DOC HARLEY: WHAT TUNER DO YOU NEED?

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4 жыл бұрын

Doc Harley from the Service Clinic at Low Country Harley-Davidson to help you with the health of your motorcycle! This week he talks about tuners- what questions to ask yourself and the pros/cons of different ones.
We know there are other tuners out there. These are the tuners Doc has worked with and had available for filming. Like the video says - make sure you talk with your tuner/mechanic about what they are familiar with and able to work with before buying a tuner.
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Doc Harley is a motorcycle technician at Low Country Harley-Davidson with over thirty years working on motorcycles. Over the years at the dealership he has worked on Harley-Davidson, Buell, and Triumph motorcycles with a few other brands here and there from trade-ins. There are thousands of how-to videos out on KZfaq and other websites across the world. Doc’s goal is to help solve problems that people run into when using their service manual, share insights only found as a certified Harley® technician, and some of the tips he’s picked up over the years.
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@williamyoung3340 3 жыл бұрын

I've been a Harley dealership tech for 25 years. I keep watching these videos waiting for Doc to say something stupid or incorrect. I'm still waiting.....

@tricgix2949 3 жыл бұрын

@@jif4639 . Yes...it will work on stage 1234

@falconator3419 3 жыл бұрын

Maybe you can answer this for me regarding a tuner. I have an 2009 Road King with Vance and Hines power duals, hi-output and screaming eagle high flow air intake. Is was tuned by Harley and ran fine. Now I just installed an S&S 551 cams, pushrods, lifters, oil pump with cam support plate. I tuned it with the V&H Fuelpack with their recommended mapping but is running rich on the rear cylinder and smoked out my left pipe. What should I do? Thank you in advance.

@kolliinn 3 жыл бұрын

@@falconator3419 with all of the stuff done I’d get it dyno tuned

@georgehakeem 3 жыл бұрын

@@jif4639 dynojet powervision is the best tuner hands down

@CenobiteBeldar 2 жыл бұрын

He explains stuff really well.

@kurtisgothreaux3057 4 жыл бұрын

Doc, that was the most informative explanation of tuners I've seen. You definitely have a knack for putting it in layman terms. Many thanks for your great videos. Always learn something watching them.

@Johnr37us 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, he does a good job with these videos.

@oregonoutback7779 4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely the best explanation of tuners I have heard. Thank you, Doc.

@skipblack9981 3 жыл бұрын

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@Dennis_Vermeij 3 жыл бұрын

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@johnsuch5914 4 жыл бұрын

POWERVISION FROM FUELMOTO USA...BEST IN THE BUSINESS.....30,000 miles on my 2010 107 build 116/126 not 1 hiccup !!!!

@DeuceRollinChainSmokin 2 жыл бұрын

ThunderMax 😎 it's on a whole different level

@LiTLflor 2 жыл бұрын

@@DeuceRollinChainSmokin in which way? I have a 05 fxdi pre o2 system and debating between both systems.

@DeuceRollinChainSmokin 2 жыл бұрын

@@LiTLflor self learning and it tunes itself with wide band o2 sensors. You can tune out literally anything about the bike. It literally teaches itself how you ride and what fuel/air suits you best. Powervision is a close 2nd but it's limited in some areas. ThunderMax is a better option if you are BUILDING a monster. Cams, intake and exhaust get the PV. Doing compression heads and the full works get the TM.

@SOONERS918 3 жыл бұрын

Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. They have to show you proof that what you put on the bike is what caused the problem before they can deny the warranty and your also allowed to have your certified motorcycle mechanic look at it to not just Harley and also doc I do love watching you videos

@ameshill5340 4 жыл бұрын

Great information delivered in a no nonsense easy to understand format. Wish I had a local dealership that believed in this approach.

