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Don't get me wrong autistic people do have meltdowns but i think once you get older like he is meltdowns arent that often

Apparently I heard that they got their information about autism from Autismspeaks, and if you know what that site says well...

I'm autistic and this show is hilarious with how bad it is

@@bros402 i often wobdered how he made it through medical school with all his sensory and social issues at once. I mean i cant deal with loud noises very well and overly bright light, but i can f.e. deal with mildly new situations ok but i need a wing man i can trust than all is ok. or at least have someone drive with me a new Bus Route or situation that is too overwhelming alone. I learnd from pretty young , that nobody will help me. So learned the hard Way ignoring my neurodiversity and be like everybody else , after my diagnosis with 30 it was too late anyway to make huge changes here. I went on with masking untill today, i have to be like everbody wants me to be. So i rarely go out because it drains me , i love meeting people and have no serious social anxity anymore. But it takes all your energy esp. when dealing with authoritys, laws and burocracy. Went this far i became very ill and i had to do all this things on my own , no help from family that needed . I deal with this i have accepted it my fate or some kind of test i have to stand . How long i can go untill someone needs to scratch my body from the road , where i have fainted. In my head constantly plays the " what can go wrong, how i need to react " program when i'm alone in daily life. I relax a bit more when im around friends who als have a look of a crowded situation

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I am assuming you can sea your way out

If he was a melee weapon, he’d be a bludgeon

If he was a bird he’d be a pigeon 🐦

If he was a car, he'd be a'mergin'

I agree somewhat

Clearly

I AM A SURGEON!!

Sam needs a raise lmao

@@NovaissueI agree!

??? wdym

Is it "give the editor a raise" type of comment?

@@BorisKotkovyes

I am too, but I’m interested in how vehicles work, like the engine components, suspension, or anything that has to do with vehicles.

Yeah, me too. I'm interested mostly in tech/programming. And that happens when my core believes or my core knowledge are confronted without reason or logic! I had my electricity cut off, and I tried to explain to the technician that I need electricity to work in home, he just cut it without previous notice. I just meltdown repeating that I need to work.

I’m also Autistic! A big interest in anything biological and microscopic, though im not always 100% accurate, i’d say i have my fair share of knowledge amongst many related topics ^^

Hey, I'm not trying to be rude, but why penguins in specific? Can you explain? I have autism and the world is pretty difficult to understand (kind of), and I find penguins pretty boring

I LOVE PENGUINS OMG

I've read a lot of stories like this one. I feel like women need to express their pain or suffering in a certain way to be heard. Women who can't scream anymore because of having too much pain, will be put away as exaggerating... It's so sad. This really should change

I have had issues with not being heard at the doctors especially at the hospital a few times. The most recent was after my tonsillectomy. We discussed what my sign would be to them to get me started on pain management when I came out and they kept ignoring me as I would update them that my pain had gotten worse. I ended up sobbing and my husband was begging for me so that they would go get me pain meds. It was horrible! I dread to think how bad their care is for people with much bigger problems than tonsillectomy pain.

I'm a man, but I always have to go through this as well whenever I need help, most recently this year. Often my mum helps convincee doctors to do something. So no, men don't get treated differently.

@@OneKnifeYeHand I completely agree, I’ve seen this happen to my husband a bunch too! For a while he just stopped going to the doctor because he’d been brushed off so many times. Luckily the last time I got him to go he found a good doctor who listened and worked on fixing his problems.

Yeah srsly, you really shouldn't have to be crying and screaming in order to get proper treatment. My dad often has chest infections and always takes antibiotics for them since there isn't much else he can do. They go away after a while but from what I know, theres like the few little things that trigger it again. A month or so ago, he felt a chest infection happening again, and because hes had it so often, he knows what it is without needing a disgnosis, but when he went to the doctors to get medicine, they wouldn't give it to him just because they didn't really think it was an infection. My dad really tried telling them it was because he knows the feeling by now and I'm pretty sure my mum tried telling them too but idk Its frustrating seeing stuff like that happen a lot. But in the end, the people with higher power and education who we rely on, are just as human as us in the end. They can be horrible and make many mistakes, their professions don't give them any exception to the natural nature of humanity

Lots of fat people die because drs look at weight first. I have very little trust in drs because of this.

