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Doctor Who Keeps Making a BIG Mistake...

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Harbo Wholmes

Harbo Wholmes

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We all love the wide array of interesting Doctor Who settings, but is the show wasting a lot of potential with them?
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@HarboWholmes
@HarboWholmes Жыл бұрын
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@mattthesilent777RED
@mattthesilent777RED Жыл бұрын
The problem with Doctor Who is that it hasn't removed Jodie Whittaker, Tennant 2 and Gatwa and replaced them with my Thirteenth, Fourteenth, Fifteenth and Sixteenth Doctors
@mayotango1317
@mayotango1317 Жыл бұрын
If you’re on Planet Zog, and the Zog people are fighting with the Zog Monster, I don’t give a toss! Who cares about that?"
@jonathankozenko
@jonathankozenko Жыл бұрын
I actually think Doctor Who is really overdue for an Alien Companion, or an Out-of-Time Companion, because if the show continues to stay on Earth (which is the most practical in terms of budget and time constraints), it can act as an alien setting for the Companion character. Characters like Nyssa, Turlough and Jamie would all find 21st Century Earth to be equally alien, but all would've also had different perspectives on how it operates. And as Old-Who proved, you can make an alien world by simply re-dressing a room, and nowadays you can just put an exotic landscape outside a window easily. If you can create some thorough Lore for a setting, particularly the type that grows with each visit, then viewers will always be able to overlook cut corners made due to budgetary or time constraints.
@connie_360
@connie_360 Жыл бұрын
Strax?
@jonathankozenko
@jonathankozenko Жыл бұрын
@@connie_360 I'd love to see him return. Strax was very much a part-time companion, and unfortunately, I think he was already well-integrated into the Earth locations he was shown within by the time we see him -- Like, in The Snowmen, it seems that he was already accustomed to life on Earth; sad as seeing him get accustomed to it would've been brilliant.
@connie_360
@connie_360 Жыл бұрын
@@jonathankozenko I think 1800s Clara would have been more interesting to travel with. I got excited thinking 15 was going to live in another time, 50s, 70s 💕💕
@jonathankozenko
@jonathankozenko Жыл бұрын
@@connie_360 Definitely agree - I also wouldn't have minded if a version of her like that in Asylum was the companion, as she seemed to be from the far future (something that I feel the show did great with Zoey and practically never even tried again). As for 15, here's hoping! .....although sadly probably not going to be the case...
@berniarmstrong
@berniarmstrong Жыл бұрын
Some very valid points and suggestions. Especially the moon egg idea being around New Earth. The original being this Earth's moon was a low point in the writing for me.
@Roggoll
@Roggoll Жыл бұрын
Satellite 5 was one of the best examples of repeated destinations. In general RTD was much better at making his locations feel lived in than moffat or chibnall
@Djdjdjskskwijsjsjsggstwusj
@Djdjdjskskwijsjsjsggstwusj Жыл бұрын
I feel like RTD did the best world building, but moffat had the most interesting concepts and chibnall…
@mayotango1317
@mayotango1317 Жыл бұрын
That why the show feel so small in the RTD era.
@Robert10075
@Robert10075 Жыл бұрын
1:20 they’re shorts actually 😌
@mayotango1317
@mayotango1317 Жыл бұрын
@astroblaster6347 But is not Doctor Who, that style work for american shows but no in Doctor Who.
@mayotango1317
@mayotango1317 Жыл бұрын
@astroblaster6347 Tennant is just popular for a melodramatic soap opera, everybody loves Tom Baker.
@the_kovic
@the_kovic Жыл бұрын
The biggest reason for why Doctor Who has not revisited more locations in my opinion is this: If you can travel anywhere in time and space, why would you, as a writer, limit yourself to someone else's location?
@marionbaggins
@marionbaggins Жыл бұрын
Since Chibnall DW high Budget, and I wish we aren't limited to Modern Day Earth.
@Josh-ze6xo
@Josh-ze6xo Жыл бұрын
Some kinda of intergalactic community like in Trek or Star Wars would be neat especially if explored in a non chronological order.
@ludde3526
@ludde3526 Жыл бұрын
omg just like stellaris fr fr
@CartoonPostYT
@CartoonPostYT Жыл бұрын
I'd be interested in seeing the series do something like that
@purpleduke3193
@purpleduke3193 Жыл бұрын
#BringbackPeladon
@samuelbastable2028
@samuelbastable2028 Жыл бұрын
Kinda tried that with the Peladon serials and the Galactic Federation within that, honestly would love to see more of those.
@carolinemcgovern4488
@carolinemcgovern4488 Жыл бұрын
@@samuelbastable2028 I do wish the Glalactic Federation stuck around
@mjvdg4194
@mjvdg4194 Жыл бұрын
One thing I really loved about The Waters of Mars is how, when 10 found out whose base he was on, he acted just like the Doctor would in other episodes when they meet historical figures. Because Adelaide et all. ARE historical figures to him, we just don’t know them. Like it makes sense that they're usually just loredumping to the companion as soon as an important future/alien character shows up but it definitely makes for these episodes having different vibes. When he realises it's Adelaide and gushes over it feels just like meeting Victoria in Tooth & Claw or Dickens in The Unquiet Dead!
@rosebomb
@rosebomb Жыл бұрын
I have long thought that a fun concept for a season is something like "The Doctor lands on Gallifrey and gets their TARDIS taken away, so they have to help different people on the planet while trying to get their TARDIS back" sort of like the third Doctor's first 2 seasons, but less monotonous, which would give us an opportunity to explore more of Gallifrey and learn more about the Gallifreyans
@ZoomerUnion
@ZoomerUnion Жыл бұрын
That would've been the perfect way to organically set up something like the Timeless Child twist
@razr2001
@razr2001 Жыл бұрын
Hence why I'm so excited to see RTD return. Not only did he have great, consistent writing, but the universe he built actually felt alive and rich with history.
