanatic like Ham.

Ham's position is more solid than Lane-Craig's, as it is truly biblical. It would be an interesting discussion. They would probably talk past each other a lot, but their philosophical presuppositions might well be revealed.

@@michaelviljoen2161 Craig would disagree with that assertion. He sees the old Earth view as being just as biblically solid.

To be clear, its not as simple as learning another language, as if we are certain of the meanings and have contwmporary speakers. Language changes over time. "Gay" now has an entirely different meaning than it used to. More pointedly, I believe Beowulf was written in old english and its entirely incomprehensible to a modern english speaker without translation. Even if we could be certain of the meaning, that still doesnt answer the question of the level of literal exactness on the part of the author. WLC notes that there are several factors which seem to indicate that this was not intended to be understood purely literally, (and thats not entirely dependent on whether its poetry or prose)

@milo_thatch_incarnate, The other person you should listen to is Kent Hovind, Mr. Dino. Another great Bible scholar and debater.

The earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?

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@@wagnerbertolino2 lol

Did you hear anything from the discussion?

That’s your takeaway????? How cute.

Why ? Is your philosophical views false?

"My beliefs are in conflict with reality therefore I am more right" Wowa... Well that settles it religion is a poison. Evolution is the most tested scientific theory and has not been falsified, if you want to make up your own untested nonsense go for it, but you are going to be wrong.

@@AvNotasian Whoa. Not been falsified? What rock have you crawled under? Where does the initial biological information come from? Nobody knows, not even close. If you do, it's time to let the world know. How can organisms survive macro mutations in the early stages of development--where they need to take place to affect body plans. Well, nobody knows. How do neo Darwinian mechanisms overcome genetic entropy? Again, nobody knows. Get out from underneath your rock. Of course, someday somewhere someone may come up with those answers, but no one is anywhere close to having them. In the meantime, the only plausible answers come from ID. Adherence to evolution is because of philosophy, not because of evidence. Let's see--Try these sources if you want to step into the light--Biological Information, Various, published by World Scientific, or the Synopsis and Limited Commentary of the same available free on line. Genetic Entropy, J. C. Stanford is another good resource. Try Doug Axe. Also, try Darwin Devolves, Michael Behe, and on line, listen to Dr. James Tour. That one is devastating, from the smartest man in the room. Or of course, you could just wave your hand, and these will all go away and you can keep repeating your mantra--"Evolution is the most tested scientific . . . . . )

@@cewoldt The beginning of life is not part of evolution, like I said you are wrong. I have absolutely no idea what you think you are talking about, evolution is a very gradual process undergone by populations not individuals. Genetic entropy is not a thing... ID has actually been proven false in a court of law. O I see you are referring to a book of lies by a documented liar. You will note this book is not peer reviewed and as such is in the same category as harry potter or books on how the earth is flat. Consider fruit flies, they can have hundreds of generations in a year and a similar mutation rate to humans, so why haven't they degraded into nothing? The answer comes from Sexual Recombination and the Power of Natural Selection Science 19 October 2001: Vol. 294 no. 5542 pp. 555-559 That paper is important as it demonstrates via experimentation that recombination hastens both the extinction of detrimental mutations and the fixation of beneficial ones. So literal experimental evidence showing the man on the couch writing about impossibilities wrong. Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District Conclusions of the court case After a searching review of the record and applicable caselaw, we find that while ID arguments may be true, a proposition on which the Court takes no position, ID is not science. We find that ID fails on three different levels, any one of which is sufficient to preclude a determination that ID is science. They are: (1) ID violates the centuries-old ground rules of science by invoking and permitting supernatural causation; (2) the argument of irreducible complexity, central to ID, employs the same flawed and illogical contrived dualism that doomed creation science in the 1980s; and (3) ID's negative attacks on evolution have been refuted by the scientific community. ... It is additionally important to note that ID has failed to gain acceptance in the scientific community, it has not generated peer-reviewed publications, nor has it been the subject of testing and research. Expert testimony reveals that since the scientific revolution of the 16th and 17th centuries, science has been limited to the search for natural causes to explain natural phenomena. (page 64) [for "contrived dualism", see false dilemma.] The evidence at trial demonstrates that ID is nothing less than the progeny of creationism. A significant aspect of the IDM [intelligent design movement] is that despite Defendants' protestations to the contrary, it describes ID as a religious argument. In that vein, the writings of leading ID proponents reveal that the designer postulated by their argument is the God of Christianity. ID's backers have sought to avoid the scientific scrutiny which we have now determined that it cannot withstand by advocating that the controversy, but not ID itself, should be taught in science class. This tactic is at best disingenuous, and at worst a canard. The goal of the IDM is not to encourage critical thought, but to foment a revolution which would supplant evolutionary theory with ID. But considering there are over 100 pages where ID is ripped apart from this court case you will understand if I don't paste it all here. But I note your appeal to authority fallacies, how cute. It doesn't make a difference how smart you are or what your name is, if your theory disagrees with experiment its wrong, and what these charlatans are proposing flies in the face of over 100 years of accumulated scientific evidence.

@@AvNotasian ​ NotAsian== I guess I coulda written this myself. Evolutionists replay the same arguments over and over. The first "get out of jail free card" that evolutionists are likely to play is the "The beginning of life is not a part of evolution" card. But now that we are emerging out of ignorance, we now know that information is an important part of life, perhaps the most important component. Evolution can't even begin without biological information. But materialistic evolutionists like to wave their hands like magicians and poof, there is information and evolution is on its way. Second “Get out of jail free” card. You all like to refer to a court case--yeah, a court case--where even prominent evolutionists agree that one of their "expert witnesses" lied when they said that ID isn't science. Yeah, once a judge has ruled, you can point to that forever to "prove" that ID isn't science. Next GOOJF card: If it’s not materialism, it isn’t science. Basically, the judge defined science as materialism--only materialistic causes can be appealed to. Anything else is religion. But in so saying, he belies that this is not a discussion of evidence, but of philosophy. Science is forever tethered to philosophical naturalism. No intelligence need apply. Naturalism can't explain the origin of biological information. ID can. But naturalistic scientists will forever be foundering around looking for a naturalistic explanation, because intelligence is--"religion"--and regardless of the evidence, can't be used as an explanation. On to other tactics: Attack the person, and by all means avoid addressing their argument. You call an author a "documented liar." I have no idea which author your are referring to, but why don't you interact with the ideas rather than name calling. Again, by hand waving, the concept of genetic entropy is dismissed. But what about the concept fails to pass muster? Have you read the books or articles or watched the videos. I have, and they make a great deal of sense. But if you can wave your hands, you don't need to interact with ideas. If you could tell me, and all of us, where the author is wrong, that would be helpful and educational. But for now with the name calling, all we are getting is more heat and no light. Next tactic can be called, “debate an evolutionist.” Wherever the non-evolutionist enters the argument, the person in the debate doesn’t hold “that view” of evolution. So they can label their opponent ignorant, biased, unscientific, ad naseum because the opponent is not addressing their particular view. In this case, you don’t need to address the problem of the accumulation of small mutations that are effectively invisible to natural selection and may not affect reproductive success but weaken the genome as they accumulate. You just call those who note the problem “liars” and “ignorant.” "Evolution is about populations, not individuals." Wow, so are you saying that within the population, all the genetic variety for new species already exists? Natural selection just sorts through them based on what gives the advantage in a particular environment? That is what creationists believe! No mutations are needed for new body plans to arise? All the genetic information already exists? Whoa!! As I understand evolutionary theory, a mutation starts in an individual and then moves into populations because the mutation gives the individual a reproductive advantage. But maybe not in your particular evolutionary community. So whenever your views are challenged, just go to the Kitzmiller v Dover case and the 139 page ruling (or book), and then you will feel better. The judge defined science as naturalism only, closing the door (in his view) to alternate explanations.

A question was asked on the forum, although I can't easily find it as to whether Ken was addressing the science of origins. My answer is that no, this was not a discussion of the science of origins, but about the biblical narrative. Ken discusses the science in other books and articles.