@HOOLIGANfilmz 4 жыл бұрын

Doc, your knowledge doesn't cease to amaze me. Thank you

@victorhugonatersjr.4868 4 жыл бұрын

Doc you are so thorough explaining everything. Much appreciated

@anthonytortorice1264 4 жыл бұрын

Great video Doc. Thank you. All this makes carburetors look easy.

@miketodd8640 4 жыл бұрын

Wow! Finally a good overview of tuning. Your not trying to sell a product, just clear information. Now it's up to us on what level of tune fits pocketbook and riding style ..... thanks Doc.

@clayblack3091 4 жыл бұрын

This Video should be posted on EVERY motorcycle / social media forum. It's a simple but very accurate description of what to do, what to use & what not to do or use.

@skullman33 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Doc. I understand tuners so much better now.

@Leroy71893 4 жыл бұрын

I bought a 2020 and had a stage 4 kit put in before I got it, with the Harley tuner. The check engine light was constantly coming on. The dealership service department could not figure out what to do, they told me the Harley tuner wasn’t designed for tuning for max power and they recommended I take it to a Dyno tuner. The Dyno tuner told me it was a waste of money to try and tune with the new Harley tuner. So basically Harley took money for an upgrade and tuner that they don’t allow you to use full power. If you go to a tuner that allows you to use full power they flag my warranty. A $5000 “gotcha”from HD. Thanks for the explanation of how they work, very informative.

@TheOdieD3 3 жыл бұрын

Doc, thanks for the good teaching.

@stevemorris2363 3 жыл бұрын

The Doc is a very good teacher. Explains well and knows his stuff. Thanks

@CHEVYK10 3 жыл бұрын

It's scripted direct from Milwaukee

@babybugspaw7085 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Doc, your explanations are for everyone from veterans to some newer HD riders. Thank you

@LowCountryHarleyDavidson 2 жыл бұрын

We try our best and appreciate your feedback...Doc

@dipack999 4 жыл бұрын

You are an absolutely fantastic doctor. Very well explained. I ride 2019 slim in London England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 now in know what to choose without voiding my warranty. Cheers

@dwightraine9686 4 жыл бұрын

Hey Doc thanks for the information it was great learned a little bit more about the tuners

@kerrylewis2581 3 жыл бұрын

Honest and simple to understand explanation Doc.

@deanphillips8270 4 жыл бұрын

Best explanation on tuners I heard so far, l have the FI2000 on my 2013 Ultra Classic since 2013 and have never had one problem but its not the one that he showed, that one is set manually like he said but the one I run sets automatically ,but like I said no problems yet

@zl2848 4 жыл бұрын

Doc Harley is THE MAN!! GREAT VIDEOS 👍

@Al-xk7wl 4 жыл бұрын

Outstanding review of how tuners work!

@michaelhayward7572 4 жыл бұрын

This is the best and simplest explanation of EFI and aftermarket tuners i have seen. Thanx, Triumph and Guzzi owner (Ex Harley owner..)

@RB-tx4mn 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for this great video. Just bought a 2020 Low Rider S and put Vance & Hines mufflers on it. So glad to hear I don't need a tune!

@cjmueller5455 4 жыл бұрын

I really enjoy hearing and seeing their guys with the exotic bikes. No doubt they are getting a lot out of their machines. I believe the design team contemplated most of what a bike could be subjected to by us consumers and planned accordingly. Here in Arizona, a guy could have a long walk if he needed help. Likewise, I have never asked a gunsmith to “improve” a firearm. Sometimes it is good to have dependability as a performance goal.

@gwattsjr 4 жыл бұрын

Great overview of tuners. I had read the ThunderMax tuner isn’t compatible with the RDRS system. I’d love to hear how these tuning companies will deal with the RDRS system in Harley’s.

@stevemolina8801 3 жыл бұрын

As everyone on here says, the BEST comparison of all these tuners anywhere. Thank you.

@jeffreygraf3358 Жыл бұрын

Your honesty and integrity is above anyone else I've seen.

@LowCountryHarleyDavidson Жыл бұрын

We appreciate your support….Doc

@haroldwiser2641 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent explanation, thank you!

