Does LeBron's 40,000 Points Move the Needle in the GOAT Debate?

Does LeBron's 40,000 Points Move the Needle in the GOAT Debate? | THE ODD COUPLE

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4 ай бұрын

THE ODD COUPLE - Chris Broussard & Rob Parker discuss what to make LeBron James scoring over 40,000 points and dive into whether this has any impact on the Greatest of All-Time discussion.
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@greggibson33 4 ай бұрын

Dirk ended the Goat debate in 2011.

@davidcovington1046 4 ай бұрын

Exactly

@MrJonnyl123 4 ай бұрын

That Dallas loss really kills lebron. If he had five he would have a stronger case

@lancehood7916 4 ай бұрын

Facts

@futuretimetraveller8677 4 ай бұрын

ka BOOM!!!

@futuretimetraveller8677 4 ай бұрын

@@MrJonnyl123 it would be 4 but yeah... even still he's just not the player kobe or magic or larry was in my opinion although there is at least an argument in those cases with jordan it's silly

@LenoD79 4 ай бұрын

It didn’t move for me when he passed 38,387 and it’s not moving at 40,000.

@MRkriegs 4 ай бұрын

It wouldn't move at 50,000 for u either

@valjohnson7112 4 ай бұрын

Yeah who cares about total points? Was Kareem the goat until lebron passed him? No. Was Karl Malone the 3rd best player ever? Of course not.

@BlackKen_M 4 ай бұрын

😂😂

@gmailgmail6234 4 ай бұрын

@@valjohnson7112it’s more than just points his body of work and yes Kareem was goat

@Panazoniac 4 ай бұрын

Exactly @@MRkriegs

@richardconwayy259 4 ай бұрын

This debate should be done with already😂

@BetterThanYou81 4 ай бұрын

It is over, But like all kids they think if they just keep talking more intelligent people will listen to their nonsense.

@tajgibson8776 4 ай бұрын

Lebrom lost the GOAT debate back in 2011 when he lost to Jason Terry

@noelwilliams2363 4 ай бұрын

Jason Terry and Dirk 😂

@ZulunationFamily 4 ай бұрын

Same teach beat Kobe who was the defending champion

@kennyduarte6744 4 ай бұрын

And JJ barea!!

@howardhollis3533 4 ай бұрын

Listen he already won 2 back to back with Miami. Got scared to try to do a 3 peat and left and just because you scored 40000 points ain't moving the needle. The fact is your job was to score and accomplish as much as the real 23 did and the little amount of time he did or less and you couldn't. He thinks if keeps passing records that he going to force us and other basketball fans that he's the real goat. Nope. That's why we have an eye test. Eyes don't lie.

@kylonp7311 4 ай бұрын

@@ZulunationFamily kobe wasn’t on a superteam tho and had nothing to prove and just went to 3 straight finals it’s not who all the mavs beat in the 2011 playoffs do bringing up other teams and players is irrelevant it’s about an old 2011 mavs team beating and dominating the best player in the league on his superteam he orchestrated stop deflecting 😂😂😂😂

@2trill4life1 4 ай бұрын

It's never been about total stats. It's about impact on the game and impact on the world. Jordan can't be matched

@firstchain_prominence 4 ай бұрын

well ppl will tell u Jordan ain’t have no impact on the world

@xDream3773 4 ай бұрын

@@firstchain_prominenceYou might be wearing one.

@readytodie116 4 ай бұрын

💯

@nyteowl8069 4 ай бұрын

@@firstchain_prominence you cant be serious

@DeepH2Ov1 4 ай бұрын

@firstchain_prominence Jordan has been retired for 21 years and still has the top selling shoe or 1 of the top selling shoes. And his brand has expanded into golf and the NFL. If that's not worldwide, I don't know what is.

@RJ30000 4 ай бұрын

LeBALCO… is on that new juice EPO…

@jaydot4956 4 ай бұрын

Bro let it go.

@enigma13ff 4 ай бұрын

@@jaydot4956 One guy in the 20+ years of LeBrons career that didn't even play with him said he does PEDs so thats 100% evidence. Not the other teammates or guys that might be salty after he left their team. "The media is protecting him" KZfaq logic.

@brooklynblack9015 4 ай бұрын

@@jaydot4956no we not we all know he’s juicing 💉

@greggibson33 4 ай бұрын

@@jaydot4956 Bro bury the truth.

@jaydot4956 4 ай бұрын

@@brooklynblack9015 keep crying about it, Lebron was already investigated by the DEA and he was found innocent. You can say he’s on peds all you want if it makes you happy.

@paulusrumanouw3176 4 ай бұрын

One of the callers there hit it right on the head, LBJ realizes he cannot match MJ's rings so all he tries to do is stat padding.

@kant5696 4 ай бұрын

Exactly. He womt be in the goat conversation not for rings but for his longevity and stat line. Plus it helps lebrons case that he is more outspoken on social issues than jordan was. But based off pure winning? He cant win it that way

@MRkriegs 4 ай бұрын

Simply playing in the NBA is stat padding? 😂😂😂 🤡🤡🤡

@zinjgreen3398 4 ай бұрын

@@MRkriegsif the goal is winning he should sacrifice his stats and play defense, but you know what Lebron wan'ts the ball all the time to do stats and slacks to almost no defense, that takes a toll on the team. It is easy for people that have brain to know that.

