Does An eBike Make You Faster Than A Fitness Freak XC Rider?

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Күн бұрын

It seems a lot of people get triggered by EMTB and shout "eBikes are cheating!!! 😤" any time an E-Bike is near a regular mountain bike.. But is it really cheating, and how much of an advantage? And can we both have fun on a day out?
To tackle this subject, our XC whippet Rich Payne arranged a ride with Steve Jones from our sister channel @embn
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@gmbn 13 күн бұрын

What challenges would you like to see on Steve and Rich's next head-to-head?

@CraigDuka 13 күн бұрын

How about both you on the same eMTB, the young fit rider against the not so young not so fit rider. Probably a video for the EMBN channel.

@junka1975 13 күн бұрын

Give them a trials challenge on the same bikes and get Martyn to set the challenges.

@jrcollings 13 күн бұрын

I'd like to see them go on a longer distance adventure together so we can see how they both fair putting down more miles over a longer time - should really highlight how an ebike can help mere mortals go further and longer with their fitter, younger brethren, and everyone has a good time.

@MavicMax 13 күн бұрын

How about doing a 62 mile challenge for both where Steve could only utilize whatever battery power that the ebike have. Should Steve's ebike run out of power during the challenge, Steve would have to go analogue until the 62 mile mark. Then we could see whether Steve or Rich would have a shorter 62 mile time.

@Renovatio2142 13 күн бұрын

going for adventure with an full specs, strongest ebikes together to some exotic area ;)

@JeffMTBinVA 13 күн бұрын

Came for the riding, stayed for the comedy 😂

@richardpayne5176 13 күн бұрын

Same as me that day 😅

@ecopennylife 13 күн бұрын

Loved the banter between these two, both eMTB and 'normal' MTB riders are winners as they are both getting outdoors & having fun.

@TheTrailRabbit 11 күн бұрын

wrong, stay off MTB trails with your moped.

@jrcollings 13 күн бұрын

Being old (61) & heavy (250#+) I identify more with Steve here, but both are much fitter than I am. I have an emtb, an XC and a road bike... The emtb isn't cheating as you aren't racing anyone else or concealing it, you are just using a tool that enables you to get out there and do things you otherwise could not. Awesome, fun video guys, anything that shows how much pleasure can be had cycling and demonstrates how people of different ages and fitness can bridge the gap and go have fun together has to be a good thing!

@45graham45 13 күн бұрын

61 old? You're old before your time then. No reason why us 60 - 70 yr olds can't be as fit or even fitter than most 30 -40 olds.

@douglasalexander4348 13 күн бұрын

@@45graham45 Yes, if your on drugs 😂 Ok, just to bring you back to reality. How many Tour de France riders are 60-70 ?

@45graham45 12 күн бұрын

@@douglasalexander4348 Afaik none. But that is beside the point. They are competing & so are the very best. 60 - 70 yr olds can (& often should be with decent lifestyle choices) still be very fit. - Fitter than what most 30 40 yr olds that I know or have met. Not as fit as the best of the best in their 20's say but still very fit. Also of course Tour De France riders have often been proven to be on illegal performance enhancing drugs anyway so comparing any normal person with them is moot anyhow.

@douglasalexander4348 10 күн бұрын

@@45graham45 Yes, it was my humour, that you COULD compete in the TF if you had the right ‘equipment’ ie brown paper bag haha. I’m 65 and kitesurfing, so yes, age is a freakin’ nuisance when it comes to repairing injuries, but you can still be capable.

@jeffmcilroy7081 3 күн бұрын

Im 51 and have a really bad knee, my e-bike takes off enough pressure that I can still get out there and have fun and get at least some degree of fitness, otherwise I’d be a couch potato

@hallunkr 13 күн бұрын

That was fun to watch! More of that please!

@45graham45 13 күн бұрын

'I ain't calling you Daddy" lol.

@richardpayne5176 11 күн бұрын

Facts!!! 🤣

@nerdexproject 13 күн бұрын

Fantastic pair!😂

@yyams 13 күн бұрын

Yes please, more hot Steve on Rich action.