@Jimmy_Jim_Jim_1234 4 жыл бұрын

2010 Superglide with a stage one only. I used a Fuel Pack with the Android App. It was super easy and took literally 4 minutes. It took a typically crappy running Harley and made it run smooth, and stronger.

@rob3208 2 жыл бұрын

Wow what a breath of fresh air. I could listen to this guy all day. What a Pro. 👌🏼

@LowCountryHarleyDavidson 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, thanks!...Doc

@maxidancer13 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Doc, love watching your videos, thank you for taking time to share all of your knowledge. If you purchase a motorcycle from another state would it be wise to use a tuner do to the difference in altitude

@bsmagee86 4 жыл бұрын

Power vision with target tune. Went from 103 to FM 107 with level b heads to a s&s 124 and never had an issue or had to see a dyno. Simply get a base map and tune.

@thomascarpenter7415 4 жыл бұрын

Doc , Thanks for breaking it down for me and the rest of us weekend warriors! Lol

@russpeaknuckel9525 2 ай бұрын

Just ordered a new exhaust. Good to know that I don't need a tune because of the sensors ! Thanks Doc !!

@garyc8159 Жыл бұрын

this information is right on time for me. Thinking of adding Vance and Hines full exhaust system. I still do research on this subject. Thank you for sharing providing this valuable information as you do in all of your videos.

@daviddunn5264 4 жыл бұрын

Always informative and much appreciated. Thanks again doc.

@michaelwest4525 3 жыл бұрын

Great advice , Doc , thanks . I don’t think I’m going to mess with mine for now . I don’t feel ready to open a can of worms .

@sheddski6415 4 жыл бұрын

i had popping from a dealer after stage 1 aircleaner and screaming eagle mufflers touring ones not slashcut so i installed a powercommander 3 and dynaport had the map for me exact pipes downloaded it installed it and rode all day 1 pop been 6 years still runs great original sparkplugs too golden brown

@roncoburn7771 3 жыл бұрын

great video doc iam just now getting into the world of tuning and boy let me tell you it can be so frustrating getting this stuff right.sometimes i really miss carburetors.

@Dachamp2001 2 жыл бұрын

By far the best tuner I use us the power vision 💪

@justanotherviewer52 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Doc. Great information as always. Stock works just fine for me. Plus a little extra chrome here and there.

@218422100 4 жыл бұрын

This is a FANTASTIC video and very cut and dry!!!!! I've had a ThunderMaxx on 2 of my Harley's and it never let me down. That's the only tunner I'll ever use. No matter you want to do with your bike that tunner can and will handle it....💯😎

@beeker3 2 жыл бұрын

I agree, Doc is informative and well spoken. Easy to understand. There is also this-.. "Magnusson-Moss Act". Then there is the EPA.

@roncoburn7771 4 жыл бұрын

On my 04 ultra I use the vision love it

@jpman6667 3 жыл бұрын

This is the year and bike I have, it works good you say?

@mrvoyagerm 3 жыл бұрын

I have a 2011 Ultra Classic with no changes and it runs perfectly. What can I say?

@user-io5dk9df2p 9 ай бұрын

Thanks Doc , You are a really big help for us green horns. Thank you!

@Mytwistedvoices 4 жыл бұрын

The best universal explanations have heard! Thanks!

@58astroboy 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Doc, it’s about time someone explained these tuners in a way most of us can understand. Is it true that after my bike is Dyno Tuned there is no need to touch anymore unless I get more work done to the motor. Rob in Australia

@Jayrock-ky2ky 4 жыл бұрын

I remember the days when you could spend 500 bucks on a set of pipes an air cleaner and some jets, i miss carburetors

@buyaqub 2 жыл бұрын

Doc, you make everything so simple and clear, thanks allot

@LowCountryHarleyDavidson 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment...Doc

@2468lion 4 жыл бұрын

I don't own a Harley, but this video has so much information great stuff. I enjoyed watching the whole video.

