Do you need a manual safety on a handgun? Massad Ayoob gives the pros and cons. Critical Mas 58

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We are answering questions from You, the viewer. One of them was "Do you need a safety on a striker fired gun?" Massad Ayoob lists the pros and cons of using a safety on a P320. He looks at how an accident could happen and ways to prevent it. He also looks at the often-forgotten benefit of retention.
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Critical Mas(s) with Massad Ayoob is a show that provides expert analysis over a wide range of contemporaneous topics related to civilian and law enforcement self-defense, the use of force, and second amendment issues, provided by a renowned and established author with a career spanning decades in training law enforcement officers and the public at large, who is frequently called upon to provide expert witness testimony.
ABOUT MASSAD AYOOB:
Massad Ayoob has been handgun editor of GUNS magazine and law enforcement columnist for AMERICAN HANDGUNNER since the 1970s and has published thousands of articles in gun magazines, martial arts publications, and law enforcement journals. He is the author of some twenty books on firearms, self-defense, and related topics, including “In the Gravest Extreme” and “Deadly Force,” widely considered to be authoritative texts on the topic of the use of lethal force.
The winner of the Outstanding American Handgunner of the Year Award in 1998, Mas has won several state and regional handgun shooting championships. Ayoob was the first person to earn the title of Five Gun Master in the International Defensive Pistol Association. He is the current President of the Second Amendment Foundation. He served 19 years as chair of the Firearms Committee of the American Society of Law Enforcement Trainers, and several years as a member of the Advisory Board of the International Law Enforcement Educators and Trainers Association. In addition to teaching for those groups, he has also taught
for the International Association of Law Enforcement Firearms Instructors and the International Homicide Investigators seminars.
Mas has received judicial recognition as an expert witness for the courts in weapons and shooting cases since 1979, and served as a fully sworn and empowered, part-time police officer for 43 years, mostly at supervisor rank. Ayoob founded the Lethal Force Institute in 1981 and served as its director until 2009, and now trains through Massad Ayoob Group. He has
appeared on CLE-TV delivering continuing legal education for attorneys, through the American Law Institute and American Bar Association, and has been retained to train attorneys to handle deadly force cases through the Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network. Ayoob served for two
years as co-vice chair of the Forensic Evidence Committee of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers. He also appeared in each episode of Personal Defense TV (Sportsman’s Channel).
0:00 - Do you need a Safety?
1:30 - Accidental Discharges
3:20 - Weapon Retention
5:25 - 1911 Safety Test
7:50 - Safe Holstering
8:40 - The Choice is Yours
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@gowilsoncombat Жыл бұрын

Do you use a safety? Why or why not?

@hughlamont3696 Жыл бұрын

Yes. I train plenty in manipulating the safety, and I carry AIWB. A safety helps me not worry about my future children .

@JerryLee.. Жыл бұрын

A few years ago, I trained for months simply disengaging the safety during the draw stroke. TMK, most accidents happen during the holstering process. Currently, I engage the safety, holster AIWB, disengage the safety, and ready to go.

@jenni0278 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely but you need to make it muscle memory to disengage it when you pick up that weapon to use it.

@donniemjr75 Жыл бұрын

I still carry a 1911 or a variation of one. So, my answer is yes I use a safety.

@Ash_95 Жыл бұрын

No, prefer a hammer fired with a decocker and no safety

@6omega2 Жыл бұрын

At time stamp 6:12 - Mas deserves the Academy Award for "best performance of a bad guy who does not know how to operate the gun he just snatched." LOL!

@ironman2326 Жыл бұрын

Yes!!😂

@shawnveatch9098 Жыл бұрын

hahahaha no shit! that was hilarious!!

@Iank135 Жыл бұрын

When the mag dropped 😅 😂

@shawnveatch9098 Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@TucoDog-ho6fw 5 ай бұрын

I loved that and I’m sure it’s very true. Most of the criminally inclined dirtbags can’t even operate their own firearm. What a great channel this is. I’ve been a fan of this man since 1992. The reason I remember that date is because I received two of his books as part of my concealed weapons course in 92. One book was from 1980 and one was from 1983. I had already been a shooter for 20 years and had a personally written letter from our county sheriff before there were classes and licenses available. This man is the consummate authority that you can rely on to get the scoop about self-defense, what to say and what not to say, what to do and what not to do, etc. 👍🏻🤠🇺🇸

@jeffwallace957 Жыл бұрын

I'm an older person raised to use a safety and trained to disengage the safety when going to fire, it's just second nature. So that's what works for me. Thanks again for the great content

@williamopry7967 Жыл бұрын

Same. When I shoot a Glock I actually wind up spending as much or more time as it takes to disengage a safety looking for the safety.

