9:18 There are already memes with three Sutekhs sitting on three Tardises in "Day of the Doctor" looking at each other like, "Uh, is it time to kill everyone yet?"

Paula asking if Mrs flood isn't a bad guy seconds after she threatens to take over the kingdom of God is quite funny.

As someone who has lost a child (still birth) the moment where the kind lady realised her baby was already dead and she had forgotten really hit me. Really powerful scene… along with Ruby reuniting with her birth mum those were the best scenes in the episode.

The Oodsphere? It's dead, Doctor. The Daleks? They're dead too, Doctor. Gallifrey? It's dead, Doctor, everything is dead. Doctor, everything is dead.

Anybody else see the piles of dust and think "They're all dead, Dave", or was that just me?

All those piles of dust make me think of Red Dwarf “Why is it so dirty around here? What is this stuff?” “*That* is Kate Lethbridge Stewart.”

I don’t think Ruby’s family plot is nearly over because her dad is named William, and the most dangerous prime minister is named Roger “son of William.” And her stepdad was “trouble” and her dad never found out about Ruby. She wanted answers about her family and the TV showed her Roger App William. I don’t think her plot payoff was unsatisfactory, I think her plot just hasn’t payed off yet.

Don’t assume that Mrs Flood is a reliable narrator. RTD confirmed that Ruby will be back next season and that there is more to her story. Because there are still so many questions.

Looking back on the series I'm wondering if it was deliberate foreshadowing with things like "So I'm going to find the naughty doggo and tell him off" - Eric, Space Babies, and (from @anonagain) "My dog is alive, he's not dead'. The Beatles, Devils Chord

Everyone's reaction to when we thought Kate was dead shows how much we've all fallen in love with her

People are totally misunderstanding the 2046 thing. Ruby's extended life and her defeat of Ap Gwilliam happened in different timeline, a pocket universe, whatever. When it ended, she and the Doctor went back to where they started; and Ap Gwilliam is still destined to come to power.

As RTD points out, Seasons 1 and 2 were commissioned simultaneously, so the big plan is across 16 rather than 8 episodes (Christmas notwithstanding). It seems obvious now that Mrs Flood is the key to a lot of it. So, however incomplete this feels, perhaps we shouldn't devote all our mental runtime to it. If, right at the end, it looks like Sutekh's dinner, that's another issue.

Our expectations were not too high because RTD is the one who set them that high. HE set all that up.

Mrs Flood was dressed as Clara, but at the end of the episode she was dressed as Romana from the classic series... which is interesting.

When the Doctor says Ruby changed how he talks about family, I think he specifically means his past family - Susan, Gallifrey, his orphan status. And it is true that he dumped all of that on Ruby immediately, while previous companions had to drag such details out of him (or her) one piece at time. I think him bonding with Ruby over being orphans is one reason for that. I would however also count his healing phase as 14 and the generally unpredictable personality shifts from regeneration. (Heads-up: You misspelled your channel name in the footer of the video.)

The Doctor always reminisced about family, that "they were asleep in his mind" and he "only saw them when he really wanted to". The Doctor never talked about WANTING to go see Susan again. THAT is due to Ruby...

To Paula's point about the companions and being special, it almost feels like in many of the classic Doctor stories, it was "Wait, you're still here?" and with NuWho, it feels like "Oh my God, It's YOU! You're HERE!" 😅

The Dr interacts with someone KLS: Hey you want a job?

My head cannon for why the Doctor called himself a monster, is because he knew that while Sutekh was being dragged by the TARDIS, There was no death in the universe. But when he finally destroys Sutekh, he re-introduced Death to the Universe again.