@mayotango1317
@mayotango1317 Жыл бұрын
No, it felt very small and limited. And very focused on contemporary London.
@gallifreychloe3297
@gallifreychloe3297 Жыл бұрын
They've already explored a few colony planets, like in Smile in series 10. That planet was specified outside the show to be the real exoplanet Gliese 581d, which is only 20 lightyears away from Earth. They could easily go a few thousand years into the future from that episode, where the planet's as built up as Earth is now. Name all sorts of nearby exoplanets as colony worlds. There are tons of cosmically nearby planets to us that could have life, and the fact that so few of them have even been looked at is insane. What's the name of the planet in the Trappist system (because if it should be anywhere, it should be there) that people treat as a holiday destination? Which planets have the most interesting fauna and how far away is it from Earth? Just going a few thousand years into the future but sticking with local worlds to us could go an incredibly long way towards creating this kind of universe.
@paulbeardsley4095
@paulbeardsley4095 Жыл бұрын
"There are tons of cosmically nearby planets to us that could have life, and the fact that so few of them have even been looked at is insane." Indeed. It's kind of ironic that at the time of Classic Who, we DIDN'T KNOW if there were planets outside the solar system, yet the show came up with loads of other planets. Whereas now we are aware of hundreds, yet New Who was almost exclusively set on Earth for years. And so were the spinoff novels!
@BeautifulMutant
@BeautifulMutant Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't mind seeing more of Skaro and finding out whether or not there are any Thals still living there, since it seems like people kind of forgot about them.
@jamesb.russell2942
@jamesb.russell2942 8 ай бұрын
They were EXTERMINATED (But really, it would be neat to find some more, maybe hiding out somewhere, who know something that could help fight the Daleks.)
@jellybabiesarecool4657
@jellybabiesarecool4657 Жыл бұрын
What I love about Earth in the RTD era and in Torchwood: Aliens Among Us is that there are set timelines of events with different figures and factions. I wanna see that but for more settings. However what I really like to see from ideas like these is recurring characters in these different locations. The problem with a show like Doctor Who where you have a different set of characters each episode is it's very difficult to develop and flesh out characters outside of the Doctor and their companions. In fact it's arguably the most limiting thing about the show. I want recurring characters within these recurring settings who we follow on a journey.
@mayotango1317
@mayotango1317 Жыл бұрын
The Doctor and his companions are the real recurring characters in the show.
@dalekcaan99
@dalekcaan99 Жыл бұрын
My biggest want for this sort of thing is to visit Sto from "Voyage of the Dammed" and make it a reoccuring place. Voyage of the Dammed put a weirdly big amount of lore into this one planet and yet we nevevr saw it, that makes it prime as a location that we both know enough about to be interesting AND that there is enough unsaid about it that it could be whatever the writers wanted it to be. Add this to the fact that the majority of its population appear the same as humans (or as the doctor would say they appear the same as timelords) then this means introducing an Alien compainion with a vastly different culture would be easy because you wouldnt even need to worry about them during earth based stories.
@-Berry.
@-Berry. Жыл бұрын
I’m imagining a story where they go to Skaro before the advent of the Daleks. I can imagine it as a lush, tropical planet to contrast what it later became.
@DisturbedNeo
@DisturbedNeo Жыл бұрын
I don't think it's fair to compare Doctor Who to Star Trek or Star Wars. Each of those take place exclusively within one galaxy, so it's relatively easy to plan and map everything out without things getting _too_ complicated, even if Star Trek does like the odd bit of time travel. Doctor Who takes place any time and any place in the entire universe, occasionally outside the universe or even in a parallel universe. Compared to other Sci-Fi shows, Doctor Who's list of potential settings is limitless, so re-using settings important to our main characters, like Earth, Gallifrey and Skaro makes sense, but re-using other locations that don't have any character significance would just be a waste of Doctor Who's infinite potential. Basically, if a character arc doesn't require our characters to be in a specific space or time, you can put them literally anywhere, and have some fun with it, so why wouldn't you?
@chase0300
@chase0300 Жыл бұрын
Agreed, due to the nature of the Tardis and the Timelords(and some of the other major villains) ability to travel anywhere almost instantly, physical space is basically meaningless.
@richardvinsen2385
@richardvinsen2385 Жыл бұрын
It feels to me, the only way to continually return to other worlds is if a resident of those worlds was a companion. Why else would the Doctor feel the need to return so often? Unless, he’s getting bored of us humans.
@R_SENAL
@R_SENAL Жыл бұрын
I agree w/you broadly, it would be nice to revisit more locations, and instead of Always being on Earth I would love more varied Earth Colonies from the 1st and 2nd Great Breakouts. Actually my most wanted setting for a New Who setting would be the 30th Century before the Overcities fell, something in the time frame of the Empress and the Imperial Landsknechte where humanity can easily be seen as the Villains, instead of the species we need to protect from the aliens! Where I diverge from you a bit, is the clearly drawn galactic lines. I feel Star Wars is hamstrung by its specificity, and so many more mistakes can be made in a shared universe w/out an agreed upon cannon. We already see so many temporal errors just on Earth because writers can't be bothered to use TardisWiki before putting pen to paper, I can only imagine the mistakes would multiply in magnitude if we set in stone cosmology. I love the Stellaris Doctor WHO mod, I stopped playing it when my mod broke, but it's just a bit of fun. And as always I just have to say here and everywhere: Bring Back The RUTAN HOST!! Srsly, Sontarans are one side of a war we rarely see the other side of, and now we have the tech to do shape-shifters so much better than Fang Rock writers could have dreamed of.