@Blah81150 Жыл бұрын

I was raised the same. Mossberg tang safeties and hammer gun thumb safeties are second nature.

@jmfa57 Жыл бұрын

Same here, it truly is second nature for us older guys.

@ScrappyXGC Жыл бұрын

@RogerWilco99 😂I've pocket carried my G23 w/competition trigger and not had a care in the world about it. Long story on that day. I thumb sweep it also. People on the range may laugh, still that's okay. First pistol I ever shot was a 1911 and it didn't go boom 😠till I thumb swept it. I hate decockers on DA/SA's -- keep it in SA, your pull and reset is the same always OR just run a DAO 😠Keep it consistent. Under stress you screw up more than at the range. BTW I was not laughing at you or anything, it's that you brought up interesting points. Carrying a 1911 platform for decades, I'd holster it in condition 1, then set it to 0 though. Plain clothes even. When I dress up for an occasion funeral/wedding, the church gun gets set to 0. Wasn't hard to translon to Sheriff's dept side arm to HIT HIT 🤷‍♂The old 96DAO pull wasn't much different than my 686 pull. My 686's was a 💩ton smoother of a pull.. I've done house clearings with both 1911platorm and Glockplatform, meh. Keep your booger hook off the boom button till it needs to go boom. I'm trying to catch up to you in age. Striker fired is a different manual of arms fo'sho, you have to be sure when reholstering, yes I put the re in there on purpose because I'm an after incident mindset. You didn't mess up during it, you WILL NOT mess up after either. Sorry for the TL:DR you brought so many things to mind. 👍

@patricknesbit2334 Жыл бұрын

Eyup! Same here.

@chris.eskimo Жыл бұрын

As a 1911 guy, it's ingrained in muscle memory. I often catch myself swiping off the nonexistent manual safety on my striker fired guns.

@atkinsjoe5754 6 ай бұрын

Me too

@jamallabarge2665 5 ай бұрын

"I often catch myself swiping off the nonexistent manual safety on my striker fired guns." I laughed out loud in agreement. I find myself repeatedly patting semi-auto magazines. Cause I was once an old school AR15 owner. Compulsive mag patting is a stimata of the AR series.

@jamievarni1530 5 ай бұрын

Yes. After 50 years, it’s permanently stamped into my brain.

@LFDNC 4 ай бұрын

Not against safeties overall, but that ingrained muscle memory is training.

@moparedtn Жыл бұрын

Mr. Ayoob is an absolute gift to all of us. It's a blessing he's still willing and able to impart his wisdom to us. - Ed on the Ridge

@1492dv Жыл бұрын

I agree completely. Thanks to Wilson Combat and all their staff members.

@kosiekoos9408 6 ай бұрын

Ed on the Edg3😅

@hellbent650 6 ай бұрын

I wish he had a Sam Elliot mustache.

@user-oc5je8iu5r 5 ай бұрын

I love this guy “ they don’t call it safety for nothing “

@ghostwrench2292 Жыл бұрын

I recently bought my first handgun - a S&W M&P Shield Plus. My preference was without the thumb safety but the shop where I purchased only had the model with the thumb safety. After a demonstration, I was satisfied the thumb safety was not intrusive at all and purchased the pistol with intent to never use the safety. I have come to appreciate that thumb safety and I’m glad it’s there.

@jaredwright1655 Жыл бұрын

I own a the same model and whenever I take the gun out of its holster without the intent to fire, I engage the saftey before unloading the gun. (Then clean it, put it in a range bag, ect.) When it goes back in the holster loaded I take the saftey off. Thats the only reason I have it and I like it.

@Teadrinker710 Жыл бұрын

“I purchased the pistol with intent to never use the safety.” You sir might be retarded.

@percyfaith11 Жыл бұрын

@@jaredwright1655 Same. If I ever got another pistol it would be a SA/DA with a hammer and no safety.

@shepard.wrex.1580 10 ай бұрын

This is exactly the question I had in mind, thanks for the confirmation!