@richardpayne5176 11 күн бұрын

Thanks mate, watch this space :)

@karelmacha5431 13 күн бұрын

Recovering from the ACL surgery here, I would certainly appreciate more of Steve and Rich!! 😊

@richardpayne5176 11 күн бұрын

Heal uup quick mate and be careful what you wish for lol

@karelmacha5431 10 күн бұрын

@@richardpayne5176 Awesome, cant wait! 😁 And thank you, mate...💪

@575ban 13 күн бұрын

Some folks might care about ebike v mtb, for me, the craic is for more interesting. Well done you two, this is one of the best collaborations of EMBN and GMBN I've watched. Yes, more please. Oh, how old is Steve Jones 🙄🤔🤫

@Nomads_Rowing 13 күн бұрын

Age does make a difference when it comes to max HR for training - as a VERY rough guide, 220-your age is a starting point but a better measure of fitness is how quickly you return to your resting rate after training 🤔

@fegasegiawan3440 13 күн бұрын

Three minutes in and having a laugh watching them. More Rich and Steve, please!

@gmbn 11 күн бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!

@o0jejouemal0o 13 күн бұрын

As a 40 yo, out of shape emtb rider I can answer this question : moderately fit riders run circles around me, it’s depressing. Granted I chose a “super light” model because I wanted to just be able to go a little further and keep the same feeling on the trail.

@solidsnake2030 13 күн бұрын

Well you said it 'out of shape'.. Try to get in shape. Ebikes will just make you lazier. Force yourself to go up hills without assistance, nor dismounting from your bike. That's what helped me.

@45graham45 13 күн бұрын

@@solidsnake2030Was just about to say exactly the same thing. So many people from 30+ seem to think it is mandatory to be fat & unhealthy. Wrong of course.

@solidsnake2030 13 күн бұрын

@45graham45 agreed.. it's definitely harder to get in shape the older you get, but it's also all about will power and defeating that little voice in your head that tells you to take the easier more comfortable routes/paths. It's a struggle, but once you do it few times and push yourself, it'll definitely make a big difference.

@mattgoeswheelin 12 күн бұрын

“Out of shape” well ditch the e-bike and get in shape. Problem solved

@andyrogers747 13 күн бұрын

Ooo this duo is fire 🔥 great video chaps 👏

@WaechterDerNacht 13 күн бұрын

How do those fitness values change with age? I guess that would be great video to send Steve to a VO2 max test and then compare with the younger folks and maybe Dan Lloyd pre- and post training regime values... (Yes, i actually only want to see Steve suffer through a full on VO2max/FTP test... no motors allowed there ^^ )

@raphaelwolff8205 13 күн бұрын

Rich and Steve well done guys,great head to head battle on 2 very different bikes.

@gerodonnell4211 13 күн бұрын

This the best of these " head to head" vids I've seen. Nice one lads. 👍

@CLEARRTC 8 күн бұрын

I want more of this, great video, good chemistry between the two of them too.

@srstrand01 13 күн бұрын

Steve and Rich ... The best combination of presenters! ... Please do more together.

@richardpayne5176 11 күн бұрын

Thanks dude stoked you liked the vid and im sure there will be more incoming

@BrentBehringer 13 күн бұрын

Great vid guys! As on older guy I’m on the hunt for an ETMB so I can keep trucking

@gmbn 11 күн бұрын

Go for it, have you got an eBike in mind?

@castaway7783 13 күн бұрын

I would love to see more of these two on rides the banter is amazing

@thedaftestnameicouldthinko8233 13 күн бұрын

I’d be interested to see e-bike vs trad on an endurance ride such as the Badger Divide when battery management becomes an issue

@dusansuba3961 13 күн бұрын

or some motor issues

@SylvainsShipyard 13 күн бұрын

That was a great video, love it! I want more!

@TimGasserPlus 10 күн бұрын

I’ve been up it on a unicycle 😂! Top class banter, really enjoyed this video

@ducatifila 13 күн бұрын

Loved it, great energy to keep us all entertained .

@recordednowhere 6 күн бұрын

When I first started riding again a couple years ago to get into shape, a way older person overtook me on a climb, easily. I was just about to get off my bike and walk, and he just breezed by. I felt so so bad and only realized some time later that he must have been riding an ebike. I think the feeling of humiliation I felt before I knew this was and still is what's fueling my training to this day 😂

@user-kk9ez9hg4z 12 күн бұрын

Retro bike with Modern rider vs. Modern bike with Retro rider

@Krzysztof_B 12 күн бұрын

Its great to see you Guys having fun like that.

@janpesek4862 11 күн бұрын

Very entertaining and informative video at the same time, absolute winner. I would appreciate showing a bit more info about both bikes and bikers as well.

@gmbn 10 күн бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! We'll try roll that in next time :)

@Desmond17 12 күн бұрын

It's become a standard with Jonesy videos to see him gracefully fall off a bike. If you look closely, it's not to dissimilar to a pudgy seal on the ice. Love the video guys, Steve & Rich are absolute gems !!