That's because Ham doesn't have a leg to stand on in the science so he sucks it into theology and attacks his interlocutors integrity in that area. Any evidence against his position he hand waves away as not compatible with scripture.

Thanks for saving me the time. Must be like a court trial without bringing up any evidence lmao, and I remember trying to get thru the Bill Nye debate, clear that he had to hold back and Ham was reaching for relevance for it to be remotely close (still think tho strict Atheists have nearly as much faith as people who 'know' a god they never met but only 'felt' can exist, agnosticism is the most rational way, but getting ahead of myself lol, the earth is definitely ancient af and I don't even live near any mountains or canyon's, still clear as day in evolution thru looking at modern life and other clues in nature)

@@Dman9fp Praying for you ;)

@@misternewman1576 if that helps your subconscious mind, so be it I know what's true and what's not xD

Amen.

No, he's not.

Why because he's not giving an inch to compromising? Just because one is firm, doesnt mean they are not interacting. He certainly is interacting he answered the questions and responded to the statements.

Daniel Mann you can interact with people’s arguments while being firm in your position. He results to ad hominem and mere shallow fundamentalism rather than convincing arguments. I’m theologically conservative but I don’t have time for people who refuse to interact by saying they’re the one following the Bible and accusing the other of not being sincere or faithful... cheap.

@@scuzlol - I am so sick of people on comment sections that accuse others of ad hominem fallacies. it's like the only fallacy they have heard of. Please give the quote from the video that you think is a ad hominem?

@@scuzlol - shallow fundamentalism? That says more about you than the arguments. What does that even mean. So subjective. I don't like his arguments so it's shallow fundamentaliam. That what sounds like . Poisoning the well.

"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the DAY that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens.! (Gen 2 :4 )

@@ewankerr3011 So there was death, sickness before the fall? Was there a global flood? Wasn't the week established at creation (as also referenced by the 4th commandment)?

@@MarcusOfLycia I am not a Hebrew scholar, but the word "day" in Genesis 2:4 is in a special construction there. Different translations therefore do translate with "when" or "at the time". In Genesis 1, no Bible translation I know does translate with "time" or "age", etc. NIV: This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, *when* the LORD God made the earth and the heavens. Also in this 2 (good) German bibles it says "when" or "at the time": Luther2017 4 Dies ist die Geschichte von Himmel und Erde, da sie geschaffen wurden. Es war *zu der Zeit*, da Gott der HERR Erde und Himmel machte. Schlachter2000 4 Dies ist die Geschichte des Himmels und der Erde, als sie geschaffen wurden, *zu der Zeit*, als Gott der HERR Erde und Himmel machte.

@@MarcusOfLycia But the question with death, sickness and suffering is much more important, it directly addresses the character of God. By the way, every time this question came up in the debate, Jeff couldn't give an answer...

Are you asking me or just repeating a creationist mantra? Since the flood and the law are post creation events by thousands of years according to biblical chronology, I'm not sure they can be used definitively either way in the argument. There is also a case for saying that we are still in the day of rest. If that is so, it must be a very long time. I am fully aware of the nature of the debate and some of the arguments used by the various parties. As always, it may not be as simple as they believe. Is Genesis 1:1 a heading, a summary statement or something else. Regardless, if God had recorded the science behind the creation, would the biblical writer have understood? Indeed, how big would verse 1 be? Probably bigger than the entire Bible. So let's get real. No matter how Christians view chapter one, all must agree that it is a summary without the detailed science.

Thank-you. Well articulated.

A LOT OF WORDS SAYING NOTHING TO CONFIRM THIS YOUNG EARTH NONSENSE !

You don't believe a word of that & I can *100%* prove that!

@@pup1008 Such sapient acumen renders me sans rejoinder other than "No contendo!"

@@jeffb1106 OK... Thanks for at least admitting that.

I was in secular college, in the 'divinity', and within the introduction to Old Testament, Liberal theology raised its ugly head. I hear the same taint of Liberal thinking in Zweerink replies. He races to secular viewpoints as you correctly say and does not answer Ken at all.

There was the 1) religious tenant that everything in space revolved around the earth 2) the earth was the center of the universe 3) the most gifted scientists like newton, copernicus, Galileo and others all held back there awareness that the planets had many of their own moons revolving around not earth but the other planets. Today the vatican astronomers have agreed with the earth revolving around the sun which revolves around the milky way. The observable universe stretches with the expansion of space and the observable universe is now about 92 billion light years across. These figures come from anilizing the red shift of most all the stars and galaxies in the universe. This expansion could not occur in a short period of time as promoted by a short creation period. The events described in genesis are in error as the events are somewhat backward. Light cant appear before the sun was created. The sun is where we get 99% of all light. The first galaxies we're not formed after the earth. The earth was created billions of years after most of the galaxies were created. Listen to renoun astronomers and their comparison of biblical creation vs modern cosmology.

@@mikelevitz1266 - "In the first period, the universe grew from an almost infinitely small point to nearly an octillion (that's a 1 followed by 27 zeros) times that in size in less than a trillionth of a second." "... nearly an octillion (that's a 1 followed by 27 zeros) *_times that in size_* ..." "... less than a trillionth of a second." That's called cosmic inflation. It's an idea that is part of the standard cosmological model. Your notion that the universe cannot grow by unimaginable amounts in an unimaginably short period of time is not what the secular cosmologists are teaching. The conclusions you reach with your common sense are incorrect. I see "cosmic inflation" as day four of creation week. I think it's a pretty good fit. You should listen to renowned cosmologists like Alexei Starobinsky, Alan Guth, and Andrei Linde. Keep in mind that the Earth was created 3 days before the rest of the cosmos was created and cosmic inflation occurred. The God that can create the entire universe can shield one small planet from the dangerous effects of cosmic inflation. It's not hard for Him. When I flip a switch on the wall, I get light that doesn't come from the Sun. C'mon, dude! You can do better than that. Can you tell me what caused the universe to come into existence? ---------------------------------------------- When a play is being presented on a stage and there is a forest scene, does the stage manager grow all the trees? How do the trees for the scene get on the stage? When a movie is being filmed in a forest, do the movie people plant the forest and wait for it to grow before making the movie? This is all a drama being put on by God. He prepared the stage and then put the actors in place. You are one of the actors. Smile for the camera 😁

@@mikelevitz1266 - **tenet**

Very well said. It really is that simple. It’s sad to see so many Christians compromising on this to appear less “crazy” to the world. When you believe God came to earth in human flesh, died & rose again - believe me, they already think you’re “crazy”

It's impossible. If the starlight billions of light years away was only 6,000 years old you wouldn't be able to see it because it wouldn't have had enough time to reach us yet. The earth cannot be only 6,000 years old. Isotopes with half-lives in excess of billions of years can't exist in an environment that is only thousands of years old.

Aaron Kellett When the heaven and the earth were created they were “complete.” When Adam And Eve were created they were adults not infants. When the plants were created they were “complete.” Adam & Eve did not need to wait for the vegetation to mature before they could eat, therefore, it was all created mature. The animals were created mature. All of creation was created mature/“complete.” Even isotopes were created mature. This includes the heaven (space, planets, stars, & galaxies.) God “stretched out the heaven.” This is a logical explanation if “God created the heaven and the earth.” From my point of view, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.” From your point of view, in the beginning nothing created everything, which by the way is a scientific impossibility and is also NOT science since you cannot study it, test it, demonstrate it, or observe it. What you believe in my friend is as much a religion as Christianity since you have to have “faith” to believe either. I believe it’s far more logical that God created everything in a fine-tuned way vs. nothing created everything in a fine-tuned way. But once again, both positions take faith to believe since neither is testable or observable. I hope your eyes are opened to what is true vs. what is not true. May God bless you.

It's impossible. If the stars were visible to Adam and Eve 6,000 years ago but are now billions of light years away then they have receded at many times the speed of light, disappeared outside our cosmic horizon, been red shifted into oblivion and become invisible. You wouldn't be able to see distant starlight billions of light years away if it was only 6,000 years old. If everything has been created 6,000 years ago (even with the appearance of being old) then the furthest starlight would only be 6,000 light years away. The reason why it looks old is because it is.