I have what I guess would count as guess a fan theory. (sorry, this is long) Sutekh bragged about how well he had grown to know the Tardis, what if the Tardis knew Sutekh just as well, including how obsessed he would become over a mystery? With as much as the perception filter and the range of it was mentioned I think that maybe it was meant to imply Tardis was fighting back by using the perception filter against Sutekh. The Tardis could have obscured Ruby's mom's identity, and made her pointing super dramatic even possibly made other changes to the perception of events that weren't shown because the Doctor said his memory of that night "keeps changing' not just that it changed once. If Sutekh could use the perception filter to create multiple Susan Triads across the universe then the Tardis and Sutekh being there twice that night and the Tardis doing something funky with the perception filter both times, could have somehow linked Ruby to the Tardis, the perception filter and herself across time somehow. This would explain the snow, the music and her older self in 76 yards. I admit, that's all a bit of a stretch but I feel like they were setting all that up and then just didn't explain, like the script was cut down for time and those payoffs were dropped or something

On the BBC only had a mini series called Tales From The Tardis, where former Doctors and Campions met in the Memory Tardis and talk about old adventures as an edited version of the serials played out. The day before this episode, they had the Doctor and Ruby watch the Pyramids of Mars, the original Sutekh serial. I have not seen any of these myself.

Weird how they very specifically named Ruby's dad William. Anyway in other entirely unrelated news a little factoid for you Ap Gwilliam in Welsh means son of gWilliam 🤔

Somewhere there's a Dalek blowing sand at other Daleks.😂

“I guess he’s guilty of that too”. Lol, yep, biiiig time. Never forget pruney faced space Jesus and the great big paradox machine reset button.

I believe that there's something else behind the whole Ruby's Mum mystery, pulling events together and affecting reality, and Mrs Flood might be a Harbinger...... Of a God of Stories from a different Pantheon!

Why did the Doctor need to create a Tardis out of memory when there's a perfectly functional Tardis in Donna's garden?

I think Mrs Flood is the Master/Missy. Dressing like Clara could be a way to catch the doctor's attention or just to be silly. But I think it fits what we know of Mrs flood, and could even explain the tooth being picked up after the toymaker vanishes.

Let's be fair. When the Doctor took Rose Tyler back to see her dad 'not dead', he got a bit messed over by the events...

I’m let down that there was no explanation for why Ruby made it snow, why the Carol of the Bells played around her, and why did Maestro panic and yell that “HE” was there when Ruby was born?? Like, WTH?

I loved seeing the Seventh Doctor teases. Sylvester McCoy is, by-far, my favorite Doctor. Although Ncuti is rapidly closing-in on tying with him. But yeah, the writing is . . . "Choices were made." On the up-side, Now it's clear why Ruby was only in 8 episodes: Full story-arc for her, regardless of how we liked the writing choices in the arc. :)

Not sure if it's been mentioned here but that Tardis made from memory is actually from the Tales of the Tardis series. Which has a bunch of classic companions and some classic doctors in it and the show specific stories from classic who in one sitting, really good stuff. Sadly it's UK only which I find baffling as everyone should be able to watch those specials.

Mel has come a long way from the best screaming, computer whiz, fitness fanatic that made the 6th 'Doc', drink carrot juice...

The Sutekh plot fell flat to me, too. Death * Death = Life is too contrived for words. And even if it wasn't, just flying around with Sutekh scraping the edge of the time vortex isn't that. Beyond that, how the heck does this most powerful, fearsome god get defeated by a bungee cord and a whistle?

If you liked the "memory Tardis" take a look on KZfaq for other short "memory Tardis" episodes featuring the surviving classic Doctors and companions.

Me grasping at straws (in regards to the pointing): "Maybe Ruby's biological mother was a theatre kid, and was just being a melodramatic 15 year old when she pointed at the sign." 😂

I have similar ambivalence. One thing especially that worried me somewhat... The reveal of Sutekh was presented as OMG IT'S SUTEKH!!! (which I admit did give me goosebumps, but I've been a fan since 1982) ... but how much of the general viewing public even knew who Sutekh was and why his return was significant? I saw this on several other DW reactors videos for TLoRS... "huh? Who's that?" Does something like that fall too flat? Things like the Daleks and the Master, sure, the general viewing public knows who they are. But a one-off villain from 49 years ago? Is this the same sort of fan service JNT was heavily criticized for in the 80s? I wonder. BTW great reaction as usual, and both of you have never looked better, IMHO. 😁

so who was around to see rubys mum pointing at the signe

My first thought after watching the finale was “can’t wait to see the Gallifrey Gals reaction”

Ruby's mum could left note saying this baby's name is Ruby rather than pointing at road sign as with so many red herrings with so many false clues to be let down at the end apparent to be answered next year Was annoying ending of series

Great reaction, and I really enjoyed the discussion at the end. You both made some excellent points.