@markroberts7866 13 күн бұрын

Emtb’s make horrible climbs fun links to the next trail that’s how I look at it..

@WorkLessRideMore 12 күн бұрын

I can keep up with most ebike riders on my normal bike but I'm in insanely good shape.

@tomrodgers6629 13 күн бұрын

Rich should have installed bar ends. I went retro and put a set on my trail hardtail. I forgot how good these things are they are staying on.👍

@dirtsurfernz 11 күн бұрын

Good fun banter video. Love this stuff 😄

@gmbn 10 күн бұрын

Thanks for watching! We'll get father and son back for round 2

@tariksefic5628 13 күн бұрын

I enjoyed watching this. Rich and Steve are a great duo!

@akairborne 8 күн бұрын

They absolutely ended it correctly, "Cycling for the win!". Bikes are able to bring folks out that might not have been able to get out due to disabilities.

@widowmakersworld 10 күн бұрын

Didn't think I'd enjoy this video but it was a right laugh! Haha

@TheMirrorVision 13 күн бұрын

You guys are a great duo! Such a fun vid 😂

@gmbn 11 күн бұрын

Thank you!

@01FozzyS 13 күн бұрын

Always fun when Jonesey's around!

@helicopter12345678 13 күн бұрын

I agree Steve longer xc rides has got to go to a normal MTB nice vid Arthur

@mark12805 11 күн бұрын

Rich, “Want to see some more Steve and I action.” Steve, “Let’s finish this off.” Way too punny.

@CoachLo3 13 күн бұрын

Steve needs to be in more videos. It’s always an instant click for me when I see him 😁

@KevinT3141 13 күн бұрын

So much fun, what a great pairing!

@the_spanner_ch7mp 11 күн бұрын

Always a laugh and lots of excuses when Mr Jones is on the channel 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Great stuff Rich and Steve 🤘

@nickcutler7759 13 күн бұрын

Hired both a trail and lightweight ebike in Derby Tasmania a couple of weeks ago. All day epic rides, loved both bikes but will happily admit I loved the climbs more on the ebike. A few riders on non ebikes still got to the finish first. The high cost of ebikes and issues with flying with batteries because live in OZ have me still on the fence.

@Zwiesel66 11 күн бұрын

Nice, interesting challenge👍I ride both eMTB and MTB, although I like my eMTB very much, I do not like to ride it on very technical terrain, simply because it is way too heavy, which makes it hard to control. But no matter what bike, cycling is just a great sport.

@nevillepretorius8948 6 күн бұрын

Very cool video! Enjoyed this one! Rich and Steve made a good video 👍

@deancleavesmith 20 сағат бұрын

Too much fun, great to see interesting and really relevant comparison

@Carl_Black 13 күн бұрын

To me its all just ridin. Have fun people.

@garethhughes5745 13 күн бұрын

a hardtail 26" wheel lightweight bike from 20 years ago would get up these gentle climbs easily, they were the real mountain bikes that could go anywhere. I know as i regularly rode up about 200m of near vertical climb with tree roots on it and steps in the wet. Simply cant do that on a modern bike as the wheels are bigger, so the centre of gravity is too high and you cant get the right position, not to mention bigger wheeled bikes are also heavier, and you dont have triple chainsets anymore. (but i do on my Intense Tracer 275 from 2016) Just bring back the 26ers and have done with it. I cant help thinking that the bike industry has just gone for constant new fads and destroyed what was pure and good about biking. No pain, no gain.

@StephenRose-eu1vh 10 күн бұрын

We need to see more EMBN Vs GMBN challenges.

@satchmotionrc8202 7 күн бұрын

It was nice of rich to let the old boy win. Class act all the way👍

@cornishcactus 9 күн бұрын

Rumor has it Steve actually upped those heart rate numbers later that evening.

@skinny8019 13 күн бұрын

great video guys!

@ReFreshz1 13 күн бұрын

I've been on XC Races that had multiple categories and boy I've seen expert racer passing e bike racers E bike can be faster if you are really good on it and doesn't make mistakes coming in hot in corners causing you to brake a lot

@greengonzonz 13 күн бұрын

Yes please, more of all of the above 👍

@petersilie2432 11 күн бұрын

I'm really puzzled about Rich's power. I've yet to find a climb that I can't ride, but an ebike could. Traction always goes away before torque-power. Not bashing on ebikes - just wondering if Rich faltered for plot reasons.

@recordednowhere 6 күн бұрын

that's whats puzzled me as well. unless there is some kind of Schlupfregelung ;) traction control system , I can't see more power help with steep technical terrain...