@patrick_j_lee
@patrick_j_lee Жыл бұрын
Definitely agree with you about recurring planets. i think it'd be also cool if they took inspiration from harder sci fi to give us megastructure settings like Dyson spheres or O'Neill Cylinders
@MrJ.Smith1234
@MrJ.Smith1234 Жыл бұрын
The classic era was great with creating new planets and alien companions due to great creativity. It's hard to understand a show that has always increased with budget but somehow never creating a completely new alien landscape but In the early days when doctors who's budget was just a phew pennies could create amazing sets.
@rogershore3128
@rogershore3128 Жыл бұрын
I agree. Look at Planet of Evil, an amazing set...
@MrJ.Smith1234
@MrJ.Smith1234 Жыл бұрын
@@rogershore3128 Yeah apparently the set was so good that a group of art students were allowed to go to the set to take some inspiration.
@rogershore3128
@rogershore3128 Жыл бұрын
@@MrJ.Smith1234 Didn't they use the set of Planet of Evil in publicity photos of the BBC for decades.
@lilybea8524
@lilybea8524 Жыл бұрын
For me, RTD’s era is the best example of the universe feeling alive, especially with characters like the Judoon or the Ood. Also the stolen planets in s4. I love the idea of so many species and times being connected by an event without knowing it, because it makes their world seem small enough to feel important but big enough to be realistic. Personally I don’t want to know the geography of the galaxies because I feel like it would take away from the alien-ness of the show. I’d start asking questions like where is the end of the universe? or where is the bubble universe connected to? which for me would feel irrelevant and maybe skew my perception of the whoniverse. Anyway, great video, I really hope we see your ideas reflected in the new series.
@mayotango1317
@mayotango1317 Жыл бұрын
No, the universe feel small and lack of style in the RTD era. And always focus in the Powell State.
@lilybea8524
@lilybea8524 Жыл бұрын
@@mayotango1317 definitely in s1 and s2, i agree. but then we move on to Martha’s family and then Donna’s, and i like that because it makes sense that the Doctor becomes a massive part of his companions’ lives and then just moves onto the next one. it grounds the whole show for me. i totally get where you’re coming from though, and in the end it’s just a matter of taste.
@mayotango1317
@mayotango1317 10 ай бұрын
​@@lilybea8524Maybe for the Buffy/CW audience, but for Who fans we want aliens planets .
@FTZPLTC
@FTZPLTC Жыл бұрын
One thing that I really liked in the early New Whos was the New Earth/Year 5 Billion stuff. It was cool to see the same time period gradually progressing once a year. I feel they could've done more with that, similar to what they did with The Long Game and the season 1 finale, but with lower stakes. Later on, the show seemed more resistant to that kind of story - practically making a Thing out of how, no matter what the Doctor does, people will have forgotten it within a month or so. And while that's kind of funny once, it started to look like a copout really quickly.
@mayotango1317
@mayotango1317 Жыл бұрын
Because is Doctor Who. The Fourth Doctor era is so flesh and new.
@elliesteele2027
@elliesteele2027 Жыл бұрын
The doctor can travel anywhere in space and time... And yet half of his comanions are from modern day London.
@timecontroller8800
@timecontroller8800 Жыл бұрын
Yea it gets a bit boring after a while and it’s funny that classic who with its more limited budget has a broader range of companions
@kendraressler4497
@kendraressler4497 Жыл бұрын
If not London then Britain in general.
@mathieuleader8601
@mathieuleader8601 Жыл бұрын
wish we kept Clara's original companion as a Victorian governess
@jannyjan90
@jannyjan90 Жыл бұрын
I agree, plus from a show running prespective, if you already have these worlds (and more importantly their costumes) surely its cheaper to run the show.... digging out old stuff has to be cheaper than creating new
@Charlie_Duz
@Charlie_Duz Жыл бұрын
Very good point about Kill the Moon, etc, working better on New Earth or another alien world.
@WoodyNWUK
@WoodyNWUK Жыл бұрын
Gallifrey: "its the main character's home world after all" Ummmmmm....... Apparently not according to Chibs 😂
@PlatinumAltaria
@PlatinumAltaria Жыл бұрын
One of the good things about Doctor Who is the ability of future writers to put bad ideas in the bin.
@WoodyNWUK
@WoodyNWUK Жыл бұрын
@@PlatinumAltaria Oh we can hope, we can hope. Although the bin will be pretty full throwing away Chibs' bad ideas 🤣
@ishathakor
@ishathakor Жыл бұрын
canon is just what you want it to be
@carealoo744
@carealoo744 Жыл бұрын
I mean, it's still their "home" since they can't remember their original.
@EditedAF987
@EditedAF987 Жыл бұрын
The Doctor still grew up there as a child, twice.
@ishathakor
@ishathakor Жыл бұрын
i want a star trek federation type organization to become a recurring thing. like maybe sometimes the doctor is helping them out with some technical difficulties and sometimes they're these explorer characters on a new dangerous planet or something. we've seen and heard about plenty of civilizations and stuff but i think this would help the world feel more lived in. we also definitely need companions that aren't from 21st century earth. like companions who go on to become full time traveling companions who don't play second fiddle to 21st century earth companions. for simplicity's sake it could even be someone from a different planet that has a similar level of development to earth so they also need the strange sci fi concepts explained but like if you show them a television or a phone they know what it is
@mayotango1317
@mayotango1317 Жыл бұрын
That not works because the universe is full of monsters.
@samuelbastable2028
@samuelbastable2028 Жыл бұрын
We kinda got the federation type organisation within the Peladon serials of classic who, that being the Galactic Federation but honestly it would be amazing to see more of it not gunna lie
@marcuswalters8093
@marcuswalters8093 Жыл бұрын
1:53 Yes, big plus to the Chibnall era with the settings. I thought it was very important that the TARDIS landed in other countries and explored their history. The only problem being that all those episodes were shit.
