Does It Even Stand a Chance? .22lr Federal Punch vs CCI Velocitor, Ballistic Gel Test!

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Tools&Targets

Tools&Targets

2 жыл бұрын

Another contender steps up to battle the Punch. The Velocitor is a popular choice, but does it have what it takes to take down the penetration champ? Testing with the Ruger 10/22 Charger!
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@YellowHammer26
@YellowHammer26 2 жыл бұрын
The velocitor performed like it was meant to so I don't know why that should bother someone. Hollow points are not supposed to over penetrate, thats what the hollow point is for to expand and control penetration. So your statement is correct about no hollow point out penetrating the punch because if they do they're not a very good hollow point. Like you said it's not gonna happen. 👍👍
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, I wanted to test em for sure so I did the rabbit test with em, since that was a test of those rounds against another good HP and not the solid penetration top dog. I had to deliver what the people wanted here though.😆
@johnpoole8321
@johnpoole8321 2 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with Lance. the wound channel would probably be even nastier if you used a 20" barrel which is on my run of the mill Stevens and got at least the velocity that the box says ( over 1400 fps) making the cci round even more devastating.I understand the people asked for the test but seems odd to me they would want to match 29gr against 40gr to start with.
@deamcn6548
@deamcn6548 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnpoole8321 no doubt. Velocitors are one of my absolute favorites. Out of my 10/22 take down, they are awesome. 40 grain bullet crankin that fast is nasty!
@pewpew9193
@pewpew9193 2 жыл бұрын
Looked like a big win for the Velocitor to me. Great wound channel, almost perfect amount of penetration & some good expansion for a .22LR.
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
For Hunting small game or varmints, I'd say yes. For self defense (not that I would choose .22lr for self defense) not even close in my opinion.
@JohnLloydScharf
@JohnLloydScharf 2 жыл бұрын
@@ToolsandTargets Given my intent to maim and disable, not to kill, I would consider a 3" eight round .22LR revolver; particularly for use inside a store compared to my .357.
@Yurkevich22
@Yurkevich22 2 жыл бұрын
@@JohnLloydScharf I hope you never have to actually say that your intent was to maim and disable. Your intent should be to "stop the threat".
@spowyatt7116
@spowyatt7116 2 жыл бұрын
@@Yurkevich22 agreed
@spowyatt7116
@spowyatt7116 2 жыл бұрын
totally a win for the velocitor if 12 plus inches isnt enough penetration isnt enough for self defense..... and it expanded and had a much bigger wound channel not "slightly" bigger. the punch over penetrates as he says and points out many times. over penetration is not good for self defense or hunting...
@disgustedvet9528
@disgustedvet9528 2 жыл бұрын
" It's like I'm calling their baby ugly or something " , nearly fell off the chair laughing .
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
😂😂
@MrTruckerf
@MrTruckerf 5 ай бұрын
Hahaha!
@luketilley9137
@luketilley9137 4 ай бұрын
Me too. I may have peed a little 😅😂🤣
@ThoughtCriminal867
@ThoughtCriminal867 Ай бұрын
Tools, I know this is an old video now, but from my perspective, that's enough Punch testing. We know it does what it's designed to do. Personally I'm not a fan of max penetration and a skinny wound track. I want to see a fat wound channel and 12+ inches of penetration out of a 16+ inch barrel at 30-50 yards to see what it can do for hunting or defending a property against a horde of zombies at that range. I love your channel and really appreciate all your gel tests of so many cartridges. You do great work!
@joehelvey5794
@joehelvey5794 2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate seeing this test regardless of thoughts on penetration. I think that Velocitor is as good of a self defense round as any other I’ve ever seen. You were right, I was wrong. I so appreciate you for doing this period. Most folks wouldn’t even entertain a test they already know the results of lol. I didn’t expect it to out penetrate, but it sure out wound channeled anyway.
@deucedeuce1572
@deucedeuce1572 2 жыл бұрын
I'm fairly certain it don't do that in the human body though. Tissue is much more forgiving than the gel. Only a few organs will damage like gel or worse (If I'm correct. I believe I am).
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
I definitely wanna test any ammo I haven't tested yet, period.👍
@joehelvey5794
@joehelvey5794 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely brother! This has become my favorites channel, not blowing smoke. Your ammo tests are excellent, how you keep that gel looking that clear is incredible. The ammo hunts are top notch I don’t think anyone comes close to your format. You show us the meat 🥩 and potatoes 🥔 man and that’s what it’s all about. I could care less if it penetrates 9 layers of denim. Thanks again Tools, I look forward to all your videos!
