I never did like Fallout's karma system. "Oh, you stole this one random thing, nobody saw it, everyone hates you for it now."

Hey guys, the phrase you're mishearing is "I'll show you negative karma." Austin is a serious mumbler. Sorry for the confusion.

I just wanted to know what karma did in new vegas

Although it made for really unsatisfying story telling, this is why I think Skyrim's civil war was a stroke of genius. Both sides had completely legitimate complaints, and both had completely deal-breaking moral corruption at their heart. Imperials offered unity, stability, the only real chance to survive the Aldmer, as well as all the benefits of a settled civilisation, BUT were powerless to stop the Thalmor repressing and disappearing people; and were an empire created by conquest of local cultures. The Stormcloaks offered freedom, independence and resistance to the clear injustices of the Thalmor, a chance to feel pride in self and country, and a continuation of culture and sovereignty, BUT they were led by a genocidal maniac willing to massacre anyone who opposed him, whether they were armed or not, and had an intrinsically racist philosophy with unrealistic aspirations to go against the Aldmer alone after fracturing the only real hope to defeat them. So yeah, both pretty shitty choices really. Stability and rule of law without the justice, or independence and freedom so long as you had the right skin colour and waved the right flags. Much like a real civil war.

I'm ultimate good, give me your money.

EVIL Every Villain Is Lemons

This actually reminds me of the first time I cleared the federal ration stockpile in fallout 4. I went through and killed all the raiders inside, eventually coming across the named raider red tourette. She had notes about her sister being kidnapped and was showing a lot of concern and frustration about the entire situation. A few in game weeks later when I was sent back to the same spot to rescue a kidnapped settler from sanctuary. My mind concocted the sad story of red's lover having been away only to have returned and find everyone including their lover, who was grieving over her potentially dead sister, brutally killed and looted. In the weeks that followed they gathered together new raiders, learned that it was my character that attacked and then kidnapped a settler from sanctuary in hopes of luring me back to avenge their fallen lover only to meet the same fate.

I am still waiting for a game that let's you trow everything out the window. Like for example in Skyrim I would have wanted to join Alduin and sort of become his "Rider of Death" or something.

Keeping a baby with his family in fallout 3 the Pitt, was this evil?

Every villain is lemons.

I just wanted to know how the karma system worked in fallout :(

this started to sound like a vsause video

If pure evil does not exist: Then explain Donald Trump...

Am I the only the one who thinks karma is a good mechanic but also a bad one, it made everything feel more realistic. But when you murder someone for no reason in the middle of nowhere everybody knows about it is stupid

Thank you, for your trouble and the effort you had to put into this. The way you explain things not only gives the right amount of actual information, but allows me to understand the topic on a deeper level. So again, Thank you for doing these videos, and thank you for making them fun and knowledgeable. I can waste hours learning about what i love from someone who seems to think in a similar way as I do.

Holy cow. Philosophy never fails to amaze me. You just earned yourself a sub.

Oh im evil alright, yesterday i stole a pen from my local post office.

I don't need an angry Vault Boy telling me if my actions were "bad" or "good", I think it was good Bethesda got rid of this system. Even in Fallout 1 and 2 it was unnecessary and made no sense.

Please keep doing videos like this. They're so thoughtful and well done and brilliant in every way.

This video just cemented my respect for you as a person. I have had a massive intellectual respect for you since I started watching your videos admittedly just a few days ago, starting with the fusion core debunk. This stretching of moral concepts and discussing logic and reason behind actions, It's refreshing to know thank people still think about this stuff in place of just googling it. I would love to sit down sometime and have a beer with you, you beautiful person you.

Seriously, this is one of the best reflections on Evil that I've ever seen in YoutTube so far. Thank you for these 16 minutes of learning.

I think your example of terrorism is actually pretty easy to label as 'evil'. In the two attacks mentioned, the action did nothing to further the goal of those involved, and their goals are ones that, by Western standards, are indeed evil. While one can argue whether a totalitarian theocratic dictatorship that openly declares women to be worth half of what a man is, allows slavery, executes homosexuals and has a "kill or convert" policy for all non-Muslims (and even Muslims who don't conform to their particular sect). While it is always important to remember they are human, if there is such a thing as evil they most certainly are just that.

A surprisingly deep and meaningful conversation about topics that don't get enough coverage. Thanks for this.