@JamesAHirons_
@JamesAHirons_ Жыл бұрын
I'm OK with Earth-based adventures but agree with this. I would also love to see more clever historical tie-ins like in The Visitation or Rosa.
@DyrianLightbringer
@DyrianLightbringer Жыл бұрын
I would love to see a companion in modern Who that isn't just another 2020s human. However, don't bring up Star Wars as a model for Doctor Who to follow. My biggest complaint about Star Wars is just how often the movies revisit the same planets. They have an entire galaxy to explore, and many planets named, and even shown in the EU, but when Lucas made the prequels, we went right back to Tatooine. It's good that Doctor Who explores a huge variety of planets and time periods. It might be cool to revisit a few of them, and in Russel T. Davies era, we did, such as New Earth and Bad Wolf, and maybe now that he's in charge again we'll see a few more stories that feature the same location in different time periods, but we don't want to overdo it.
@ZemplinTemplar
@ZemplinTemplar Жыл бұрын
I think the anthology format of the series makes it less likely to revisit the same locations on a frequent basis. It's a strength of the series that it chases setting so often. While I agree that building up some long-term consistency is also nice, it should be used sparringly. I don't think the same individual setting should be revisited more often than every two series. If we get a previously explored setting revisited in the immediate next series (season), then it feels like a revisiting that came far too soon. Concerning Gallifrey, one of my annoyances with Chibnall's era is that he just couldn't resist revisiting the place again... and heaping an entirely pointless tragedy on it. Why ? Narratively, it cheapens everything that came before, including the 2005-2015 "myth arc".
@johnphamlore8073
@johnphamlore8073 Жыл бұрын
It is impossible to believe that all of Earth, Skaro, and Gallifrey can possibly be in the same galaxy. That would a be a remarkable coincidence.
@vampiresquid2635
@vampiresquid2635 Жыл бұрын
Doing a historical episode on a planet we’ve visited in the future before would be so cool Like a well known event that happened on an alien planet hundreds of years ago that helps you understand how it became the planet it is now
@senonimoustv2497
@senonimoustv2497 Жыл бұрын
I think earth stories make the show more digestible to a casual viewer. That's one of the things I love about the original RTD. Moffatt really delved into the sci-fi aspects and intricacies of time travel(paradoxes, fixed points). While that was really cool and fresh to see after RTD and Tenant left, I would totally understand if somebody got a bit confused with how complex the story telling was in the Smith-era, especially series 6 with the whole, the Silence/Melody Pond/River Song storyline.
@gamewithadam7235
@gamewithadam7235 Жыл бұрын
The doctor visits earth because they are half human so lore wise it makes sense to focus more of the stories there. Unless there's a threat to earth that is looming on other planets.
@GafftheHorse
@GafftheHorse Жыл бұрын
Through most the reboot, the Doctor just goes to London, usually North London, for a companion. That changed thankfully when it came to Amelia, but that had to wait for series 5. I have to agree with @jonathankozenko on needing more alien or out of time companions. I barely remember them from fist time round but my favourite companions were Leela and Romana, closely followed by Ace - female companions that didn't just scream were always a relief from the likes of Bonnie Langfords Mel.
@daver9819
@daver9819 Жыл бұрын
I'd still love to see a series based on Gallifrey on TV. A political thriller interspersed with time travel adventures for characters that we get to know and love. They could tie up the many loose ends the main show has left over the years as well as build some back story ready for interactions with the main show.
@timecontroller8800
@timecontroller8800 Жыл бұрын
Then my friend you NEED to listen to Gallifrey
@kendraressler4497
@kendraressler4497 Жыл бұрын
They have already done/doing that with the Gallifrey series via Big Finish audio featuring Romana and Leela.
@timecontroller8800
@timecontroller8800 Жыл бұрын
@@kendraressler4497 yes they have
@alexandernicholl5772
@alexandernicholl5772 Жыл бұрын
I never really cared about New Earth but damn you turned me around on it which is weird considering i absolutely love sci-fi cities such as Coruscant (or however you spell it) or Night City from Cyberpunk, now all i can think is the gritty sci-fi stories that can he told on New Earth
@dragonfye1
@dragonfye1 Жыл бұрын
Ur argument for sticking to a handful of alien worlds and making them more ‘In depth’ and ‘lived-in’ feeling is VERY COMPELLING…BUT on the other hand, wouldn’t that cause the show to loose its identity and CHAOTIC CHARM? i do enjoy tuning into a new episode knowing ANYTHING could happen, and we could LITERALLY BE taken ANYWHERE. Borrowing the ‘Star Wars’ comparison if I may…YES, its EXITING and ENJOYABLE TO WATCH, but when you sit down to watch a new movie, you always know basically what to expect because fundamentally, SETTINGS, SPECIES, CHARACTERS TYPES, FIGHT SCENES…THESE THINGS DON’T CHANGE.
@HudsonMedia
@HudsonMedia Жыл бұрын
Would really love Doctor Who to turn Peladon into the Westeros of the Whoniverse. If Traken wasn’t wiped I’d say them. I think Traken’s society is so vast, interesting and feels so ripe for exploring.
@MarcVL1234
@MarcVL1234 Жыл бұрын
Personally, my biggest complaint w new Who is that the main companion is always from Earth circa now. Why not another Nyssa from Traken? Why not the 1st, Victorian Clara, or hey, what about someone from the 1960s - 1980s (or 90s)? It doesn't always have to be someone from current Earth. Yes yes, there were Jack Harkness, Nardol, &... um, drawing a blank, maybe that's it? & they were both such totally equally main companions as Rose, Martha, Donna, or Bill. There's a lot of missed opportunities as far as I'm concerned. I don't even like most modern day current humans, I don't need to tune in to a sci fi show that can traverse all of time & space just to see millennial or Gen Z *characters* reacting to it all. Btw, I'm not necessarily saying older actors. It's not the generation(s) of the actors I take issue w. Happy to see a Gen Z actor play a main companion from 16th century (AD or BC) Earth from wherever, or a human colonist living on a terraformed planet or space station in the far future. Just to be clear.
