Does Disney Need to Chase Women?

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Greg Owen

Greg Owen

Күн бұрын

It's no secret that Disney has been trying to increase its female audience for historically male appealing franchises, LucasFilm and Marvel. Do they need to target women? And are their methods working?
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@TheTrueRandomGamer
@TheTrueRandomGamer 11 ай бұрын
They need to chase good writing.
@theanimeunderworld8338
@theanimeunderworld8338 11 ай бұрын
Now's my chance!
@msmaria5039
@msmaria5039 11 ай бұрын
Yes.
@gregowen2022
@gregowen2022 11 ай бұрын
I hate to see folks lose jobs, but right now might be their best chance to at least stop chasing poor writing, which is still a net positive
@Doomwolf82002
@Doomwolf82002 11 ай бұрын
They cost way more than the bad ones who are willing to work for peanuts.
@msmaria5039
@msmaria5039 11 ай бұрын
@@Doomwolf82002 Or use AI writers.
@GLJosh
@GLJosh 11 ай бұрын
When Disney bought Marvel and Lucasfilm, I thought that they had almost all of childhood wrapped up. Disney Princesses targeted to "girls" and superhero targeted to "boys". Instead, Disney tried to hit all the targets and missed most of them.
@noturbusiness9736
@noturbusiness9736 11 ай бұрын
Stormtrooper aim
@elkingoh4543
@elkingoh4543 11 ай бұрын
​@@noturbusiness9736Virgin Star Wars Stormtroopers vs Chad German Stormtroopers
@613harbinger316
@613harbinger316 11 ай бұрын
Like those silly missiles in anime that twist around flying everwhere and end up hitting everything _but_ the one thing that needed to be 'sploded.
@jaritime1406
@jaritime1406 11 ай бұрын
Its why Ahsoka has to fail
@name-vi6fs
@name-vi6fs 11 ай бұрын
I've yet to see them target boys. They just took their boy shows and added them to the girl pile.
@justinbuddy56
@justinbuddy56 11 ай бұрын
So when I chase women it’s a problem, but when Disney…
@gregowen2022
@gregowen2022 11 ай бұрын
Hahaha, you just don’t have the right setting. Try getting a boat, then there’s the implication….
@infamouseli92
@infamouseli92 11 ай бұрын
“It’s ok when they do but it a problem when I do it fuck em “ Finesse 2Tymes
@FathDaniel
@FathDaniel 11 ай бұрын
I don't think they are chasing female audience. I think they are targeting ESG scores, and as everyone knows, the moment measure becomes a goal it ceases to be a good measure.
@knightheaven8992
@knightheaven8992 11 ай бұрын
indeed
@gregowen2022
@gregowen2022 11 ай бұрын
Very true. I want to believe that 2022 and 23’s losses will change their thinking, but my more rational side knows that just won’t happen. Guess we’ll just have to catalog their demise here in videos and laugh together
@theinvisibleskulk4563
@theinvisibleskulk4563 11 ай бұрын
I don't think it's about ESG scores; I think it's, one, to keep Occupy Wall Street dead and, two, because rentier capitalism is a hedonistic system.
@bobross1829
@bobross1829 11 ай бұрын
@@gregowen2022 I do see it happening with Amazon and Netflix, but Disney is all about politics so they will have to be dragged kicking and screaming to reality. They want to change people, not give them what they want. They want to change what we want, which is just insane and a recipe for failure.
@nyetzdyec3391
@nyetzdyec3391 11 ай бұрын
@@gregowen2022 A tip to improve ALL of your videos... VOLUME!!!!! Get that 5h!t under CONTROL. When you talk softly/calmly, you make people turn up the volume to be able to hear you... THEN you YELL... and blow out their eardrums. Some people are listening with headphones.
@theanimeunderworld8338
@theanimeunderworld8338 11 ай бұрын
If they did the female leads more like Katara, Suki, Azula and Toph from Avatar, being more expressive, complex, stronger through training, funny, THEN they can have better chances
@theanimeunderworld8338
@theanimeunderworld8338 11 ай бұрын
@@ILoveMonorails96 because avatars also apply to video game characters too
@DahomeyMino
@DahomeyMino 11 ай бұрын
Because James Cameron had been holding the copyright to the Avatar name decades before he even began filming.
@mpnuorva
@mpnuorva 11 ай бұрын
Cut to Star Wars fans bitching about Ahsoka.
@jonathanwilliams9359
@jonathanwilliams9359 7 ай бұрын
My dogs are named Katara and Azula. #randomfactsyoudontcareabout
@mkbanks73a
@mkbanks73a 11 ай бұрын
The Princess Bride was an excellent example of a rom-com that still works today.
@dbsthumper
@dbsthumper 11 ай бұрын
as you wish...
@hcu4359
@hcu4359 11 ай бұрын
That's not a rom-com by any metric I ever heard of. It's a highly meta, tongue in cheek fairy tale with some swashbuckler elements. (Check out the 1941 Corsican Brothers for the original of the "mostly dead" subplot.) It has a good and highly idealistic romance track (not much played for comedy, compared to the rest of the film) because that kind of romance comes standard with both fairy tales and swashbucklers.
@anikabeauty547
@anikabeauty547 11 ай бұрын
I think this is why so many female fans preferred Loki over Thor. The family tragedy and drama made an interesting story and once Marvel threw Loki away like trash a lot of interest died
@gregowen2022
@gregowen2022 11 ай бұрын
Agreed, Loki was a much more complex character, it’s no wonder he was a favorite
@martinportelance138
@martinportelance138 11 ай бұрын
That's actually a very accute observation.
@savioblanc
@savioblanc 3 ай бұрын
Yup. My sister was terrified that Marvel was going to kill Loki in Infinity Wars and refused to watch the movie. I lied and told her he was one of the few that survived. Yeah.... well she enjoyed the movie but she was not happy 😂 Later, she tried watching the Loki series and got even more pissed off that he was pretty much replaced by Lady Loki version in his own show. She's since just refused to watch any more Loki and move on to something else, even though reviews for the second season of Loki were stellar
@toneyniko99
@toneyniko99 11 ай бұрын
Whoa, whoa, whoooa... All I heard is that we need to make 72,000(ish) burner accounts to see Greg do a make-up tutorial...
@gregowen2022
@gregowen2022 11 ай бұрын
Hahaha, for that amount of dedication, I’d basically owe you one!
@smashley4661
@smashley4661 11 ай бұрын
24 year old woman here. I grew up on Avatar the Last Air Bender, Marvel Movies and the cartoons, Transformers shows, DC cartoons, and I a lot of animated Disney movies. A lot of the things I just mentioned are more boy oriented but I loved them.
@zeroth88
@zeroth88 11 ай бұрын
Can't successfully target an audience if they didn't care to pay attention in the first place. Great video!
@gregowen2022
@gregowen2022 11 ай бұрын
Agreed. Just a terrible strategy all the way around
@sailaway30
@sailaway30 11 ай бұрын
Honestly, people need to sever their nostalgia with Disney. Disney is not worth saving just let them die and let other people pick up the franchises that they on who actually care or just leave the franchise is where they are where are the fans will keep them alive down the road or just find something new.