@Pb_Slinger 6 ай бұрын

That safety will get you killed if you think you can just ignore it.

@davenason5137 Жыл бұрын

The manual safety is for sure a personal choice. I just love how Mas gives us all the info we need. Thank you.

@tobylopez445 Жыл бұрын

check out my post on safeties.

@SpectreDM Жыл бұрын

If you always shoot guns with these safeties, it's as easy to manage as pulling vs not pulling the trigger. It becomes part of how you draw, present, and lower/raise your gun. If you primarily shoot guns with safeties, there's no way to mess up a safetiless gun. So if you think you want it, put in the time. If you're new, you may as well start off with a manual safety.

@alphamale4497 Жыл бұрын

Take safety’s off ARs or any guns then. There’s a reason pistols have safety’s just like other guns do. Especially when you’re sticking them in your pants.

@cgoins1993 Жыл бұрын

@@alphamale4497 that’s a preposterous comparison. ARs have much lighter trigger pulls and their triggers aren’t covered by a holster when they’re outside the hands of the shooter. Revolvers don’t have safeties. Safeties on handguns didn’t start until single action semi autos hit the market. There’s simply no use for them in today’s world outside of 2011s. Especially on striker fired pistols. Even DA/SA pistols are usually carried with the safety off and hammer down and is then decocked before reholstering

@alphamale4497 Жыл бұрын

@@cgoins1993 bro half the market complains about triggers in striker fire guns and aren’t happy if their carry gun doesn’t have a sub 4 pound trigger. And based off the guys logic if you train safe you don’t need a safety. What do you not get?

@jescocom1 Жыл бұрын

@@cgoins1993 My S & W 442 has a built-in safety lock that takes a key to unlock it. When I put it away, I always engage the key lock. A double action revolver has a much harder pull, so it is less likely to be accidentally shot. Also, many revolvers have a half cocked position that works like a safety.

@jescocom1 Жыл бұрын

@@alphamale4497 You might handle it safely, but if someone else gets hold of your weapon, then all bets are off.

@humanityrising9378 7 ай бұрын

I prefer an external safety for the added layer of safety it presents. It just makes sense when handling a firearm and the responsibility that goes with it.

@jameshutchins3396 Жыл бұрын

I was raised as a boy bird hunting. Safety was first and foremost and was never operated until pointed at the target and ready to fire. Safety operation does not take that long and is a win win in my book.

@johncarry5989 Жыл бұрын

It baffles me how that isn't just the standard rule across the board. When I'm target shooting it's exactly the same. The safety only comes off when I'm just about to shoot a target. Accidents can happen and it's always better to be safe than sorry.

@True_Patriotx Жыл бұрын

That is why I like to carry a 1911/2011 the manual safety just adds a little bit of extra assurance and doesn’t slow me down.

@jaywhey8822 Жыл бұрын

100% Agree! I train with my 1911 and part of my draw training is disengaging the safety and counter to that, reengaging on the holster. It is second nature now and I honestly feel weird carrying any type of pistol without a manual safety.

@okierebel3278 Жыл бұрын

I use the manual safety on my pistol always. I learned to shoot with a Colt 1911 therefore using the manual safety is natural to me.

@rtek777 Жыл бұрын

I treat my M18 like I do my AR. Safety goes off as I go up to fire, and safety goes back on when I'm done firing. I dry fire everyday and it's become second nature. I also installed an Agency Arms trigger with the dingus as an extra safety measure. That trigger feels so much more familiar as I'm used to shooting/carrying a Springfield XD OR XDS.

@thenabinator Жыл бұрын

I appendix carry a P365. I like being able to feel the ambi safety lever in the up position just by a quick touch of my hand. It’s comforting knowing there’s one more fail safe protecting my junk.

@jckcpd4539 Ай бұрын

I couldn't agree with you more. I also appendix carry the Sig 365.

@jpg_sig10 7 ай бұрын

I've got four S&W M&P M2.0 pistols, and all four of them have the ambidextrous manual thumb safety (AMTS), which I absolutely want and love. IMHO, an AMTS is an absolute must on any / all striker-fired pistols. Good things! 👍

@Highballer44 Жыл бұрын

I have 2 SIG P320's, one with and one without a safety. I use the "without only at the range, the "with" is my home defense weapon. I've had people laugh at me because I prefer a safety, but I don't mind, like you said, it's one more safety device that I prefer. Thanks for your video's, I watch as many of your videos that I can. Thank you.