@Valorius
@Valorius 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with you, for 22LR you're just not going to get better all around performance from a Velocitor.
@freedomfirst5420
@freedomfirst5420 2 жыл бұрын
About 25 years ago, a friend of mine had a guy with knife break into his house, my friend had a 10/22 loaded with 10 rounds of Mini-Mag HP's. He shot the intruder in the legs, and he didn't stop, so he put the rest of the rounds in his chest. The guy stopped, fell, and then was pronounced dead at the seen. The toxicology report said that the intruder had methamphetamine and alcohol in his system.
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty crazy what people can take and still keep coming.
@WayStedYou
@WayStedYou 2 жыл бұрын
And lead poisoning
@chicochico5703
@chicochico5703 2 жыл бұрын
@@WayStedYou lmao 🤣
@azazelakira12
@azazelakira12 2 жыл бұрын
That punch keep punching down on the other .22lr like Tyson bitting ears off!
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@anthonyb2334
@anthonyb2334 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate your tests and input on these rounds. Very well explained and demonstrated. Thanks for your channel.
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for checkin it out!😎
@kens.2753
@kens.2753 2 жыл бұрын
Punched Out !!! Your always spot on when calling these Jelly tests. Thumb's Up, Salute and Thanks. Great Info as Usual. :) The Velocitor seems to open nicely and leave a very good wound channel. CCI has always been a solid go to round for small game.
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate you watching as usual. The Velocitor definitely expanded great up close through this Charger.
@jaycurry9795
@jaycurry9795 2 жыл бұрын
Another fun video. I have gotten several boxes of this punch recently. It is a really enjoyable round to shoot. I would love to see Federal make a 22 Magnum version of the punch in the near future as well.
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
I would be all over some magnum Punch!
@MitchC357
@MitchC357 2 жыл бұрын
I ordered a bunch of punch .22 lr from Federal online based on your tests. Thanks for these videos. They are helpful.
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
They are great stuff. Appreciate ya my friend!
@randycecil7375
@randycecil7375 2 жыл бұрын
Federal 22lr punch. Fired from short barrel vs longer barrel 😳 I'm just interested in seeing the difference between the different barrel length. Good video!
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
That's actually a good idea. No other ammo and a few different barrel lengths.
@rob6850
@rob6850 2 жыл бұрын
@@ToolsandTargets yes, please 🙂
@Was-here2
@Was-here2 2 жыл бұрын
Good 💡 idea
@mrmann44
@mrmann44 2 жыл бұрын
Thx man! I was looking forward to this one!
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate you checkin it out!
@normanmallory2055
@normanmallory2055 10 ай бұрын
I fire both of those rounds , both are great rounds ! I also shoot the CCI Stinger and have for a number of years ! Great tests , glad you did those two rounds ! Stinger and Punch , have you done those two together?
@toddw.9845
@toddw.9845 2 жыл бұрын
I've said it before , that the punch is only going to be beat by a 22 magnum ! I am so impressed of the velocity on the punch everything else is 200 fps slower , if the punch is going to be beat you have to have a faster bullet of the same shape and construction and far as I know , they haven't made such a beast yet. Good test as always Tools!
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir. I'm actually pretty excited to test it against some wmr. I think it will actually outpenetrate a couple of them.
@acesihatay8703
@acesihatay8703 2 жыл бұрын
@@ToolsandTargets I want to see that
@wiki1979able
@wiki1979able 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! Very interesting and informative. Good sound and editing too.
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir. Appreciate that!
@postingwhateveriwant
@postingwhateveriwant 2 жыл бұрын
There is a video of Velocitor out penetrating the Punch ammo when fired out of a 2 inch barrel. Velocitor penetrates really well at lower velocities when it doesn't expand. I still trust Punch just a bit more, but both are solid options for snub revolvers.
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
👍
@edbartholomew7085
@edbartholomew7085 2 жыл бұрын
thanks tools love your test keep up the good work
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir!
@aquablaster86
@aquablaster86 2 жыл бұрын
Watching other video's on the punch I've seen them flaten out almost like the guard dog ammo does. The 22lr punch was fired into molding clay which is more firm then the jelly. Since you are running out of bullets to put up against the punch it would be interesting to see it shot into different mediums besides jelly and see what it can do! Just a thought. Thanks as always for the video! 🇺🇲
@aquablaster86
@aquablaster86 2 жыл бұрын
Or try putting barriers in front of the jelly to see how the punch performs. It is advertised as a self defense round, so seeing how it does after going through a barrier and then what it can do in the jelly would be interesting as well.