@ryanleatigaga7596
@ryanleatigaga7596 11 ай бұрын
Female audiences have also flocked towards primarily male-dominated franchises in the past few years. I recall Transformers: Prime and the 2012 TMNT cartoon having a pretty solid female fanbase, and those two shows were pretty well-written. Both of those show had great plots and concepts for the boys, and great characters for the girls. It also helps that they're multi-million dollar franchises with buttloads of merchandise. The thing I see that's prevalent is that Disney, being the top dog in entertainment for a century, is just doing the equivalent of throwing darts while blindfolded at a dartboard with random audiences to cater to. Usually, one audience is good enough. There's an audience for K-dramas, there's an audience for black comedians, and there's an audience for superheroes. The fact that they're trying to appeal to ALL those demographics and just end up with nothing is strange to see.
@gregowen2022
@gregowen2022 11 ай бұрын
Sort of reminds me of the ping pong ball in the bottles game you see at fairs. You toss a ball randomly and even though there are many bottles, the ball bounces around and lands in none of them
@nataliedepriest9113
@nataliedepriest9113 11 ай бұрын
Female Gregular here, and longtime movie and tv fanatic. Putting a woman in a lead role does not make me automatically want to see the film or show. Putting a woman in a lead role of an action or superhero flick is definitely not going to make me want to see it. Women like people, men like things. Which is why the male audience flocks to westerns, action, etc… Females like people, characters, relationships. The romantic comedy and drama genre has been completely ignored by Disney in their Marvel/Lucas film phase. And that is why they don’t have a female audience. I would much rather see a smokin hot, sexy macho man lead character in a good story with a hero journey or romance than a five foot tall, 100 pound female with cgi muscles defeating all the toxic male villains. Yawn. Fantastic video as always, Greg. But Seriously, get out of my head!
@no.1spidey-fan182
@no.1spidey-fan182 11 ай бұрын
Theres also a difference in how boys and girls play with toys. Lego did a study like a decade ago and went ahead and created Lego Friends after what they discovered. Boys BECOME the characters so essentially Batman...is BATMAN. He moves lile BATMAN Girls on the other hand make the characters into THEMselves which is why you see Batman having a tea party when the sister takes her brothers action figures😂🤷‍♂️
@kuroeltheog
@kuroeltheog 11 ай бұрын
@@no.1spidey-fan182As a gregular (heh, love that moniker!) myself, it’s safe to assume that my brain is more masculinely aligned (as the vast majority of his audience is male, and KZfaq itself is a more male-dominant platform - so female gregulars are a nieche within a nieche). Anywho. I’ve always had a huge distaste for self-insert fanfiction. It peeves me to no end that this phenomenon has bled into mainstream entertainment (She-Hulk and Geriatric Jones being just two of the most glaring examples). But as the writers have been women, and if the Lego study holds any water, it all makes sense now. 🤯
@gregowen2022
@gregowen2022 11 ай бұрын
I can’t leave! Then I wouldn’t know which videos you want next! For real though, people act like it’s so insulting to say what you said “women like people men like things”. It’s the freaking truth and I don’t understand how it’s a bad thing. Rather than try to change people’s very nature, why not just work with them as they are? It would certainly be more profitable
@gregowen2022
@gregowen2022 11 ай бұрын
Spidey, I’ve seen that study mentioned before, but you reminded me it’s worth me doing a video because it needs to be repeated often. Lego had the right idea: work with the customers you have, not the fantasy customers you wish you had.
@brigandboy1425
@brigandboy1425 11 ай бұрын
Men like things, yes, but westerns are about character and story, told simply. Action movies that are good are about the same things. There is action, but it serves a purpose. It isn't just brainlessly thrown in there. Good examples are Extraction 2, The Terminal List, or the Empire Strikes back (though I think Return of the Jedi's dual is by far my favorite fight scene). Bad examples are literally all of Nick Cage's "Renfield," or most of Jamie Foxx's "Day Shift" movie. Stupid motivations, dumb characters (who are supposed to somehow be badasses), and fight scenes that involve cameos and satire and gore instead of good motivations and real stakes. Meaning in all cases, the reason Disney is failing is bad writing and, as Greg mentioned, they are targeting genitalia instead of people.
@Theorphan81
@Theorphan81 11 ай бұрын
"My Adventures with Superman" is exactly the cooperation and teamwork between the Super powered male and the plucky, brave, non powered female lead. In almost every major fight Lois helps Superman while not over shadowing him. She serves as a distraction, or gets the macguffin while Superman is the distraction and other such things. It really is an awesome show where Superman gets to be Superman and Lois gets to be Lois, both are competent, neither "dunk" on the other, and they're both clearly in love with each other. It's a show my wife and I love to watch together.
@AscendantStoic
@AscendantStoic 11 ай бұрын
Manga already does that correctly by targeting each demographic specifically by the things that appeals to them most, Shonen manga aimed at young boys focuses on themes of friendship and hero's journey mixed with flashy combat and over the top dynamic action, Shoujo manga aimed at young girls focuses on fantasy, romances and drama with a small bit of action here or there to ramp up the tension, Seinen manga aimed at older males focuses on more mature content and much darker edgier stories involving all kinds of gore, violence, nudity, ... etc etc, Josei manga focuses more on more adult relationships compared to Shoujo, marriage and relationships, steamy love stories and gossip, etc. So basically they are covering all their bases and not leaving anybody behind, and there are no barriers whatsoever for a male boy to read a Shoujo manga or a female writer to write a Shonen manga (Full Metal Alchemist, one of the best Shonen manga of all time is written and illustrated by a woman), and the common thing between all these demographic focused manga is that the reader always comes first, and their vote is what keeps the story going in many cases (as in literal vote, not just voting with their wallet, manga includes user surveys that you fill and send back, and manga companies take it very seriously since various manga comes out routinely collected in a single big book like Shonen Jump, generally speaking they are the exact opposite of western comics and Hollywood who antagonize and hate their long time customers and fans). The problem here with Hollywood and western comics as well is that they aren't really chasing demographics at all, they are pretending to, they are just narcissists who are writing these movies and comics for themselves, which is the main reason quality suffers a lot, not to mention they appeal to a very narrow niche (themselves) abandoning and insulting their fans in the process, so while I don't mind at all if Disney makes female focused movies (older Disney movies already fulfilled that) but that's not actually what they are doing now.
@613harbinger316
@613harbinger316 11 ай бұрын
And you know you have an artist with genuine skill at story telling when their next project is completely different, but still excellent. The artist for Full Metal Alchemist also did Silver Spoon, which is about freakin' farming, farm-life, farm-drama and high-school drama. Watched the anime, loved it, and am now reading the manga, and loving it. When the focus is on quality, you get quality across the demographic board. When the focus isn't on quality, you get modern Western comics.
@AscendantStoic
@AscendantStoic 11 ай бұрын
@@613harbinger316 Exactly 👍
@cultreader9751
@cultreader9751 9 ай бұрын
Is nobody gonna tell him how many Seinen writers were influenced by Shoujo and Josei?
@vanheath5382
@vanheath5382 11 ай бұрын
Meet or beat expectations, don’t subvert them. Tell good stories with likable characters. Don’t try to expand an audience, just focus on story.
@sterling7
@sterling7 11 ай бұрын
"Subverting expectations" gets a bad rap- understandably, given how clumsily it has been done in many recent examples. It's okay to surprise your audience, if the element you're removing is replaced with something that's at least equally compelling, and that makes sense within the story. Subverting for subversion's sake, and leaving little or nothing where an element was expected, leaves the entertainment equivalent of a deflated souffle.
@cuthulux
@cuthulux 11 ай бұрын
​@sterling7 It's the old adage: "Bad writing is giving your audience what they don't want. Good writing is giving the audience what they want. Great writing is giving the audience what they didn't realize they wanted" The problem is too many people are doing bad writing while attempting great writing. No one is trying for good writing.