@TheBrowncoatcat
@TheBrowncoatcat Жыл бұрын
With most Doctor Who stories are, if you think about them too much, they start to fall apart. The problem with "Gridlock" is if you think about it at all, just by watching it, it falls apart horribly. It was a first draft script that should have been rewritten several times and then rejected.
@jamesmullen2231
@jamesmullen2231 Жыл бұрын
That was a really good insight about using New Earth as a setting for some of the more out-there stories that strain the suspension of disbelief when set on Earth. My only reservation would it does open the doors to writers coming up with *any* story and just setting in on New Earth to get away with it; it would become the parallel of using technobabble in Star Trek to resolve whatever the problem of the week is. 😄
@littleredruri
@littleredruri Жыл бұрын
I rewatched TNG and I actually don't remember that happening very much, if at all. Like if you break down the things that are said in the show often times they actually make perfect sense and just SOUND like made up bullshit.
@wyntisoffe6154
@wyntisoffe6154 Жыл бұрын
I wish there'd be someone like C'rizz from the 8th doctor audiobooks in the show
@marionbaggins
@marionbaggins Жыл бұрын
He was cool.
@Shepherd1OFH
@Shepherd1OFH Жыл бұрын
Actually, they could have linked the forest spirits in the 12 doctor episode to the the tree spirit aliens the 11th doctor helped bring to the earth in that wardrobe episode.
@FroMarty
@FroMarty Жыл бұрын
I have always said that kill the moon would get a pass if it was set on any other colonised human planet, but the fact that it is earth just seems stupid to me
@jdg9825
@jdg9825 Жыл бұрын
Love how Jo and SJ both recount their trips to Peladon when they meet onscreen
@brianp6682
@brianp6682 Жыл бұрын
the big mistake it keeps making is that there is no "lorekeeper" to tell producers "no, you cant do that because it breaks the lore". a show with lore this vast needs that or everything starts to feel meaningless. take the time lords. RTD had them time-looped and brought back briefly. then moffatt brings them back into reality. then chibnall takes over and, after years of searching for a finding gallifrey, he just has the entire population slaughtered and unceremoniously turned into cybermen offscreen. all of that makes the time lord lore feel utterly pointless, and you cringe at the notion that some future producer will just undo the cybermen upgrades and bring them back again. you feel numb to it all.
@dmann1982
@dmann1982 Жыл бұрын
There is also there are different times of a location. Example: New Earth just as it has been colonised.
@joshsimpson1283
@joshsimpson1283 Жыл бұрын
I really like the idea of revisiting planets more. It would be really interesting to explore and get to know some other planet, and it would make world ending threats feel more threatening if we knew there was nothing preventing the writers from actually going through with it. On the other hand, I actually hate the idea of creating star maps. They're hard to do well on screen, and they're very limiting. Not to mention that it's already been shown that some advanced societies have the ability to move planets across vast distances so they wouldn't even be useful
@TomCee53
@TomCee53 Жыл бұрын
How far from home is meaningless to the TARDIS. Reusing worlds would be fine, especially if old foes resurface.
@DoctorWhoHome1
@DoctorWhoHome1 Жыл бұрын
I agree!! I’d like Doctor who canon to be tightened a little bit but not to the same level of Star Wars though! Maybe the Whotopia book could do that!
@carolinemcgovern4488
@carolinemcgovern4488 Жыл бұрын
I complety agree! I wish there was a full guide for this kind of thing.
@imperatoriacustodum4667
@imperatoriacustodum4667 Жыл бұрын
I've always wanted the doctor, with a companion, to look up at a night sky and just go "see that space between those three stars? About x million light years away is your home. If we looked at it through a microscope from here, we'd see you still learning how to walk" or something like that.
@mayotango1317
@mayotango1317 Жыл бұрын
That was the series 5 promo. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e9aSoLCZs8uakXU.html
@larrytalbot3824
@larrytalbot3824 Жыл бұрын
They should do another creepy episode on the ‘Midnight’ planet.
@confused.pigeon
@confused.pigeon Жыл бұрын
I agree with the sentiment, but 2 big problems are the use of the companion within the narrative, as well as the budget The companions are vehicles for the audience to experience the universe through and ask the sorts of questions we would ask - an alien would have an entirely different frame of reference for the adventures, and might leave us a viewers confused bc there's no valid reasons to explain what both the Doctor and the companion already know as common sense Budget-wise, Earth as a setting requires far less money for the background etc, and having another home planet for the companion would leave no real explanation as for why they keep coming back to Earth and not the home planet when the show needs to save some money
@crystalcortexx
@crystalcortexx Жыл бұрын
The jokes on you: I'm not wearing boxers.
@lightbearer313
@lightbearer313 Жыл бұрын
I noticed fairly quickly after NuWho started the difference to classic Who, as old Who had a significant portion of stories set on other worlds, and when on Earth it was often the past or future. Whereas NuWho had too many stories set on Earth, particularly modern London. Of course, often these stories were still pretty good, but more variety of setting would be welcome.
@isaacstovell867
@isaacstovell867 Жыл бұрын
"consistent" is not & has never been part of Doctor Who's creative DNA
@inspector2363
@inspector2363 Жыл бұрын
If RTD made an "alien" planet the recurring focus it would end up being a twin of 21st century Earth with extra gadgets.