In big finish we had Lucie Miller (Louise in TV) she was in a relationship with Will Foreman (Susan's son) so in a weird way Ruby could be the Doctors Great great granddaughter.

Mrs. Flood is Lindy Pepper-Bean who was temporally planted by Sutekh back in time. She has seen a Tardis before and looks down on this particular Doctor. Also the Memory Tardis was from the Sarah Jane Adventures two parter~ The Death of The Doctor. I just watched it today as special features on the Doctor Who Complete Season 4 of the Jon Pertwee years.

Oh someone has noticed that apparently it's not just Clara's outfits that Mrs. Flood is wearing - that she has been having outfits from different companions. Like the fur at the end resembles Romana's clothes. I guess it could be cute reference or coincidence, tbh. But imagine it's made for a reason.

I like how they used the set from the "Tales Of The Tardis" as the interior of the "memory Tardis." Very appropriate in several ways.

Perhaps he’s doing a multi season cross over arch, to tie in the stories. Cus he did say pre season that this season is gonna piss a lot of people off. It’s a stretch but I’m hoping for it

Moffett is doing the Christmas episode. And Season 2 is already filmed so hopefully that will come sooner rather than later.

Im hoping we get Roger Ap Gwilliam back in season 2/15. His name literally says Roger, Son of William, and Ruby's father is called William. Hes likely her half brother.

I’m loving this Clara/Susan theory and making the “fuck bois” get angry about it concept 🤣🤣🤣 47:55

The inside of the TARDIS was the same in Tardis Tales where you meet a lot of Classic Doctor's Companions. The Doctor, Tom Baker, never used the TARDIS to send Sutekh to his Death so how could it latch onto the TARDIS.

"Is this The Mummy?" Are you my mummy?

Definitely think the Doctor was projecting a bit when he said Ruby shouldn't approach her mother, and maybe taking her lead, he'll finally go back to visit Susan in the Christmas Special. EDIT: "You gotta say I love you back." XD I really thought he was gonna open the door at the last second to say it.