@@chimpanzeethat3802 The earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?

LeeTubular You still need faith to believe in your theory. Amazing how many nonbelievers misinterpret scripture. I’d be happy to clarify any curious or skeptical questions you have. I didn’t believe that book for 40 years , especially the Genesis. Don’t close your mind to it until you’ve had it explained by someone who is qualified to explain it.

LeeTubular Qualified enough to realize I was blind to the saving faith of Jesus, and now I see . A non believer will not comprehend until they realize that they need a Savior. Good luck Lee

The earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?

Ken published creation science magazine here in Australia many decades ago. it was a monthly magazine and even for an atheist there were many things in it that raise questions he interviewed artists recreating hominids and the artists did indeed admit to making them look more like they would be transitional, one of the more interesting ones was stalactites, he published pictures of man hole covers with six foot long stalactites, and even more interestingly a beer bottle covered in a stalagmite, which given the accepted age of growth of them would be aged at tens of thousands of years old but it was a pickaxe bottle from the west end brewery, so a decade or so old.

Trouble is Ken has not studied physics where Jeff has. So Ken is happy to ignore the evidence from physics, where Jeff has the guts to wrestle with it

@N/A you have made a good point Ken published pictures of a 6 foot long stalactite in queensland Australia that was on a manhole cover. several issues with that are high mineral concentrations combined with high rainfall produced them. even if they found dinosaurs in the congo that doesnt prove god it proved those particular species survived somewhere, like the coelacanth has.

@@ProfYaffle Actually, Ken studied and taught physics/science for years.

Ken has no formation on Hebrew. Ken is reading his modern western scientific worldview, culture and language back into the Bible (Hebrew, Ancient Near East).

Neither will athiests concede

What a disgusting comment, and disgusting that 5 people liked it. Ken has debated and defended the world wide flood and a 6000 year old earth for decades. Many of these years were well before the Ark theme park. To impugn such perverse motives on him completely contrary to the evidence is immoral. To call someone narrow minded simply because they believe and state the truth is an attack on truth. You might not believe in YEC, but Ken is absolutely right in stating that this is what the Bible clearly teaches.

@@russellholmes8742 what is disgusting is how Ken Ham accuses Christian scientists like Hugh Ross, who believe in an old earth and a local flood, as being deceivers and heretics. The belief in an old earth, or a young earth, is not a matter of salvation, but Ken demonizes those who disagree with him as if it is a matter of salvation. He is truly evil and disgusting. How dare you!! I call them as I see them, you sound like you belong to Ham's cult.

@@russellholmes8742 Ham is disgusting.

You're being *ironic* right?

Blind leading the blind

Literal interpretation of a copy of a copy of a copy of a translation of an oral myth written in a now dead language versus all of the combined knowledge of every discipline we study. This shouldn’t still be a debate in this century.

Agreed I had hope for a much better from Zweerink I did not find any of his talk, convincing or logically consistent, and as you said, he refused to answer questions directly, was very evasive much like our politicians. Very disappointed in him.

The earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?

That's right if I allow what I think you mean. The z value rests on some assumptions that could negate the claims by enthusiastic astronomers. Physics work the same throughout all 'creation'. That does not mean we know for sure that the z=n value needs no asterick for distance.

Im not sure about red shift and all of that, but haven't some physicists altered the speed of light? Alerting the speed of light as in slowing it down as well as speeding it up, means it is not always constant. It would follow that God can create things in a mature manor instantaneously just as Jesus produced wine with the appearance of age (perfectly aged at that). If Christ can perform the miracle of turning water into aged wine at a small wedding, then surely He can create an entire universe with the appearance and complexity of age that reaches well beyond our finite, limited minds.

@@MCDubaree Keep telling yourself all that & you'll be able to hold onto your ridiculous warm fuzzy feeling. When do stop making excuses & trying to bang your square pegs into secular science's hard earned round holes & objectively research how *NOTHING* in the bible tallys with science. Just because your pitch, in making supernatural claims, is as wide as your imagination & your god the greatest goalpost mover known to mankind along with the all time champion at hide 'n seek doesn't mean you have a shred of *REAL* evidence!

Interesting.

@N/A the earth is young whether you like it or not... (deffo not sarcasm)

The research had been going on for about 500 years & within the last 100 years we can *CATEGORICALLY, EMPHATICALLY & PROVABLY* show the biblical account is a load of crap! There is *NO* scientific evidence of a hand of God anywhere. Ham should be locked up as should most of you!

@@pup1008 It takes a lot more faith to believe in far-fetched evolution than in a creator of everything we are a witness to and the complexity of life itself.

@@Brandon.80 That's called an "argument from incredulity." Everything Evolution states it can back up 100%! What are you talking about? Just take me up on my challenge & I will *PROVE* categorically that you don't belive the nonsense you espouse!

@@Brandon.80 Did you want to come back to me on that?

Deep Heat, Your initial reaction to Brandon's post was emotionally charged, over the top. It seemed like you feel there's a lot here to lose. Brandon seemed quite open to the unveiling of mysteries and what the science might reveal in the coming future.

yikes

@@OoSweetyman Mt thoughts exactly 🤣

Completely agree with you, he stands on God’s word and what he understand I have always understood also!! Whatever I don’t understand in the Bible I always ask God to help me understand and to make it clear and he always does! I will always stick to his word not what man Interprets or thinks! Science is always coming up with different theories and hypothesis and especially in years they’re always giving different amount of millions, billions, trillion of years, and between all of that some Christians could get lost and simply start doubting God’s word! I’ve seen how this particular assumption in earth’s years and “evolution “ has affected many Christians. I completely support Ken! Don’t please anyone except God Ken! God bless you 🙌🏻😊

Ken is a conman. Wake up.

Sherly Tobias there is no “ God’s word”, sorry

There is a lot of scientific evidence that proves that you can't count rings on a tree to get its age, doing so can get you off by a factor of two

I have a question for you. So when Jesus died and rose 3 days later was it literally 3 days or 3 thousand, million or billion years later.?

And the bible states that men will scoff at the truth. There are alot of comments in here that scoff at the truth. But that's ok. Jesus always wins. Ken is fighting for the truth. That's all.

Yeah thanks Ken ham for making it that easy for us atheists to show how misguided evangelicals are.

Because a god obviously needs a human to speak on its behalf.

He's not a Dr. Not a real one anyway because he didn't have to earn it by studying or doing any work. His faux doctorate is honorary.

The earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?

You think Ken Ham has an argument? What is wrong with you! They are both swivel eyed lunatics but at least the other guy is of the more sane & rational variety in how he smashes his square pegs into secular science's round holes!

you win the stupid comment of the week award...... or possibly the year.

@@reverendbarker650 Let snapshot of true history place in check your ignorance and arrogance: 5554 BC - Creation 3298 BC - Noah's flood (4 pairs of human beings survived) 2850 BC - Tower of Babel destroy (approx. population 12 million) 2750 BC - Egyptian Dynasty 1 founded by Menes/Narmer 2166 BC - Abraham born 2067 BC - Sodom & Gomorrah destroyed 1886 BC - Joseph made ruler of Egypt 1446 BC - Moses at 80 led ~2.5 million Jews out of Egypt & crossed Red Sea 1052 BC - Saul became 1st king of Israel 960 BC - Solomon completed building 1st Temple 776 BC - 1st Olympic Games 586 BC - 1st Temple destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar 515 BC - 2nd Temple built 333-323 BC - Alexander the Great ruled Jerusalem 221 BC - Great Wall of China built 2 BC - Jesus of Nazareth born 33 AD - Jesus Christ crucified & resurrected 70 AD - 2nd Temple destroyed by Romans led by Titus 476 AD - End of Roman Empire 927 AD - Kingdom of England founded 1206-1260 AD - Mongol Empire flourished 1371-1433 AD - Admiral Zheng He (Cheng Ho) lived 1478-1834 AD - Spanish Inquisition 1619 AD - Slavery began in America 1776 AD - U.S. Declaration of Independence 1876 AD - Telephone invented 1886 AD - 1st motor car by Karl Benz 1914-1918 AD - 1st World War

Huh? I don’t understand. Please elaborate

He doesn't deny historical science. Be careful don't bare false witness.