@@joluvya which is why it's really important for people to have a healthy weight

@@anthosm Because Doctors are stupid?

Weight change that doesn't correlate with your behaviour is always something that needs to be looked into. They always talk about sudden weight loss and cancer or thyroid issues. But the other way around is also worrying (although more rare)

@@anthosm It's not even that, there are enough dokus of people having big legs and you can see they are small on the top part and doctors still said it's because of weight and not, in this example case, because of lymphedema. Many doctors just have one solution and that's it. When it's weight, then it's easy even though there are numerous illnesses that have no correlation to the weight. Being obese support many illnesses but it can't be that a person will not be further looked at once they are thicker than normal

They start as birthmarks and grow into neurofibromas over time. *Only* if you have neurofibromatosis.

Damn, just converted to proper units and it is heavier than me

@@mlee6050 What does 'proper units' mean in this context? I'm assuming it means a certain kind, but I've never heard the term before so it just sounded hilariously like you hated lbs in particular LOL

@@solitarelee6200 I know kg more, as not remember the ounce, pound, stone and how many in each, I know it is like 2.2lb to 1kg

Dont mind me, just panic googling this while trying not to worry about the birthmark on my own lower back.

That's so sad. I wonder if it would be different if you were a man. Doctors really should be more aware of their own judgement and be more objective/fair

Same here. I always have to fight SO HARD. We shouldn`t have to get more stressed and sick to get the help we need and fckn deserve as human beings.. yet we`re forced to do so. It`s sickening, both figuratively AND literally.

I had an issue with my uterus. It was not doing me any favors to keep it, was incapable of carrying a pregnancy and was slowly killing me. It took me TEN YEARS to get a doctor that would give me the treatment I actually needed.

I'm a man and I'm not disabled, but I always have to go through this as well whenever I need help, most recently this year. Often my mum helps convincee doctors to do something. So no, men don't get treated differently.

why would it be different. Quit acting like women have it harder than men, like come on now@@Eet0saurus

Aren't all conditions bad? Why are we trying to say any of them are good? "Hey guys, I have diabetes. It's awesome. It's my super power." 🤦🏻‍♂️ Yall are letting your bleeding hearts eat your brains.

@@lococomrade3488 Well, diabetes is just bad and thats it, but if you're like Shaun (autistic with Savant Syndrom) then you are worse at some things (like social skills) but better at others (performing surgery, perfect memory). Having people whos brains are "specialized" like that can actually benefit society as well. Thats why I dont think Shauns condition is "bad". That's Savant Syndrom though, might be different for ordinary autism...

Doctor Mike's explanation is not great, but it's not outright inaccurate and still have a caring approach to it. I don't blame him, tho, how much can you actually explain of such a complicated condition when it's just a few minutes at the end of a video? So long our humanity ain't stripped I'm good with most of it.

@@Marcel-yu2fw we're just like regular people in that different autistic individuals have different needs and interests. shaun is a stereotype of autism and really shouldn't be used as a base of accuracy in any degree.

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@Marcel-yu2fw as someone on the spectrum, I can say that I definitely have trouble reading social cues and with my emotions and that it an issue you cannot easily overcome. However, many of us develop the ability to ’mask’, which means carefully observing how other people act and mimicking that. It’s one of the reasons why autistic women are often misdiagnosed or are diagnosed late in life, because, other than the ‘typical symptoms’ being male-oriented, women are more likely to ’mask’, not to say that men don’t either. In Shaun’s case, it’s still possible to appreciate his input, however, he’s not someone anyone would actually want to be. And, if he had managed to get that far, then he certainly would not have as much trouble controlling his emotions, because someone who struggled that much would unfortunately not get that far. The issue is that Shaun has clearly been unable to learn enough emotional control to survive medical school, let alone residency. Yes, autism and other neurodivergencies are beneficial to society (my city has a significant engineering presence and has one of the highest rates of autism in the country - autistic people move here for work, then have families), but you do need people skills to do a job like that. It’s a big issue that TV only seems to show either the severe cases or Savants, because it creates a massively negative perception. You can admire a Savant, but you don’t want to be one, as they are portrayed in the media. And being unable to understand social cues can be incredibly frustrating, especially when you find it difficult to express your own emotions. I live in the UK, and sarcasm is a daily thing. I had to learn to smile to convey when I was being sarcastic or joking, because I cannot express it well in my tone of voice. We all have our own strengths, but unfortunately some of us struggle to connect so much that we are not suited for people-facing jobs. Of course, Shaun was just a bad representation, regardless. The section which was made into a meme basically erased any good he did as a character and made him infantile. Most of us have some level of social anxiety and would know that repetition is infantile, and not something you want to convey when you are trying to express how professional you are. And, for the range of autism capable of passing med school, most can probably either control their emotions or are just good enough at it not to throw a hissy fit. After all, even for neurotypical people, med school is stressful enough to necessitate that level of emotional control. Of course, this is a presentation made in collaboration with the asshats at Autism Speaks. Shaun is presented as nothing but a new opinion and a problem. If they wanted to show a positive presentation of autism, then they should consider the fact that when we do make bonds with people, we cherish them sincerely, because they are that much more precious and are hard-won. Or, that we can in fact be very sympathetic. And many other things besides.