2:00 I feel like it's unlikely, as they have quite different sets of powers and general concepts. Sutekh was sometimes called the Beast as well - which is likely what Carla's words were making nod to. But it was not the same Beast. The Satan Pit Beast was said to have beef with the God. 4:00 Could be one of the Clara off-shoots that had semi-normal life. But the issue with Clara is that she is not aging and she can't even be put back to her timeline, due to Timelords being dead... I guess she could have some technology to mask herself... But you know she would talk about soufflés. 5:25 For me the most on the nose reveal would be that she is personification of the Flux or something, considering she is called Flood. The funniest bit would be if she was Mrs. Claus and we actually would wake up in Capaldi era's Christmas episode. 😂 5:50 For me the crying on Ncuti just doesn't work out in the last few episodes - it's just the dead fish face and mildly any actual acting for the crying scenes. If anything - he is literally bottling it up like the other commenter wanted and he then has those scream scenes. That's what I am getting. I hope next season, they focus more on him specifically? I need for him to get properly emotional (for me he is actually not emotional enough with his delivery sometimes). Because this season was way more about Ruby - and Millie specifically has been carrying this whole season on her back. There has been a lot of scenes where Doctor is giving me the flashbacks to Jodie's era, when Graham revealed his fear about cancer coming back. It also reminds me of like early Matt or early Jodie. Like he is constantly smiling and only on rare occasions he is hitting the wall or screaming into the void. Especially with whole Sutekh reveal I hoped for a lot more fear and genuine tension? And I mostly got that from other actors - like Ruby having panic attack in the time window chamber, Kate destroying this whole episode. Mel straight up roughing up the Doctor. Or even just the cinematography - with the motorbike scene through the city. Even the genius kid and the robot alien were slaying it (Rose kinda also needed to give something more - especially when she was dying in the background, after she was playing candy crash or something when others were attacking Sutekh - like make her escape if you don't want to give her a weapon?). Or maybe it's the dialogue that isn't delivering on him for me. Because there have been episodes this season and during specials, where he was giving strong Doctor vibes. But then we get him screaming at Mel to speed up, instead of himself trying to do some extra gizmo that could speed up the bike or help with the traffic. 7:45 Like this is such a powerful scene - from Ruby, her family, Mrs. Floods, majority of the of the Unit (expect Rose, who just stood there) and Mel. I hope we get more Sundays next season. Like I know Ruby is gonna be back - but I hope her full family also shows up, such fun secondary characters. It's reminding me of the time when Chibnail killed the best companion of Jodie's era in first episode (Grace). 8:20 Like this scene specifically unnerved me - because I started noticing Ncuti's mannerisms for those type of scenes - he comes into new location switches his legs/wobbles, looks around and smiles the widest, goofiest smile ever. In some cases he proceeds to hug everyone in the vicinity, proclaiming his love to everything. I guess Jodie's era broke me, because she also has done that too many times. Like show us the set, without always starting with Dictor's reaction. Especially when literally whole world is dying... David and Matt also has done that and multiple older Doctors as well, but there is time and space. 9:05 "The greatest monster I have ever fought", said in a monotone and out of breath - like specifically this line and the delivery felt unnecessary for me - it took whole energy out of the scene. Took the whole finale hype and replaced it with "oh it's actually just a dog and just another monster of the week". And I was already kinda losing the hype, because I also caught up on the fact that they totally gonna revive everyone. I guess - I kinda wish they pushed half of the deaths later on? Just give us the Unit, so we actually think it's end for Kate? Like please give me more. Like putting this next to last week reveal or the Toymaker or Maestro reveal and explanations for them - it's kinda jarring? Ehh... lemme end with the negativity, because I am feeling like a total debby-downer with this. And this was overall such good episode and the finale. I just wish Ncuti took it step or two further and that they gave him more challenging script, where this isn't giving him much. 9:30 And then Sutekh actually brings it back, so there is that. Such a fun twist and reveal to have, especially as I have been rewatching last specials with other people - and they did build up this reveal for a long time actually. With both Tardis making noises and a lot of random dialogue actually alluding to Sutekh (I mean in beginning of the last episode, before the anagram reveal, fake crowd was also chanting Sue Tech). 9:45 This is also such a callback to the beginning with the butterfly effect. I thought it was just a re-establishment of lore for new viewers and then build up for Maestro. But Sutekh is actively here using this mechanism of Tardis to cause destruction in all timelines at the same time, instead of destructing existence in the earliest jump Doctor ever made. He actively made the timelines intact and alive - to cause more destruction and pain to the Doctor. 11:00 Like we could have just had this scene - it's so much easier to connect with companions being amazed by the small Tardis. 12:45 Like here you can finally see pain in his eyes. I feel like they just filmed a lot of scenes on different days and out of order and he just sometimes doesn't deliver the same energy from "previous scene"? I guess it may be the issue I am having with this? I mean he was constantly on and off production so that could be the case... 13:25 Ok here me out - in this moment I had a thought. After this all gets fixed and Doctor brings everyone back to life... What, if this also revives Gallifrey, pretty much soft-redconning the whole Spy-Master plan. But also fixing a lot of issues with Flux? I genuinely hope if this isn't happening now, I hope it happens soon. Cause I am over the "last Time Lord/martyr" storyline - it has been way overdone in last 13 seasons. I want a proper story on Gallifrey, heck - full season just on Gallifrey with all the iconic Time Lords being back and new ones popping up. 16:15 My theory is that this woman was kept alive by the Sutekh and/or Tardis - held by the causality. She was needed there to help the Doctor, so she was spared from original wave. Same with the man that told her the words, that she was meant to tell the Doctor. Sutekh is obsessed with the only secret he never learnt, so he would be helping Doctor solve it. It's also the only reason why Ruby and the Doctor are still alive. They need to solve the mystery. 17:10 I think some people where mad about this. But this is a callback to Bill and her mother. A legend and myth even if it involves ordinary woman - has power in this world. Especially when "gods" are involved, as they break the reality itself. Similar to how Toymaker's presence allowed for biregen and other world-breaking and physics breaking phenomena. 23:50 Mrs. Flood has to be a reference to something. I need to dig up some older stories. I hope she is one of the villains tbh. The one Time Lord that made test on the Doctor or Rani, give me something. I will take Mistress even. 26:50 I like that's an ordinary person, but at the same time - the reveal was kinda iffy - this whole segment though, it really makes it better, especially with how Millie and other Sundays act it out through the whole post-story. 28:50 They really need to bring Susan next season. The actress is willing to come back and they are playing with fire, by not casting her back. She isn't super old, but you never know time and space. Wait... What if she is back for the Christmas and they have her regenerate into the new companion? Aside obviously different ethnicities, they do look alike tbh. 29:00 I mean 13 actively talked about fam - but she actually directly omitted all mentions of her family, she was always really cold and silent about herself, when talking with her companions. It wasn't until the last few episodes when Yasmin made her open up. 30:00 Well we likely gonna get the holiday specials. 32:15 I think like - they are not finished with this PM storyline. I could see them have Ruby aged for next season or two and solve this whole situation with the Doctor this time. It could be like a recurring plotline, similar to Mrs. Flood, who very clearly is gonna enact her plan on Christmas (considering she is wearing a fur). 35:35 It's even funnier when you consider that Rose (she was mostly off-screen companion for 14) and Mel are also in that room and Doctor still makes it all about how important Ruby is. Like damn that's cold. 35:50 Tbh, the only good part about Chibnail's run - companions were just normal people kidnapped off the streets. I am still so mad, that he didn't keep Grace for at least one season... 38:20 It would make more sense, if she was trying to tell Doctor or the priest the name of the child this way. But like... I would even take this as a distortion in time - where she just pointed at Ruby through the Time Window or at the Doctor - pointing out Sutekh. And that it actually never happened, but the whole paradox of them rewatching it and being there in the past caused this to happen.