@natedoggraymond Жыл бұрын

Do you think that practicing without a manual safety could lead to you forgetting to disengage the safety with your defense gun in a real situation?

@brianlegg6009 Жыл бұрын

About a year ago I bought a S&W Shield Plus w?manual safety.. After about 8 months I started carrying it with the safety OFF. After watching this video I'm going back to carrying it with the safety ON. It just makes sense. The little bit of extra training on disengaging that safety is well worth it. Thanks, Massad. Great presentation as always.

@neilaxelrod5872 Жыл бұрын

I have a Shield Plus and it’s the only handgun I own where the safety is next to useless. It’s too small and cannot be reliably activated and released. I’ve stopped carrying it because of that fact.

@jaredwright1655 Жыл бұрын

@@neilaxelrod5872 well I also carry the same gun with the saftey off in its holster, but when I take it out to clean it or throw it in a range bag I engage the saftey before unloading it. I agree it's too difficult to use under stress but its not obtrusive enough to matter

@jandyg Жыл бұрын

The safety may slow you down on the shot. It also gives you a split second longer to allow yourself to consider if you really need to take this shot. Don’t dump on me. Because life will be different after you pull the trigger.

@HalcyonDaze33 Жыл бұрын

Amen brother

@HellaDelta42069 Жыл бұрын

That lazy-eye gives him an advantage in any self-defence situation. I’d trust this man with my life.

@phileasler5401 6 ай бұрын

Agree, that’s why I won’t carry a Glock, but will carry S&W, Sig etc

@THX..1138 Жыл бұрын

IMO if you are a civilian in your lifetime the person you are most likely to shoot is yourself while holstering or deholstering your firearm. Personally my preference would be a safety and a DAO trigger. It having neither when I had my Glock I carried Israeli.

@UrbanDefenseSystems Жыл бұрын

Being of the younger millennial generation. I grew up with Glocks. And though I carried them AIWB without issue, I just never got over the fact I had a 9mm Hollowpoint that might point at my femoral artery or legs (including the third) that could go off with 5lbs of pressure. I've seen holsters do weird things, and clothing (as unlikely as it is to happen) can make its way into a holster. The more active you are (mountain biker and skater) the more likely these things can present themselves. Then I moved onto a DA/SA pistol with a manual safety. In the beginning I had to train myself to work the safety and learn the DA/SA trigger pull. But once that became second nature, it adds no extra time to the draw. Couldn't be happier and I have way more peace of mind. Many professional shooters shoot guns with safeties, or guns that are DA/SA, or even both. So don't let those mechanisms fool you into thinking that you'll be slower on the draw to first shot. The important thing is that if you have a safety, you train with it.

@ThadJB 25 күн бұрын

It's been years since my Dad (a ret. cop, Riverside Cnty, S. Cal) gave me the book, The Tactical Edge, but as I recall when cops were under stress fire, some also missed the safety and fatally suffered the consequences. I'm retired military and a firm believer that the only safety I ever want on a handgun is my trigger finger. Mas, you're a phenomenal contributor to the community and I can't begin to say Thank You enough!

@joksan777 Жыл бұрын

Easy to add safeties on P320 and P365

@bobwampler3387 Жыл бұрын

I do the same technique on holstering my DA/SA pistol and 1911. I’m a fan of safeties on striker fired pistols as well. Well done sir, this is crucial info as always.

@frankbutta9344 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely Yes! I use semiautomatic pistols with a safety for the reasons you’ve stated.

@KRN762 Жыл бұрын

I like a manual safety. It feels right at home. I also prefer a traditional DA/DA hammer fired pistol with a safety/decocker. All that being said, I do like my stock SiG P320 with manual safety.

@reverend8129 Жыл бұрын

I carry the P365 with manual safety as my concealed and the P320 as my duty weapon. I learned with the thumb safety so whenever I fire a weapon without one I actually have a slight pause when I instinctively try to disengage the safety and it’s not there. So whatever you train with is what’s best. And the ability to chose to have the safety or not is amazing. If the time comes that you need to use your firearm defensively, and you are having to go through the steps instead of instinctively reacting, you have not trained enough regardless of however many “steps” there are or aren’t.