Great episodes. I kept thinking "contractors on the death star" when you were describing companies like the umbrella corporation.

But in my point of view the Jedi are evil

This week we had a serious discussion about morality, evil, 9/11, and videos games. Next week we balance a cat on our head while juggling geese. Stay tuned! Follow us on Facebook | Facebook.com/ShoddyCast Follow us on Twitter | twitter.com/ShoddyCast Follow Austin | twitter.com/arhourigan Support the show | www.patreon.com/ShoddyCast

I just wanna say that I love your vids and the thoughts you raise and topics you brush over. It's great stuff and I hope you keep doing it.

Such an amazing video, gave me an entirely new perspective thanks!!

"The winner writes history" What is good and evil is determined by the authority

This got more Vsauce-y then I was expecting.

This video was very insightful. great stuff man! every video leaves me with much to think about. Thank you

Great video! I really like picking apart the motivations of characters in video games.

Evil is a matter of perspective.

This should be a Ted Talk

Christ this is THE best video on youtube. Iv had this same rationale bouncing around in my head for too long but i just couldn't bring it to completion but you just did. Also it was a excellent arguement for why we play games that seem adult. Im linking this one to fb and calling all those people that think i waste my time on games to watch it. Outstanding work

I like how in depth you went into about how we view what is "evil". Not the video I expected from the title but I still really enjoyed the profound open mindedness and non ignorance.

To your credit, you demonstrated the failure of moral relativism very well.

-_________________________- Be me wanting to learn karma mechanics >clicks video >first 8 min talks about different effects of organizations > nine minute mark talks about 9/11 >mfw when I just wanted to learn about game mechanics

This.... Is good content... Exestencial crisis aside, this is a very good video about a very important topic, I never expected this channel to dive into something like this, but I'm glad you did

I don't really agree with your answers, but i absolutely love that you ask these questions

You know it’s gonna be good when he says the n word within the first 20seconds

Didnt know this was a philosophy channel now...

God I love this series so mucht, keep em comming shoddy! Binged it in one sitting :D Great analysis

This is probably your best video. Certainly the best one I've seen.

3 of the planes found their targets, you forgot the pentagon was hit

"Ha" is "the" in Hebrew, and "satan" is "satan" in Hebrew... There is no "-" after "ha" but (not like in English) it's the first part in the word: not "ha-satan" but "hasatan"/not ״ה-סטן״ but ״הסטן״. And if you didn't got it, in Hebrew the word "satan" spoken the same way and its spoken as "hasatas" just when saying "the satan".

I love how you science everything or and it's really original. Keep doing what you're doing.👌

I came into this video expecting one thing but wow, you just became my favorite youtuber in a single video

It's just as you said. "Evil" is merely a label to give a face to which few wish to think in depth about, such as religion. Good, evil... They only exist in the mind of the beholder. Perspective, the tether that binds every idea and defines it. I say this so often how even if humans do horrible things, they must have a reason. Would you or someone you know do such things without a proper reason? What WOULD drive you do act in such a way? Are we truly as innocent as we would like to believe if there are those who hate us so? It's easy to think so simply when you're not directly involved in such matters. For example a man had his family taken hostage and was ordered to murder another person to get them back. He killed this person with witnesses. Can they rightfully consider this man "evil"? If things were so black and white, then soldiers, police, and acts of self defense in general could be considered evil indeed. At the end of the day, what truly defines our actions and who we are is perspective.

Our Father Who AWPs in heaven CS be thy game, Uncase begun, them skins be won, Convert- and not a Mil-Spec. Give us this day a StatTrak knife And forgive us when we rage quit As we forgive those who aimbot against us And lead us not into scamnation Undeliver us a Battle Scarred Gaben.

you are the literal manifestation of Milo Thatch from the Disney Atlantis movie and series. Incredibly well read and with a voice to match! Awesome videos!

I know it's not a new video but mad props on the Original Diablo soundtrack in the background on the end of the video.

*non sarcastic slow clap*very good sir, very good! Yet another enlightened mind, ah progress.

Evil is evil. Lesser, greater , middling, makes no difference. The degree is arbitrary, the definitions blurred. If I am to choose between one evil over another, I'd rather no choose at all...

You make learning fun - keep up the great work!!