The memory TARDIS is from Tales of the TARDIS which is mostly available on KZfaq right now.

Sutekh approaching the TARDIS inside the vortex just before the Doctor shut the doors reminded me of Surtur's dragon chasing Thor to the Bifrost at the beginning of Thor: Ragnarok 🤣🤣

Am I the only one who thinks the dress of the baby on agua santina REALLY looks like the timeless child's garments?

Finally, someone else that was begging for Raxacoricofallapatorius to be mentioned during that scene. I'm absolutely gutted they didn't! Also, I fully believe the 'clever boy' is a red herring.

The Remember TARDIS is from the “Tales of the TARDIS” mini-series exclusive to BBC iPlayer. They filmed them all after this episode, but actually released them all BEFORE this season began.

I'm a 44 year old man and not ashamed to say I was tearing up when Melanie was caressing 7's pullover. But I'm with Kat, everyone dying so quickly made me think "oh, they'll all be back"

The "tiny" TARDIS has been the centerpiece of some special presentations with classic characters, several companions and even a few Doctors. they just seem to find themselves in this cozy, junk piled environment and reflect upon a particular past adventure. The scene then cuts or fades to the story in question (I think a slightly abbreviated cut, maybe just highlights). When complete, the scene returns to the "tiny" TARDIS where the characters express their feelings as we draw to a close. Fans for months wondered what was the deal with this "memory" TARDIS. Where did it come from? How did it appear? Why did it appear? Well, "Empire of Death" gave us that answer. Those "reunion" segments turned out to be a kind of "teaser" for events in this episode.

"It felt very messy" Yes, totally!

24:57 “Do me a favor the fatality index look up The Doctor.” “You have an entry just like any other sentient being.” “Under cause of death….”