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
I've been wanting to do some drywall stuff so maybe I'll do the Punch in some of those when I finally get time to do it.😆
@MrDukstr
@MrDukstr 2 жыл бұрын
Great video series. Really enjoy watching them
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir. Appreciate that!
@davidgaines8607
@davidgaines8607 2 жыл бұрын
Man I love these "jelly" tests , especially the Punch series. Thanks.
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate that!
@valkyriect3919
@valkyriect3919 2 жыл бұрын
I think the velocitor performed great,but I agree nothing is going to beat the punch in penetration. And wow two videos in one day. Thank you for the Christmas present 🎁 keep up the good work Tools 🛠🔫💨🍮🎄🎁☃️🍻
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you ma'am. The Velocitor definitely did great.😎
@CustomJeep
@CustomJeep 5 ай бұрын
I'll take a CCI Velocitor over a federal punch any time. Since when do we want our lead punching tiny holes right thru stuff? We want to dump energy into the meat, not cut tiny wound tracks right thru with minimal damage.
@guardianminifarm8005
@guardianminifarm8005 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Happy New year.
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate you brother.😎👊
@keithmccready3158
@keithmccready3158 2 жыл бұрын
Happy the day after Christmas to you! I really enjoy your videos you do a top-notch job for the Second Amendment crowd. They are very educational well-thought-out and you do your best to do that. As for this test, comparing the punch to anything else is like comparing the HSTs to anything else. Keep up the good work sir!
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Really appreciate the comment! The punch is like Mike Tyson in his prime. You know he was about to win again, it was just a question of how long it would take.💥🥊💥
@hawk76richhawkins92
@hawk76richhawkins92 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video Tools .
@miteco1
@miteco1 9 ай бұрын
Should I be thinking of 22 Punch as the M855 of .22lr because it penetrates so well? What application would be best for this ammo? I always have been informed that the most effective ammo for defense is the load that penetrates to a certain degree, expands, and dumps all its energy into the target. If Punch zips all the way through is it as effective in a defense application? It does not appear to create much of a wound channel at all relative to the Velociter.
@timt8029
@timt8029 Жыл бұрын
Haven't tried the punch rounds yet but I understand why some people said what they did. On one inch pine boads the velocitor penitrated 3 out of my revolver which was the most of the rounds I shot today. Very nice test. Will subscribe.
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
Thank you sir. Appreciate that.😎👍
@deucedeuce1572
@deucedeuce1572 2 жыл бұрын
You can easily fill in the hollow point of any hollow point round. HP don't expand from a handgun usually, so they often act like LRN.
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, That expansion will not come into play in the vast majority of any self defense use, mainly because of the firearm most likely to be used.
@vljenewein
@vljenewein Жыл бұрын
I had read in a review of the Federal Punch that it uses a slower burning powder and is more adapted to rifle .22 rather than pistol 22. If that is the case, then a short barrel of 4" might give the heavier CCI Velocitor a different chance up against the Federal Punch.
@jw-sigp2258
@jw-sigp2258 2 жыл бұрын
Velocitor is a great load for when you want a lot of damage for a 22 lr but want more penetration than a stinger. I really like velocitor for big ground hogs inside 50 yards. I’ll be honest I’d like the way that punch penetrates.
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Both of them would definitely do the trick.👍
@obbyjep7597
@obbyjep7597 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if you were to modify some different ones by filling or cutting the end off flat if you could get something to go as far as those punches
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Might have to try some of that.👍
@mkshffr4936
@mkshffr4936 2 жыл бұрын
Paco Kelly used to sell a tool called the Accurizer which swaged the bullet up a bit in diameter and put a shallow cup on the nose. It would be interesting to use that tool on something like mini mags and various other LRN rounds and compare results to the punch.
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting 🤔
@choppermike3329
@choppermike3329 2 жыл бұрын
The punch is a good name for that round. Thanks Tools!
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely a good name.💥🥊💥
@bw2265
@bw2265 2 жыл бұрын
I know I asked, didn't think you were going to do it....thanks for video. Keep up the good work.
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
I had to make it happen since so many wanted to see it. Appreciate ya my friend!
