Coming back here after the Revolution of the Daleks review and it occurs to me that this basically feels like a Chibnall era script - not bad, but overstuffed with ideas, token character development, lots of travelling around for little reason, strange priorities with the general focus of what's important and what's not (i.e. we'll get Peinforte monologuing in a limo but not her backstory VS. we'll initiate a Dalek civil war but not really see much of it)

Mr TARDIS 20K subscribers The scene where the 7th Doctor and Ace annoy the CyberLeader is hilarious. CyberLeader: "Give me the Bow. Give me the Bow! Give me the Bow! Give me the Bow!!! Kill him!!!"

@Newsbender Yo! I'm from North America.

I remember it was a thrill seeing Anton Diffring in Doctor Who, as I always liked him in Where Eagles Dare. Apparently, he understood the material even less than Beryl Reid...

Edit: I hugely apologise for spelling Peinforte’s name wrong.

Next time you see him you should simply say "Social Workers!"

@@GreatHealer. actually he's a working actor he's well known for tons of different stuff

@@johngurnhill8743 can we get a name ?

@@Lego1upMushroom, yeah that would be interesting

@@mahfuzurchowdhury2765 Symond Lawes

He’s doing Big Finish now.

@@jonathanbermudez546 I forgot about that. Also I think there's a story where the Earthshock Leader returns.

@@Jedi_Spartan_38 That would probably be the 5th Doctor story, ‘Conversion’. I’m not sure if it’s the same Cyberleader, but David Banks also returns in the 6th Doctor story, ‘Hour of the Cybermen’

He was in the suit

Given that McCoy and Aldred had only worked together on a handful of stories, their chemistry this season was fantastic. What a badass Ace was, too!

These Cyberman costumes actually look really scary and intimidating in low lighting.

Or the Rowan Atkins "Curse of the Fatal Death".

That's why she's one of the best companions up there with Sarah Jane and Jamie Mccrimmon

They bother me too because they're a pair of cricket batsmen's gloves sprayed silver. If you look carefully the 'fat fingers' aren't even consistently on both hands e.g. 9:40 I believe the top hand is more important to protect when batting because the lower hand wraps around the back of the bat.

Me too.

Same. I'm glad you pointed that out because they were driving me mad when I first noticed them.

Or some semblance of a story full stop.

The Doctor Who team only has 14 episodes for Season 23, 25, 24 and 26. It was either make this 4 parts or make The Greatest Show in the Galaxy 4 parts.

@@agirlfromcambridge4517 They should have made this 4 parts - There's easily 30 minutes of filler in GSitG! In fact the entire first episode of that story could be excised!

There's never a dull moment, and there are some solid performances to take your mind off the chaotic plot.

@@ftumschk what you on about? It barely even registered as Dr.Who to me by this time in the classic era. I couldn't even sit through an entire episode even though I still tuned in to see what was getting ruined that particular week. The stories just got worse and worse from about the end of Peter's run and despite my feelings towards Colin's portrayal being quite positive, apart from the naff costume the show was just getting drowned in rubbish by the likes of JNT and co. to the point where it seemed like the production team were deliberately going out of their way to turn the programme into this absolute joke. Allowing for bad writing,bad acting and worse effects than even the worst of the 60s serials. I still don't understand why anybody can watch Sylvester McCoy's portrayal of the Doctor (god knows I've tried for years, and I'm Scottish)without just bursting out laughing and switching off. I've had to force myself to sit through his stories just to keep up with the continued tales of my favourite time lord, in fact I'm not that bothered by Jodie Whitaker as a lot of people are because IMO she head and shoulders above that horrible little twerp, not to mention pairing him up with Bonnie bastard Langford? But this has to be one of even his worst turning the Cybermen into complete and utter useless villain's that wouldn't even frighten the audience of Button Moon and having Ace take them to out as easily as she did the Daleks in that other pile of drivel. It would be great if they retconned the Timeless Children and at the same time wiped out the entire 7th Doctor era as well as sneaking back a few episodes to get rid of Bonnie bastard Langford as well. Oh well rant over for now.

@@bendream544 What I'm "on about" is my own opinion, to which I am as much entitled as you are to yours. As it happens, I'm not a huge fan of McCoy either (I think he's the most limited actor to have played the part) and Silver Nemesis is a shambolic story, but I can enjoy it on its own terms, and I certainly don't find it dull.

@@ftumschk nobody is trying to take your opinion away from you just calm down a little bit this is only friendly banter remember.

@@bendream544 I am calm. It was you who responded to my brief original post by asking "What you on about?" as if my opinion was invalid, before launching into a lengthy rant.

For me, it's... 1. Earthshock - 10/10 2. The Tomb of the Cybermen - 9/10 3. The Invasion - 8/10 4. The Five Doctors - 8/10 5. The Tenth Planet - 7/10 6. Attack of the Cybermen - 7/10 7. Silver Nemesis - 7/10 8. The Wheel in Space (based on the novelization I've read) - 5/10 9. Revenge of the Cybermen - 2/10 The Moonbase is excused because I haven't seen it.