So, when the Toymaker split the TARDIS in 2 as the Doctor's prize for beating him, did Sutek get split as well?

saw this at the cinema , it was amazing and I loved the episode perfomances from the cast brilliant and also thank you for interesting videos to watch love your engagement with the episodes.

The Memory TARDIS is from Tales From The Tardis series that lauched the Whoniverse on BBCiplayer here in the UK which are newly shot bookends to the original era stories they have done 7 so far For the stories: The Time Meddler with Peter Purves and Maureen O Brien The Mind Robber with Wendy Padbury and Frazer Hines The Three Doctors with Daniel Anthony and Katy Manning Pyramids of Mars with Ncuti Gatwa and Millie Gibson Earthshock with Peter Davison and Janet Fielding Vengeance on Varos with Colin Baker and Nicola Bryant The Curse of Fenric with Sylvester McCoy and Sophie Aldred The new scenes are on KZfaq if wanna see them

Not great in my opinion. The one thing that always annoys me about RTD is he’s happy with bringing back a classic villain and even have the classic story condensed and re-released to explain the backstory but when Ruby asked “Who’s the girl and the man with curly hair hair?” He just says says. They traveled in the Tardis. Why did he say, “That’s me, with a different face!” RTD has this issue with tying the present incarnation with the past ones.

I was able to get to see this live in the cinema (they had showings here in the UK). Went with about 6 other people and all of our reactions were exactly Kat's the moment the episode ended. The cinema practically left in whelmed silence. Kat's deflated stare of "okay..." and yes, I absolutely agree that there are things to like in this episode. I enjoyed the vibe. But the way the story went? The mystery box resolutions? Even the emotional beats? Messy and underwhelming. And that's coming from someone who adores RTD and his Series 1-4 work. Empire of Death is not satisfying, and it has broken a degree of trust towards any RTD mystery box going forward. I feel like the audience was held in contempt.

I have no problem with Ruby's mom being just a normal person. It works. It is just the lead up. Yes, some of it is fans expecting more but a lot of it is what is in the show. Even his behind the scene answer to why was she wearing a dark cloak. "Time was shrouding her" Really? He doesn't have an answer beyond it looked cool. Makes me wonder why people are expecting anything from Mrs Flood. The pointing to the sign is silly. There was no sign. Even in Church on Ruby Road. So did her mom see the Goblin's crash? As for 73 yards, that's the thing. He still became Prime Minister. The Doctor bring him down.

Imagine this moment: It begings to snow. "Did you ever manage to catch one of these?" "No. I guess they melt". "Except ... they don`t".... Its not snow. ... its ash." "It`s WHAT?" ... "It`s like something tries to manifest itself everytime we remember that night on Ruby Road." ... "Don`t be ridiculous". ... or something in that manner. The snow could well be a side effect of Sutekh trying to project himself into the physical world to get to the bottom of the secret. But they fumbled the ball on that one i guess.

You can tell it is Science-Fiction. In a real coffee shop they would have called out "Toby?" or something. ;P

Time to watch Tales of the Tardis, with actors from many previous doctors come to recal their tales in the memory tardis

This tardis is the memory tardis from Tales from the tardis. They're mini episodes on BBC iplayer

Suppose once, a long time ago, a traveler in a blue box, gave a woman a metal spoon for her daughter...

The Remembered TARDIS or MEMORY TARDIS has been seen frequently in Whoniverse and has been RTD's explanation of how all the old incarnations are still traveling around in one way or another now. You can find youtube clips of other Doctors reuniting with old companions in other Memory TARDISes.

Does the spoon remind anyone else of Robots of Sherwood? "I am the Doctor, and this is my spoon!"

This is the third reaction review of this episode that I have watched, where the Memory TARDIS from Tales of the TARDIS, was something new to the reviewers. My guess for Mrs. Flood is the Master/Missy. Mrs. Flood has been seen wearing clothes similar to previous companions, such as Clara and Romana.

Katrina's face in the thumbnail was my face for the entire last half of the episode.