It’s the same thing here in the us, doctors don’t listen if your tests are normal, even when you know something is wrong

@@ALDCBoulevard 1000000% in agreeance with this! I'm struggling with my health as it is right now (i'm in the US) and i've had multiple MRI's on my head to try to figure out wtf is going on. Most of those MRIs have said that I have this condition and I've accepted that I have that because it 100% explains what's going on with me. It practically fit my symptoms to a T. But now this recent MRI is saying that i do NOT have that condition and now we're in a state when i am mentally deteriorating with no explanation and have tried many different drugs and procedures without going extreme. I'm at the point of losing my mind and just wanted to break down because of it all and my doctors don't listen to me. Just to go through all the medical stuff that's going on through me, I've gone through so many specialists for these issues. If they do listen, it feels like it's more managing the symptoms than finding what the root cause is and treating that.

​@@ALDCBoulevard Its dependent on the doctor. My family has seen good doctors and abd doctors. Currently we found a great doctor after our old one retired. They take their time talking to you, discussing how your feeling, what options there are, and gauging the values of each option. And if what's going on moves beyond their expertise, they're pretty good and pointing you to a specialist. So don't generalize.

@@justinmcgough3958 you’re definitely right, there are plenty of good doctors out there. It’s just really frustrating when you’re sick and in pain, and doctors don’t seem to listen. It took me finding a good neurologist to actually get a diagnosis. I just wish there were more doctors out there who actually want to help

Exactly. In the UK you have to beg to even be SEEN by a doctor. Getting medical treatment? Unless you’re literally dying, and even then, you’re not getting seen.

I hope your surgery went smooth and was not too stressful!

@@mollusckscramp4124 Thank you so much! It did. I have a scar that is from my sternum all the way down pasty belly button. I call it my survivor scar. 🤣

Was it painful?

Fr. This kind of thing happens in real life far too often and it’s heartbreaking.

Shame they have no NHS in the USA

IKR? It's so frustrating that I can't even describe it. I fell through the cracks and never got diagnosed until adulthood with ADHD and Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome (the latter is still being tested, but clinical signs are positive). I'm also (most likely) on the Autism Spectrum, but no money left for testing 😅. Here in Spain, doctors usually think you're either seeking drugs, attention, or documents to get social benefits as a (falsely) disabled person. Some people are, but most are just desperate for help and some quality of life.

I'm very sorry for your loss. May his memory be a blessing.

I’m so sorry for ur loss. May he rest in peace 🕊️❤️🙏. But if u don’t mind me asking. When was this?

I'm so sorry for your loss.

Oh, I am so very sorry for your loss. I hate it when doctors make mistakes and it ends up killing someone…

I am so sorry for your loss!! I have NF1 and that has been a fear of mine.

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You better be happy you ain't on the streets lil n world

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​@@6969Sarazzcould be

Yeah, we're all lucky to have Dr. Shaun Murphy.

If you watched that episode in full, all viewpoints are presented equally. Dr. Marcus tells his viewpoint(which you copied here, classic internet comment), and Dr Lim presented hers. If you can't find something to refute Dr Lim, why are you trying to do?