@@danielmann5427 I am very familiar with the YE arguments. Evidence from so-called 'historical' science is denied if it contradicts their interpretation of scripture. There are hundreds of examples from astronomy, geology, palaeontology etc. The existence of an ice age is an example where YE creationists accept evidence from 'historical' science. In other words evidence is accepted, but only if it can fit into their picture of the universe.

@@hansweichselbaum2534 - any belief system has that so called problem . There have many things that were laughed at and mocked , because Christians held to scriptures ABOVE so called archaeologist and scientists. Let every man be liar and God be true. Sooner or later science catches up and reaffirms the bible.

@@danielmann5427 Look closer and you will find that half of your "so called archaeologist and scientists" are Christians.

@@hansweichselbaum2534 - I highly doubt that. Is a deist or theist included as a Christian? We may need to ask what is a Christian? Can you back up your claim?

That's' why I never use the Bible in reasoning with atheists like you.

I am a Christian who converted to Old Earth Creationism after listening to Ken Ham. LOL. I wouldn't criticize him if I were you though. Atheists actually believe that all the complexity in life arose out of mindlessness. It's absurd that Theist Apologists have to even exist, the probability of all the order of the Cosmos and of human life without God is infinitesimally small, if not impossible. The best argument Atheists have is the Hiddness of God which when you think about it isn't much of an argument at all, nothing more than a temper tantrum, anger at God for creating the world according to his will and not their's. Ken Ham has an IQ of 1000 compared to you!!!

@@20july1944 I'm a huge fan of your work!

@@michaelsayad5085 Sa-LUTE, Michael Sayad!

This depends a lot on what you mean by "literal." People like Ken Ham and yourself tend to claim that the Bible must be either literal or metaphorical, but that is a false dichotomy. Think of the first time you saw the solar system portrayed on a poster in elementary school. Was the depiction literal? What does that even mean? The scale was most likely way off. The orbits were probably simplified. On the other hand, the solar system is literally heliocentric, and the ordering of heavenly bodies moving from the Sun outward was literally correct. Was it metaphorical then? No, the planets are real, so it clearly wasn't a metaphor. Was it inaccurate? Absolutely. Was it a lie then? Not really. Does this mean the person who authored it didn't know any better? No, not necessarily. So then, how can we categorize this poster? It was a model. A model, by definition, is not the real thing. Models are almost always simplified which means they are, by nature, inaccurate. Because the author doesn't know any better? Not necessarily. Models are almost always simplified in order to teach a particular concept to a particular audience in a way that is pedagogically appropriate. In other words, if models were not simplified so that the audience could grasp a particular concept, then a _pedagogical_ error would have been committed. A very knowledgeable author might create a very simplistic model based on the targeted audience. My view of the Bible is that it is (at least at times) neither literal nor metaphorical. I believe that it is inerrant in the sense that the Author unfailingly hits the target for which He is aiming, but I also believe that it is often inaccurate in the sense that the lessons are often models of truth that are simplified for human (even ancient human) consumption. It would be a mistake to relegate the entire Bible to a collection of metaphors because a lot of what is being said is quite literally true. On the other hand, it would also be a mistake to insist on a ultra-literal interpretation of every phrase because that's simply not the way we communicate, especially when we are trying to teach complex concepts to those who haven't even formed a basic understanding with the appropriate foundation for grasping anything complex.

Read A matter of Days by Dr.Hugh Ross and 7 days that divide the world by John Lennox, i learned so much from them.

I would caution you against 2 things. 1. Blaming someone else’s actions as your reason to lean against God’s word, as that will not stand up on judgment day. And 2. It is a very serious topic that literally causes millions to question or even disregard God’s word. Of course it’s often a topic he touches on. Also he is very respectful and makes clear boundaries. Look again. He will never concede and agree with the opposite thinking…. That’s not wrong. The other side often refuses to concede to his point… would they too be intolerant or just Ken? Double standard??

@@dsparkletear314 I feel you need to learn to embrace fellow Christians and not blame or judge them based on a particular dogmatic interpretation of the bible over matters that none of us will be judged on by Christ. Christianity and biblical authority is not undermined or challenged by divergent views on these matters. One must be able to mesh what one sees in God's natural revelation with the written revelation in order to worship God with all your mind, body, soul and spirit. Many folk who are happy to pigeon hole science and nature as a peripheral thing in their life can happily live with a literal 6 day creation which is a populist evangelical interpretation.. Folk who are professionally engaged in or think seriously about these issues must find other ways of interpreting Early Genesis and creation's message while being true to their intellect and spirit. None of us are questioning God's word. We are simply questioning specific interpretations of God's written word when they clash with what is revealed in nature just as Christians did when confronted with the idea of the earth revolving around the sun.

You’re doing the very thing you claim Mr Ham is doing: being intolerant. You said “Folk who are professionally engaged in ir think seriously about..” - so by your definition you yourself are ruling out those who differ from your opinion. And you let someone else’s “attitude” on a matter let you change your mind on something rather than the material itself. Seems childish and myopic. Whether you agree with him or not, the simple truth is that it IS an issue that people question. Who are you to say that it doesn’t undermine biblical authority? Maybe for you it doesn’t. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t for anyone else.

@@jamaicanyoute Your comment in your first 2 paragraphs are simply playing on or responding to my choice of words so I'll let them flow under the bridge. The key issue is our reverence for God's revelation, in both nature and the bible. Biblical authority and our holding this as paramount. When our exegesis of the bible is correct it will clearly be mutually supportive of God's revelation in nature, natural reality (cf postulation or theory). What I say doesn't matter. The fact that leading Christian apologists through the centuries have had different interpretations of the Genesis account and ae capable of objectively discussing them without affecting core truths like the identity of Christ, salvation, redemption and integrity of scripture, demonstrates that that, yes, there are differing interpretations on Genesis that exist without undermining biblical authority. The fact that Ken Ham and many who support his view think that it does undermine biblical authority to look at Genesis with a mindset that is something other than a 20th century literalistic expectation. Other great minds and believers over the centuries thought and think differently. They see is is more exegetically consistent to look at it through different eyes, given that the text of Genesis 1-11was written in ancient times as a collation of stories and genealogies of the past handed down from antiquity, for the purpose of setting God's people apart from the surrounding heathen beliefs. Humility is called for rather than dogmatism. This is especially so when there are huge logical and factual challenges from God's textbook of nature when interpreting God's miraculous creation as a seven 24 hour day event or interpreting Noah's flood as a global event, both of which can be deduced and defended from scripture, but both of which can be discounted from a different exegesis of scripture. When we interpret God's text on nature (scientific observation of nature) and God's text on God-man relationships (bible) both correctly, the two will of course be in harmony. Exploring this is a privilege, and the different understanding of sound Christian leaders though time demonstrate that such different interpretations can and do exist without impacting on our reverence for the authority of scripture or of the truths of core Christian beliefs: God the Creator, Christ's identity, Salvation, redemption, etc. Humility rather than dogmatism is called for on these deep issues of the past.

It isn’t millions of years old: it’s BILLIONS of years old. And guess what! You don’t have to believe it. The good thing about science is that it’s true….whether you believe it or not.

It really doesn't matter how the old the earth is. The bible nor science nor anybody knows how old the earth exactly is. We were not here when it was created. The only thing that matters is that it was created by God. You do know that until the late 1700's the calendar had 13 months in it? For thousands of years a 13 month calendar. And thousands of years other various calendars. The 12 month Gregorian calendar was only adopted in the 1790's. Just like how Christians go to church not on the Sabbath (Saturday), but the first day of the week Sunday they can and do quite often get things wrong. Just like you cannot accurately figure out time lines accurately because the "yearly" calendar has changed many times. take care

That's gonna be great

October 4th!

@@TheProdigalMeowMeowMeowReturns Is that a firm date? Great to know!

@@20july1944 That's the date given by Justin :)

That's why I came here too. LOL.