@marcuswalters8093
@marcuswalters8093 Жыл бұрын
The deep future of New new new new (etc) York seems to have been visited a load of times and there seems to be a rough timeline of humans leaving the Earth for a period following a rash of solar flares with a load of episodes alluding to it. I like that very loose timeline that suggests rather than defines this future.
@mayotango1317
@mayotango1317 Жыл бұрын
No, that is a stupid idea that ruin 80's Doctor Who.
@peterthompson1989
@peterthompson1989 Жыл бұрын
I'm not bothered about seeing alien worlds more than once although a few repeat viewings would be nice. I just want variety. More alien worlds, companions who aren't from present day etc.
@jeremygeorgia4943
@jeremygeorgia4943 Жыл бұрын
What about the "RDIS"? The TARDIS is more than a time machine. It's possible to visit variations of worlds they've already visited, in time periods that they've been before, but also in variations that they've never visited before. Without Gallifrey as a governing body, maybe that can open up a multiverse. In general, the entire DW timeline seems to be treated as linear, with the ability to go back & create loops. Occasionally they have parallel lands for Rose to get stuck in, but they don't seem to mess with those much. I would think that a TARDIS would be able to easily visit & navigate a multiverse, with multiple parallel worlds. They don't have to be Sliders EVERY episode, but they could mix some of that in.
@mayotango1317
@mayotango1317 Жыл бұрын
Is not
@mayotango1317
@mayotango1317 Жыл бұрын
It's not possible, the TARDIS loses power in another universe. And without the Time Lords, the walls are closed.
@Tulf42
@Tulf42 8 ай бұрын
If you want to see a show that has a planet like New Earth being used as a regular setting and has the ludicrous current Earth stories like Kill the Moon and In the Forest of the Night set in New Earth's time period, then I point to Futurama that took full advantage of this concept, even if it is still Earth but only a millennium in the future, but Futurama also has other planets and locations in the show's universe that are frequently visited as well as the many one-off locations.
@PhialSubstance
@PhialSubstance Жыл бұрын
I mostly agree, but I will say that Skaro and Gallifrey move around. For example, In Hell Bent The General says they've "positioned" Gallifrey at the far end of the space-time continuum. That implies they can physically move the planet, and the Daleks were known for fitting planets with rocket boosters for various reasons. Pretty sure both sides would have had to move their homeworlds around a lot during the time war. Let's not forget the Doctor keeps a whole galaxy in his TARDIS, so we know they can move stellar objects.
@kylenetherwood8734
@kylenetherwood8734 7 ай бұрын
I think one recurring location per era (usually per doctor) would work well. They should be replaced so not to confuse people or ruin it with contradictions. With that in mind, only RTD1 has succeeded in NewWho.
@captaindemobeard9560
@captaindemobeard9560 Жыл бұрын
Very good summery my friend, and it brings up a point that has been bugging me as well. I think the issue with the later stories (Especually in Peter Capaudi onwards) is that the writers are so concentrated with new locations, they tend to forget the older ones we classic fans are familiar with. As for contridiction within the timeline however, they kind of explained that in the plot of Series 5 with the cracks in time. I always assume that if there is something in the law that doesn't line up with something in the past, perhaps a crack in time erased it and thus changed the future. (But the Doctor being a time traveller remebers it all as explained at the end of "Flesh and Stone") You also have a point about the companions needing to sometimes be from space. Now that I think about it, Only 3 of Tom Baker's companions were from earth. (Sarah Jane Smith, Harry Sullivan, and Tegan.) All the others are from other worlds. And even in the 60s you have companions from differnet timelines there in the Tardis together. (Zoe from the 21st Century, and Jamie from the 18th Century as an example.) Personally however, (Unless Russel T Davies makes the show better in the 60th Anniversary onwards,) I consider Season 9 the Ending of the Show. Since it explains what happened to Gallifrey after the 50th Anniversay, and concludes Clara's story. Pretty much ending the same way as the Sarah Jane Adventures. "And the Story Continues". I don't consider Jodie's Series Canon because it has way to many contridictions to the point it doesn't feel like Doctor Who anymore. The Classic Series was cancelled in 1989 because they were going to do a similar plot where the Doctor was more than a Timelord. It's a concept that doesn't work. The Doctor is more intersting as just a runaway with a mysterious past who wants to see the world.
@fernandogarajalde4066
@fernandogarajalde4066 Жыл бұрын
Problem with revisiting worlds from previous episodes is that the script writer owns the rights to those stories (e.g. Skaro and the Daleks). The original writer has to get paid as well as the new writer. 🧐
@Aejums
@Aejums 10 ай бұрын
While I've got nothing against the points you make, I'm not a big fan of how clickbaity this title and thumbnail are. You seem better than that.
@livinghomunculus657
@livinghomunculus657 Жыл бұрын
Skaro was not in the TV movie or asylum of the daleks. It was mentioned in the prologue of the movie, and the dalek prison was a different planet. It was the main setting of twice upon a time however.
@sacrificiallamb4568
@sacrificiallamb4568 Жыл бұрын
You mean Witch's Familiar. Twice Upon A Time was on the banana grove planet or Earth.
@YaakovHynds
@YaakovHynds Жыл бұрын
It was shown in the Tv movie.
@erosion271
@erosion271 Жыл бұрын
Sharp is in the tv movie. We see the master get executed on it. It’s the daleks we don’t physically see
@armyfirefighter
@armyfirefighter Жыл бұрын
If you want to incorporate Gallifrey again, of a sort at least, I would really make Karn and the Sisterhood a focus. So many stories to tell. Making Karn survive while the Time Lords are gone. Perhaps restoring Gallifrey using the Sister’s knowledge and the irony of the Time Lords owing their existence to the Sisters. It is way to explore so many of those dangling bits of Gallifrey culture we’ve been given. And who else to help the Doctor make sense of the Timeless Child really than the Sisterhood. Again, it would be crazy if the Sisters always knew and that was part of the reason they left Gallifrey in search of a method of regeneration that didn’t invoke what the Time Lords did. Karn offers so many stories that are in the vein that the Classic series treated Gallifrey but to really help address some of what the Chibnall era has done.