​@@neeladrireddy3068autistic

But is he

He is a metalpipe

If you’re talking about Dr. Mike, he’s actually a family medicine doctor not a surgeon

@@mrjunkpunk3207he's talking about Shawn Murphy that plays a surgeon on the good doctor

I would have a break down too and Im not even autistic! Imagine busting your ass through hs, then college then medical school all for someone who cant handle autism take that all away from you? I would definitely lose it too.

​@@chelseaaguilar2525it's not just someone but the public he serves. Like Dr. mike pointed out, you can't really fault him. Bedside manners matter and is something that is focused on during residency

Had not heard of RSD. Will have to research this.

As an autistic person ive never heard of RSD but upon doing some research that is exactly what ive been struggling with for my whole life

THANK YOU! Someone with a brain, someone who understands. The comments are full of IDIOTS trying to slam the show for the meltdown.

I've had a couple meltdowns at work. It was after Very long shifts when I didn't get to clock out when I was originally scheduled to.

Im autistic and once had a screaming meltdown when my brother opened one of my boxes of Girl Scout cookies. He had three cookies out of the box. My method of not overeating involves not opening things until I am ready to eat them and then I eat and eat until it’s all gone. Since he opened them I had to eat them and I wasn’t ready to! The meltdown came as a huge shock to my family since I am ‘high functioning’ and had never had a meltdown like that before

I'm not autistic but sometimes I do have meltdowns. Should I be worried, or is this like, common for everybody?

​@@mayxy69Sometimes people can think that they are behaving a meltdown, but actually are just having a panic or anxiety attack. Maybe, if the symptoms get worse, or it affects other people negatively, then you should see a specialist.

oh, okay, thanks leah

😂😂😂😂

I mean, it is fair to point out that surgeons have certain expectations they need to live up to. I don't know pretty much anything about the Good Doctor, but being a surgeon isn't something everyone can do to begin with, no matter how much they want to or how much work they put in. That's just life sometimes. That said, I think Dr. Han's handling of the situation was callous, condescending, and entirely lacking in empathy. He didn't even try to sit down with Sean and go over the options to figure out what department he'd want to be moved to, if anywhere. You know, the way I assume he would with anyone else he wants to transfer. He made the decision for Sean, instead of treating him with basic human respect and talking to him about it. I'm not autistic, and yet I would also have gone off on him for that. Hell, I'd have reacted pretty much the same way as you to that promotion thing. Honestly, I don't put much stock in that flowery "we love diversity" rhetoric to begin with. It's marketing, and it's a way to divert attention from real issues in the workplace. Actually, this need to walk on eggshells with autistic individuals, to avoid offending them, that some people feel is a part of the issue. If someone doesn't know where social boundaries are, telling them when they exceed them-calmly, respectfully, and politely-is crucial. Doesn't matter if they're autistic, or just ignorant of the manners expected in a certain environment or culture. If they don't know what they've done wrong, how they offended someone, how can they possibly learn from it? TL;DR, the issue is that some people treat those with autism like they're less than human, or like they're children (who most people also unnecessarily talk down to). Personally, I've gotten pretty far by doing the opposite. Treat them like people, have some empathy, try to be understanding of their quirks where you can be, and things will work out a lot better.

so the higher-ups play favorites and ignore all the clear signs of an unstable person?

And then Shaun later melts down in a surgical room, proving Dr. Han right...

Han doesnt fire Shaun for his "condition"; Han fires him because his erratic behaviour and meltdown.

he was only angry cause of the blatant discrimination putting him on other tasks when he is the best of the best there.@@tenguman66 honesty I would have screamed at him to.

My favorite! 🤣🤣🤣

@lilyrosegretchen I know right, I laughed my ass off.

That has to be my favorite part of the video

I'm also autistic and I have ADHD as well. I watched the show before I got my diagnosis and there are many things I relate too with Shaun, (like lights making noise, difficulties with eyecontact, social ques) but there are also things that can be very hurtful. I'm pretty high functioning, so I haven't had public mentdowns like this in a long time. I think the main problem is that Shaun is portrayed as very stereotypical in his autism. It's a very small niche of autistic people that act like him. And the show also says that Shaun is high functioning, which I wouldn't really agree with, and they almost equal autism to savantism. I do appreciate the shows attempt at highlighting our condition, but it could've been done better.