@deadhouse3889
@deadhouse3889 11 ай бұрын
I find it amusing that Disney felt the need to go out of their way to court the male audience at all. They already had us. Every boy fell in love with a Disney princess at one point. It's like Sailor Moon, we all secretly watched and we all know Mercury is best girl.
@BiggieTrismegistus
@BiggieTrismegistus 11 ай бұрын
True. I'm a guy who was born in 1981. My friends and I were exposed to the Disney princess movies because of our little sisters and we enjoyed them. They're just good films regardless of who is "supposed" to like them
@kathyp1563
@kathyp1563 11 ай бұрын
True. I was a young adult during "The Disney Renaissance". I saw almost every one in theater with a group of co-ed friends. The men loved them, too.
@LastBastian
@LastBastian 11 ай бұрын
Umm... No.
@admthrawnuru
@admthrawnuru 11 ай бұрын
I never had a crush on a Disney princess, but they sure had me with the more guy movies like Lion King, Aladin, and Mulan. It's not like Disney had no make audience.
@Thandi123
@Thandi123 11 ай бұрын
Wonder what would happen if Disney managed to get all the rights needed to adapt Dungeon Keeper Ami...
@greentiger332
@greentiger332 11 ай бұрын
You can actually see this trend in the Magic Mike Series. They all had hot sexy guys stripping and dancing, but the first had a decent story involving more meaningful character interactions. The first movie was also the most successful of the bunch.
@jeremygigstad4529
@jeremygigstad4529 11 ай бұрын
I vote we get Greg at every Q&A with a press pass and a microphone to shake things up.
@gregowen2022
@gregowen2022 11 ай бұрын
I’ll need immunity for swearing, because there will be a lot
@bcanton
@bcanton 11 ай бұрын
I’m a Filipino woman in her 50s. If Disney made a movie about someone like me as a superhero, I wouldn’t watch it. I don’t need representation- I just need a story told well. You do not need to shove in POCs and women to make me watch a good story, but if you hand me crap like She-Hulk and expect me to be grateful for it, I’m pulling the plug like I did in the first episode because it was terrible and cringe. If Disney wants advice, here it is: no more IPs, tell original stories that follow the Hero’s Journey (the lead character can be a man or woman but it has to make sense for the story). Get some boomers in the writing room who have actually delivered beloved movies and TV shows who can mentor these millennial writers, who don’t know wtf they’re doing so that the art of good writing isn’t lost. Then follow up with media training for their filmmakers and actors so that they can be pro whatever their agendas are but not anti- anything. These actors need to learn how to be truly inclusive of ALL of their audience, in case they actually make a good story, so that the audience isn’t given a reason to write off the movie before they see it. And if they can't be inclusive, then just learn to STFU so we don't hate them to the point that we root for their failure and revenge boycott their movies. Look at that Rachel Zegler girl: a few dumb comments and even without the ugly takes on feminism everyone hates her because she's that girl you went to school with who says what she wants people to think, but she says it in a hateful way but she acts nice so you can't really attack her for anything so instead you just avoid her. She's one of the popular girls but IRL she doesn't really have friends she can count on, because the kids in her group know she'll throw them under the bus as soon as it's popular to do so. Someone get this girl into media training, stat!
@StephenGillie
@StephenGillie 11 ай бұрын
A diversity of opinion and experience, not just a diversity of surface attributes. And inclusive of their current customers. Great points all around.
@rasalasblack
@rasalasblack 11 ай бұрын
Filipina here, too. And, I have the same sentiments. 🍻
@kevingregory-evans6285
@kevingregory-evans6285 11 ай бұрын
I agree, a superhero movie about someone like me would be a comedy. Who wants to see that!
@jaritime1406
@jaritime1406 11 ай бұрын
What Disney and the WOKE miss people watch American movies for the WESTERN movie not South American Europe Aisa or Africa Nollywood, Euro nations have there own, Bollywood & South Korea/Japan do every well making movies for "there people" and as a Brt id be a lil shocked if Squid Game II was full of white guys wouldnt be what im looking for im looking to see if The lad can bring them down.. Sadly the woke are bad people who only see skin deep and need themselfs in everything .. I hope none own a mirror ;')
@matthewcarroll2533
@matthewcarroll2533 11 ай бұрын
100% agree, well stated! Cheers. :)
@ttrev007
@ttrev007 11 ай бұрын
do you know what else women like? Men. it was painful to watch all the neutered and pathetic men they put on screen. watching them assassinate beloved male character in some disgusting attempt to hand over all the power to the women was painful to watch.
@gregowen2022
@gregowen2022 11 ай бұрын
Right? Even most women aren’t interested in that. What’s empowering about watching someone get beaten down for you?
@ttrev007
@ttrev007 11 ай бұрын
@@gregowen2022 I think the comment and you are right on the nose that good team work is far more appealing.
@Maria_Bar
@Maria_Bar 11 ай бұрын
Exactly! Stories for women does not equal female leads. Sometimes it's the exact opposite.
@nyetzdyec3391
@nyetzdyec3391 11 ай бұрын
Anyone who likes a specific character is not going to enjoy seeing that character be humiliated. There are exceptions to this (Three Stooges), but the exceptions are so rare and in such specific circumstances, that this ought to be an almost cardinal rule.
@StephenGillie
@StephenGillie 11 ай бұрын
My sister told me she wasn't an Avengers fan until she heard that Chris Hemsworth was cast as Thor.
@eddiebanks3583
@eddiebanks3583 11 ай бұрын
The irony is they say if you don’t mindlessly consume it’s because you’re a bigot/racist/etc HOWEVER for decades you’ve had characters like black Panther, ms marvel, etc. and the comics sold no problem! But despite Disney claiming to be open minded it took 10 and 11 years to get a black superhero or a female superhero in their movies.
@willdegra317
@willdegra317 11 ай бұрын
remember when DC came out with Wonder Woman while Marvel fans were begging for a Black Widow movie for years by that time? That's when Marvel decided to do "HERo" marketing and have a "girls get it done" scene in End Game. They waited until Black Widow was dead.
@gregowen2022
@gregowen2022 11 ай бұрын
Indeed. They are so amazingly open-minded, yet can’t make original representation of any culture, just race swaps.
@kamichan127
@kamichan127 11 ай бұрын
As a constant female viewer of yours , I watch you because of your opinion and how it aligns with mine usually or you talk about something of interest to me! It has nothing to do with gender , that being said .... My mom likes to remind me that I look like a frilly teenage girl but my media taste is 12 year old boy 😂 ( star wars , marvel, Tmnt , anime, gaming )
@dragonsman4733
@dragonsman4733 11 ай бұрын
I think if they continue doing Disney princess films then yeah, but they should keep things like marvel and star wars boy targeted, as they were intended to be that way when made
@theanimeunderworld8338
@theanimeunderworld8338 11 ай бұрын
More princess films but from other cultures. Disney wants more rep? Well try, let me check my list... JAPAN, RUSSIA, FINLAND, SWEDEN, OR AFRICA, the last one especially since it's not just one country but NUMEROUS tribes and nations with various folklore Hell, they can just look back at Greece to see Atalanta hidden behind the IP power of Perseus, Theseus and Heracles. Atalanta was abandoned by her kingly father for being a girl, gets raised by bears then hunters, becomes a badass, has a male friend who respects her life choices and takes down a monstrous boar when among a large group of male hunters.