Then you're stuck with nothing.

@ghost L well it's better than nonsense

I actually have more respect for Ken than Jeff, and I'm athiest! At least Ken is consistent in his stupidly ridiculous position. Jeff looked at the science, realised that the bible was crap and still tried to hang on to the belief in a God.

Jeffery Dahmer could write a book that would be factually more correct than the bible & stand by every word but does that make him or the bible right?

@@pup1008 how so? What makes the Bible less factually correct than other books please present your reason I'm curious

@@felixostman8569 I didn't compare it to other religions, they are all equally deluded. At least the Hindu scriptures actually got the age of the Earth pretty much spot on!

Ken ham cannot now that he is presenting his bias toward Godism/creationism. He is incapable of relying on evidence. Just claims and his persuasions

Praise the lord???? Which one? Lord Voldemort? Lord Sith? Maybe an en English lord???? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

The earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?

I disagree. I was a so called old earth agnostic for almost 40 years. Taught as a secular scientist. I couldn't believe Genesis and it's claims. Multiple Creation Ministries have revealed alternative theories that actually make logical sense compared to my previous suppositions.

@@knightclan4 I don't necessarily disagree with his interpretation. My objection is to the instantiation of his own opinion as dogma.

Then there is yours. @@davidbrenneman1574

Well said in few words. Sensible Christianity. Jeff is definitely a Christian believer with a strong faith, and a God given inquiring intellect.

You either buy into the bible or science. The two are totally contradictory & incompatible!

@@pup1008 what a silly comment

@@athonyhiggins3117 Why?

@@pup1008 If God created nature and the universe, then His attributes pierces through it. That is why Jesus often look to nature to make points. Nature can teach of God because it is from God's essence. So if science is the study of God's creation, it can't be a contradiction. The problem with the scientist is their interpretation of what they find. Centuries ago Christians refuted scientist about the Sun being the center of the universe. Look how that turned out. If the scientist have facts and evidence then we must listen. ONLY if they are true facts though.

Lmao

lol

Honestly Ken was a catalyst in my deconversion. I could actually argue that young earth theory is a giant strawman argument meant to help people lose their faith.

@@interwebslinger 😁👍

And are pushing more & more Christians to agnosticism & atheism through their arcane batshittery! 👍

I agree we need more people who love God, but Ken causes many to leave the church because of his anti scientific idea.

Ken worships a book, not god.

Luckily we are going in an opposite direction because we are finally beginning to see through the bs

@@subswithnovideos-oz4zo wdym the bs?

The earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?

You believe the earth is 6500 years old & everything alive today came of a boat 4500 years ago? Did you "studies" also conveniently omit that the bible tells us the world is flat?

your lost, click your heels together and say theres no place like home

The earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?

@Dion Sanchez True, but aren't all interpretations of scripture subjective?

Huh? No he's not.

No, he's reading the words and presupposing them to be true, as well as written to be easily understood by an illiterate, largely oral population. But he also doesn't rest on that presupposition, but tests it with science as well. When other scientists disagree on "the science," he analyzes what those scientists claim as axiomatic, and has found significant flaws that actually can be reconciled with the Biblical presuppositions instead... Secularism is wrong in how they've interpreted the data to support the wild pontifications of a 19th century dolt who believed the European man to be more evolved than the African man, and that women's brains are just marginally more developed than a children's brains (inferior to men). At the bare minimum, they are treating their theories as facts, and then citing those theories to validate other conclusions. None of which is fact, but actually belies what the facts indicate. Microevolution is impossible, and even the carbon dating methods are rife with presuppositional assumptions that cannot possibly be true... to the point where they manipulate and discard data to fit their hypothesis instead of adjusting their hypothesis to fit the data.

Not really.

Ha. I love this. You talk about subjectivity, and seem to recognise it so clearly in others, but then baldly state that scripture is right. Has it ever occurred to you that scripture may not be right? In fact, has it ever crossed your mind that scripture may just be like all other religions - bogus?

I disagree. I believe Ken Ham did look at the text and ask, how should it be read? Which is why he points out that Genesis' days has evening and morning in the same sentence to be sure that we read it as 24hr literal days. Nothing in Genesis suggests that the days are metaphorical, in fact the opposite is found.

Just to put it into context... ALL mythology stories derive from what the Bible is explaining in Genesis 6. Angels (gods) procreated with women which produced the mighty men of mythology. The Bible gives you the entire picture to see how things were corrupted, not a mythology of "gods" (fallen angels) who tricked people into believing that THEY were in charge.

Jessica H Ken Ham has completely misunderstood Genesis. The genre is not history but mythology. A talking snake? God walks in the garden? The light was created before the sun? It is clearly the language of mythology. This was recognised in the 2nd century by Christians such as Origen.

Cosigner22 Mythology existed before Genesis was ever written. I find it difficult to understand how people can seriously believe that we live in a universe which is only 6000 years old! All of the evidence is against you! Genesis is clearly not history but myth.

Blind leading the Blind, its contagious not sure if you can be inoculated but it sure would be nice, zombies everywhere I look around and see nothing but worn out faces

It most certainly isn't.

Can you please read Evidence for Christianity by Josh McDowell. Answers your objections.

Matthew I have. I have read a hand full of apologetic books showing evidence for Christianity. The problem is the reliability of their sources. My other issue is making a claim first then looking to support it. That’s almost always possible. This is how people have “evidence” for a flat earth. I was born and raised fundamentally Christian. I have listened to hundreds of online debates really addressing both sides. I haven’t heard one debate where the religious source actual trumps the skeptical side. I respect your views and beliefs. I just haven’t heard any solid findings that make me certain.

That’s the idea. Fundamentalists put barriers for people to come to Christ.

@@Solideogloria00 Those who hold to the fundamentals of Christianity put up no barriers to people coming to Christ. The barriers are already there. No one becomes a Christian of their own free will, indeed, everyone is the enemy of God by nature. The Bible tells us that the Father has to draw people to the Son before they will become Christians, that those who do become Christians were chosen before the foundation of the Earth & are the gift of the Father to the Son.

What? Are you fearful of someone who takes the word of God for what it really says? Did Moses really mean it when he literally says, "In six days the Lord made heaven and earth." (Ex 20:11)? Do you think the Israelites hearing that sermon would have believed Moses to be telling the truth or veiling an understanding that really meant billions of years. Was he lying to the Israelites knowingly? Was he just not enlightened enough for God to explain to him as he was getting revelation that "Really, it is long periods of time and even though I have painted a picture of a perfect earth for you, Moses, there was death and sickness and disease in animals and hurricanes and floods and mayhem before I made Adam and Eve. And all those things are "...very good..." as I declared them. Until old earth creationists come up with a theological position that can answer that problem, they make the God of the Bible the creator of those evils. Those are the clear implications. Rightly can the atheist then say to Christians, "Your God is the source of evil and I want nothing to do with that God." This issue is more important than you think. Already Mr Zweerink has been convinced to call the scripture untrue when it talks about the whole earth covered even to the tops of the highest hills. That's compromise and one who is driven by his modern scientific understanding, not the scripture.

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​@@RealRadNek💯

If God created the light between stars and the earth, given their distance, because it is Light and Light has a direct relationship to Time, it will age the Universe. The light is not just a beam, it is a history of the star. Did God create a false history? The universe is very old just like Adam was not an infant.

Biblical Hebrew a small vocabulary than English. In biblical Hebrew, there is no word for universe. Instead, the Hebrew phrase that is translated “the heavens and the earth” is used to refer to the universe-the entirety of physical reality. The phrase is used thirteen times in the Old Testament, always referring to all matter, energy, space, and time the universe. We now know that event was 13.787 ±0.020 billion years. This has been checked, proven and measured with many tools and they all agree. It is not just space that came to be 13.787 billion years ago, but time also. The universe is finite and expanding. Just as the Bible stated thousands of years ago.

Try getting your heroes name right & then actual research the nonsense he comes up rather than believing it blindly!

@@pup1008 18For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.” c 20Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 22Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.

@@kevinrtres Blah, blah, blah

@@kevinrtres Did nobody tell you that you cannot convince someone with Bible quotes who does not believe in its veracity to begin with?