@cybermatstrikes7557
@cybermatstrikes7557 Жыл бұрын
Classic Who directors achieved a lot of tactile world-building without CGI using organic and re-dressed real-world settings. So often in New Who, they cut to full CGI matt or greenscreen for alien worlds. I really enjoy revisiting a world. BTTF does an iconic job in this regard by binding the exact location backwards and forwards in time with recognisable elements for the audience to latch onto. When it is done in Who it is often let down by almost no attempt to bring continuity from a previous story. How much better would Destiny of the Daleks be if they had gone to the trouble of reconstituting the original design elements of the bunker where they discover Davros. Or Attack of the Cybermen if the tombs looked like the Telos in Tomb of the Cybermen.
@mayotango1317
@mayotango1317 Жыл бұрын
Continuity kinda ruin 80's Doctor Who.
@skinner219
@skinner219 Жыл бұрын
Well with the BBC working with Disney + on the budget, we might see some old or new planets.
@gemstonesvideograpghy6672
@gemstonesvideograpghy6672 Жыл бұрын
With a big budget they need to get away from Earth all the time. Plenty of good locations in the U.K. for a good setting of alien landscapes. Alien invasions on Earth and UNIT is getting tired. RTD needs to get a grip with the show.
@rogershore3128
@rogershore3128 Жыл бұрын
I think the shows major problem today is a complete lack of imagination.... It's that simple...
@mayotango1317
@mayotango1317 Жыл бұрын
As RTD say: If you’re on Planet Zog, and the Zog people are fighting with the Zog Monster, I don’t give a toss! Who cares about that?"
@spaceanarchist1107
@spaceanarchist1107 Жыл бұрын
That's the Web Planet. It was very innovative for its time, although the special effects are dated to the point of laughability. I personally like the idea of an episode focused on insectoid characters with their own culture. With current CGI it could be made visually more appealing.
@thehappywerewolf
@thehappywerewolf Жыл бұрын
It did change and it almost killed the show viewing figures don't lie. Leap of imagination weren't the biggest problem with Moffat and Chibbs era. Story tying up story arks exetra. The old girl takes him where she wants to go.
@mayotango1317
@mayotango1317 Жыл бұрын
No, the real problem is RTD turn the show into a soap opera.
@john_savage
@john_savage Жыл бұрын
I am SO on board with a better delineation of the Dalek Empire. Too often it feels to me as if the Daleks pop up after some period of absence, start an evil plan, have some degree of success, get defeated by the Doctor, and then vanish again. Makes them seem more like locusts that show up very so often, cause some damage and die. A nuisance more than an archenemy. An occasional focus on the true power and reach of the empire when the Doctor isn't paying attention to the Daleks would make them seem more of a threat, imho.
@mayotango1317
@mayotango1317 Жыл бұрын
That works with the Daleks. They are locuts Daleks.
@richardjames6947
@richardjames6947 Жыл бұрын
I wish The Doctor would visit Earth pre-human history, perhaps the Mesoproterozoic, my favorite place to holiday.
@mayotango1317
@mayotango1317 Жыл бұрын
A Silurian story?
@richardjames6947
@richardjames6947 Жыл бұрын
@@mayotango1317 The Silurian Period (443.7 to 416.0 million years ago) would be interesting if it showed a thriving civilization on earth but The Mesoproterozoic Era (1,600 to 1,000 million years ago) would be more interesting as less is known about it. Perhaps an entirely different/unknown advanced civilization that is neither mammal nor reptilian.
@idle_speculation
@idle_speculation 6 ай бұрын
@@richardjames6947he’s talking about the Silurian race(named because they were living in an underground city beneath Silurian-aged rocks), which rose and fell somewhere around the late Cretaceous/early Paleogene
@harryhughes6124
@harryhughes6124 10 ай бұрын
I see your point, but I’ve always found doctor who so relatable bc it’s about humans and Earth. As RTD said, why should I care if the alien bogal invaded the planet bogal. But if the alien bogal threatened earth and humanity, then id care. I would approach this as not different planets, but just different time eras of humanity, like series 1
@chase1146
@chase1146 8 ай бұрын
absolutely we should get some more alien worlds. the issue with dr who not having maps or knowing where stuff is is that unlike star wars which takes place in one galaxy. dr who takes place through the entire universe and all of time. and shits constantly changing apparently. id fully expct that the daleks have multiple ships going everywhere, probably only a very small group of them actually stay on skaro where nothing needs exterminating.
@davidagnew6191
@davidagnew6191 Жыл бұрын
I agree that doing some proper world-building would be really interesting (ecosystems, weather, vegetation, animals, architecture, trade and even alien politics). It hasn't been done very well so far - for example Chibnall did a planet with 3 suns but the characters only had one shadow. It would also be great if they did accurate history when they do Earth historicals - so that viewers would get to see what a time-traveller would actually see if they visited Roman London, or the Cretaceous period or whatever. Maybe Disney money will make it possible.
@8181888
@8181888 6 ай бұрын
If they could stop destroying Gallifrey it would be nice to see a modern companion who isn’t Clara visit the planet of the time lords
@owenshebbeare2999
@owenshebbeare2999 Жыл бұрын
Did Jimmy put his trousers on? We can hope.
@golden_gloo
@golden_gloo Жыл бұрын
With the right writing, a revisit to Midnight could turn out great.
@chronicguardian9684
@chronicguardian9684 Жыл бұрын
Give Strax a companion arc. That's all I'mma say.