This is quite possibly the most deep and philosophical video I've seen on KZfaq (although I do tend to watch comedy so...) and, while I often consider philosophies, evil isn't something which you think about that much as it is a concept which is drilled into you. Actions are considered moral or immoral based on our understanding, beliefs and teachings which our predecessors or higher power(s) have taught us are fact. Good and evil are unnatural concepts which are heavily debated but we rely on them to keep our society running, things that we have no right to define but that only we can.

You know, you can debate the morality of the Institute, Wall Street brokers, and the like...but when you look at people who are willing to set off explosives in areas populated by innocent people, or gun down men and women who haven't done anything worthy of death, there are few better words to describe that than 'evil'. Because when you knowingly and willingly pull the trigger on an unarmed, law-abiding civilian, I honestly don't give a shit what your motivations are at that point. There *are* things in the world that are unquestionably evil, and when you derive personal gain or pleasure or gratification, political or ideological, from the endangerment or harm of people who have done nothing to harm anyone and pose no threat to you, you've crossed that line. I'm fine with analyzing a morality system in games, but don't try to pretend that crashing a plane into a building filled with civilians just because they don't worship your god or subscribe to your beliefs or ideals is anything but *evil*.

Good and Evil are both subjective. Strangely this adds another layer of confusion to your video, and i am sorry about that. Good and Evil are subjective because our morality, ethics, and laws are different between each person. You and your parents have SIMILAR moral/ethical codes but even they are different. My brother and i even have different moral/ethical codes, he says violence is NEVER the answer and i see it as the last resort and a sign of a failure in solving the problem. these are close but different. Now imagine how people in china have a different moral/ethical code and you begin to understand why such things are subjective to the person.

This has to be the best video from ShoddyCast that I've ever seen.

awesome sauce on the 1up box, and the video is really thought provoking. Much like Fallout as a whole it makes you rethink aspects of the world.

Karma = Consequence

Handsome Jack is the Hero of the story!

Thanks for the interesting video, Shoddycast.

This dude is probably the most insightful and smartest youtube gamer, love your show

This is an incredibly interesting and accurate view on human empathy in the form of a video based on a game. Wow. This is impressive.

Do NOT bring back the karma system

This went deeper then just a fallout video. I love you.

Just this episode should be a whole series. It's really important.

This was an *excellent* video, +ShoddyCast You've got yourself a new, loyal subscriber and serious fan! Thank you for making this wonderful series of videos! :D On the subject of "evil"... My parents raised me to be a critical thinker, they taught me scientific skepticism, logic and reason early in my childhood. I continue to recognize and embrace the benefits of critical thought in my life and I'm grateful for having received this type of education at such an early age. Analytical and objective cognition have contributed to my formulation of a working hypothesis that evil is nothing but a product of the human mind, rather than a physical, energetic, or psychospiritual-immaterial force of nature. I hypothesize that there are no evil people alive today, nor have there ever been, nor will there ever be, assuming reality remains mostly the same and follows the same physical laws in the future. I have maintained this hypothesis, about the probable non-existence of evil, since I was about ten years old and was able to move somewhat past purely concrete thinking. Over my lifetime I have repeatedly tried to challenge my hypothesis, test it, analyze it under the lens of new evidence to the contrary, but I have yet to discover any tangible evidence supporting the idea that evil is real, in any way. There have been many times in my life when I've certainly felt, in the heat of the moment, that something "evil" had affected me or someone else, however, after spending time contemplating these events, situations, experiences, actions, and behaviors that seemed evil, I always come to understand the etiology of what transpired to be unremarkable, natural and the product of many smaller explainable interactions. Time after time, negative experience after negative experience, after I analyze a situation or someone's behavior, I always find a logical rationale. These rationales are based on my observations of seemingly-evil events always being a result of a complex system of individual events that easily and logically explain the situation under analysis which are supported by verifiable physical, psychological, emotional, developmental, biological, social, historical, medical, and other scientific phenomena. I believe, until I find evidence to the contrary, that "evil" people are not inherently negative or bad, but rather that they are complex systems of systems, each person is the product of millions of minute physical, psychological, emotional, cognitive, genetic, developmental, behavioral, neurological, anatomical, physiological events, experiences, and interactions between themselves, other humans and animals, and their environment. I also believe that if one deeply analyzes the history of any person or event considered by some to be "evil", that a logical explanation of their actions can be uncovered and that person's humanity and psychological and emotional plasticity can be revealed, inspiring empathy and understanding for that person, no matter how "evil" their actions seem. We are all products of our environments, genetics, social interactions, and physical history of events and memories. Life, in its incomprehensible complexity and dynamism, can shape the malleable psyche and personality of human beings into limitless variations over the course of a lifetime.