So Ruby's mum is the most important because Ruby thought she was. I guess everyone else didn@t think their mums were special enough. I guess the unknown woman didn't think her baby was spcial enough

I know it's supposed to be a really moving and satisfying ending to Ruby's "who's my mum?" storyline, but it kind of felt wrong that she found and confronted her mother like that. Like it would have been really moving for her to find and see her -- and then leave her alone. Because that woman chose to give up her baby, for the baby's own good. And that goes doubly for the father, who never even knew Ruby's mom had gotten pregnant. It just somehow feels not-okay to spring this on these people who've gone on and lived their lives. It feels selfish somehow. I don't know.

I am never going to get past the woman giving away her last spoon and then crumbling away (IYKYK) There's something about all the fourth wall breaks that's been reminding me of the Capaldi episode with the simulation, nothing specific just a vibe.

Did the Kind Woman (as listed in the credits) not realize the danger in giving her child the middle initial D? Has she not heard of the Power of D? :P Gabriel Woolf's voice acting with Sutekh is so much more incredible when you remember he is 91 years old, and was the actor who voiced the character in his original appearance 49 years go. :D

Mel had called the 6th Doctor Doc.

Not gonna lie, I was underwhelmed by this finale.

There was a famous TV gameshow host in the UK called Bruce Forsythe, who at the beginning of every show would say to the audience after greeting them "You are such a great audience! So much better than the one we had last week!".

27:48 Oh he is absolutely thinking about Susan and wondering if he has the right to come back to her

He's not done...RTD just said Ruby is returning and her family's story isnt over.

Like both of you I had a few issues and also wondered if I got too excited with expectations. The sign point makes no sense. I was thinking they keep saying perception filter is 73 yards, maybe that’s a clue that we are looking at Rubys story wrong? Then I also thought how often had Ruby made it snow when the Doctor isn’t there? In wales (73 yards, it snows in wales cause it’s freezing, old Ruby said she never made it snow again, in the finale, in the time window, it’s a playback from earlier and it already was snowing). I’m pretty sure every other time the Doctor is there? Maybe that’s overthinking things and it’s the Doctor who makes it snow?on the Doctor final scene he wears the exact same outfit for the first time and is crying leaving Ruby which is the same as when he steps out of the Tardis on Church of Ruby Road. Great reaction it’s good to have someone to discuss episode afterwards.

Well I'm back with my theories. We know Ruby's story is not done. Though I do think RTD dropped the ball in communicating that leaving people frustrated. MY takeaways... Ruby herself has a perception filter as hinted in dialogue. Why did the Doctor not want Ruby to talk to her mother (out of character). Is she really Ruby's mother or is a plot a foot. Is Ruby's father related ot Mad Jack (Ap Gwilliam (of William) Her father's name is William. With the reveal that 73 yards is the range of a perception filter when it becomes more apparent that old Ruby (Jack's Herald) wasn't telling people terrible things, she was showing them terrible things, they all look directly at Ruby before they freak out. Does standing at the very edge of the perception filter cause it's effect to sort of glitch and you see what's really real? Finding Ruby's mother was far too easy, and none of Maestro or Sutekh's dialogue work if she is just some random teen mom. For a few scenes I was almost convinced UNIT set up a fake mom just to make Ruby stop looking for now

The remembered TARDIS is also used in tales of the TARDIS

Seen loads of reactions to this... but I've been waiting for yours ❤👍

RTD's special gift is to take x + y + z and make you think the answer is going to be x+y+z=, only to find that the equation is actually (x+y)×z and the actual answer dwells on a wholly different level. This wasnt RTDs best. When you resume the River road you are in for 3 of his very very best gotchas. When i first saw the last one i came to understand the scope of his actual mastery.

I think regarding the random women it was meant to be a reference to the explanation of Ruby's mother; they didn't want to explain who this women was or give her some additional context because the idea is that anyone in anywhere can be important and significant. Also to fit thematically in the story of everything slipping away so we don't get any build up to her or any background of the TARDIS crew because everything is dying, memory, time, etc so having her and the doctor appear randomly and then die is a way they are making the audience understand how the feelings of what the characters themselves are experiencing. Or maybe she's Susan! She stayed on a world she's not from to have a husband...!