@gm2650 11 ай бұрын

Excellent advice! After initially changing to mild slip ons and the HD torque cam with the HD tuner I wasn't happy with the results. I did a lot of internet research and thought Thundermax might be the right solution. I ended up going to a local shop and he recommended the TTS tuner and explained why. I changed my setup to a D&D 2-1 pipe, Redshift 472 cam, bigger air cleaner, S&S manifold, etc and went with the recommended TTS tuner. The end result was a bike that runs great and suits my riding style. My takeaway was exactly what was suggested in this video, if you're changing your tune, talk to the person who will be doing the work, they know what works for them.

@LowCountryHarleyDavidson 11 ай бұрын

Thank you for your testimony…..Doc

@bigdawgqc 4 жыл бұрын

For the DYI person, the DynoJet Powervision, ordered from Fuel Moto is the best way to go. They have many more bike, air cleaner/exhaust combo specific canned maps than the FP3. I ran the FP3 on my last two bikes & it's a great product. But not as robust as the Powervision & Fuel Moto gives an extra year of warranty & support is terrific. Just my opinion & experience.

@tealbagger 4 жыл бұрын

I ran a Power Commander and FP3 on my FXDB and eventually went for the Powervision. When I bought my FXDLS the previous owner provided a TTS with it but still I cut the bs and went right for the Powervision this time like you said from FuelMoto. The unlimited map support alone is worth the money. PV is my goto recommendation for anybody regardless of how minimal they plan on going with their upgrades.

@RidinDad 4 жыл бұрын

Agreed! PV on my FXLRS and honestly a litt;e annoyed they didn't mention it on this video especially considering it's neck and neck with the FP3

@chuckluperful 4 жыл бұрын

Thx Doc great video,I am running the fuelpak on my 18 heritage Intake,exhaust, tq cam, and am pretty happy so far

@1320Exotic 4 жыл бұрын

Great Info, Thank You, Had a Zippers Injection Kit Put on My 01 HD Road King Police, it comes with the Thunder Max,talk about night and day. I have a Great Tuner locally.

@vanceburks5323 4 жыл бұрын

Great video! I like to hear more about the 4.5 screamingeagle street canons please!

@dwightraine9686 4 жыл бұрын

Vance Burks I have some street cannons on my 2019 CV O Rd. guide the street cannons are nice mufflers straight through nice exhaust sound but not very loud the good mufflers but if you want louder you may Want to go in a different direction

@richardedwin5980 4 жыл бұрын

Personally they're sub-standard at best. I "HAD" them in a 18 RGS with a Screamin Eagle Stage 3 build with FuelMoto Jackpot headers. Sound wise...I thought they sucked. Performance wise...eh. I used them plus the Pro Street tuner to stay in warranty and I got 114.3ft lb torque and 105hp. I just came out of factory warranty and installed the Vance & Hines Torquer 450 muffler and Zippers Redshift 468 cam and had it tuned using PowerVision. My numbers changed big time. I'm now pulling 134.97 lbs torque and 118hp. The Street Cannons are a Ford Pinto vs the V&H which are a Ford Mustang GT.

@harleydave2316 4 жыл бұрын

Good video. I have had the Harley tuner and the FP3 but in my experience, the best so far has been the Power Vision with a Fuel Moto map. Buyers be warned that the FP3 is fine for stage 1 but it has a very difficult time with stage 2 or higher...

@soldier09r Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this, Doc! Just ordered a Thundermax for my 22 Road Glide ST

@dennisjoya3735 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent vid, I'm new to the motorcycle world and this cleared up alot.

@BrewCityRider 4 жыл бұрын

Another great video Doc! I feel that the Fuelpak is the way to go for 90% of DIY riders.

@gaknskk 4 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I love mine on my 16 SGS. It's great for the person like me that cant afford to have all the upgrades done at once. A little here ,tweak, a little there ,tweak...