@dragonsman4733
@dragonsman4733 11 ай бұрын
@@theanimeunderworld8338 agreed! They still need to make an English Disney princess, which I'm surprised they haven't since the English royal family used to be very popular. There is lots of room for material there, at least if they were going for a good story, not really rep. otherwise an Ejyption princess would be pretty cool. It would also be a chance for Disney to go as dark as dreamworks, since if they use Ejyption mythology as an inspiration, a lot of it has to do with the afterlife. Also, they would be able to add a lot of cat designs.
@gregowen2022
@gregowen2022 11 ай бұрын
Agree with you both. This world has more stories than we could ever possibly get on screen, but they somehow think it’s clever to tell a previous story, but girl this time.
@theanimeunderworld8338
@theanimeunderworld8338 11 ай бұрын
@@gregowen2022 they're trying to copy Fate badly
@Resvrgam
@Resvrgam 11 ай бұрын
Content for men is generally open for everyone. The majority of male-centric media also has a decent portion of female audiences. Content for women is for women only. The majority of women-centric media is unwatchable to most male audiences. It’s like fitness centers/gyms: There are plenty of LA Fitness and Planet Fitness gyms out there and men predominantly comprise their memberships. Meanwhile, there are female-only gyms like Curves and Women’s World. Disney has DESTROYED its bases. They had cornered the market for little girls with their Princesses, Tinker Belle, & live action girl shows. Star Wars, Marvel, & Indiana Jones had HUGE male audiences and fandoms. They even had “Family” audiences by providing “safe” child-oriented content that parents could feel fine with using to babysit their kids. Now? All the Princess stuff is full of masculine female characters so a lot of girls that liked to be girls are turned off. All the feminized Star Wars/Marvel/Indiana Jones stuff has completely turned off male audiences with any level of self-respect. Finally, the “family” content has been flooded with gross sexuality and rainbow crap so those audiences are gone too. Good job, Disney. 👍
@willdegra317
@willdegra317 11 ай бұрын
yep. male spaces are always infiltrated by women. Women's spaces are left alone since we can have some peace. (obviously not talking about the weirdos using loopholes to get into women's locker rooms -- by request of women BTW)
@613harbinger316
@613harbinger316 11 ай бұрын
Oh god. Once a female friend of mine asked me to go to a Curves to get her an application because she couldn't get to it that day. The stares I got when I walked in there were genuinely frightening. (And, no, I wasn't looking for a loophole, lol. I sincerely had no idea at the time that it was a women-only gym - though now that I think about it, I wonder if she did and thought it would be funny.)
@s3studios597
@s3studios597 11 ай бұрын
It's true. Just look at anime/manga demographics. Shounen (teen boys - young adults) is by the most popular with numerous iconic franchises loved by millions. And of course, most of that is battle shounen and battle shounen adjacent stuff like Dr. Stone, Death Note, etc. Next is Seinen (adult men), which while less popular than shounen, is still very popular and widely discussed with a handful of iconic franchise and plenty of very popular series. Third is shojo (girls) which is very rarely discussed outside of the a small handful of iconic/notable series (Sailor Moon, Madoka, Precure, Fruits Basket). Even then, a good chunk of those are battle focused magical girl series, which are essentially the shojo equivalent to battle shounen. Lastly, there's Josei (adult women), which I have literally never seen anyone talk about outside of two instances this year of people specifically talking about demographics.
@aw3someinc175
@aw3someinc175 11 ай бұрын
I got to be honest, that period piece “Fast and Furious “ sounded interesting. I could see giving that a watch. Really all of those action romcom mashups…
@msmaria5039
@msmaria5039 11 ай бұрын
Someone make that. Give Greg credit.
@gregowen2022
@gregowen2022 11 ай бұрын
Hahaha, “Sprightly and Steaming: Mansfield Drift”
@kuroeltheog
@kuroeltheog 11 ай бұрын
K-drama has been doing this with amazing success for decades. I myself just recently began watching “Behind Your Touch” on Netflix. The story is about a veterinarian with psychic powers and how she teams up with a demoted cop in chase of a serial killer in a smallish rural town. It’s a happy blend of sci-fi, action, thriller, romance and comedy. And heck, it works really well. Even my romance-hating kid is completely hooked.
@kuroeltheog
@kuroeltheog 11 ай бұрын
Concerning existing IP: Disney can expand their audience by hiring nerdy writers who respectfully know the lore inside and out and pair them with experienced directors or showrunners who have a vetted grasp on what works logistically, commercially, etc. If you ONLY hire nerds, you will probably end up with something that isn’t very accessible to general audiences (too much meta). If you ONLY hire industry veterans who’d rather be doing their own arthouse magnum opuses, it can lead to a sterile/unfunny slog where the lore elements feel tacked-on, disingenuous and, often times, missing entirely on the points that made the originals work. Concerning original works: Take risks. Every project won’t be the next Toy Story, Star Wars, The Little Mermaid (89) or Iron Man, but when you allow talented people (not diversity hires) creative freedom and resources, there’s a greater chance of magic happening. Either way, for the love of deities, keep boards, sponsors, lobbyists, activists, HR, lawyers and investors out of the creative process! P.S. As a female viewer, I want good character dynamics. Romantic relationships are my copium, but it can be whatever well-developed relationship. Story is always second to character. As in, a bad plot can be saved by awesome characters, but not the other way around.
@gregowen2022
@gregowen2022 11 ай бұрын
You’re absolutely right. Trouble is that they despise the nerds. Famously, they hate Henry Cavill, who reportedly got into numerous fights with Witcher writers because he knew and loved the source material. I’m furious about the upcoming Wheel of Time. So furious, I’m going to watch it and hurt my own feelings, lol. That showrunner is exactly the kind of person you’re describing, wanting to do his own art house magnum opus.
@DVX_BELLORVM
@DVX_BELLORVM 11 ай бұрын
I'm convinced that most people like labours of love and can sense when a project is the result of a creative vision rather than a corporate checklist. I can 'get into' something that I normally don't have an interest in if the creators made it with passion and dedication.
@djretro83
@djretro83 11 ай бұрын
People have been saying what you said for a long time now and, so far, Disney hasn't listened. It's still all about (say this in a loud, ominous, reverberated tone) "THE MESSAGE".
@gregowen2022
@gregowen2022 11 ай бұрын
BELIEVE THAT!
@BillThomasGuitars
@BillThomasGuitars 11 ай бұрын
You are correct. The big question is: why hasn't Disney come to the same conclusion? They have billions, multiple studies, etc but they can't get the information that a simple KZfaqr can? I think they know this information but choose, for whatever reason, not to act upon it. So the big question would be, why don't they?
@bobross1829
@bobross1829 11 ай бұрын
That is simple, because they are all about politics. There is no other explanation. They are trying to change people, not give them what they want.
@nyetzdyec3391
@nyetzdyec3391 11 ай бұрын
Part of the problem is money. Movies and shows have gotten EXPENSIVE. That means getting the largest possible audience in EVERY movie... which is NOT the same thing as making different movies for different audiences. It's not even greed, not necessarily, although I'm not saying greed isn't a part of it, either. Part of it is the modern narrative, that men and women are the same. We are not... but they don't want to admit that.
@BenHeckHacks
@BenHeckHacks 11 ай бұрын
Of all the YT channels bashing Disney, you're one of the few pointing out the core problem. Buying boy brands to diversify, then making them female centric. When Mattel wanted to replicate Barbie sales but with boys they didn't hand Barbie a machine gun they created GI Joe.