What happened?! Seriously can someone explain what just happen ed

This episode, like most this season, feels too short. As you point out, scenes feel missing - the one with the 'Kind Woman' could have done with a bit more introduction to set up how the Doctor got there. If you go behind the scenes, you'll learn that the scene as a whole was nearly cut due to budget reasons, which is probably the reason for most episodes feeling rushed, but... I dunno, it feels like a serious flaw that could do with addressing in the future. Also, the whole "she's important because we think she is" is a nice idea that ends up being nonsense. Why did the memories change over the course of the series? Why is the snow appearing around Ruby? Why did Maestro clam "there's a secret song hidden deep within her heart"? This resolution feels like something RTD pulled out at the 11th hour because he couldn't think of anything better. What happened to the guy who did Bad Wolf, or Torchwood, or The Master? Those were great season arcs, and this... isn't. As for when the show returns? There's a Christmas special written by Mr Moffatt, then another 8 episodes next year (believed to be airing around the same time as this season - May-June).

What happens to that mysterious traveler in time and space known as the Doctor? I'm sorry to say his story ends in absolute terror. Night-night!

I didn't find this episode very emotionally satisfying, but I enjoyed the heck out of the spectacle of it! It's amazing that this was technically set up/foreshadowed in Series 1 and 2. I have no idea how deeply it was planned, but it was amazing. I wonder if the Series 2 finale would have been this with Sutekh and/or the Beast instead of Cybermen and Daleks if they'd kept the abandoned "Rose is dying" plotline?

It feels like either they had to cut down a larger plot and slot things together, or he's double bluffing us. I wouldn't be entirely supprised if we aren't actually done with this story.

Tardis of memory was used in the Whoniverse series. Giving some closure to the past doctors.

Well the clues were there and now we have the confirmation ...RTD is not the writer he was.

The best way to remain undetected and fly below everyone's radar is to be an ordinary person. The point of the reveal is to remind people that superheroes aren't real, and regular people have the power to change the world. The only reason we think certain people are important in real life is because everyone thinks they're important. I think too many people think DW is a superhero show thus thought that the reveal had to be some superpowered being so they're disappointed. Was the pointing reveal dumb as hell? Yeah, that was the only miss in this episode. I feel like he wrote himself into a corner on that one because she couldn't see Sutekh. I do think people are seeing what comic book readers have dealt with for decades. New writers coming in and either retconning stuff or outright ignoring stuff from the last writer's run. But everyone just needs to understand that the 3-episode Tennant run was the dream of Disney+. "Sure, we'll pony up a lot of money to keep running DW, but we want DT back." "He'll only come back for 3 episodes." "Okay, do it!" So, just ignore the 2 Tardises and everything else because we're not going to see them again because you can't have any Doctor be successful if DT is hanging around looking over their shoulder. If you overthink fiction, you're going to end up miserable because you're focused on nothing but poking holes in it instead of enjoying it (hey, I just described a whole bunch of YT channels :p Not this one.) And I'll never forgive Moffat for ruining Clara in Kill The Moon to the point that I will never watch Jenna in anything because those 3 minutes were so bad she should have walked off set. So thankfully, Mrs. Flood isn't Clara. As others in the comments have pointed out, she's definitely not. It was a companions callback character so either Susan or The Master. Now, someone hire Millie in a massive franchise like Karen got because she's such a great actress, and God knows we need great actors being hired because they're few and far between (if you want to see the difference between a great actress and a slightly-above-average one, watch the first episode of the new Orphan Black series. Tatiana would have killed that episode. Krysten was okay.).

You brought up a point that has been bugging me throughout the modern Who era. I started watching a few years back during lockdown and binged the entire series starting with the 1st doctor, so in my mind it's all just one long show. In the classic era, the companions were just ordinary people who traveled with the Doctor for a while and helped out as they could but were mostly just there to keep him from being lonely and to give a reason to explain things to the audience. In the modern era it seems like every companion that just happens to stumble into the Doctor is also coincidentally the most important person in the universe and is the key to everything.