@neilbrown82 4 жыл бұрын

Dynojet power vision much more features....

@richardedwin5980 4 жыл бұрын

BrewCityRider FuelPack sucks. Seen it burn up too many cylinders

@gaknskk 4 жыл бұрын

@@@richardedwin5980 any one of them will do that when ya dont know how to use them properly.

@richardedwin5980 4 жыл бұрын

gaknskk this is true but I've seen more problems on bikes using the FuelPack than I have using say TTS, PowerVision etc

@samchavez8994 4 жыл бұрын

Fuel pak 3 for me love it best part if you need assistance the vendor is only. Phone call away send them the map they tweak it you use it and enjoy the results.

@DragonM109R 4 жыл бұрын

yes .. they are great.. and like you said.. you can download map to your phone and since its a smart phone you can send them the map and info on bike . they tweak it, send it back and you can then flash your ECM with the tweaked map.. also it can hold a few Maps in memory..

@DariuszWaszkiewicz 4 жыл бұрын

The bad part is that is not stable. The values change to previous ones in a random base, and populate large tables is a very uncomfortable thing. Both is from my personal experience with the FP3 after I do a little biggest change in my bike. Now I need to purchase a PV-1 and all is more easy and works as expected to works

@joshrandall5297 3 жыл бұрын

FP3 is a good product, but V&H tech support is terrible.

@ironkid8836 3 жыл бұрын

sounds good for d.i.y noob like me

@Liveharley1 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent explanation of tuners thank you

@GoldtopDude 3 жыл бұрын

Just watched this again.....thanks Doc

@fx802 4 жыл бұрын

This is why I like CV Carbs, less headaches!

@brianmaclennan561 4 жыл бұрын

Less power too

@ihatesjws669 4 жыл бұрын

Powervision is the best out there. Can only be beat by a tuner and his dyno.

@tylerfj24 4 жыл бұрын

yeah i was kinda surprised he didnt talk about PV.. arguably in the top 2 tuners on the market

@skippynj1979 4 жыл бұрын

Yup.. im a power vision guy..

@Ozzy2341 3 жыл бұрын

Thundermax is the best by far.

@MilkMan608 3 жыл бұрын

Power Vision beat out my experienced dealership dyno guy using a Harley Race Tuner. Thanks Fuel Moto.

@seanlloyd701 3 жыл бұрын

When I bought my sportster the bloke gave me a Dynojet Powervision. Just replaced my Rush slip-ons with Vance & Hines Straightshots. Thought I would hook up the Powervision to my computer and download the map for my new exhaust system which was on their website. It had the exact set up that I was now running so I downloaded it to the Powervision then I connected it to my bike then flashed the ecm. I watched a tutorial on how it's done and it was so simple. Bike runs like a dream and sounds awesome as well.

@24james Жыл бұрын

This is by FAR the best HD ECM/ECU tuner vid on KZfaq. Thank you for sharing your knowledge sir!💯🏍🔥🦾

@LowCountryHarleyDavidson Жыл бұрын

Wow, thanks!....Doc

@bryanpatrick2073 4 жыл бұрын

I've had Power Commanders on HD's for years with no problem. I've never seen any of the issues with it you have noted. My latest build I used a TTS and yep, it is a much better tuner than the Power Commander, but like I said, never had a problem with the Power Commander and I've used it on 3 bikes so far without issues.

@semperfipar1299 3 жыл бұрын

He is selling the Harley product. In other words he is full of the ---------.

@andrewhurd6660 2 жыл бұрын

@@semperfipar1299 what part of this video was he selling the Harley products? The only part I saw was if your still under warranty !!

@paulson9616 2 жыл бұрын

So correct me if I am incorrect here but basically what the doc stating that harley davidson ecm will shut down after year if PCV was installed fooling ecm?

@roadglide1142 4 жыл бұрын

Just leave it stock & enjoy the ride !