@gladdog1046 Жыл бұрын

My first ever - EVER experience using firearms was in USMC boot camp. They stressed over and over the importance of keeping your safety on when not firing your weapon. That has stuck with me. So yes, yes, yes, safety's on any weapon I own other than DA revolvers.

@davidgaines8607 Жыл бұрын

What a time we are in , when I can leave a comment that Mass Ayoob might see and/or comment on. (or at least a social media moderator in charge ) Anyway , I got nothing. Thanks for the video.

@AmericanPatriot1 Жыл бұрын

👍🏻 CONDITION 1….one in the chamber, mag inserted, safety on!

@kevinhurley7021 Жыл бұрын

I like the added safety , like anything else you get used to using it

@swkohnle08 Жыл бұрын

I carry and train regularly with a government sized 1911 in .45 acp. It’s completely natural to carry this cocked, locked and a round in the chamber for me. As part of my natural draw stroke, to defeat the safety with my thumb as I bring the gun up to the target and ride that safety as I shoot. I dry fire regularly with my 1911 and practice the safety manipulation with every draw from and return to the holster. The only hand guns I own are government sized 1911’s in .45 and I carry one everyday concealed. Good video topic.

@JohnDoe-qw4gc Жыл бұрын

I used to carry with safety on, but now I don't. I like having one still for the other shooters in my household and for whomever will get my guns after I die. Imo, the statistical likelihood of an ND is way higher than needing the extra half second to snap a safety off.

@ironmikehallowween Жыл бұрын

Pretty much, yes.

@CGFIELDS Жыл бұрын

I always carried my M9 Beretta on Safe while working Town Patrol in South Korea (2001-2002). I always trained to draw my weapon & disengage the safety.

@CumKitten09 Жыл бұрын

I've modified how I draw so it naturally turns off the safety as I come up and it's actually really nice. I feel so much more safe carrying with one in the chamber because of it and it adds no extra time to pulling it out

@tombkds1 Жыл бұрын

Great info. I only buy guns with Manuel safety. I've been told it slows down reaction time. I believe anyone can make a mistake. And I prefer that 1 extra step to prevent the 99.99% of the time I won't need to use my weapon.

@tobylopez445 Жыл бұрын

TRY A TRIGGER GUARD HOLSTER and you will never use a safety again.

@atkinsjoe5754 6 ай бұрын

Me too

@StevenRogers-hw9dj 5 ай бұрын

@@tobylopez445 Wrong.

@nando687 Жыл бұрын

Love your work.

@joshoconnor5005 Жыл бұрын

Great presentation

@slowhand1198 Жыл бұрын

Excellent overview as usual. Two considerations I might add here. Retention holster, and never being in a rush to re-holster.

@Snookynibbles Жыл бұрын

Retention holster for open carry, but not for concealed.

@venz8201 Жыл бұрын

@Snookynibbles Why? Something simple like a thumbsnap seems to me like a good idea if you have to run or you end up wrestling with someone and they try to take it.

@HitechProductions Жыл бұрын

Yes, always a safety. I'm old and having and properly using a safety was how I was taught since I was a child. In a concealed carry gun I would require redundancy in regards to safety. Without a two forms of safety (double action & manual safety for example) I would never carry with a round in the chamber as that would become the redundant safety. Additionally, drop safe is a requirement for me of any concealed carry gun.

@GrantTravels23 6 ай бұрын

Drop safe, is the reason I don't normally carry in the chamber. It's easy enough to go around a corner and rack a slide if there are some shady characters around. But your first defense should always be situational awareness. If it looks iffy it probably is or will be, so why stick around to find out?

@HitechProductions 6 ай бұрын

@@GrantTravels23Yup, that is easy enough, and situation awareness is very important. The best way to win any fight is to not get into one. But, in far too many self defense situations you don't have time. Mr. Ayoob has a video on the subject outlining these scenarios and the likelihood of having time to rack the slide.

@bruced.370 6 ай бұрын

@@HitechProductions No time to rack. Especially if you have only one hand free.

@davewhanger6722 Жыл бұрын

Some very good points!

@cheeng1 Жыл бұрын

Excellent video!

@ScaredyCatTactical Жыл бұрын

Great presentation. Always thought-provoking content.

@kubikariYOU Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the information and your opinion. It has value!

@rstumbaugh43 Жыл бұрын

Very informative, thank you!

@NigelDeForrest-Pearce-cv6ek Жыл бұрын

Always Enlightening!!!!