@1Gr8Editrix
@1Gr8Editrix 11 ай бұрын
Interestingly, many of the historically high-grossing films had female leads (e.g. GONE WITH THE WIND, SOUND OF MUSIC, even STAR WARS). However, they were unquestionably (& quietly) feminine, with strong leading men to complement them (e.g. Rhett Butler). Ditto for famous novels like JANE EYRE, PRIDE AND PREJUDICE, WUTHERING HEIGHTS. Hard to imagine Elizabeth Bennett without Mr. Darcy, or Catherine without Heathcliff. The current filmmakers (or the suits) just don't seem to "get it." Or they refuse to "get it." They seem obsessed with pseudo-male characters and agenda-filled scripts.
@tabithachen2912
@tabithachen2912 11 ай бұрын
Don't get me wrong, I like a good looking male lead as much as the next girl, but if he's JUST eye candy, I will click away before my popcorn is done popping. Also after that targeting a specific audience is dumb which you started very nicely. But I will say one thing I'd like to see as a woman, is more female characters accomplishing this through... Traditionally female things. For example, I have been burned multiple times by stories that boasted a female protagonist who was a seamstress and had to use her skills in a competition that had grand stakes or something. Only for the protag to end up going on an Odyssey like quest to acquire her materials, or it turning into more about crafting clothes with magic, than ACTUAL sewing. I mean come on, show me her bargaining to get the fabric she needs or having to make do with scraps. Show me her laboring over embroidery, and each stitch has to be right because she's worked secret messages into the designs or something. I say this as a seamstress. But I feel like this like painting, drawing, baking, what have you are just gimmicks to give characters. Finally, can confirm if you started doing makeup videos, I would pass on them
@gregowen2022
@gregowen2022 11 ай бұрын
That would be so nice to see. Hollywood is terrified to show feminine traits as good because, I don’t know, they think they are somehow lesser? I honestly don’t get it. They constantly show masculine stuff in a strong light, even if it’s women doing it, but downplay feminine things. In their effort to make women look strong, they are sending the message that femininity is weak, it’s so backward.
@NefariousKoel
@NefariousKoel 11 ай бұрын
@@gregowen2022 - It's not just Hollywood. The whole social zeitgeist has been focused, for years now, on implanting the idea that feminine qualities are bad and that women should be more like jerk men. Ironically under the guise of "feminism". They HAVE been trying to create the audience they want by programming easily influenced people to believe that. It has apparently worked to some small extent, but not nearly enough to keep that train rolling at the moment. Of course, that's why so much of it is targeted at programming kids and young adults.
@nyetzdyec3391
@nyetzdyec3391 11 ай бұрын
@@gregowen2022 One wonders what kind of message, if any, they INTENDED to send with WandaVision. Something along the lines of wanting a family is bad...
@MichaelCravith
@MichaelCravith 11 ай бұрын
I'm here for two reasons. You tend to go deeper into your perspectives than most other content creators, and you seem genuinely appreciative of the audience you have and the audience you're building. I respect both of those things.
@gregowen2022
@gregowen2022 11 ай бұрын
I genuinely do appreciate that. That’s why I like YT so much. I don’t feel a good opinion can be expressed in 240 characters or whatever. Tonight I’m going to be running some ideas past everyone about how to do the community part better, I’m excited!
@ethanmesser201
@ethanmesser201 11 ай бұрын
Deconstructing someone to one characteristic, such as race, gender, orientation IS insulting; ppl R SO much more complex than that. "Work w/ themes, rather than blunt messages." GOD YES! Greg also hit on this aspect that is a HUGE Issue for me; which is the 'nerfing' & or 'dumbing down' of the male characters, seemingly only to make the female characters look SO much better. You should not need to put someone down in order for you to stand tall and represent!
@gregowen2022
@gregowen2022 11 ай бұрын
The funny thing is that it isn’t working in regards to making women look strong, and why would it? Do I look strong when I can do something better than a child? Women on screen look stronger when paired with strong men because the audience has perspective to see strengths of both. The pettiness of Hollywood wanting to belittle men is ironically undercutting the message they want to send.
@ethanmesser201
@ethanmesser201 11 ай бұрын
Thanks 4 the response Greg; I feel so excited that the guy who MADE the video responded to me!! (I do not do much messaging on scoial media, etc., so its SUPER exciting to me! LOVE your videos and ur personality as you make them ! Keep up the good work! PS I also really like ur huor and laugh out loud to many of ur 'jokes'. @@gregowen2022
@googleislame
@googleislame 11 ай бұрын
The simplest explanation is that they are taking the male audience for granted on Star Wars and Marvel. I participated in a pre-release screening of the first Guardians of the Galaxy movie back in April 2014. When they were picking people for the focus group afterwards, they deliberately excluded me when I told them that I have been reading the comic books ever since Annihilation: Conquest. They did not care about my opinion of the movie because they knew that people like me would not only watch it day one, but we would also be the ones evangelizing it to all of our friends and family. I am known as they guy who follows Star Wars and Marvel, so my friends ask me if all of the new stuff is worth watching. And lately I have been saying no. I have been telling everyone that Secret Invasion is the worst thing they have ever put out - worse than even She-Hulk.
@BiggieTrismegistus
@BiggieTrismegistus 11 ай бұрын
The DnA cosmic stories were so good.
@nyetzdyec3391
@nyetzdyec3391 11 ай бұрын
The audience that they HAVE... is NOT the audience that they WANT.
@ugib8377
@ugib8377 11 ай бұрын
Same shit we're seeing in AAA game studios. They are chasing all the wrong things in all the wrong ways. Instead of focusing on quality and a good product, they are trying to milk money/time out of people. Where if they just put out a quality product, the money would flow and people would put in the hours willingly.
@gregowen2022
@gregowen2022 11 ай бұрын
As soon as it drops on PS5, I’m going to be waist deep in Baldur’s Gate, and I’ll be making some videos about what Hollywood could learn from that game. Sounds like it’s a love letter to the audience
@ugib8377
@ugib8377 11 ай бұрын
@@gregowen2022 considering everything I've seen on it, it is. And it's a one time purchase. If my laptop could handle it I would pick it up in a heartbeat. Used to love D&D when I was younger.
@rebeccatea12
@rebeccatea12 11 ай бұрын
Female moviegoer here. I used to be a HUGE Marvel movie fan. I knew the Marvel movie schedule for the next two years and purchased my tickets a month in advance for every opening weekend. I bought every movie and watched and obsessed with my husband and son over every character detail. They began to lose me slightly with some of Phase 3, and I completely tuned out partway through Phase 4. They killed, destroyed, or made a joke of almost every character I loved (Capt. America, Iron Man, Black Widow, Thor, Loki, Nick Fury, Vision, Scarlet Witch) and became massively tiresome with their agenda pushing. Modern movies have lost me on all fronts! I love traditional Disney Princess flicks, and I adore Jane Austin. I'm also a fan of great, geeky, action flicks and a huge fan of women kicking butt...Black Widow in Phase 1 and 2, the original Sarah Connor in Terminator 2, Zoe and River in Serenity, to name a few. But these characters were fantastic! The story, dialogue, and character development were all there, and they were partners with excellent male characters who could hold their own (Zoe and River without Mal and Jayne, no!) The new female power characters with their pitiful male "leads" just don't cut it. Even Jane Austin is getting a woke-ified face lift. The last few years have left me with little to watch except old favorites.
@DawidUliczny-ro7eo
@DawidUliczny-ro7eo 11 ай бұрын
As my partner said it once: "We all like to watch superhero hunks because men want to be them and women want to be with them".