@stevendeatley4878
@stevendeatley4878 2 жыл бұрын
Merry late Christmas,have you ever tried the cci SGB 22 rimfire ammo ?it's a 40 grain flat nose bullet .it shoots great in my ruger mkIII Hunter .I'm gonna get some of that punch 22 ammo when I run across some .not very many places to buy ammo here in Bland ,County .I think that punch would be great on squirrels .I like to squirrel hunt with my 22 pistol and it takes a good bullet to anchor a big fox squirrel ,several times I've had to give a large squirrel a extra shot to knock him out of the tree ,when useing a remington 36 grain hollow point .but that punch looks like a better bullet .thanks for all the tests
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir. I've definitely been on the lookout for some SGB since you mentioned it once before. They would be a good one.
@stevendeatley4878
@stevendeatley4878 2 жыл бұрын
I have always used either cci mini mag hollow point or just the regular remington hollow point gold bullet .but I will get a brick of those federal punch as soon as I can find some of them .I might try rural king in wytheville ,if I'm over that way this weekend .last time I was there they had a lot of Norma 22 ammo for 8.99 a box of 50 ,I diddnt buy any
@davidkies621
@davidkies621 2 жыл бұрын
Merry Christmas buddy to you and your family
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
You too my friend!
@luketilley9137
@luketilley9137 7 ай бұрын
Which one is more accurate? I have a bolt action marlin xt22 with a 22" barrel and quarter size groups at 100yrds and dime size groups at 50yrds with velositors
@luke8222
@luke8222 2 жыл бұрын
I love the punch ammo too. I'm very curious about how it compares to the super high velocity rounds.
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
It's some good stuff.👍
@luke8222
@luke8222 2 жыл бұрын
@@ToolsandTargets Do you have any videos on stuff like the high velocity Norma, CCI copper 22, Aguila?
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
@@luke8222 Yessir, I have videos on all of those versus the Punch. Here's a link using the search term .22lr Punch that has them all in there.👍 kzfaq.infosearch?query=.22lr%20Punch
@randalbigirvirvin1153
@randalbigirvirvin1153 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks brother. I didn't really expect the Velocitor to out do the Punch, but I was curious about it's performance. I'm 100% with you about the Punch, ain't nuttin gonna beat it. I'd love to see the same projectile as the Punch loaded in a 22wmr. Wouldn't that be cool?
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
.22wmr Punch would be nasty!
@williamhuffer6954
@williamhuffer6954 2 жыл бұрын
I am going to keep my eyes open for some of those federal punch ammunition. Would you say they would work for home defense? Great information. Keep up the good work. Thanks
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
For a .22lr defensive load, I think they are the top dog. They're designed with short barreled handgun defense in mind.
@williamhuffer6954
@williamhuffer6954 2 жыл бұрын
10-4 Need to get some for my ruger bearcat. 👍👍👍
@andymoore3389
@andymoore3389 2 жыл бұрын
Like seeing that 22 Charger brother. Got nearly the same set up. Love it. Very accurate.
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
It's a great little gun for sure.👍
@rickyricardo3551
@rickyricardo3551 2 жыл бұрын
I have to say the fast buring powder that is in the punch is for short barrels because it's made for self defense , now the almost every other round that has been tested against the punch is ment for rifle length barrels which the charger does not have so thats alot of wasted potential . It would be nice at some point to see the actual power some of these rounds can utilize from a full length rifle test since no one is going to carry a charger in there pocket we might aswell see how everything would fair in relvent test for things like hunting .
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
I'll definitely do some more rifle tests with the actual hunting rounds. That's why I did the rabbit with these Velocitors against the Stingers. There's no sense testing rounds like this against a purpose built self defense round.👍
@drews4685
@drews4685 2 жыл бұрын
Yes I agree , rounds like the velocitor will still be accelerating up to around 18” .
@bigfreddie4854
@bigfreddie4854 2 жыл бұрын
Good video Tools, Good on you for giving the viewers what they want . Even though you already knew the outcome . Love the Punch!!!!Long live the king . LOL
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir!
@bluesbondsman
@bluesbondsman 2 жыл бұрын
My house is still fighting the danged covid, have not been out of the house except to be tested for about ten days and buddy its tough on this 55 year old fat guy ! Thanks for the entertaining shooting videos to keep us smiling, even the girls watch as they are avid 22LR shooters
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Glad I can provide a little entertainment for y'all. Hope y'all get rid of that stuff soon my friend!
@rsbreeze
@rsbreeze 2 жыл бұрын
Hope you and family is better soon!