@Mongo11b 4 жыл бұрын

Haha haha. That’s a good one.

@normanmcneal3605 4 жыл бұрын

Daniel Monger too simple

@thomasborger6548 4 жыл бұрын

Hah! Worse advice has never been given.

@roadglide1142 4 жыл бұрын

I’m perfectly happy with the performance from my 107 . If I want speed I’ll drive my 6.4 Hemi! 😂

@thomasborger6548 4 жыл бұрын

@@roadglide1142 oh, a hemi you say. Well then...

@vinm3630 2 жыл бұрын

Very, Very well done. Informative and stresses the need for doing your own due diligence. Doc needs a raise even if he is making big bucks.

@ironsteed5766 4 жыл бұрын

Went with a stage 1 on my 17 RG. Vance and Hines pipes but SE tuner for warranty per dealer. Mild improvement on the M8 but very happy. I think the problems start when people start messing to much with engines. At my age i don't feel the need to go 100+mph on the frwy.

@08StreetGlide 4 жыл бұрын

I went with the ThunderMax....the cost of the TTS system plus to get the local dyno expert to tune my bike was very close to the cost of the ThunderMax. I did my research and installed it myself. No dyno required, and it is always searching for the correct fuel/air mixture for whatever conditions or altitude I'm at. From riding Beartooth Highway (14,000 ft) or on the coast it is in tune as opposed to the TTS where it "was in tune" the day you had it installed.

@Rokster9 4 жыл бұрын

So you're saying, if I swapped my exhaust from stock to v&h short shots or big radius while keeping the stock air cleaner, I don't need to tune? Not even with an FP3? I have a 2019 sportster 48.

@rebel_ltz 4 жыл бұрын

aDRIAN pAMINTUAN Yes.

@gaknskk 4 жыл бұрын

As long as your ok with the decel pop you will get then ya dont need one.

@getoffmygrass6974 4 жыл бұрын

Think of your engine as a big air pump which is restricting suction with the use of a stock A/C. Just because you add some sound doesn't mean you're pulling in more air. Exhaust only will change scavenging and may even hurt performance, probably not much if any depending on type.

@slypig513 3 жыл бұрын

Well that cleared up a bunch of questions....thanks doc.

@michaelhopper1340 Жыл бұрын

After many years of listening to different ppl talk about tuners and what does what,this short video has been the most informative one to date thanks for the very useful short video Doc... ive just subscribed to your channel look forward to many more helpful hints and tips 👍

@LowCountryHarleyDavidson Жыл бұрын

Thank you Michael….Doc

@johnnyturbo8460 4 жыл бұрын

Also you need to call and ask your performance parts company and ask them what tuner works best with their product. Example: Rhinehart recommends Power Vision... and man does it work!!!! Bottom Line have it Dyno Tuned

@Itsme-mx5tl 4 жыл бұрын

TTS for the WIN!!!

@hurttech7593 4 жыл бұрын

TBH TTS kinda sucks. Very old tech. PowerVision is the best for the money followed by FP3. Everything else for the most part is cumbersome junk.

@Ancasterboy 2 жыл бұрын

He’s incredible, love his advice and information

@LowCountryHarleyDavidson 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you...Doc

@johnmauriello1185 2 жыл бұрын

great video doc......i just put my thunder max on my 2007 road king custom.... over the years i have added true duel rinehearts , 50 mm throttle body.... 110 converstion kit, and screaming eagle heavy breather.....they did not have my exact map so i called thudermax and they recommended map 810.... the only thing i had trouble with was when it asked me if i had automatic compression releases (ARS)... i said no...... ... i hope i did it right but i was thinking about bringing it to you all to double check.... i seems to idle a little higher then before ... but as you said the more you ride it better it will get... thanks again for the great video

@chuckcosta9332 3 жыл бұрын

I removed my Cat~Converter, put on V&H Twin Slash slip-ons, stage #1 & a PC~5 and it starts great & has for 6 years now! You have some good info, but it is not always correct!