It made me want to call in The Death Sqaud Daleks.

We are the borg you’ll be assimilated and service us and your technology assets and culture will be added to the borg collective,resistance is futile.

Would you like to go down memory lane and buy my original poster for the stage play? It's still in good condition.

We're probably getting Spare Parts and maybe The Silver Turk from BF, Cyberwoman is an almost given (I don't know if we'll be doing Ghosts/Doomsday again), perhaps we'll get Blood of the Cybermen again to represent videogames. Perhaps Supremacy of the Cybermen as the official Cyberman 50th anniversary story as a dive into the comics. Cyberman Season 1 and 2 would be good to see reviewed considering I haven't actually heard them.

@@benw4409 Yeah, I'm also sort of interested to learn where stuff like the Cyberman and Dalek Empire fall into the timeline as the former is most likely in the late 25th Century or in the far future as Telos has been destroyed by (I think) an asteroid but the Tombs are still intact which means that it's post Tomb of the Cybermen and yet Humanity aren't at war with them which means it's either before Earthshock or centuries after since in that episode Humans and several other species were preparing to ally with each other to stop the Cybermen. As for Dalek Empire, I have no idea other than it being post The Apocalypse Element (Main Range 16). No idea why I mentioned Dalek Empire other than the fact that both are free on Spotify along with Sword of Orion, Spare Parts and Human Resources.

The Cyberwoman/Lone Cyberman thing I kind of view as failing in different ways in that with the former you have an immediate fail with the concept being butchered from the off (I think it's fair to say that Trek did better with their sexy Borg than Who with it's sexy Cybermen regardless) whereas with the latter you have a concept that starts pretty strong but just gets worse as it goes along culminating in a real lame end. I'm not sure which is worse in terms of overall frustration. Incidentally, that whole thing makes me wary of the statement that "Chibs got the Cybermen right" because not only was that Cybermen an exception to the rule but that didn't even last long. And that's not even getting into the Cyberhead Drones or the Cyber Time Lords.

@@defrostedrobot77 also I think the main reasons why the Lone Cyberman succeeded where Cyberwoman failed is a) because Doctor Who has a lower age rating, b) the designers were less immature when designing the former and c) the latter actually exists.

@@Jedi_Spartan_38 I don't get the last point. I mean none of this exists technically right?

For me, Dalek stories generally range from good to exceptional, with the only exceptions being Destiny of the Daleks and the three penned by Steven Moffat. Apart from three or four exceptions that I've seen, the Daleks have a really good track record for enjoyable stories.

@@DalekTheSupreme exactly. Maybe there's just more of a want to make a quality story when it comes to Daleks? Who knows

I think the reason there are a lot of weak cybermen stories is because most of the writers see them as a potential marketing tool to draw people in. Best example I can think of is the next doctor which literally teased itself dramatically in journeys end’s next time trailer as “the return of the cybermen”, then you watch the story & they basically don’t do anything. Then you have stories like attack of the cybermen & nightmare in silver, both written by people who love the cybermen but tell a really rubbish story.

@@BH-98 I think you're absolutely right. I think in addition tho, many early stories didn't really "get" the Cybermen. It feels like writers thought of them as just robots and nothing more, I mean they didn't even show the conversion process until "Attack of the Cybermen". The new series at least seems to grasp that

Those are the next Big Finish stories I buy.

Mark Hardy was in the Bill for ages

God the very thought

"What if Cyberman sexy?"

Not really, this hasn't been a plan 30 years in the making 🤣

They were the first Cyberman toys I bought. I now have a Leader and three subordinates (one is a Leader with painted handlebars), in addition to a similar squadron of Cybus Cybermen, the Pandorica guard, a couple other Classic Cyberman variants, and the smaller scale 2013 Cyberman.

No, he's going to be talking about a Stageplay from 1989 called Doctor Who: The Ultimate Adventure

@@maldon3659 which I've still got an original promotional poster for if anyone fancies buying it?

In terms of Cyberman stories that could reach this level I probably wouldn't have Nightmare in Silver or Dark Water/Death in Heaven on this tier since there's at least a couple more bits of interest. Maybe Next Doctor. The Timeless Children is a definite contender tho.

Legendary? McCoy and Aldred? God only slightly more watchable than McCoy and Bonnie bastard Langford. He is what put Dr.Who into the cupboard for years so much so that they really didn't want him involved with the TV movie when it was made. And guess what? He ruins every bloody scene he is in in that and is probably the reason why the proposed series was shelved because people switched off in their droves before Paul Mcgann's excellent Doctor got going.

Fiona Walker played Kara in the Hartnell story the Keys of Marinus and is quite good in one of his less than perfect stories although it does have its moments. I was really disappointed when I eventually got to see it again as for years before the VHS tapes began releasing the old tales, it was only available as a Target novelisation written really well by Philip Hinchcliffe who did a great job considering he hadn't worked on the show during Hartnell's era.

I know who she is...