@hhhservicesllc3163
@hhhservicesllc3163 2 жыл бұрын
"It's like I'm callin their baby ugly or somethin"... ROFLMAO!!!! Too dadgum funny Brother!!!! But Fact! Another great jelly time test, and Punch is still sittin the Throne. Curious to see if those Eley's even get close to the Punch now... Thanks Brother Tools!
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Out here callin babies ugly all day long!😂😂 Think I'll run the Eley against em next. Prepare the eulogy.😆
@hhhservicesllc3163
@hhhservicesllc3163 2 жыл бұрын
@@ToolsandTargets hahahahah RIGHT!!! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
@tbzl
@tbzl 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all your jelly test! BTW what part of Virginia are you in? I'm va born and raised as well blacksburg VA!
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate you checkin em out my friend. I'm down here in Henry County.👍
@tbzl
@tbzl 2 жыл бұрын
@@ToolsandTargets just subscribed my friend
@mematt8955
@mematt8955 2 ай бұрын
have you tested the aguila interceptor solid point against the punch?
@ExcavationNation
@ExcavationNation 2 жыл бұрын
Tools you promised everything on the table last video right 😂 let's see what happens 🤣
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@terranceriggs578
@terranceriggs578 2 жыл бұрын
I’d never heard of the punch until now thank you
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
It's some good stuff.👍
@upholdthesecond92
@upholdthesecond92 2 жыл бұрын
Those Federal Punch rounds have been really impressive in all your tests. Have you found anything yet to beat them yet?
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Nope, Nothing has beat the penetration of em yet. Gonna have to step it up to wmr.😆
@upholdthesecond92
@upholdthesecond92 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve got to get me one of those hats! Love it dude!
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely kept my head warm. Now this week is back in the 60's. Weather gone wild.
@upholdthesecond92
@upholdthesecond92 2 жыл бұрын
Merry Christmas to you and your family. Hope you ‘all had a great Christmas.
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
You too my friend. Hope the new year starts out great for you!
@robertcainjr.7627
@robertcainjr.7627 2 жыл бұрын
As I’ve said before, in my part of Pa. I can’t seem to get this Punch! Would love to try it as I love the 22lr and have plenty of 22s to shoot them out.
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
I just was able to find it here locally a couple weeks ago.
@josearellano5778
@josearellano5778 2 жыл бұрын
Another awesome ammo comparison video bossman‼️ I got to thinking‼️ that punch has really awesome penetration but with with such a small caliber bullet you're more likely using it for hunting something small or target practice‼️ either way I don't want overpenetration‼️ I do want excellent stopping power which comes in the form of energy dump in the 1st few inches‼️ That velocity ammo seems to have a excellent representation of what I want‼️
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir. I wouldn't hunt with this Punch ammo at all. It's designed specifically for self defense use.👍
@clutchcargo1239
@clutchcargo1239 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, hollow points aren't meant to penetrate too much, but the punch certainly is. I'm thinking out of a long barrel, the Velocitor might open up more, and penetrate less. Even though we knew the punch would penetrate more, it was fun to see the Velocitors ability to expand... So many .22lr hollow points don't expand at all, particularly in a short barrel. I also suspect the Velocitor may penetrate more with a short barrel, because it may not expand at all either. That punch is a bad ass little round, thanks for sharing. I hope you had a merry Christmas. I still wonder what would happen if you ground the tip off of a Velocitor, to eliminate the hollow point portion, along with some bullet weight... Light weight flat bullet with a decent power behind it seems to work well for penetration... Maybe the only way the punch gets some competition, but probably not worth the effort... Have fun!
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
That would be interesting to see. Wonder what weight bullet you'd have once you got rid of the cavity up front.
@clutchcargo1239
@clutchcargo1239 2 жыл бұрын
@@ToolsandTargets I think one way is to remove the bullet once it's shaved down, and weigh it. Another way could be weight a complete round, shave the bullet, and weigh it again to compare the difference. Either way, everything doesn't have to be perfect, but I would make sure the bullet is at least flat. You could take it a step farther, and remove and weigh a unmodified bullet as a control to see how honest the 40gr number is, but we aren't too worried about exact science here, we are just having fun, and maybe learning a thing or two along the way.
@terrywadsworth5645
@terrywadsworth5645 8 ай бұрын
​@@ToolsandTargetsHow about filling the cavity with super glue. This would make a solid 40 grain bullet as the super glue would weigh next to nothing. 🤔
@jbazan11
@jbazan11 6 ай бұрын
I just heard there’s a new round the 22lr uppercut! I haven’t seen it in any stores wonder how this round would be against the punch??
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын
Have some ordered.
