Does it make sense , putting a bike engine in a car

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D3Sshooter

D3Sshooter

23 күн бұрын

In this video I address the issues and factors of placing a bike engine into a car. Is it a good idea or not ?

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@oleran4569
@oleran4569 21 күн бұрын
That was an excellent presentation! Especially the torque segment.
@D3Sshooter
@D3Sshooter 21 күн бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@gjgeurts9372
@gjgeurts9372 20 күн бұрын
That torque story was only half of it. It's not what the engine makes but what actually gets to the wheels. The bike engine can run a much shorter final gearing, in fact double the reduction that the car engine can because of its double width power band. So back wheel thrust will be about equal.
@johnfotakis3588
@johnfotakis3588 21 күн бұрын
Excellent video once again. Thanks and keep them coming. In your calculations 11000 was the right answer. 4 x 2750. ( not 2250). Pass on my regards to Old Rusty 😁
@D3Sshooter
@D3Sshooter 21 күн бұрын
You are correct, I need to go back to school... should never edit a video at night .....lol
@jessevisser575
@jessevisser575 20 күн бұрын
Long time watcher, first time commenting. Horsepower is a measure of total work done over time. To get it, we multiply the torque by the rpm (oversimplified). this is why an engine which generates less force (torque) per power stroke, makes up for it by having more power strokes. When you used a longer bar on the bolt, you DID increase the force, but you also increased the distance travelled, so the total amount of work performed was the same. This is the basic principle of mechanical advantage.
@malama255
@malama255 21 күн бұрын
That was a very nice and detailed video. I finally understand the difference between a car engine and a bike engine. Thanks Steve.
@D3Sshooter
@D3Sshooter 21 күн бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@planesofpaper
@planesofpaper 21 күн бұрын
This was a great video. I have a Lotus 7 and I went with a Toyota Beams 3sge. Some days I wonder if a Suzuki Hyabusa engine would be better. Your video helped me remember that I am on track and there are advantages to the car engine. Your explanation about torque and Short and long stroke helped me understand. I also have to keep in mind that torque feels nice. When the throttles open wide and the engine pulls strong from a low rpm for a long time it feels nice. Thanks again. Rex in New Zealand.
@D3Sshooter
@D3Sshooter 21 күн бұрын
My pleasure and thanks for watching. I also do enjoy torque at mid and low RPM's. Enjoy your racing
@iankirwan8156
@iankirwan8156 20 күн бұрын
That was an excellent comparison Steve, thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience.
@finnguitars9869
@finnguitars9869 20 күн бұрын
Clear explanation Stephan! A small addition to this video: a short stroke can also be applied if the overall weight of the vehicle is low. A low mass needs less torque to accelerate. Therefore, a choice can be made to give a sporty motorcycle engine a short stroke rather than keeping the dimensions of the engine in check. Keep up the good work!
@marchutchings8834
@marchutchings8834 21 күн бұрын
Thank you for a very thought provoking video. I initially thought a motorcycle engine gave formula 1 technology to the car, but your well explained problems/benefits video is most useful. Thanks again and best regards Marc. Australia.
@search4orlife
@search4orlife 21 күн бұрын
Great video, very interesting comparison. I run in the F1000 series here in the UK, we run mostly gsxr 1000s and car and engine weigh 320kg.
@D3Sshooter
@D3Sshooter 21 күн бұрын
Indeed, and that works like a champ... Did you ever race against a FF 2000 ? on a track and how did that end up ? Of course yours is fast due to the HP/weight ratio
@m.b.smoshitoa8325
@m.b.smoshitoa8325 19 күн бұрын
Eish Steve, I have to watch this video 3 to 4 times before commenting. Informative but my mind sometimes slips. Eish Moshitoa south Africa
@briangrant2426
@briangrant2426 18 күн бұрын
Great explaination about torque!
@jamesjohn9460
@jamesjohn9460 20 күн бұрын
Firstly ,the obvious choice for a car due its weight is the Hyabusa. A little smaller in capacity than the car engine but with no modification considerably more powerful with added benefit of torque that is needed for the greater weight of the car. Smaller high revving engines simply don’t have the torque to do the job.
@General813
@General813 19 күн бұрын
Hi Steve, interesting video, very well explained👍🙋
@54mgtf22
@54mgtf22 21 күн бұрын
Always interesting. Thanks Steve 👍