@AlexHuber-nj1mm 13 күн бұрын

great vid

@erictrelz3519 13 күн бұрын

Rich, I enjoy your videos. Would like to see more content like this.

@richardpayne5176 11 күн бұрын

Thanks, there's more incoming dont yo worry 👊

@AyandaKula 13 күн бұрын

What model Canyon is that? and how much does it sell for?

@richardpayne5176 11 күн бұрын

its the Canyon Lux Trail, sorry not sure of the price

@panagiotiskioussis5634 13 күн бұрын

Nice video guys well done

@gmbn 11 күн бұрын

Cheers 🤘

@ssjj9584 12 күн бұрын

If you’re winded at the end of a trail you need to start pedaling. Stronger you are up ⬆️ the Stronger you are down ⬇️ I remember Mitch Paten at Pro Circuit mailed a pair of running shoes to one of his riders once because he was to winded and slow at the end of the race. E bikes just make you drink more beer and eat hamburgers 😂

@Costi1100 13 күн бұрын

More Steve!!!

@AFV85 10 күн бұрын

That's the part I'm abit wary off is the BPM zones after reading if you reach 170bpm stop what your doing straight away

@coolhead123 13 күн бұрын

Funny pair

@leetori1 13 күн бұрын

I’ve seen an old man on an e-bike vs a national champ XC racer and the e-bike won. This was a foregone conclusion

@danielcedolin2034 13 күн бұрын

What power do you have to go down to on a full fat Ebike before your even on a ride ? So full fat 85nm can be turned down to 10 nm keep doing a 3 k loop and turn it up 5 nm a time until your even for pace ? I recon it will be as low as 35 nm 🤔

@jmo2752 12 күн бұрын

Even 35Nm is appreciably more assistance than a regular bike, even though the eMTB weighs more. 15-20Nm is probably closer to having the same feel as a regular bike on reasonably flat XC type trail.

@danielcedolin2034 12 күн бұрын

@@jmo2752 I was thinking climbing as that’s when you need power

@jmo2752 12 күн бұрын

@@danielcedolin2034 it would climb like a regular (unassisted) bike too - ie. the 15/20Nm is what you need to negate the weight difference/motor drag - if you want to climb faster/more easily, then that is when you'd turn up your assistance level.

@jto-mtb 12 күн бұрын

This video shows the advantages and disadvantages of e MTBs. It also shows who they are made for.

@claudsdeluca 13 күн бұрын

Would really love to see heart rates and times on the xc loop on the ebike by the same fit rider!!

@gmbn 11 күн бұрын

That would be really interesting to see 🤔

@Mtb9r 13 күн бұрын

Steve looked like he might barf 🎉 good video guys

@gmbn 11 күн бұрын

Rich didn't go easy on him 🤢

@ridedirtymtb9938 13 күн бұрын

Seems like all these e-bike videos are in defense of how fast e-bikes are compared to a regular bike. We get it they are faster and you can do it with less endurance. I’ve never bragged about my ability’s to anyone who is slower than me but it seems that a large number of e-bike folks all seem to only discuss how fast they are when they used to be the slowest. They seem to let the motor get to their head. Not all but most.

@jmo2752 12 күн бұрын

The only time the compared how 'fast' they were, was the cross-country lap at the end - and Steven even pointed out it was a given... The rest of the time they were showing how much easier it is to climb steep and technical terrain when you have the extra torque of the motor-assistance, which is the main point of an eMTB - to make the terrain which is difficult or impossible (or at least exhausting) to climb, more fun.

@ridedirtymtb9938 12 күн бұрын

@@jmo2752 I mean it’s a given that it’s easier to do anything with a motor on a bike. It’s like beating a dead horse. We get it, it makes Mtb fun and easier for some people. I think we all get it.

@jmo2752 12 күн бұрын

@@ridedirtymtb9938 you'd think so by now, but then why do we still see ignorant comments any time this channel shows an eMTB?

@greengonzonz 13 күн бұрын

Damn near hurt myself laughing

@AFV85 10 күн бұрын

I've just watched the older video of this with Steve and the Girl from specialized on her SL and a armour vest lol let's just say it didn't go to well heavy on lighter ebike 😂 on the same climb aswell, Steve looks like he's lost a good bit weight from the older video of this

@dumwee 13 күн бұрын

dad and son action

@mountaincruiser817 13 күн бұрын

Where did I see this item before?

@wesdiezy 12 күн бұрын

British ebikes are hardly even ebikes with their 250w limit. Try this with a 750w nominal ebike.