@TwanNikaLs 3 жыл бұрын

How much do you ride? That’s probably why you haven’t had a issue 7 years and only ride it 15 times ? Just saying

@chuckcosta9332 3 жыл бұрын

@@TwanNikaLs LMAO, unlike you I am not a bar hopper! I ride on an average of 13,500 miles a year! LMAO, go get on your moped!

@TwanNikaLs 3 жыл бұрын

Yea I’ll go get on my paid off 2019 road glide moped lol

@chuckcosta9332 3 жыл бұрын

@@TwanNikaLs Keep dreaming Twinkie!

@TwanNikaLs 3 жыл бұрын

Yea o.k I don’t have to dream about getting money home boy I’m 100 percent the truth

@Logan-or5qw 4 жыл бұрын

Fool me once Shame on you Fool me twice Shame on me Fool me three times Its time to Change brands. I'm starting to rethink getting an aftermarket exhaust. If the exhaust didn't look so hideous on my Fat Bob I wouldn't worry about changing it out. I like the Vance & Hines Slash cut short shots. They look & sound Awesome!

@JIMBOBALOU 4 жыл бұрын

If your gonna spend a lot of money on a full exhaust system. Go with a 2 into 1. They provide better performance than any duel exhaust system.

@1Bigduff 4 жыл бұрын

Great video and topic. Badly needed info for people out there. Would love an in depth tuning video from you. Yes, I am a complete nerd for this stuff :). Thanks again.

@vics.1176 4 жыл бұрын

This was an AWESOME video. Doc? Thanks, man. You’re a master!

@davidmoore9449 4 жыл бұрын

Just adding slips ons and air. Should I just have the dealer re map?

@emilgeorge35 4 жыл бұрын

That was clearly covered in in the video.

@richardedwin5980 4 жыл бұрын

Emil George people just don't pay attention

@craigjarboe2834 4 жыл бұрын

At the 2:15 mark he does start to address the issue of adding exhaust and an air cleaner. He then talks about needing a turner. However, I believe there is a less expensive option that he omits and that is the dealer downloading a possible map directly to the ECM. This is usually less costly than buying a tuner if H-D has created a map for the particular exhaust and air cleaner that you are using. Not sure why Doc didn't elaborate on this option.

@scrumthebum2451 4 жыл бұрын

I get a kick out of these m8’s. guys spending huge money on kits but if it’s got a Harley tuner top speed is only 110 mph 😆 Mine is twin cam is limited at 160 mph with power vision

@Fred-gh4lq 4 жыл бұрын

LMAO, 160mph on a Harley. That'll be the day!

@scrumthebum2451 4 жыл бұрын

Fred I didn’t say it will go 160 I said it’s limited at 160 mph. But it will go much faster than 112 mph that the m8’s are limited at.

@jeffhelm7581 4 жыл бұрын

dude, w/ the FP3 you can turn off that limiter. I walk on stock M8's all the time....the look on their face is priceless!

@scrumthebum2451 4 жыл бұрын

Jeff Helm My TC was limited at 115 from factory. the power vision raised it to 160 mph. Not sure if the limit came from dyno jet or fuel Moto who I bought the powervision from. Are you saying a fp3 takes the limit of the m8 ? Because I heard you can’t override the m8 ECM. Don’t know if that’s true.

@jackbigley2895 2 жыл бұрын

this guy exudes trust and honesty.

@LowCountryHarleyDavidson 2 жыл бұрын

Jack you are too kind, Thank you....Doc

@srok62 3 жыл бұрын

Great, clear explanation. Didn't know about bringing your bike back to the shop to commit the TMax map.

@stevemoriarity860 4 жыл бұрын

The only thing I put on my bikes are miles.