@haroldkreye8770
@haroldkreye8770 2 жыл бұрын
My Walther TPH (2 7/8” barrel) and my Beretta Bobcat (2 3/8” barrel) function flawlessly with the Punch ammo. It would seem logical that Federal is using an ultra-fast-burning powder to accelerate the bullet to 1,070 FPS out of a 2” test barrel.
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, they definitely used the magic recipe in these.
@michaelschaffer9165
@michaelschaffer9165 2 жыл бұрын
Please test the CCI SGB. The small game bullet isn't hollowpoint but it has a flat point like the Punch but it's 40 grains.
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
😎👍
@phillipneill7315
@phillipneill7315 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, as usual. 👍 I would love to see the fragmenting Winchester Silvertip shot out of 4" and 16" barrels. PS. Would love to see shots through two pieces of clothing. Could I get some fries with that order? Ha!
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
I've actually done the Silvertips through the TX22 but not through a 16" they did great through the 4". Would you like ketchup for your fries!? 😜 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qsxydpaDpq2tZmw.html
@jamesmikesell5458
@jamesmikesell5458 2 жыл бұрын
That is one hell of a round
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
It really is.👍
@randlerichardson5826
@randlerichardson5826 2 жыл бұрын
Well proofs in the puddin Tools. You’ve tested every Long Rifle round again the Punch I mean what else can you do???? Happy New Year buddy and your family GOD BLESS y’all Amen 🙏
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
It's knocked em down like dominoes.🤷‍♂
@Rick-hx1ne
@Rick-hx1ne 2 жыл бұрын
Drill hole the top tip and Modified the federal punch into hollow point and test it it may works or not give it try ?
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Now that is a good idea. I'm gonna have to try that! Wonder if they would expand.🤔
@Rick-hx1ne
@Rick-hx1ne 2 жыл бұрын
@@ToolsandTargets absolutely give a try I ll come back and watch you again . Thanks 👍
@robertvick258
@robertvick258 2 жыл бұрын
Great Vid Buddy
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir! Crazy how many videos strong this Punch has been puttin on a show.
@metalfenderguybradwalker1916
@metalfenderguybradwalker1916 2 жыл бұрын
I can't wait until I get those 32 gr 22elr projectiles in the mail and get them tested I have alot of faith in those things in this test and in long range tests
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
😎👍
@badbilly60
@badbilly60 2 жыл бұрын
hey i enjoy your videos,no complaints,dont let negative posts bug you,my advice is,you do you and keep having fun
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate that, brother!
@OrangesmokeM7
@OrangesmokeM7 2 жыл бұрын
Seen some punches for first time other day at store but the few boxes they had were gone by time I got to counter. I wanna try some soon 🤞
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
I was surprised to see my local shop finally get some.
@joemorganeatmyshortschannel
@joemorganeatmyshortschannel 2 жыл бұрын
ive wanted to try the punch just to try the punch i keep a box of velocitor always in case i had to carry a 22 thats what im sticking in my 922 revolver
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
It's some good stuff.
@PetuniaIii-pd1ww
@PetuniaIii-pd1ww 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's us, also...as impressive as the punch is, we have relied on velocitors for a long time...that said, I'll probably pick up a box or two of the punch just in case the missus changes my mind...
@charlesmorgan1879
@charlesmorgan1879 2 жыл бұрын
Another gelly punch ! I've tried federal site for punch in larger caliber but always unavailable but one o these times...or go with underwood. Thanks again.
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
I was finding a bunch of calibers locally at one time but it's been pretty dry lately.
@hugovermaak6233
@hugovermaak6233 6 ай бұрын
How is the accuracy out of the short barrel
@mkshffr4936
@mkshffr4936 2 жыл бұрын
Bottom line at least in a rifle/carbine is if you want penetration go punch but if you want larger early wound channel with less penetration use the velocitor. The real question with the punch is whether any less expensive rounds can approximate it so one would look at high velocity 40gr RN, mini mags etc.
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I've tested min mags and several more against it. 👍
@eternallogic6394
@eternallogic6394 2 жыл бұрын
Hey brother, enjoying your content. Love Rimfires! Where are you from? That's some accent on you! Lol
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate that my friend. Born and raised in GA but been up here in VA since I was 19 years old.👍
@deucedeuce1572
@deucedeuce1572 2 жыл бұрын
Is punch hot enough to cycle everything reliably like the hotter CCI rounds?
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Yessir. It's designed specifically for short barreled handguns. It's a hot one.