OK I've read the Bible and I'm Christian. So I guess the cure didn't work for me, shucks.

@@JonathanSaxon Reading the Bible is not enough; you have to read the Bible and actually think about it to realize the fact that it was written by the early folks who were intellectually comparable to the today's Taliban.

Biblical Hebrew a small vocabulary than English. In biblical Hebrew, there is no word for universe. Instead, the Hebrew phrase that is translated “the heavens and the earth” is used to refer to the universe-the entirety of physical reality. The phrase is used thirteen times in the Old Testament, always referring to all matter, energy, space, and time the universe. We now know that event was 13.787 ±0.020 billion years. This has been checked, proven and measured with many tools and they all agree. It is not just space that came to be 13.787 billion years ago, but time also. The universe is finite and expanding. Just as the Bible stated thousands of years ago. To deny the existence of a Creator is an error.

@@djsarg7451 ♦"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool." ♦"Only fools revere the supernatural myths just bc a book claims itself to be the holy truth." ♦"Religious fools believe by the millions what only lunatics could believe on their own." ♦"The delusional religious fools are cocksure and the intelligent full of doubt." ♦"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled." ♦"It's difficult to free fools from the chains they revere."

I wouldn’t let confidence in belief be a determiner of truth, a person can adamantly claim that we have a fire burning inside of us and that’s why we are alive, but it doesn’t matter if they refuse to back down.. they don’t get any more “right” because of it. In fact Ken Ham’s adamance is what’s so off-putting to me.

Ken ham doesn’t “believe” in science now?

What do you mean "who believes in science"?

@@Xenosaurian there a lot of Christians who subscribe to a 6000 year old earth. That is not science. Science dictates a 3.8 billion year old earth.

Should have had Francis Collins

Excellent point. Businessman like Ken Ham and Kent Hovind that make a very good living off their " interpretation" of Scripture like to be dictators of the Truth. Its fascinating that Ken and Kent make a living off of a hotly debated TRANSLATION of GENESIS. Genesis is an ancient HEBREW jewish text and if you ask ancient HEBREW experts, the Creation story can be understood several different ways. Its fascinating to me that fundamental Young Earth Creationists have ignored this fact. The part that really bothers me is they are willing to present lies as scientific fact to an audience (market really) that cannot discern lies from truth. Its sad....

Actually he understands there are different literary styles. Don't confuse being able to see analogies or euphemisms or poems or parables with strictly interpreting what written words actually say. This is not "fours corners" versus "young earth". It's that "four corners" actually means FOUR, not four years or four ages or "four" the prepositional term. If you can't interpret "four" to mean there are a numerical four corners, then you can't interpret the Genesis "day" as being an age or a time, or an actual 24 hour period, etc. You have to know what a word means before you can "interpret" the sentences it appears in. You have to know that four means four and corner means corner before you can interpret that "four corners" is a literary device. Likewise, we need to know what the words "evening and morning were the first day" means before we can figure out the literary device. If "day" is millions of years, then what does it mean to suggest millions of years are contained in a single evening and single morning? It's a conversation about word translation, word meaning, sentence interpretation, contextual interpretation, and logical reasoning.

@@vigilantezack You took a long time to say he interprets it.

@@ryry854 Ken spends a lot of time on the translation of "day", not its interpretation. If the translation is "standard 24 hour day", then you can worry about interpretation.

Well said.

"IF EVERYONE HEARS THE WORDS THE PEOPHECY OF THIS BOOK; IF ANYONE ADDS TO THEM GOD WILL ADD TO HIS PLAGUES DESCRIBED IN THIS BOOK." (REVELATION 22:18) THE BOOK OF THE LAW SHALL NOT DEPART FROM YOUR MOUTH, BUT YOU SHALL MADITATE IN IT DAY AND NIGHT, THAT YOU MAY OBSERVE TO DO ACCORDING TO ALL THAT IS WRITTEN IN IT. FOR THEN YOU WILL MAKE YOUR WAY PROSPEROUS, AND THEN YOU WILL HAVE GOOD SUCCESS." ( JOSHUA 1:8) Yes, we have to take God at His word; and not the interpretation of mere men! There are 45.000 Christian denominations globally not teaching the literal word of God rather their own interpretation. Is it any wonder that young people are lead to confusion?

@@sv8156 Are you so blind you fail to realize that taking every scripture literally IS an interpretation? Are you denying that you also interpret the Bible? Surely you aren't suggesting you're more than mere man? Stop pretending your interpretation of Genesis 1-3 is the obvious one. Your arrogance is insufferable.

@@joelpierce1453 You deliberately distort my words! Where in my comment do you see "arrogance displayed or claime made above "mere man?" You are all that you accuse me of, hence the deflection. And your cognative bias is deplorable! For one to fully comprehend the Bible the scripture must be interpreted by scripture and they need careful studying. That was my claim! What is your reason and why do you think the text should be an exception to the otherwise sound "ordinary sense" rule? Do I take the Bible literally? Yes, I do! Man does not have the authority to change the will of God on any subject. We have been given severe warnings in several places in the Bible concerning any changes that we try to make to God's word. (Galatian 1:6-9 if we pervert the Gospel by changing it, we will be accursed).

@@sv8156 I called you arrogant because of what you assume about anyone who disagrees with you. You speak like interpreting the Bible is the problem as if you deny that a literal interpretation is an interpretation. I think you also just don't understand what I said about you being merely a man. I don't know what deflection you're talking about, or what cognitive bias. You're just flippantly throwing these accusations out there with no justification. As for your second paragraph, you absolutely did not make that point. You might have been thinking it, but you didn't write anything approaching that. And again, your arrogance is on display. You are assuming that a different interpretation of Genesis is tantamount to changing God's will. Scripture is not meant to be taken *literally* in every passage. I don't think the point of the Genesis account is to tell us how long creation took. I don't think that's even relevant to our understanding of the text. And for you to accuse thousands of churches and millions of people of changing the gospel and thus being accursed because they disagree that the creation account in Genesis refers to 6 literal days is absolutely despicable. You are absolutely blowing the issue out of proportion and are just as bad as Ken Ham in this regard.

Oh thats a good one I may steal that.

I always wondered how plants could be created first on a planet without a sun considering space without the suns warmth is near absolute zero.

You have some frame of reference wrong. Also Genesis is not the oldest book of the Bible, Job is, so to understand Genesis, must read Job first. 1) Biblical Hebrew has a smaller vocabulary than English. In biblical Hebrew, there is no word for universe. Instead, the Hebrew phrase that is translated “the heavens and the earth” is used to refer to the universe-the entirety of physical reality. The phrase is used thirteen times in the Old Testa , always referring to all matter, energy, space, and time in the universe. 2) The Genesis says "let there be light", the word create is NOT in the text. Job tells us what is "let there be light". Job 38:9 when I made the clouds its garment and wrapped it in thick darkness. The cloud make it dark, Genesis 1:2 tells you the frame of reference above the waters on Earth. So the two tell use the cloud went from dark to lighter. The clear sky does not come till " moon to mark the seasons" now with have blue sky. The earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?

But the words have been translated for the very purpose of eliminating your need for an interpreter every time you pick up your bible. This should allow you to read it and interpret it for yourself. It like you going to a foreign country with your interpreter and complaining that you need a interpreter to interpret your interpretor's words.

And Ken is absolutely, completely at odds with science.

I agree, my concern about Ken is that he wants to make this debatable issue into one that splits the church over inspiration of Scripture. He essentially says, “Interpret this my way or else.” Here’s my biggest issue - why hold this strict interpretation of one word, yom, and not apply the same principles of interpretation to the rest of the Bible? How is Ken not required then to believe in a flat, Earth-centric world? For example, there is no other way to interpret the words except that the sun must literally “rise in the east.”

I think your full of beans, old beans, not young ones because your wrong, but I love you

You compromise the bible with evolution. How sad is that. I am sorry for what happened to you.

Egieboy Macatalad Don’t engage the content in his comment, that’s fine.