@strongoutfront921 4 жыл бұрын

Why would I use tune on a bike manufacturer’s product that’s not capable to make a timing/cam chain tensioner??😜😂

@1957eberhart 4 жыл бұрын

they have not made spring tension cam shoes in 14 years get out of your parent basement and turn off fox news

@strongoutfront921 4 жыл бұрын

j Eber I rest my case! Lol

@110665 4 жыл бұрын

@@1957eberhart MAGA

@beeoly6064 2 жыл бұрын

This should be shown to future teachers. Amazing way to explain. Captivating, motivating. This shows again: you need to know what you’re talking about to make it understandable to others.

@LowCountryHarleyDavidson 2 жыл бұрын

Bee thank you...Doc

@anthonypenna5961 9 ай бұрын

Doc thx you nailed it now I understand exactly what I need.

@fredb5987 4 жыл бұрын

Doc your great love your videos but Harley just wants to over charge you for there crap💩

@jeffreyengle2762 4 жыл бұрын

I chose the best ..... cheapest..... left it alone... stock. Let’s face it, Harley has enough of my hard earned money.

@swartzkrautheim 4 жыл бұрын

The best😂 you mean the epa compliant lean as fuck tune??? Lol

@mikeschultz4711 2 жыл бұрын

The Doc is the best information on you tube Thanks Doc …

@oldroywilson8564 4 жыл бұрын

Another reason new Harley sales are tanking and change in leadership is happening too. No way in hell I’d buy a new bike at these ludicrous prices and then be pigeon holed into Harley “performance” parts. There is a reason why second hand Harley’s are selling faster than new ones. Best tuner has been the dynojet power vision. If you want a real tune get that. As well dynoed.

@hillbillyhicks8102 4 жыл бұрын

Don't understand why people get mad over the warranty being voided if you modify there product while it's in warranty. It goes the same for just about any of the company's out there. When I work at a Ford dealership they would void warranty if car or truck was modified. So what's the difference?

@oldroywilson8564 4 жыл бұрын

Hillbilly Hicks People get mad because Harley of today has turned their back to the people that made their company. The penny pinching, and trying every-which way to screw over the customer. It did not used to be this way if you have been a Harley owner for more than 5-10 years. Harley was not a car dealership and did not operate that way. This warranty BS did not used to be this way. As well, it’s not just a tuner warranty issue. There have been countless times as of late Harley has tried their hardest to not honor a warranty or repair a problem with their failed drive trains. That has nothing to do with aftermarket changes to those components. I’m calling a spade a spade. If others want to drink the coolaid so be it. It’s a sham for Harley to sell anything performance because they are restricted by EPA. And to charge a customer an arm and a leg who does not know any better for some fake performance upgrade, it’s a joke. Harley is falling apart for these reasons and countless others. Have you seen their sales number? Shareholder prices? CEO? There is a reason this stuff is happening.

@SmokeRingsPipeDreams 4 жыл бұрын

"Black Flagging" customers motorcycles, one more way that Harley is destroying it's customer base.

@Dimage666 4 жыл бұрын

Well. I for one understand them. If you use a tuner that will change the signals from the HD system you don´t know what will happend to the bike in the long run. So HD don´t want ppl coming in saying something is wrong with their "stock" Harley... It´s just comon sence for a Company. Protect your Product.

@Dimage666 4 жыл бұрын

None HD tuner that is..

@Hoyt1911A1 4 жыл бұрын

This was a required action forced on Harley when the Obama administration's EPA sued them. They got backed into a corner and had to agree to this practice as part of the settlement. I think John Maxwell explained it pretty good on one of his videos.

@dcccharles4569 6 ай бұрын

Excellent video presented by an amiable knowledgeable, gifted teacher and communicator.

@LowCountryHarleyDavidson 6 ай бұрын

Wow, thank you!…..Doc

@napster2576 4 жыл бұрын

Great video DOC!!, Crystal clear

@russellwalker3837 4 жыл бұрын

you shouldn't need a tuner. for the explosive cost we pay for harleys, they should be pushing 120 hp. out the door when new from the factory. just another way they stick it to us. won't buy another.