@jeffpaul8260
@jeffpaul8260 Жыл бұрын
How much penetration do you need? doesnt the cci weigh more? so more mass and good penetration and good expansion/wound channel, isnt that good? i will ask about the setup of your charger. I have one in cammo with bpod. Was interested in a folding stock. any suggestions?
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
You'll want a brace unless you plan on registering it as a short barreled rifle. As far as folding, the FS1913 is a good one.👍
@jeffpaul8260
@jeffpaul8260 Жыл бұрын
@@ToolsandTargets yes a brace is the ticket.
@Nutty.357
@Nutty.357 2 жыл бұрын
Seems those flat nose solids in any caliber penetrate further than even a lead round nose! there is Herters 40gr target round nose, minimag target 40 round nose and some winchester small game and target round nose is about all I can think of off the top of my head lol! That Charger paired with those Velocitors seems to be a really nice combo! Have a good one! Punch still reins supreme on penetration!
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
I think I'll give the Thunderbolts a shot too.
@Nutty.357
@Nutty.357 2 жыл бұрын
I like me some Thunderbolts, last time i saw a 500rd pack around here was $50 hope they get cheaper lol
@diegolinares2225
@diegolinares2225 2 жыл бұрын
Hey man I love watching your ammo hunting videos. I’m over here in California where Ammo is still crazy Expensive. I’m work on getting my FFL03 and I wanted to know if Rural King ships to California??
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir. According to their shipping map, they ship to all states.
@mad_dsnipeu9093
@mad_dsnipeu9093 2 жыл бұрын
How about the cci ar tactical 22lr? It's solid copper plated also have you done the m•22 Winchester black copper coated? Both very solid good rounds
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
I can definitely try those. My local shop has a bunch of the AR Tactical in stock. I don't know if I've ever even seen the Winchester stuff. I'll have to look at that.👍
@mad_dsnipeu9093
@mad_dsnipeu9093 2 жыл бұрын
I have had great experience with both really quality ammo
@randyadams03
@randyadams03 2 жыл бұрын
Finally made back . Let's go. Well I like both will come to want i can get. And of course I'm using in a pistol. So maybe not a good test for small handgun. But. Good test as usual. Thanks Mr. BL. TOOLS
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir. I'm going back to a pistol for the next Punch tests and staying there. I only started using a longer barrel to give these rounds any kind of chance to beat the Punch, but people are confusing a good performing hunting round as being able to compete as a defensive round. Using a pistol will show just how outmatched they are.
@randyadams03
@randyadams03 2 жыл бұрын
@@ToolsandTargets you're correct, effective ammo in a pistol, revolver small carry or a bit larger. A choice. Some have vehicle gun and some in holster. I find no fault. Again a personal choice. Night Bl
@isellcatlitter
@isellcatlitter 5 ай бұрын
i just wanted to see if the velocitor's bullet construction would perform as a true hollow point should
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 5 ай бұрын
😎👍
@Valorius
@Valorius 2 жыл бұрын
My friend, obviously the round that doesn't expand will get more penetration. The velocitor expanded very nicely, so one would definitely not expect it to go nearly as deep. The punch is basically performing like a round nose bullet.
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Obviously. That's the point of the Federal Punch. It's a purpose built self defense .22lr round. You will absolutely want all the penetration you can get if you're gonna try to use .22lr for self defense.
@Valorius
@Valorius 2 жыл бұрын
@@ToolsandTargets I think there is a happy medium between penetration and expansion or we would all be using full metal jackets all the time. I think velocitor is that happy medium.
@johndavis3143
@johndavis3143 2 жыл бұрын
Have you tested the Remington Viper? If you did, I missed it.
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Yessir. It's some good stuff.👍 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aa5odtSWzLq-mpc.html
@josephmelson7591
@josephmelson7591 2 жыл бұрын
Very good video I got to get me some punch when I find it local ..
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir. It's some good stuff.
@jameshood9694
@jameshood9694 7 ай бұрын
Looks like either one is fine. I like that Punch. That's impressive for a 29 grain bullet to perform as it does even out of a short barrel pistol. The Velocitor is a great bullet though when fired from a regular length rifle especially. Good for small game and varmints and even defense if need be.
@frank6029
@frank6029 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with you nothing will beat the punch its time to lay this to rest once again great test Be Safe and God Bless 🙏🙏🎅
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you brother. I really do wanna find something to beat it but I'm runnin out of options.😆
@johntaylor8582
@johntaylor8582 2 жыл бұрын
You R Tha Man! Love the new hat. I have a fur/ lambs wool one. My ears stay toasty warm!!