@@CoverBeats46 I don't think I'm compromising with evolution, but compromising with the great Early Church Father's who had many conversations and disagreements before we knew of biological sciences on whether Genesis should of been read literally or not. I think I look to early church to shape how I should understand the modern church.

TIM Smith- you went a Christian. Did you know Jesus?

@@danielmann5427 Absolutely! I began to personal know Jesus Christ as the one true God made flesh on November 13th, 2011. Since then, He has done so much in transforming my heart, soul, mind and strength through the process of discovering what it means to call Him my Lord and my God. I was part of a Non-Denominational Church from 2009-2014, then was in a Nazarene Church from 2014-2018. Currently been moving around the past year+ so have not been in once place. But yes, I do know Jesus and know greatly of his wonderful grace.

Where is the anger?

So who are the ones creating the divisions? Is it not the ones who depart from the clear teachings of the bible and so bring in the god of the pagans into the church......because they LOVE them. If everyone simply believed the bible as plainly read we'd have one less thing to fight over.

The earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?

Really, compelling? Ken is aggressively it odds with even the most basic of scientific concepts. I’m curious what you found compelling? Was it just his theological stance?

Well you just said it.... "Creation STORY", they just made it up, or at least modified it from creation myths from other religions. They had little scientific knowledge or technology to explain how the world is as it is, so this is the best they could do. They saw creation everywhere, so a creator would make sense back then. But there's little need for one now that we have explanations for most things

😁 congrats! You're a brainwashed moron!!!

So you let Ham brain wash you , yes?

@@celticviking3150 : So, you just say what ever dumb crap that runs across your brain without knowing anything about anything, yes?

That's only because Ken knows the truth and is trying to reciprocate that to Jeff. Jesus sure wasn't polite and welcoming when he turned over the money tables now was he?

@@rachelbrewer9578 there is a huge difference between a den of thieves being allowed to set up camp in God’s house and a brother who has a different opinion . I hope you can see that.

@DavidKnowles The bible is black and white, not grey. It teaches what is right and what is wrong. A thief manipulates the weak and easily deceives. The Bible is so telling when it talks about how many will simply be blind to the truth. Not difficult to understand.

@@rachelbrewer9578 The truth is black and white. The Mosaic law is black and white. However, the correct way to interpret and faithfully apply both is not always black and white at all. Jesus illustrates this clearly when He was asked to apply the law to the woman caught in adultery (John 8:3-11). The law is clear; the woman must be stoned! It’s black and white, and there is no wiggle room! Easy to understand. Yet Jesus did NOT cast the first stone, nor any stone, even though He is without sin. This shows your contention, ‘the Bible is black and white’, as at best, overly simplistic. Jesus fulfilled all the law, always, including in this situation by applying the great commandment justly; He loved her as Himself. He refused to write her off and He gave her room to repent. Have you written off Jeff? Have you grouped him and other old-earthers with the blind and the ‘thief that manipulates the weak and easily deceives’? I’m convinced you mean well and, with Ken Ham, earnestly desire to walk in love and truth. So do not make the mistake of labeling everyone you disagree with as an arch enemy intent on evil. Remember, believing in a young earth is not a life-and-death criterion for Christ’s salvation. Please don’t confuse salvation issues with side issues. It’s ok to disagree on side issues because none of us know ALL the truth, ALWAYS, in ALL circumstances. 1 Corinthians 13:12 says we’re squinting in a fog, peering through a mist. (MSG). This ‘is’ black and white and true for you, me, Ken, and Jeff. God bless you, sister.

Jon Cawthorn - careful in bearing false witness. You trying to put words in his mouth. I don't think you know what an ad hominem fallacy is. Ham gave reasons why he holds what he holds too. He counter argued as well.

​@@danielmann5427 I am not sure what words you think I put in his mouth in accusing me of being a false witness. At the one hour mark Ken Ham says "Creation is cursed. It's under the judgment of sin. All creation groans. And man's interpretation of a fallen universe and trying to interpret the past is completely different than a written revelation that is God breathed. All Scripture is God breathed. This is the infallible word of God, as God says in First Thessalonians 'It is in truth the word of God'. That's very different. You can't in any way equate the written word of God with the revelation of nature which is a result of God's creation and now suffering from the effects of the fall, of sin and the curse." An ad hominem fallacy is an adjective describing an argument directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining. I believe I used that correctly to say that Ken Ham makes the argument an attack on the character of his opponent and thereby keeps the conversation from being able to make it's way into very much science.

@@joncawthorn8201 -Ken Ham speaks correctly, all creation is cursed, it is all under judgement. It all groans for redemption. For it is not ken ham who spoke it but the scriptures, it's not an interpretation the bible is plain in words. Romans 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. The so called attack was related to the subject at hand. And he gave sufficient reasons for his postion and why he is against his opponents postion. I do not see this often over used term ad hominem being used.

It's not natural theology and natural revelation is not the same thing. Its usually called special and general revelation in Christian circles. They are not pivoted against each other and ken ham does not do so.

@@danielmann5427I am not disagreeing with what the Bible says about the world being under a curse. I just don't think that Ken Ham is justified in using that to say that the world God spoke into existence disagrees with the Scriptures that God breathed. Ken Ham says Jeff Zweerink is accusing God of being responsible for death and suffering. He also accuses Jeff of not taking God at his word and of compromising the word of God. Although the attacks by Ken Ham on the character of Jeff Zweerink were related to the subject at hand, they are almost certainly false, they distract from the subject at hand and they are very uncharitable. In the other Ken Ham debates I have listened to he used ad hominem there as well; you might say he "over used" this base debate tactic. This tactic is a turn off and it implies that he has no substantial argument to lean on. If your a young earth creationist you should want someone more winsome for your side, and if you are not you definitely want someone who brings you better reasons to believe in that so that you can judge the argument on substantial merits. Because he does not bring good arguments and because he is so uncharitable, I don't think Ken Ham is the young earth theories' best foot forward, at least I hope not.

Well he did create *EVERYTHING*...

@Moussi Calaghan It's also an Islamic tactic to say "Well, I'm not an Arabic Scholar or Imam."

Everything Ham said is complete nonsense. It's what he wants to believe and has no application in actuality.

@@jarlaxledaerthe4045 I guess, using ironie and playing with elf ... there is the evidence for your non primitive state... repent from your meanness and be washed by Christ's blood.

Yikes

@@charlieboy2587 I Guess you've not read the Bible... Or you're not familiar with some idiomatic sayings contained in sacred scriptures... The expression "be washed by the blood" means being made right before God through the death of Christ. So blood here is a euphemism for death. The washing is a metaphorical expression for pardon and forgivness. God bless you

But Ham gets all his info from where? The "inner witness of the Holy Spirit"? Jeff is relying on experts who have dedicated their lives to the scientific study of the Bible, not what daddy told them when they were little boys.

One thing that doesn't make sense is Ham references the Day and then says it is 24 hours in genesis 1, what doesn't make sense is Genesis 1:5 says day and only refers to 12 hours and then Genesis 2:4 combines days 1-6, but then also calls that a day. So even Genesis 1 & 2 doesn't limit day to 24 hours

Well, I'm from the American Bible Belt. I LITERALLY heard a Republican say of Bernie Sanders, "I never trust a damn Jew". So I asked him, "Do you support same-sex marriage?"..."NO!" (...and WHY? Because-bunch of things, like "murder gays", in the Jewish scriptures, without a grasp of the irony.)

The earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?

Scientific evidence according to their interpritation

The difference is that Jeff is using the "two books" model in which the "book of creation" (what we see when we study the natural world) can inform our understanding of the "book of revelation" (the Bible). Though this idea has a history going back to the earliest days of Christianity, Ken does not like this model and dubiously asserts that it is a cowardly concession to materialism.

Ken Ham cherry picks as well. They all do. They cherry pick which Biblical stories to believe and which scientific pieces of evidence to believe. He accepts most science until it contradicts a part of the Bible he thinks he's familiar with. Hell, the Bible has at least three creation stories, the second of which, on the SECOND PAGE OF THE BIBLE, flatly contradicts the first. He ignores it. There are two Flood narratives that are mutually incompatible. He ignores this. He takes his kids to the doctor. He flies on planes. All of this is fine. When science helps, it's right. When it makes him feel bad, it's wrong.