@Philly1958 Жыл бұрын

Why I prefer DA/SA.

@nosurrender4824 Жыл бұрын

Very well put & always concise & practical . Thank you Mr. Ayoob.

@billf9847 Жыл бұрын

I love this guy

@MrSmith-zy2bp Жыл бұрын

I like the manual safety on my M18 commemorative. It's very 1911-like.

@Jim.Hummel Жыл бұрын

In regard to the reholstering portion of his presentation, placing your thumb on the hammer is a graduate-level technique to sear into your muscle memory and is, IMHO, a solid reason to prefer a hammer-fired pistol. This, combined with an DA/SA trigger and decocking lever, is why my preference is the Sig P226. I just don't feel comfortable with scissor triggers or striker-fired pistols. In the end, though, there is nothing more critical than consistent training with your weapon of choice. Thanks to Mas & Wilson Combat for covering this topic.

@Der-gute-vegane-Hirte Жыл бұрын

Good points👍🏻

@navchaps3449 Жыл бұрын

Always clear, concise, instructive.

@tekannon7803 Жыл бұрын

Excellent presentation Massad! There is a thing called luck that some people believe in and that is why a safety on a hand gun might be a good thing for when lady luck is not on your side. What I have learned in life is that lady luck seems to be absent in my experiences when I need her most. It would not surprise me to be in a situation where somehow, some way the gun drops, gets pulled out of one's holster or hand and fires with the bullet going in the wrong direction. But if there had been a safety, it would have simply fallen to the ground and not discharged. Poor example perhaps, but you get the point. A safety might take a milli-second to unlatch, but it might be the thing that keeps you from shooting yourself in the foot when your luck has run out

@tsartz Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this video, sir! I enjoy the peace of mind of having a safety on my Beretta Cheetah. I carry it with one in the chamber, de-cocked and locked. Between the safety and the heavy double action, I feel safe handling it and transferring it between car holster to IWB or other CC options. However, i don't feel that same confidence with my Sig P365 X-Macro. I carry that with an empty chamber due to the handling concerns you mentioned and the much lighter trigger pull. I will be installing a safety module after watching your video for more reasons than I thought! (I hadn't thought about the scenario of someone else wrestling my gun away from me) Thank you for sharing your knowledge, experience and wisdom.

@dirkpittthegreat4559 3 ай бұрын

Excellent

@GlennCJudah Жыл бұрын

Great video and great information! As always 😊 Thanks !

@jalbert222 6 ай бұрын

Great video, Massad. As a non LE private citizen with a CCW, my current choice is a DA/SA Sig with de-cocker. That does not solve the issue of someone shooting me with my own gun, but takes away by concern with a Glock style system which even an errant toothpick or loose piece of clothing near or in your holster could cause a discharge. Also, I believe Glock style pistols are terribly dangerous in the event anyone inadvertently picks up one's pistol, perhaps a child or maid or visitor. A Glock will fire with a light trigger pull. My Sig P220, de-cocked, in the hands of a novice or child, would give warning something bad is about to happen, when the strong trigger pull shows a hammer going back. My other daily carry, a Sig P238 has a 1911 style safety. Which I love. I will get hate mail for this, but I think Glocks should not even be legal. So dangerous on so many levels.

@e.t.preppin7084 6 ай бұрын

No hate from me. I too carry p-238 daily. ( concealed of course). I keep thinking I need a Glock because they are so well spoken about but it doesn’t feel safe to me.

@jalbert222 6 ай бұрын

Well said. I think you do not feel safe about a Glock, but they are not safe. I guess that people like Glocks maybe because they are inexpensive. Sour grapes, you know, like people who say things like "Hey, my VW is built just as week as good as a Mercedes".

@lon242 Жыл бұрын

I work in a gun shop as an armorer. A lot of Guntubers make it sound like manual safety variants of the P320 are everywhere, but that's not the case; only the M17/18 models have them. What if the buyer wants an X Series model P320 (ex. X Carry) but wants a manual safety? Well, they'll either have to suck it up, or buy an M18 and convert it to X Carry specs. There are manual safety kits out there, but that's not my point - SIG churns out P365s all with the option for manual safeties, but on the P320, they're only available on the M17/18 replicas? They should give the people options with something like this.