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir. I'll have to swap back to the straw this week since the temp is supposed to be back in the 60's. Crazy weather.
@Arthur2990
@Arthur2990 2 жыл бұрын
What about a round nose round like mini mag vs punch? More apples to apples compare?
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Did it.👍 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b66ddpaK2NWxh5c.html
@brucecoleman7412
@brucecoleman7412 2 жыл бұрын
Hey TOOLS! Long live the KING!
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
💥👑💥
@johnpower8356
@johnpower8356 Жыл бұрын
Fired a couple punch 👊 yesterday into 4 1 gallon milk jugs (with water) out of a browning lever action 20" barrel both of them expanded the 20" barrel made a difference probably over 1500 f/ps but don't own a crono, both bullets were caught in the 3rd plastic milk jug, wish j could send you a pic of expanded punch's
@johnpower8356
@johnpower8356 Жыл бұрын
Oh also fired a aguila interceptor round nose not hollow point it expanded out of my browning 20" lever action too it went through 4 gallon jugs
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
Nice. Long barrels definitely wake stuff up.😎👍
@jiovannyantoniomontello1853
@jiovannyantoniomontello1853 2 жыл бұрын
What about a Remington VYPER and Federal POUNCH match??
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Got ya covered 👍 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aa5odtSWzLq-mpc.html
@MOAONAABE
@MOAONAABE 2 жыл бұрын
i used to shoot federal 22LR in the late 60s cause the winchester was throwing sparks and dirty dirty ammo. but in the 80s i turned mini mag. i will buy the 5600 rd box of federals for plinking, but when it comes to bang vs click, its CCI mini mags. no so much the bad primer strike, but the dirt fouls up even my beretta bobcat after 100 rds with the rems. then it wont cycle. so its as bad as a bad primer strike.
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Winchester .22lr is still some of the dirtiest, most inconsistent stuff for me.
@ScottyBennitone
@ScottyBennitone 2 жыл бұрын
what about standard copper plated round nose cci mini mags 40 g?
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
That's some I definitely still wanna test. I have those, some Eley, Thunderbolts, and a few other solids still to try against em.
@Ammosexual69
@Ammosexual69 Жыл бұрын
I carry federal punch in my .22lr LCP2. That’s always in my pocket regardless of what my primary is. 10+1 in my pocket with 2 14 round backup mags in my cargo pocket. For a deep concealment option, federal punch makes short barrel .22’s a very viable option.
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
Definitely the best .22lr round for self defense if you ask me.😎👍
@lawrencehawk5179
@lawrencehawk5179 Жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see the Punch vs Clean CCI Hypervelocity match. Still the Velocitor did well in the jello for a .22lr cartridge.
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
😎👊
@andycain2708
@andycain2708 2 жыл бұрын
Nice job tool
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir!
@bw2265
@bw2265 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe I've missed it, but have you tried the norma eco speed?
@1erinjames
@1erinjames 2 жыл бұрын
There is NOTHING in the 22 realm that can compare to The Punch!!!
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
I have. It was really disappointing even when you don't compare it to the Punch. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ebegmLt8mqmsf58.html
@johnbravo1005
@johnbravo1005 2 жыл бұрын
Velositor does way more damage. To much penetration isn't needed
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
For hunting yeah. For self defense if you're using .22lr, you want the penetration. A .22lr out of a self defense tool isn't gonna even have the velocity to expand. That penetration will get that .22lr where it needs to get.
@Valorius
@Valorius 2 жыл бұрын
@@ToolsandTargets There are a ton of people in the US using 22LR semi auto rifles for defense. I honestly cannot think of any 22LR cartridge id rather use in that scenario than Velocitor or the almost identical Aguila Interceptor HP.
@rainbosprinkles6548
@rainbosprinkles6548 2 жыл бұрын
Screw the test, just came here to hear you say "Jelly Time!"
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@scottierunsick5061
@scottierunsick5061 2 жыл бұрын
The velociter wound channel was good.good for hunting
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed.👍
@xrick76tube
@xrick76tube 2 жыл бұрын
The one I’ve been waiting for! Lol
@xrick76tube
@xrick76tube 2 жыл бұрын
Well seeing is believing
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets 2 жыл бұрын
😆😆
@vitalshok2238
@vitalshok2238 Жыл бұрын
I think you just love saying the word penetration. Everyone listen and count the times that word comes up and comment on your answer. Haha
@ToolsandTargets
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
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