I have spent time in Brazil (I'm from the US), and in my time there, I noticed a marked difference between the acceptance of differences in ability from those where I'm from. Many otherwise very kind Brazilian friends of mine would react very strongly and negatively towards people with disabilities or obvious neurodivergent behaviors. It shocked me having grown up in an integrated school system with a nextdoor neighbor who had a genetic abnormality (similar to Downs). I've always wondered if that was just my unique experience or not.

Yeah. I feel like the original Korean version might be better at that.

I'm autistic too, and Brazilian too. And even that is very rare, I still face meltdowns like Shaun's eventually. I don't get why so many people hate this show, for me it depicts most what was my life from 18's to 30's.

​@@merrygrammarian1591 As a Brazilian, I can tell you that our society is high-social demanding. For us autists it is a hell in life, because everything here has tons of social cues. I spent almost 20 years training face patterns recognition because I lack a automatic one in my brain, and I'm still mocked when I don't get the right context from peoples expression. I live in southern Brazil were most people has a more neutral way to express, but when I lived in another state, with another culture, people just smile a lot even when sad, I found myself lost in the communications.

What??? That's wild.😵😵

I taught high school and caught at least one of my freshmen sneakily watching this in my class. DR MIKE WHY HAVE YOU BETRAYED ME!?

Agreed, I recently watched the new Avatar trailer and saw that Daniel Dae Kim was in it, I decided to look up some videos of him in action and after watching this, I think he'll do a good job playing Ozai lol.

I think they were trying to show how Dr. Han was discriminating against Shaun. He looks like the guy that if a neurotypical doctor yells at a patient, for instance, he’d say that they’re burned out. But if an autistic doctor yelled not even in front of a patient bc of being unfairly treated, they’re being unprofessional. I can’t remember his reasons tho, I saw the episode ages ago

@@angelavaleriamedina oh definitely, I know that was the intent, and I don't doubt actual neurodivergent folks face this kind of discrimination in real life. I have just seen farrrrrrr worse public behavior from health care folks. Burnout is definitely a factor, but permissiveness and turning a blind eye to bad behavior is an even bigger one.

god im glad i dont, my brain does not need any help remembering my most embarassing moments like they happened yesterday 🤧

​@@ronil2186You mean you don't?

I also wished that I do have a photographic memory ✨

Hello fellow NF Person!

I remember that case. But, unlike the patient shown in this episode--a happy and healthy actor with a special-effects blob over his abdomen--she was an emaciated wreck because the growth was hogging all her nutrients while contributing nothing. “Benign” doesn’t always mean harmless. A year after surgery, she was plump and healthy.

It was probably Dr McKay McKinnon. He’s world renowned for removing huge tumors.

he really does!

It's quite funny

If I ever get them removed, I'm stealing this. Maybe a different animal since I don't want to give sharks a bad name.

​@@sleepyote I would too but my only one so far is so clearly a surgical scar I don't think anyone would believe me.

Mine was because I took an arrow to the knee.

@@keaphoto1 did you used to be an adventurer?

@@raeraebadfingers well, I dont want to brag, but when I was younger, I could have gone pro. ( Stupid orcs.....I mean it was dark, I dont know what I saw) I have seen my fair share of castles and Inns though.

​​@@AKindOfDogI believe the intended purpose of the episode was to show that the MC tendency to look at things objectively and/or in the literal sense wasn't always beneficial to his patients. The MC not understanding the nuance of sex and gender could not look past his objective understanding of sex which was that their were only 2, a male and female which is assigned to a person at birth and so is ignorant of the concept of transgenderism. He is suppose to be taught throughout the episode on the matter. The MC wasn't suppose to come off as being purposefully transphobic and excusing his transphobism via his autism, but the bad writing kinda makes it seem that way.

Frankly the concept that an extremely well-educated medical doctor would be that ignorant about how sex works, "because autism means you see black and white lol!" show how poorly the show understands the concept of autism. Actually autistic people are statistically more like to be trans in some way, to the point there is an entire gender of people who feel like their autism EFFECTS their understanding of their own gender. And a medical doctor, particularly one shown to know so much about the human body, would be well aware that sex is also a spectrum, and about the many (non-consentual) surgeries performed on intersex infants. A medical doctor SHOULD be aware there is more to sex than that, especially one shown to be as well-read and interested in the human body. Someone with a medical special interest not having more than a middle school biology understanding of the human sex spectrum is goddamn absurd. So like the person above me said, just terrible writing across the board in a lot of ways.