@D3Sshooter
@D3Sshooter 21 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@nick4506
@nick4506 21 күн бұрын
what a bike engine conversion does is replace a lot of the old hard to find racing specific parts. dont think many bike conversions happen from a good running race cars but from ones that are blown up or have been canibalised to fix other cars. in that way its a cost-effective if labor-intensive way of getting a car back on track. that it is somewhat competitive is just a bonus. also you can have fun with the bikes aftermarket. clutches are also a problem for motorcycle and atv drag racers so there are after market solutions like lockup clutches and recluse torque drives. something to look out for the extra strain on the clutch in a car will definitely shorten the life of the clutch baskets, the metal clutch plates digging into the aluminum makeing them not slide freely and hanging up, causes irregular clutch plate wear and slipping. there's lots of replacements its just something to check. 140hp is no where near where bikes top out. ktm 1190 and 1290 motors are dry sump thin v twin engines that should be easier to package in the cars frame, also 160-180 hp depending on model.
@D3Sshooter
@D3Sshooter 21 күн бұрын
Thanks for the comments, and yes there are special bike engines that overcome most of the challenges as you stated in your write up.
@slartibartfast2649
@slartibartfast2649 21 күн бұрын
8:10 5500/2=2750, so 11,000 labor strokes per minute was correct 👍
@D3Sshooter
@D3Sshooter 21 күн бұрын
yes, you are right...
@stephenfrench4417
@stephenfrench4417 21 күн бұрын
Thanks for a very interesting and well presented video with great analytics
@D3Sshooter
@D3Sshooter 21 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@CBCycles
@CBCycles 21 күн бұрын
Very interesting video, thank you! I wonder what the result would be if both race cars had a car engine, but one of the engines was oversquare and revved very high. So all things being equal except for bore/stroke ratio.
@D3Sshooter
@D3Sshooter 21 күн бұрын
Thanks for the comments, well one would have more horse power, but the torque will be relatively less. Here is an approximate assessment based on a simple calculation: CAR A - 300HP at 20000 RPM, CAR B -150HP at 5000 RPM. Results in Torque: CAR A= 106Nm CAR B= 213 Nm Of course that is engine torque , wheel torque will depend on many things (diff ratio, gearbox ratio and gear). The track type etc...Lots of acceleration due to turns and breaking requires torque to accelerate.. Long straights, are less demanding...
@the0leman
@the0leman 10 күн бұрын
horsepower is how 'fast' you hit the wall. Torque is how 'far' you take that wall with ya.
@richardporter6201
@richardporter6201 21 күн бұрын
Did the Smart car originally have a bike engine, 3 cylinder? I saw a German ytube where a highly tuned bike engine was placed in a Smart Car and it was fast on the autobahn.
@D3Sshooter
@D3Sshooter 21 күн бұрын
yes, that is very well possible... Bike engines are powerfull....
@search4orlife
@search4orlife 21 күн бұрын
I suppose being race cars the most important consideration is which one is quicker?
@D3Sshooter
@D3Sshooter 21 күн бұрын
Yes, and both engine types have their Merritt. Pending the track and use
@jccreszMinecraft
@jccreszMinecraft 21 күн бұрын
You might like to know of SuperFastMatt who did exactly this with a honda s600, installed a bike engine in it.
@D3Sshooter
@D3Sshooter 21 күн бұрын
Yep, and thanks for the comments
@robot797
@robot797 21 күн бұрын
and what if I put a industrial rotary in a car?
@blatopasteka2015
@blatopasteka2015 21 күн бұрын
Great video! Which one is faster on track ?
@D3Sshooter
@D3Sshooter 21 күн бұрын
Well on a small track with lots of turns, the car engine was faster, less shifting and better torque. On another track that can be completely different
@JamesParus
@JamesParus 21 күн бұрын
I have gs with the same engine. It has no water. Just oil and aircooled.
@D3Sshooter
@D3Sshooter 21 күн бұрын
Indeed....
@_Nobody_Special
@_Nobody_Special 21 күн бұрын
Hayabusa engine enters the chat.
@D3Sshooter
@D3Sshooter 21 күн бұрын
Yes, absolutely...
@robertoburromiapanino2659
@robertoburromiapanino2659 21 күн бұрын
5500 divided by 2 is 2250???!!! Not in Australia mate!
@irritablearchitect
@irritablearchitect 21 күн бұрын
That's 2750 for the car engine, not 2250.
@D3Sshooter
@D3Sshooter 21 күн бұрын
yes, indeed goofed up.. Happens when editing late at night. well spotted
@guillermocarrillo3959
@guillermocarrillo3959 21 күн бұрын
Why do people keep saying R.P.M.’S, when it’s just R.P.M. ?
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