@free_at_last8141
@free_at_last8141 11 ай бұрын
Read Hugo and Nebula award winning books from before around 1990. The female characters are more comfortable in their sexuality and interactions with society. More recent female characters are less fleshed-out, almost less human. I think that it's becoming progressively more taboo to explore honestly the societal consequences of a fundamental worldview of conflict between men and women instead of cooperation.
@gregowen2022
@gregowen2022 11 ай бұрын
They say there is a male loneliness epidemic. Perhaps it’s due to a few decades of telling them they are part of an evil patriarchy that is literally killing women around the globe?
@nyetzdyec3391
@nyetzdyec3391 11 ай бұрын
The Hugos and Nebulas got infected by woke, too... which is the reason you need to limit to earlier winners.
@nyetzdyec3391
@nyetzdyec3391 11 ай бұрын
@@gregowen2022 Not to mention 50 years of being told that we're worthless... and treated like it, too, all too often. IMO, hookup culture is a natural result of that. What guy wants to be Homer Simpson?
@613harbinger316
@613harbinger316 11 ай бұрын
@@nyetzdyec3391 All the drama surrounding the Sad Puppies thing is a great illustration of how mixed up the awards and wokeness, etc. had all become. [As an aside: the subtle and not-so-subtle bias of the wikipedia article about sad puppies is another example of it.]
@nyetzdyec3391
@nyetzdyec3391 11 ай бұрын
@@613harbinger316 I somehow missed all the sad puppies stuff... until quite recently. I had to look it up... someone had mentioned it... and that led me to the Wikipedia article. Just the name "sad puppies" sounds derisive... like stereotypical man-shaming. But, maybe I've seen so much of that crap in modern media that now I see it even when it wasn't intentional.
@MickeyMullin
@MickeyMullin 11 ай бұрын
Excellent! You keep churning out great videos; I'm both envious and inspired! I'd add two (possible) corollaries to what you shared for attracting female audiences, and that's: 1) Have female leads or co-leads who are simply *well-written*, and (more importantly) 2) Adding a stronger character-driven elements to existing tropes. "No Country for Old Men" or "American Beauty" are examples of incredible character-driven stories within predominantly masculine plots. Neither of these are "pandering," and both have the benefit of also elevating the quality for their core audiences.
@gregowen2022
@gregowen2022 11 ай бұрын
I completely agree. I think something they are missing is having strong women AND strong men. By beating the men down, the women don’t look strong in comparison just like I don’t look fast when I beat a toddler in a foot race. When strong women and men are put next to each other, it gives perspective that makes both look strong
@RhiannonSenpai
@RhiannonSenpai 11 ай бұрын
9:26 It's 10% not 30% of women that voted for "more leading ladies, but not Mary Sues".
@Elessar1888
@Elessar1888 11 ай бұрын
My husband and I used to go way out of our way to see the Phase 1&2 Marvel movies. We were actually in Australia when the 1st Thor movie came out, and we gave up sightseeing time to get to that theater. As soon as they started rolling out these toxic, manly, Mary Sue’s…we’ve legit lost ALL interest. They’ve ruined all the male characters left or replaced them with women. I can’t even remember the last Marvel movie I had any hope for, let alone was excited was coming, because they’re all the same: women all powerful, can do NO wrong; men all stupid, can do NO right.
@willdegra317
@willdegra317 11 ай бұрын
I worked as a data analyst for a company whose influence can be seen on everything from KZfaq to Amazon today. Anyway, the philosophy was explicitly anti-demographics. We didn't care what was between your legs or the amount of melanin in your skin. We focused on your behavior. What ads resonate with you, what did you purchase, what encourages you to spend more? The only time we broke things out by demographics was to keep the attention of the marketing team of our clients, we used nice bright colors and pretty pie charts. Everything else was about the data that actually contributed to the goal.
@jackhhun2698
@jackhhun2698 11 ай бұрын
so basically the joke that marketing teams ruin companies from dilbert is true
@jaydeeao
@jaydeeao 11 ай бұрын
A Rom-Com with Action.....Sooooooo, Mr and Mrs Smith?! Haha
@gregowen2022
@gregowen2022 11 ай бұрын
I actually forgot about that one! If I recall, the actors themselves were the pinnacle of sexy at the time, I think that had something to do with it. Still a fun movie, though
@jaydeeao
@jaydeeao 11 ай бұрын
@@gregowen2022 Yeah that movie was like a perfect storm.
@Heretowatchstuff
@Heretowatchstuff 8 ай бұрын
They were setting box office records every time a movie came out. Why would they need to expand their audience?
@erubin100
@erubin100 11 ай бұрын
The reality is they're never gonna convert generic women to marvel or star wars fans, because no matter how much "girl stuff" they try to put in, those women still won't be fans of the genres. Like you said, the women who do see these films were probably already fans of the genres to begin with, so it's better to focus on quality. "You catch more flies with honey," as they say.
@nathangonsalves-williams7541
@nathangonsalves-williams7541 7 ай бұрын
I think Disney are well aware of what girls and boys like. Hence the decision to purchase Marvel Studios and Lucas Film. However, what they are worried about is inclusion. Marvel is very popular and right now the danger to what is popular is cancel culture. They want to make sure that everyone is included in the popular Marvel conversation and when things are remade to re-energise a franchise and Disneys bank account they need to make sure they are including everyone from different genders and race. They are severely overthinking it and failing.
@positiveproductions6699
@positiveproductions6699 11 ай бұрын
The point you made about them not buying a studio that already had a majority female audience like that makes sense to me I don't know why they didn't just try that first before doing what they're doing now to me that would make more sense to do that
@1ChristFollowingNerd
@1ChristFollowingNerd 11 ай бұрын
Be honest. What you described is a lot of hard work and I think that’s the point. You have writers, directors & showrunners treating projects & IPs as opportunities for fan fiction. So what they care about or passionate about is what gets emphasis most often at the expense of storytelling, character development or world building. I think some creators (not all) don’t have the capability of doing the kind of work you’re talking about or more importantly lack the desire to better their writing. You’ve heard show runners from projects like the Witcher, Rings of Power, Marvel on Disney plus, etc. and directors & cast talk about their projects so let’s be honest. Too many have devoted themselves wholeheartedly and I mean devoted (as in they can’t help themselves) to virtue signaling, self inserts & heavy handed messaging to ever get better at their craft. They are telling the exact stories they want to tell. Hard truth is studios must hire better. Only way Hollywood redeems itself is to become a meritocracy again & hire people capable & committed to attracting consumers. Sorry for that rant has been in my head you unfortunately unlocked it lol.
@gregowen2022
@gregowen2022 11 ай бұрын
I’m here for that rant. The upcoming Wheel of Time season 2 is going to send me into a fury. That show is pure fan fiction, relying completely on name recognition, and it makes me sick. They want the views, but they simultaneously hate the audience that made those properties great so they sneer in tweets while proclaiming who is going to be gay suddenly or act in a way that is completely anathema to the character.
@Dark_Kommissar
@Dark_Kommissar 11 ай бұрын
Expanding the franchise makes sense; however, it seems like they’re doing it at the expense of the male audience. It’s like taking something from someone just to give it to someone else…who doesn’t really want it as much as the person that you took it from in the first place.
@stevewarnalis7801
@stevewarnalis7801 11 ай бұрын
Greg, you are the best at intelligently breaking down problems and finding solutions! Disney should hire you.
@hcu4359
@hcu4359 11 ай бұрын
BTW, the carriage drag racing romance storyline exists. It's a historical novel called Regency Buck, by Georgette Heyer.