@dtcdtc8328 Ай бұрын

Yea ,I am a recent 2A participator (December 2023) and when I purchased my P365 X, all they had was a WCP365X , no safety. I trusted my gut and made the purchase (they couldn't keep them in stock, anywhere locally) . I love the firearm, am at 1250 rounds . Just starting to draw from holster , taking it slow and am focusing on precision not speed . I've considered getting a manual safety installed and may . IDK we'll see. Everyone in my orbit including my Uncle (retired US Marshal) do not have manual a safety on theirs..

@scooter5940 22 күн бұрын

@@dtcdtc8328you do you, but I installed a manual safety in my 365 XL (it was easy) and bought my 365 with the safety. Something just doesn’t feel right about holstering a striker fired weapon with no safety. It’s easy enough to train with the safety, too. I guess I would rather run the small risk of me mucking up taking the safety off in the slim chance I ever need to fire the weapon, vs. the very small risk of handling it - but every day - without a safety, and having a ND hurt someone.

@judelarkin2883 Жыл бұрын

All good points.

@jamesdyson7126 Жыл бұрын

Excellent. Thank You Massad.

@gameragodzilla Жыл бұрын

I always carry a gun with either a safety or a decocker since I like that extra margin of safety. So my Sig P320 has a safety and I prefer carrying 1911s.

@christoney2491 Жыл бұрын

Very good points being made. I prefer a manual safety on my striker fired pistols, for the reasons you presented.

@hillbillyscholar8126 Жыл бұрын

Always insightful and informative. Thank you WC and Massad Ayoob!

@doejohn8674 Жыл бұрын

Very interesting discussion, thank you!

@michaelgraham8854 Жыл бұрын

i just like a saftey. It s what we used to learn on,feels funny on my Glock and Walther without one.

@jimtewa8096 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Mr. Ayoob, as always very informative, myself I will not carry a striker fired weapon unless it has the manual safety that's why my EDC is the Hackathorn Special Commander, again thank you keep bringing us the great information you all do at Wilson Combat. God bless and stay safe.

@richardmeo2503 5 ай бұрын

Always great info

@MarioPerez-wo1zz Жыл бұрын

Excellent point of view and very well explained!

@zerofox9900 Жыл бұрын

I had an older (pre-2017) 320 9mm that I sold. After the stories started coming out, I put some snap caps in, tossed the gun around, and dropped it from several angles. On more than one occasion the gun would've fired. Sig says they fixed it, so for fun I bought a 320 XTEN. Snap caps installed, same testing, never fired. Since it didn't fire, I tested it again, about 3 times the testing I did on the 9mm. Still never fired. Maybe they did resolve the issue after all. I now daily carry the XTEN with no reservations or worries.

@bwofficial1776 Жыл бұрын

The problem with the P320 was because the physical trigger was too heavy. Not the weight of the pull, the part itself. When dropped at the right angle, the inertia of the trigger could pull itself. Sig recalled all of them and fitted a lighter trigger part. If Sig had designed the trigger with a safety blade like Glock or S&W it might have stopped the trigger from moving far enough.

@neilaxelrod5872 Жыл бұрын

@@bwofficial1776 a trigger inertia safety like a Glock, FN, Springfield Armory, or M&P striker fired handguns would have probably prevented it. For whatever reason Sig doesn’t believe in them.

@rwright135 Жыл бұрын

Hard pass for me personally. I do like the 320, but there’s so many other options out there that they might as well retire it because it’s just not worth any risk. At least change the name like p320mk2 or p321?! 😅 give us some sort of confidence and move on. That’s just me and my opinion. So, to each their own.

@jimr549 Жыл бұрын

P365 here and I added a manual safety because I've always had them and more so because I felt the 365 trigger was a little light for my comfort out of the box.

@jeffreystayman375 Жыл бұрын

Did you buy a new grip frame, or just dremel the notch for the safety?

@HalcyonDaze33 Жыл бұрын

When I went to purchase my P365 I first visited my local gun shop, but they didn't have any with a manual safety. They gave me some lame line about how 'the holster is the safety' so I ordered my pistol from PSA. Some gun shop employees contribute to the problem, js.

@mikewilson8708 Жыл бұрын

As always, a very good presentation.

@shawnrodenn1967 7 ай бұрын

Always spot on with Mas !

@AllenTam Жыл бұрын

Great video. I like P320s. I don't need manual safety on my P320s; I want it. Especially for EDC. I'm in the process of converting all my standard FCU to manual safety FCU with a conversion tool kit I recently purchased. My thinking is if I want manual safety on my rifles why I wouldn't want manual safety on my pistols? I can't think of a reason why I don't want it.