@lacucaracha111111 13 күн бұрын

Depends, is it " legal" XD 250W is a joke (most places allow a 500W peak and 250 continous) when people can peak 500 and really trained people even 800

@pedalandypedal 13 күн бұрын

Steve stays

@deeplydisillusioned683 13 күн бұрын

Speaking of which, get Ritch's actual Dad back on.

@neildonoghue2399 11 күн бұрын

Alright Tony Bou!

@fredaodh 4 күн бұрын

steve has 66? thats right?!

@hotrodanimal2733 13 күн бұрын

More please. That was interesting. Steve is so funny. I'll probably never own an e bike myself. Still on the fence about them. I only got back into biking in 2020 but i have noticed the impact e bikes have had on the local trails. However that's not really the bikes fault, its the rider isn't it? if you are leaving ruts or spinning out , then you are tearing up the trail. Far too few people will fix any damage they do .

@gmbn 11 күн бұрын

Thank you! eBikes aren't really the issue, only way they might be doing more damage is by doing more laps 🤘 You can spin out, roost, tear up the trail on a non eBike as well. But more traffic means more maintenance, if we all helped with maintenance the trails would be looking fresher than ever 💪

@xxxedevtsrt 5 күн бұрын

Can he even use the gears? I mean, first challange and he didn't even put the right gear. Biased

@plokmko0 13 күн бұрын

#HugLife ... 🤟

@awfully.average 12 күн бұрын

Yes it does, my friend let me ride his ebike and I totally flew up the climb that I usually need 80% of my effort to make up.

@SergejGrabun 13 күн бұрын

10km loop is a very good bench for a full beans ride. Rich's avg HR is mental, absolutely mental. I usually never go above 168 (39yo) even on steepest longest climbs.

@MrSupermugen 11 күн бұрын

Hmm, If it wasnt for the banter this video would be anther crapper.

@CMOOREtbay 13 күн бұрын

🤣🤣🤣👍👍

@LaurentiusTriarius 13 күн бұрын

That was really fun to watch, I'm faster on a ebike but still faster than most ebiker on my dh casing tires 😂

@teamdoa 12 күн бұрын

I think people need to embrace the fact that it is "cheating" and not be bothered by it. Just have fun and do not be bothered by other people's comments. At the end of the day, there is no getting around it is literally a pedal cycle with a motor on it.

@abuckcat 13 күн бұрын

Is that what the e in ebike means excuses

@timfriesen3079 13 күн бұрын

Excuse for what? Having fun😂😂😂😂 wanker

@gmbn 11 күн бұрын

No excuses here considering the eBike won by a mile...

@abuckcat 11 күн бұрын

Rich said Steve if full of excuses not me lol it's just a joke no offense to ebikers 😊

@jaysealenduro5618 13 күн бұрын

Just saying generally Ebikes are Good for unfit people who still want to ride bikes. But Emtbikes are a cheat on the natural law of bicycle riding especially if you are very fit, its an embarrasment if one is very fit but prefer to ride motorized pedal assisted Bicycles on a regular basis. Especially performance Mtbiking where it can use and reveal the human's full potential of physical fitness without any assist.

@solidsnake2030 13 күн бұрын

I was riding my bike yesterday and some guy weights like 300 lbs was chilling on his ebike going up hills like it's nothing, meanwhile I was struggling and farting all the way up. So yeah it doesn't matter how fit you are, those ebike are cheat.

@jmo2752 12 күн бұрын

Cheating at what? you were out for a ride, and the fat guy was out for a ride - who cares?

@TheTrailRabbit 11 күн бұрын

The idea that you have to be a fitness freak to ride a real bike is hilarious. Ebikes just make you soft.

@jkkmobile 13 күн бұрын

Does ebike videos make mtb channel boring? Yes. Why even pedal when you could just press a button?

@bruceclarke6270 12 күн бұрын

Yep what's happened to GMBN? I have been riding MTB for 30 years & used to enjoy this channel. Now mostly E bikes so I am outer here.

@jmo2752 12 күн бұрын

That is not how Class-1 bikes work... you have to pedal to get the assistance. You really ought to know that by now, ever time comments like this appear...

@jkkmobile 12 күн бұрын

@@jmo2752 i know.. but there are many that work like that.

@jkkmobile 12 күн бұрын

@@jmo2752 the main point was that they have another channel for ebikes.

@jmo2752 12 күн бұрын

@@jkkmobile yes, but this a comparison between an eMTB and a regular MTB - do you not consider that interesting to anyone who might be into bicycles?