@mchammer5592
@mchammer5592 11 ай бұрын
You don’t court demos because you’re in the building/survival phase. Once you’ve got executives who’ve never had to create like their life depends on it, working at an established multibillion dollar studio, they can try all sorts of stupid things that they will never be completely on the hook for if fails and everything is so cushioned they’ll often never KNOW when it fails. And if for some crazy reason the studio goes under, they’ll be working at another studio the next year. Competition baby, film/tv industry needs way more of it.
@nihilismistheonlyway4680
@nihilismistheonlyway4680 11 ай бұрын
Kudos to Greg for doing more actual research than Disney about their audience! And the editing is hilarious! Keep it up 😂
@thelosingteam1098
@thelosingteam1098 11 ай бұрын
I've seen 6 of the last 10 Marvel movies, and sadly, I could sleep through the others and still know how they ended. Besides that, I only watched the first 3 shows because the rest were basically saying I'm the villain and a bad person, but the people doing bad things are just "misunderstood."
@Elessar1888
@Elessar1888 11 ай бұрын
Also, I found your channel because of the Despot of Antrim lol his takes on the current climate are GOLD, and he recommended your videos ❤
@cejannuzi
@cejannuzi 11 ай бұрын
Well comics have largely appealed to boys and men, except for Archie comics. The major issue with all these superhero films is about how much do we want our lavish fantasies grounded in reality?
@noturbusiness9736
@noturbusiness9736 11 ай бұрын
When it’s all laid out like that, it’s bewildering that Disney basically had everything they needed to secure phenomenal success for decades but due to either greed or activism (pride) they are failing spectacularly. They are alienating the audiences they did have, not attracting an audience large enough to account for those they lose, and tarnishing their brands to the point that the original audiences don’t trust them enough to return. All I want is good stories with interesting characters, that shouldn’t be too much to ask for. Thankfully there’s plenty of such material at my local bookstore/library.
@SumStupidPunk
@SumStupidPunk 11 ай бұрын
I remember when Brokeback Mountain came out. My country dad and all his country friends got decked out in cowboy gear for a big group date night with the wives. They were told it was a cowboy movie, first to come out in a while and all the wives wanted to see it with "their cowboys". I opted not to warn them. 😂
@narwhalwriter
@narwhalwriter 11 ай бұрын
Great video that really hits the nail on the head. I've read and watched a ton of stories throughout my life, and I've connected with a wide variety of characters because I was drawn in by their personalities, goals, and actions. It's unfortunate that Disney and other large companies have lost sight of what makes characters memorable.
@grandmamma
@grandmamma 11 ай бұрын
I watch you because you're smart, funny, and articulate. I hate box ticking, pandering, and virtue signalling. I'm old enough to remember real art, and I almost despair for what tries to pass for entertainment these days.
@mycroft3322
@mycroft3322 11 ай бұрын
I think I ran across a video of yours a while ago, but this popped up in my recommended section and it was really well thought out. Also had me cackling a few times.
@AkiRa22084
@AkiRa22084 11 ай бұрын
It's gonna be hard to up the quality of your work, it's practically perfect.
@BM2759
@BM2759 11 ай бұрын
Bro I love your honesty and integrity. No surprise my wife loves story and characters even if the plot os sh*thouse
@darkdudironaji
@darkdudironaji 11 ай бұрын
I'm so pissed that you get so few views. Literally one of the best commentary channels on KZfaq.
@darkroninmarvel
@darkroninmarvel 11 ай бұрын
heck, an example Toei kept the formula of the Kamen Rider franchise, which is boy centric, and it somehow gained a huge female fanbase, particularly from moms
@afreestate8466
@afreestate8466 8 ай бұрын
"More explosions, less dialog" i can't wait for silent night!
@gloriathomas3245
@gloriathomas3245 11 ай бұрын
goal of any business to grow its consumer base, that includes marketing to the non-traditional consumer.
@KathyH684
@KathyH684 11 ай бұрын
What makes me want to watch movies or TV shows is the characters. I love seeing romances blossom on screen and well written characters work on their flaws. My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic and the classic CGI Barbie movies are some of my favorite stories because they have a variety of likeable and interesting characters. Mariposa, Princess Annalise, and Twilight Sparkle were some of my favorites because they reflected my interests and flaws. Seeing them improve over time made them more real to me. Another character I related to a lot was Leonardo from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2012) He was the oldest, a leader, someone who made mistakes and learned from them. This is what draws me into shows. The most recent movies I liked were ATSV, The Bad Guys, and Puss In Boots: The Last Wish because they were character driven.
@Teverell
@Teverell 8 ай бұрын
I am a woman... I am a fan of the classic Star Wars. You know why? Because the characters were believable - they were human (well... displayed very human characteristics, even if they were droids, Wookiees, Mon Calamari or something else entirely). They tried, failed, learned and grew... they were aspirational. The EU introduced more characters and more places... The characters all had believable goals and arcs and stories. They didn't always succeed first time, or even second time. They had depressive moments, moments of pure fear or anger or exhilaration. Then came The Force Awakens. Great - a new Star Wars film. They introduced Rey, Finn and Poe. Rey took on a bad guy at his own game, that he's been practising for years and years, while she's just barely learned the rules. And she wins, no effort. Poe, an X-wing pilot, gets belittled and talked down to by the worst excuse foy a military officer in this galaxy or the GFFA, who can't hold a simple briefing (something shown in every single one of the original trilogy, BTW). Finn, a black stormtrooper who switches sides, is basically only there for the posters and is completely sidelined. And Disney never put the original gang back together onscreen - and now nobody can unless they employ AI or something, which would be an absolute mockery. I walked out of the cinema and I will never pay another penny to Disney for any of their Star Wars stuff because it sucks. There's no heart to it, no emotion. Women have to put men down just to be able to climb over their prostrate bodies to be as good as them - something Leia Organa never needed to do, not once. I wanted to be Leia, or at least, to emulate her courage, her tenacity, her sheer grit and determination. I don't want to be Rey, I don't want my niece to grow up thinking Rey or Admiral Holdo or anyone else, is worth emulating, in any way shape or fashion. PS. Women don't have magical powers just because they have boobs.
@enkiduthewildman
@enkiduthewildman 11 ай бұрын
Don't think about it. Don't ask questions. Just consume *product* and then get excited for next *product*
@cestmoi5687
@cestmoi5687 11 ай бұрын
Woman here. Most of the channels I watch have most male audiences. If those channels suddenly decide to pivot to women, chances are they would no longer appeal to me, and I would stop watching. Cater to the audience that enjoys the genre. No one is out there pushing to make Hallmark movies more male friendly. These studios also don't seem to know what women like. Chicks generally enjoy hot guys on screen and a love story. But they make these female-targeted movies loveless.
@lefid
@lefid 11 ай бұрын
It seems we as a culture have forgotten that good stories resonate with us because they contain human struggle. It is the struggle with which we identify, not the character. That’s why we want him/her to succeed. That’s why LOTR and Harry Potter have such huge fanbases-Tolkien understood that all people struggle against temptation. Rowling understood that all preteen/teens face the balancing act of wanting to fit in and belong while also finding their own unique place in the world.
@earlwimberley2396
@earlwimberley2396 11 ай бұрын
Morgan Stanley and the Rise of the SHEconomy was put out back in 2019. The projection was that single women were gaining grounds on wage disparity and more willing to spend money. They became the 'go to' target. The big companies also noticed that most college educated people were women. Thus the women were less likely to get married, would make more money, and be more likely to spend that money. So this is not just Disney thing.