Jeff 100% trust the Bible.

The earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?

Paulagia fan? I am too.

Same here!

@@pup1008 Paulagia is a Meme god.

Flip 'em, flop 'em, flip 'em, flop 'em: Haaaam and Aiiiiigs!

Ken Ham is against evolution, not interested in it. Ken is very much a Creationist. And if you are a Christian, I advise you to stay away from Andy Stanley. He is very anti Old Testament and anti Genesis and very pro homosexuality and gender bending. Just watch the KZfaq videos confronting Andy for his pro LGBT stance and he doesn't even deny it.

Why? It isn't a matter of science, for science cannot examine the past, it is a matter of philosophy.

Martin Ploughboy except that it’s not. We literally have evidence of human beings older than what Ken Ham thinks the universe is. There are multiple fields of science that confirm a really old ass earth. What these religious people do is take their favorite ancient book and change any facts around them to fit the book. That’s not honest.

@@martinploughboy988 Yeah thats entirely wrong, the past leaves its marks all around you and science has devised ways to measure properties of the past. Hell, its even possible to measure past temperatures directly via concentration of oxygen isotopes in ice in Antarctica, depending on temp for that year the distribution changes. The argument that the earth is young is just frankly ridiculous.

@@martinploughboy988 lolol are you for real? XD Someone better call every single archeologists, paleontologist, geologist, historian etc etc and tell them, that they are not scientists xD

@@AvNotasian And those 'marks' are observed in the present, when speculation takes place on what they mean. It isn't measuring the temperatures directly when you interpret the concentration of oxygen isotopes to give you temperatures.

Or, God teach Ken Ham. He often speaks about subjects he knows nothing about (or pretends to know nothing about, since he's been corrected countless times but keeps repeating the same false info..) I'd like to see some honesty and integrity from him, but, being a young Earth creationist, that isn't likely to happen.

He needs that blessing since he is most definitely going to hell.

The earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?

I agree, Ham is doing Satan's work for him.

@@20july1944 For once I, at least in part, agree with you! :) Maybe I'll make a ham sandwich to celebrate.

@@zach2980 The important thing for Christians to see is that an atheist like you thinks Ham's harming the Kingdom.

Not just sceptics but also plain atheists.

@@hansweichselbaum2534 Bingo Hans! Bingo....

I think you’re right, underneath it all there seems to be a cringing embarrassment from old earth creationists to accept the Genesis account..

Oh yes, he sure fudged on that one. And avoided the 4th commandment.

Romans 5:12 “Through one man sin entered into the world, and through sin death, and so death passed to all mankind in turn.” This is clear death came to “all mankind”, not animals. Why would God kill animals due to man’s sin?

The earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@djsarg7451 replying to your first comment, animals’ death is due to sin. If this was not the case, then that would mean that it was like that since creation and if that’s the case, then when God said that everything was very good, he would be calling death good which goes against his character. God does not kill animals because of sin, it is just a byproduct of man sinning.

Yes - that was my thought too. There were a few arguments that Ken used that I thought could have been used against him aswell

lol, thats why I watched this, for a good laugh

The earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?

Then you’re not a Christian

Richard Poole you’re not GOD!! You have no right to judge me!! Judge not lest ye be judged! Mathew 7. Get thee behind me satan! Mathew 16 verse 23!!

Paul Morgan well done 👍 real intelligent argument from a atheist. I thought you atheists are smart 🤔🤔😜😜

Paul Morgan you’re truth not mine.

Paul Morgan that’s opinion not facts. Sorry to burst your bubble. The problem with a atheist is no matter what scientific evidence I show you for the existence of God. You’re mind is already made up. You could say that about me. But here’s where you’re wrong. Even with all the knowledge you have, you can’t say you know everything. No one can!! So to say that you absolutely know there is no God is absurd! You don’t know that for sure! You can’t possibly prove without a shadow of doubt that God doesn’t exist. Even Agnostics understand that. Agnostics will usually say something like they don’t see evidence for God but it’s still possible. Also before you say that it’s not possible for me to know if God exists because I don’t know everything. Maybe you should consider that people have personal experiences that aren’t proven through science. For example if Jesus makes a personal trip to a person. That person can’t prove that through science. Many people have had personal experiences like these and through prayers. And make sure to be an adult instead of insulting by saying something stupid like we’re on drugs. We’re not all on drugs. Maybe if you open your mind instead of looking to science for everything you might just have a experience that you can’t explain. I happen to very much enjoy science and understand it well. Just because I believe in God doesn’t mean that I’m ignorant. Just because you don’t believe in God doesn’t mean you always will think like that. You can’t possibly know your future regardless of wether you think so or not. Remember the Golden rule. Do unto others as you would do unto them. That’s not a religious rule. That’s a universal rule. It might be of interest for you to do this. Have a intelligent conversation instead of insulting!

Excellent point

What evidence did you expect?

Once you have a supernatural event in the mix, "scientific evidence" is meaningless at best, misleading at worst. (For the life of me, I don't know why this point is so often ignored) The question then becomes "as God was creating the heavens and earth, when did the supernatural events stop and natural events begin?" No science anywhere can (ever) answer that question. Maybe Scripture can. Gen 1:1 describes a supernatural event. How about the rest of Gen 1? That is the million dollar question. And no science anywhere can answer it.

@@timffoster Genesis 2 tells you when the 'supernatural' events stop, after the sixth day. Although, in a sense, it is all supernatural.

The evidence is either equivocal or conflicting. We have strong evidence for a young earth, the recession rate of the moon, the decay of the earths magnetic field, a galaxy filled with comets...these all point to a young earth/universe. There is evidence that could support an old earth...the inferences produced by radiometric dating, the size of the universe and the starlight that fills it, etc. So those are the conflicting evidences. There are equivocal evidences (evidence that could support both explanations). The existence of biological life (naturalists have their warm puddle or ocean vent, and creationists have a super intelligent creative being that explains both the material and informational components of life). I'm sure there are other such equivocal evidences. So my point here is that "evidences" are not clear and not conclusive. It comes down to whether or not you "believe" in the naturalistic story, or if you "believe" in the supernaturalistic story.

He's saying that the science the public today's is seeing is stupid, not that science, as in the scientific meathod, is stupid. Don't you understand that the Bible predicts this very thing. We are sitting in the middle of Scripture in our present time. It isn't just some old book. We have the play book and it's they only one ever where God the Creator reaches down to us to save us. He did so by entering into this world and fulfilling his law that his people never could. It was always about Him sanctifying his creation through a bloodline Himself. That's why Jesus's geniology is repeated 3 times. Anything in Scripture mentioned 3 times is vitally important. Every other religion is a deliberate deception. Only the Immortal Creator can give eternal life and he did it by simply believing that he died and resurrected for YOU. The thankfulness of this revelation then humbles one into turning from living a sinful rebellious life and living like the Creator told us. Then studying Gods Word and learning your play book of life. By no special rituals, or prayers, or works of the body. Just by simple belief, so that ALL of the glory and respect and power of this amazing truth can be directed at He who made you in His image.

@@Cosigner22 the bible says a lot of stupid shit like different genealogies for jesus and different days he died... It also is shit for predictions as tyre isnt underwater

So I just heard Ken say that you can be a Christian AND believe in evolution or an old earth. Talk about eating crow. It's just not his theology. I'm glad Justin put him on the spot cause I think he has too many people duped into thinking it's all or none and that's never been the case until about 70 yrs ago. Ken isn't the ultimate authority on scripture. Neither he nor Jeff have a theology background yet Ken continues to act like he has God's ultimate revelation on the Genesis account. So sad. Even his ark encounter is very inaccurate yet he elevates himself as an authority. C S. Lewis said that, "the sins of the flesh are bad but the utmost evil is pride". And pride goes before a fall. I think Ken needs to read what his Bible says about it: Prov 11:2, 16:18, 29:23. That's what caused lucifer to fall.