@upschutt4842
@upschutt4842 Жыл бұрын
If everything goes as it did the last seasons I would be completely fine, if the Doctor visited Trenzalore for a last time...
@MexieMex
@MexieMex Жыл бұрын
The big problem with Who currently is terrible writing rather than where stuff is set. As long as everything it tied to 'current year' politics the franchise is screwed. It's fine to have allegorical references, but they need to be done well are weaved into the story rather than acting as a lazy substitute for a story, and that brings us back to the quality of the writing, and the skill of the writers.
@Lia-zw1ls7tz7o
@Lia-zw1ls7tz7o 4 ай бұрын
13:20 That name always cofuses me because Mutter is German for mother (the U is pronounced like the oo in the English word "cook"). I wonder if that was intentional.
@williammitchell4417
@williammitchell4417 Жыл бұрын
"Peladon, I don't want to go," If we could revisit Logopolis, that would be cool 😁
@ealtar
@ealtar Жыл бұрын
there is still the doctor's "cloneish" daugter roaming about unfortunately the most overdue thing for doctor who at this point is to be cast into the fire ........................
@timecontroller8800
@timecontroller8800 Жыл бұрын
Really good video, as to the location of skaro it’s heavily implied and even stated that skaro isn’t in the muture spiral which makes sense as I’ve always thought that the dalek empire was a galactic power in control of its home galaxy as other wise I don’t think it would be much of a threat and in the second dalek war while the army on spiridon was destroyed they still had loads of fleets and army’s to attack are galaxy and in master plan the dalek empire and several other empires were planning to invade the muture spiral establishing a forward base on Kemble to plan the attack if skaro was in this galaxy that would probably be used as the base of operations for that plan
@NileSWPhotography
@NileSWPhotography Жыл бұрын
Sometimes the doctor will say it’s so and so miles away from earth but definitely agree that it should be more of a lore in the series
@johnydl
@johnydl Жыл бұрын
I kind of agree with most of this But I also disagree on principle to some of the stuff at the end, just having things be too concrete too in the lore too cannonised can lead to the Star Trek problem where they're too worried about breaking the lore to tell stories, I'm not saying that would necessarily happen to DW but I don't want it to be so tied down that it can't breathe, given it's a time travel show embracing that where is relative to when is a good idea, stars do move and orbit one another and so "in that direction, a couple of hundred lightyears a couple of millennia ago" would be reasonable within our own galaxy at least, for beyond that, other galaxies being too tied down is interesting but it's also 'who cares?' it's not like the precise location makes a difference other than to tie the story up in string so if a writer wanted the Jadoon to have a boarder war with the Slitheen they have to now worry that once some long ago writers said that they were in opposite directions from earth. Fans can be really sticklers for established lore too, twelve regenerations, thirteen faces, was said once I think in the original run and the amount of juggling and scripting that was done in New Who specifically to deal with that limit, it cropped up in so many modern stories, The Wedding of Sarah Jane, The Day of the Doctor, The Time of the Doctor, The Name of the Doctor, The whole Timeless Child arc seemed to be to deal with it. One writer said one line of text once, decades ago, and now we need it to be a plot point in half a dozen stories. Why add excessive extra red tape to the story if you don't have to?
@qvcybe
@qvcybe Жыл бұрын
i am on the fence about it having to have a fixed location mostly as i started watching doctor who just before the 10th doctor being very confused when i saw one ep who had the doctor before 10th and then another one with 10th (till i rewatched most of new who up to the flux arc) i was soso on the timeless child and flux as timeless child felt like it was a bit cheep and flux only had a few small parts i liked o i did watch the specials as well witch i liked the older new who ones but not the one after flux (well i liked it for the fact it removed the female doctor as i never really liked her as she didn't have the same energy as all the ones before her)
@Sicmunduscreatusest949
@Sicmunduscreatusest949 8 ай бұрын
1:23 I wonder what the guy called Jimmy who was sat in his boxers is doing rn
@yourimaginaryfriend9075
@yourimaginaryfriend9075 Жыл бұрын
How about a episode where the Doctor has to do laundry bc he or she has no clean clothes to wear. Oh and the Doctors enemies give him a break to do so b\c facing a time lord in dirty clothes would be embarrassing for them.
@SkellaTore
@SkellaTore Жыл бұрын
Very simple yet brilliant ideas they really should incorporate
@mayotango1317
@mayotango1317 Жыл бұрын
Why do you want to limit and restrict the TARDIS?
@McKenough
@McKenough Жыл бұрын
I'll watch KZfaq in my boxers as much as I damn well like! Honestly, that bit was too accurate.
@chriso5507
@chriso5507 Жыл бұрын
Right? Honestly bold to assume im wearing boxers
@thomas965o
@thomas965o Жыл бұрын
@@chriso5507Stop because why is this so true …
@Name-ot3xw
@Name-ot3xw 8 ай бұрын
I think Dr. Who is going in the right direction, in that it is a kids show and they appear to be trying to move away from producing fanwank for 40+ year olds. Capaldi is my favorite, but I am also rapidly becoming an old person.
@TimesFM4532
@TimesFM4532 Жыл бұрын
Hopefly the bigger buget means they can do interesting things
@jennymckinnon9528
@jennymckinnon9528 Жыл бұрын
I always wanted to see Peladon again
@simongardner3766
@simongardner3766 Жыл бұрын
Why do the writers use these silly timescales? In five billion years New Earth would be a lot more advanced than that. Still I agree that Doctor Who has become too Earth centric. Neither the recent Doctor or companions were very sci-fi. It was more like watching a drama, which to be fair is Chris Chibnall's actual genre of writing. The Doctor should also go back to acquiring a companion after an episode they feature in, so we have the back story straight away.
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