@AlejandroRamirez-rx1py
@AlejandroRamirez-rx1py 11 ай бұрын
That's a bold strategy Cotton, let's see how this plays out....
@Luciphell
@Luciphell 11 ай бұрын
7:00 "The Saint" with Val Kilmer. Perfect action/romance blend.
@minhja4924
@minhja4924 11 ай бұрын
Totally agree! I always try to make quality videos. You’ve got to respect the audience. That is why movies are made to find an audience and make money. Same story with musicians saying oh the audience just don’t get how good it is! So why make it ? Gotta know your audience is what they want and care about that aspect. 😂😂😂
@g-unit7625
@g-unit7625 11 ай бұрын
The pursuit of good writing over content should be the #1 priority. Most scripts are written by committee these days and those don’t necessarily go through rewrites and subsequent drafts. Take the time to write good characters and a good story.
@METAL-ADDICT
@METAL-ADDICT 11 ай бұрын
Gary deserves 100k already lol awesome content everytime. 🤣👍
@mxvega1097
@mxvega1097 11 ай бұрын
The single greatest contribution Disney could make to expanding the audience for MCU and LFL: sell them.
@misseli1
@misseli1 11 ай бұрын
You hit the nail on the head!
@AKATenn
@AKATenn 11 ай бұрын
their entire mindset is what's wrong... that there needs to be a quota is wrong... the idea that diversity has anything to do with race, gender, or sexuality is wrong... it has to do with geography and lived experience, ideas, character, theme. as a metaphor, people aren't like crayons, and movies aren't like coloring books where you have to use every crayon in the box... you only need the colors that make sense for the current picture you're drawing.
@rileyclark9096
@rileyclark9096 11 ай бұрын
Just subbed man. I enjoy the content.
@davemiller4089
@davemiller4089 11 ай бұрын
11:52 There is a reason why timeless stories are timeless - they fill a hole and provide satisfaction. Lucas learned this when he read Campbell's writings about "The Hero's Journey." Both men and women resonate with such concepts psychologically. As a Christ-follower, I believe this speaks to a "God-shaped hole," and successful stories address this deep need. When we deviate from these truths, we end up with a very unsatisfying story that leaves the entire audience confused, dissatisfied, and unfulfilled. A good story doesn't need to be "Biblical" but it does need to follow precepts of how we are made. Otherwise we end up with junk!
@kevynhansyn2902
@kevynhansyn2902 11 ай бұрын
You bliney bastard!!! I had to stop watching your video at the "Archer" bit at 7:30, totally random and i spit put my Monster! Nice job you blimey bastard!
@DreamsOfLegend
@DreamsOfLegend 11 ай бұрын
I think you pretty much nailed it bro 💥
@bungalowlogic7676
@bungalowlogic7676 11 ай бұрын
I know a good handfull of actresses who side-gig as Disney princesses for kid parties and local events. Its always Elsa, Cinderella, Belle, aka dresses. I ask them if they ever do Rey, Captain Marvel, Mulan, or any Marvel/Star Wars... They look at me like, uh no.
@gregowen2022
@gregowen2022 11 ай бұрын
As a parent, this doesn't surprise me in the least. Hollywood wants girls to be boys, but I know little girls, they don't want that crap. They want a dress that poofs out when they spin, and a long braid that flops when they turn their head, lol
@tuffn00gies
@tuffn00gies 11 ай бұрын
Is Disney ready to admit their current strategy isn't working? They seem to keep doubling down.
@noahjester8471
@noahjester8471 11 ай бұрын
If you haven't seen it, Mr. Right is an excellent example of taking a Romcom and an action movie, and making an action romcom.
@DdHenley307
@DdHenley307 11 ай бұрын
I watched videos based on the font they use in the thumb nails. My recommendations from KZfaq are all over the place
@AKUJU
@AKUJU 8 ай бұрын
It’s really annoying, my analogy is that you want to feed as much people as possible. However, you don’t have much ingredients to make a tasty meal so you find a way to stretch your ingredients as much as possible. This in the end has “unexpected” result of making the meals tasteless or bland. You feed this enough times to people and people will notice and stop eating your meals.
@stackels97
@stackels97 11 ай бұрын
I used to be a Disney nut, I used to go to the cinema weekly. Now I have nothing. No great Disney films to see, no great rom coms, thrillers, sci fi, dramas or family films. Just......nothing good at all and it sucks. I miss the movies, I miss respect for the cinematic experience, I miss the Disney that had respect for the better parts of its past and legacy, I miss what used to be my favourite things.
@jljl5449
@jljl5449 11 ай бұрын
Mr. & Mrs. Smith (one of my favorite movies) was a good balance of romcom/action
@mkbanks73a
@mkbanks73a 11 ай бұрын
In my opinion the Marvel and Star Wars franchises can rebound if they go back to and stay with the source material of which there is a ton of. It makes no sense to not use it and attempt to remake the wheel.
@gregowen2022
@gregowen2022 11 ай бұрын
Agreed. Quit with the Skywalkers. There is an ENTIRE expanded universe
@BiggieTrismegistus
@BiggieTrismegistus 11 ай бұрын
I cannot believe the MCU has pretty much stopped adapting stories from the comics. And on top of that they're pushing characters that have never been popular in the first place. Although I actually think it would kind of funny if they made a movie based on America Chavez's *atrocious* first solo series. It would be like an MCU version of _The Room_
@thryce3
@thryce3 6 ай бұрын
What Disney really wants is to create a new audience and get rid of the undesirable audience that might actually pay to see their movie
@jimsteinmanfan80
@jimsteinmanfan80 11 ай бұрын
You could have had a much cheaper Ant man 3 with lots more talking. They come back to a place where Janet had spent a significant time and learn that she during that time had had some kind of relations with Kang and Krylar. There seem to be a lot to unpack there. The younger couple at the same time finds out that their daughter's been jailed and Scott finds out that she's been exploring quantum science. It's seems they could have talked for at least a good hour.
@TheJimSkipper
@TheJimSkipper 11 ай бұрын
You hit an important point, which still baffles me. Disney bought Marvel and Lucasfilm to bring in more guys and it worked. Then it seems like one day they woke and thought, “Wait, we’re Disney. We make movies for little girls.” and unraveled everything.
@sailaway30
@sailaway30 11 ай бұрын
Another great video is usual now I’m just waiting for that anime video waiting patiently
@gregowen2022
@gregowen2022 11 ай бұрын
The good news there is that I’m taking a sabbatical the first week of September, I think, where I’ll be working on videos but not posting, and watching lots of TV and movies, including some anime finally
@sailaway30
@sailaway30 11 ай бұрын
Ok cool and I definitely gotta say you make some excellent content and you provide a great Argument to be had and overall you’re just enjoyable to watch and thanks for the update
@madaxe606
@madaxe606 11 ай бұрын
Would love to have this explained to Wizards of the Coast. Judging by those D&D books on the shelf, you might know exactly what I’m talking about. They’ve driven away a lot of the old guard in favor of the theatre kids demographic. Even though I see about 20:1 of the former be the latter at every convention, brick & mortar store and event I’ve ever attended.
@simplegarak
@simplegarak 11 ай бұрын
You bringing up mashing genres together made me think of "Mr & Mrs Smith" - which I think was intended to try and be a 50/50 guy/girl flick. Discuss.
@gregowen2022
@gregowen2022 11 ай бұрын
That was a solid movie and I think actually worked! Looks like it made a bunch. However, I have to chalk some of that up to casting. That was back when they made movies with the best looking people they could find and, shockingly, people tend to like that. Also, freaking Vince Vaughn, an absolute gem
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