Kinda the point of what I was thinking. Mr. Murphy is pretty rude with some of the stuff he says can and does. It's always excuse due to his autism. I watch the show. It's background noise for me. The writing, along with some of the choices made are iffy at best and terrible at worst

​@@solitarelee6200You can't say Autistics are more likely to be Trans because there are still a lot of people unaccounted for. And the spectrum runs from Autistic to Aspergers the latter of which is what I am. Genderism is very complex as what we forget is some animals have an active gene that allows them to change sex in response to a lack of the other. So this gene is inactive in other species but for some amongst each species they could be receiving hormones that genetically cause the reality of being a different gender to the body.

The thing is, if any other doctor had made the mistakes shaun made, they would be fired. It’s not specifically because he’s autistic.

I dont think so, but i do think they have to be offered a place/get a placement and if they dont they can get forced to switch, or atleast change hospital. But i really dont think anyone above them can make that decision for them when they already have a placement. Also this for Shaun is like he has trained for and eduated to drive the crane and build a house, and then the boss comes and tells him to clean the bathroom and says thats all he will do.. sure someone has to do it, but its not what he wants or has trained for and he has every right to be pissed off!

I doubt it.

It wasn't a forced switch but what is considered a soft termination. He is no longer a surgeon due to poor fit, and given an alternative suitable role, to which he declined which ultimately means he resigns without any job.

One angle I kinda felt like the show didn't consider is also whether or not Dr. Hans treatment of Shaun could make the Hospital liable for a discrimination lawsuit, considering how Han specifically singled out a surgical resident for his legally acknowledged disability.

Apparently, it's different in a TV hospital setting.

He was transferred to the Pathology dept.

@@syediftikharali8771 He was then fired after having had his meltdown.

completely agree!

completely agree!

I've watched a lot of the show, and watched it before I realized I myself am autistic. It is highly _highly_ stereotypical. It leans into savantism so hard it might as well be sitting on it. Shaun looks more like a caricature of what neurotypicals think autistics look like, than anything close to a real autistic person. He's really just a kinda awkward guy who has sensory issues when the plot calls for it. Don't recommend.

@@DreamtaleEnjoyer I relate to some of what I’ve seen of the show but definitely not all. It is very savant-heavy more than autism.

Daniel Dae Kim its not only a executive producer, besides he is the shows co-creator, in association with David Shore

Fun fact, Dr. Surgeon is played by the same guy who played Norman Bates in Bates Motel

​@@dahakaguardianofthetimelin4780maybe Norman is on the spectrum llol

And the voice of Metron in Justice League Unlimited.

That's so cool! Loved playing the first two Saints Row games, and Johnny was one of my favorite characters

Fun fact: I’m here and I’m played by me

yes! also (im 100% sure im autistic) i dont see how he was wrong or too much at all. He was constantly trying and learning and they just kept pushing him down and tell him that he could not do what he wanted to do, he was passionate and fighting for what he wanted and believed in! yes he made people uncomfortable and he had things he needed to work on, but he could and did learn. Also i hardly think every single neurotypical doctor is so great at handle their emotions and be good with patients.. I have met many doctors and more than a few has been complete *sses.

True.

Yes! I am autistic, but in that situation I believe literally anyone could react that way (or even more strongly).

I'm autistic. And for meltdowns I ask people to imagine this situation. Imagine that you are trying to prove to a person that you exists, but the person does not acknowledge you. You keep trying to say that you exists, you are a human. But the person(with a very bad behaviour) just ignores like you are not there. You keep trying, your brain start to loose itself in desperation by the lack of acceptable feedback. You try to scream, you start to automatic start to make faces in a attempt to communicate. Eventually you just start to cry and repeat that you exists. This is mostly what I feel on meltdowns. Even that I only acknowledged(experience the feeling) long after the meltdown ends!

True but still, getting emotional and crying a bit is a BIG difference compared to having a full blown screaming meltdown. As a surgeon you're supposed to be able to handle such stressful situations in a professional way and Sean clearly couldn't, hence the decision from the other doctor