@mariodcreatorgaming8236 Жыл бұрын

It takes half a second to take off the safety but it can potentially give you an extra 16 seconds of life to fight back. It’s more than worth it if you ask me.

@dcidci1012 Жыл бұрын

You are the best, Thank you Sir.

@JimboLogic 6 ай бұрын

Well said.

@Pje3ski Жыл бұрын

Unbelievable, I have been against safety’s for about a decade due to the extra complication under stress, seen what can happen in competition many times. I didn’t think anyone could even make me think about a safety being a good thing. But Massad has some compelling points. Didn’t change my mind for me at my current stage in life, but might have caused me to decide differently 10 years or so back.

@uncreativename9936 Жыл бұрын

I've always been pro safety because I always found it a contradiction that those against safeties will say you should just NEVER make a mistake in regards to gun safety, however at the same time a manual thumb safety was bad because you couldn't rely 100% on yourself to disengage it when needed.

@joevanorder 7 ай бұрын

My thoughts also

@TrenholmFamily-1701 Жыл бұрын

I prefer the extra safety control, for the same reasons mentioned. I always found it to be prudent and logical ever since I have been a young man. Never been on the police force...although I am a veteran, Army National Guard training. Owner, owned both 1911 and HighPower...including the newer Striker hammer pistols. I still prefer the extra safety and always will. It's just smart thinking, no matter what your preferences are.

@HalcyonDaze33 Жыл бұрын

Amen brother

@paulparsons1401 4 ай бұрын

Thank you for advice

@raybitting3469 5 ай бұрын

Thank you Massad…great commentary!

@BayAreaCowboy Жыл бұрын

I just want to say thank you for all the advice over the years. I still think you give the best information when it comes to the use of guns and safety. I have never been a safety guy on a handgun. However after listening to you talk about the subject and give several examples I can see why someone might want one. Especially as a LEO. It’s just a matter of training. Thanks again for all the great advice over the years.

@monchgupit Жыл бұрын

Thank you, Sir! Always felt safer with the 1911. Early on, was one of my issues with the Glock. Just got used to the idea that the trigger was the safety.

@williepelzer384 6 ай бұрын

I will never owne one because of that reason

@christophercraig9469 Жыл бұрын

Excellent insight!! And information

@ironman2326 Жыл бұрын

I have the p320 with the thumb safety. I wouldn't have it any other way

@peggynulsen1365 Жыл бұрын

Former student of Mas's, though admittedly many years ago. I started with a Glock and still carry one today most days unless I'm hiking then it is a DA revolver. I admit to the risks Mas is talking about in regards to weapon retention, and surely if I was an active LEO I would have a manual safety as well as a retention holster. You guys are much more likely to get up close and personal with a bad guy. No matter what I could not beat 1.5 secs. Thems the breaks. Like other commenters have noted here, good training, continued training and then practice, practice, practice. I'm now a 70 yr old 5 foot 130 pound female. I will say this though about the value of getting good professional training early on, it mostly prevents the development of bad habits and if you keep your skills up reasonably well then even at 70, short and bantam weight.....your chances of prevailing are pretty good. 😊 edit for spelling.

@UrbanDefenseSystems Жыл бұрын

Ho Yeah!

@mikegross6962 Ай бұрын

Very will done

@raleighparker7046 5 ай бұрын

Perfect lessons.

@kennethcurtis1856 Жыл бұрын

Safety or no safety, the Milwaukee PD is replacing all their P320s.

@GretaWardFireFly Жыл бұрын

I believe in having a safety if you are going to carry your gun. Suppose an assailant grabs it, or, for some reason, you grab it in a hurry during a physical situation? But I agree that training with it, a good holster, and good trigger discipline are important.

@usatrooper5045 Жыл бұрын

Well said sir 👍🇺🇲

@victormurray7849 6 ай бұрын

Thank you.

@Philly1958 Жыл бұрын

Why have most LE departments moved to no safety pistols? Mostly striker fired.

@JG54206 Жыл бұрын

I’m only 28 and I am only now since I’ve had my pistol permit for the last couple of years being exposed to guns without a safety. I get that it’s another step but I’ve just not had a problem with it. My default is to look for the safety on a firearm if I’m unfamiliar with it.