All I hear is Vlogbrothers when this guy talks.

Interesting video. Thanks for making it.

I'm writing a paper on evil for a literary studies seminar class and I found this video quite useful!

Behind every 'evil' act there is a person who believes they are working for the good.

ROLL CREDITS!

i really like this video I love these videos that you make because it really makes you think of the topic

A very good video! Keep up the good work!

evil is the opposite of good. if you know something is not good and do it any way that is evil.

All this moral relativism in the comment section is straight cancer.

this was a great talk. i feel it was a bit short...so i subscribed

I like how compared to Shoddy's other videos, I genuinely thought this would be a dissection of Fallout's karma system. Instead, I got the philosophy of evil as we know it. I'm all for watching both, and I lived the video. But the title was a little msleading.

i am going to say something racist... something racist.

Why stop at colonialism? We could take a look back at when the Crusades happened, or before that when the caliphate expanded westward and conquered parts of Europe, doing exactly the same things colonials did to the local populations only more... medieval. Europe and the Middle East have literally been at war for over a thousand years. There is so much blood in the soil of both regions that the periods of peace between them should probably be considered the exception rather than the rule. We're both responsible for our own and each others suffering. Humans are fucking disgusting. :D

The institute theme is absolutely perfect for this video's topic.

I enjoy all your videos awesome are there ghosts in any games you've played? Can you talk about the lore of eternal darkness

Everything on life has a *black and white side*, good and evil side because everything you do in life, every choice you make, has a black and white side consequences. I mean how would you call *killing, rape, terrorist*, and *discrimination*?

4 planes and 3 hit there targets one in each tower one hit the pentagon one was grounded in a field

Great job with this one

This has been my favorite rethinking in a while

"Christian mythology" un subbed, you can have your disagreements with religion without offending them.

This is exactly why I am angry and frustrated with the world. "Calling something evil, instead of understanding the reasoning behind it.", I find it just baffling and irritating. For example when I try to say that the 9/11 attacks were America's own fault.", People think then I am defending the terrorists. Which I am actually NOT DOING, was it wrong for the Terrorist do those actions, fucking YES. it is painful to lose someone close. But should you be surprised that it Happened 'I SAY NO', considering if you look at History (the events before all this) and human behavior? What makes me even angrier, is that the 9/11 attacks were even used as a 'justification' to invade Irak, while something "similar" in history "CAUSED THIS REACTION IN THE FIRST PLACE". Just thinking makes me angry, maybe it is way for me to defend myself of people telling me that I live in a so-called "fantasy world", while in reality, most things we believe to think that are real are just concepts we "invented" and not actual reality, if you look from another angle, like for example "Touch" does not exist on the atomic level because "Atoms can't actually touch each other" so our brain make us think we feel the object. But when I say this people just get angry...sigh how Ironic life really is.

One of the best videos I've ever seen, very deep ideas.

I love that you had original Diablo music fading in and out

I personally don't think Christianity is a myth...

You need to do some more research on Christian "mythology." There are a lot of references to an individual entity, Satan, in the Jewish Torah regardless of the fact that Jewish tradition does not typically give that entity much acknowledgement. It's not something that Christian "mythology" just invented from an abstract Jewish concept. A majority of early Christians were also Jews. They were in a position to know whether Judaism's Satan was merely a concept or a reference to an actual entity. It's not something they just made up, because once again, they had been Jews for most of their lives before they were Christians. You should probably also not use the word "mythology" when talking about Christian theology. Some people might take it the wrong way.

i absolutely love your content! keep up the fantastic work! !!!!!!!!!

Great video!

To me Evil is a choice, a bear is not Evil, but a terrorist is. The bear is just trying to eat and survive, while a terrorist has no excuse for what he/she does, which is indiscriminately kill, enslave, or torture everyone they can because of vague reasons that they have been told justify their atrocities to the point where it's not greed, revenge, envy, or belief that is the reason for why they do things, but instead they do them because they choose not to do something that might actually help someone, anyone.

Dude , this is your best video. Respect.

15:08 that classic tristram music i will never ever forget it. Love diablo 3. I'm sorry i haven't killed enough monsters recently I've been playing Warhammer 40k!