@valjohnson7112 4 ай бұрын

Yeah he guards the weakest player and just rests on defense. Watch him away from the ball in offense too. He never cuts or posts up. He saves all his energy for when he has the ball so he can put up stats.

@billj4525 4 ай бұрын

@@zinjgreen3398 He can't win though. Team just isn't good enough. He could play a bit more defense, but his offense is very very crucial to the lakers, and he does attempt some defense, but his quickness isn't there as much either. I mean they're horrible when he's taking it easy offensively, so even if played defense more that certainly wouldn't work. He wants a championship more than anything. Keep in mind, he's though about all this stuff more than anyone commenting here, his coach and team as well. This is something you should be realizing. Unfortunately for him they don't have it in them as a team, looks very unlikely regardless of what changes are made. I mean you're being unrealistic. I mean stats can help, but even someone like you has to understand that a championship comes first with him. That's how he improves his legacy. He literally has no reason for stats to be more important, which is why your comment lacked intelligence. I mean you're partially right, but you're also being unrealistic and not looking at the situation accurately which is why I educated you. Hope you learned something, legitimately actually for the future.

@user-hh6pb7ct5s 4 ай бұрын

No. The only thing that will move the needle is winning. He’s slowly turning into Wilt Chamberlain with all these records but not winning enough

@rankoorovic7904 4 ай бұрын

He can only dream being like Wilt because they use to change rules to stop Wilt while for Lebron rules were changed or ignored so he could keep going

@edwinbrown2148 4 ай бұрын

He’s has the 2nd most finals mvp ever and the historic finals against golden state. He’s done way more winning than wilt.

@firstchain_prominence 4 ай бұрын

4 ring isn’t enough?! then 6 shouldn’t be nothing compared to 11 goofy

@GKtheElder 4 ай бұрын

He’s nothing like wilt. When did bron score 80-90 points in a game and rebound the ball at an alarming rate. Wilt do,instead statistically in the paint. Bron has not dominated. He’s just played all these years enough games to pass Jabar.

@valtercouto9838 4 ай бұрын

To compare this statpadding bum to Wilt is beyond ludicrous. Laughable.

@vitosmith8195 4 ай бұрын

He never lost a finals series.....Never!!!!!!!!....Never!!!!....MJ all day long case close....

@dparks2856 4 ай бұрын

Pippen also

@ronniekregar3482 4 ай бұрын

@@dparks2856that's why Pippen is the greatest #2 in the history of basketball.

@watsondr14 4 ай бұрын

left for 2yrs would he have beaten the rockets?

@fresh_printz 4 ай бұрын

He also got swept a lot in the playoffs

@martinlutherking6550 4 ай бұрын

Some history lesson here, Jordan’s playoff record was atrocious in the late 80s when Isiah Thomas and Larry bird were in their prime: Jordan met Bird twice in the first round and got swept 3-0 3-0 back to back Jordan met Isaiah 4 times in the playoffs and lost 3 series out of 4. After Jordan repeatedly complained to David Stern, the flagrant foul rule was introduced in the 1990-1991 season, the same year Jordan finally won his first ring. The league couldn’t stop him driving to the basket at that point.

@bobbyjordan21 4 ай бұрын

If he won a couple of rings before he bolted to Miami, than we could talk...........

@dadillonful 4 ай бұрын

Lebron had scrubs as teammates , mj had a stacked team in an era full of plumbers who almost made the finals without him

@1stnamebr406 4 ай бұрын

@bobbyjordan21 Miami was way overrated. They had a big 3 with Wade having bad knees and Bosh looking real soft and no bench.

@MrJonnyl123 4 ай бұрын

@@dadillonfulhow is getting knocked out in the Eastern conference second round nearly making the finals? 😂

@MrJonnyl123 4 ай бұрын

@@1stnamebr406d wade and lebron were two of the 3 best players in the world the first couple years in Miami in 2012 and 2011.

@ronniekregar3482 4 ай бұрын

@@dadillonfullololol, MJ's first 3 peat he had average players at best. It wasn't until his 2nd 3 peat that his team was stacked

@NwoFresh 4 ай бұрын

6 fmvps > 40k regular season points

@user-pt8df9su8y 4 ай бұрын

How ?? Ain’t no way

@cotati76 4 ай бұрын

@@user-pt8df9su8yLebronze is the Buffalo Bills of basketball.

@MrJonnyl123 4 ай бұрын

@@user-pt8df9su8y Brett Favre used to be the all time leader in tds and passing yards by a mile at one point. But did people think he was better than joe Montana? No

@user-pt8df9su8y 4 ай бұрын

@@MrJonnyl123 Brett farce also. Stole from poor people in Mississippi we using him

@ChiraqMaybach-ii9wm 4 ай бұрын

6 finals mvps, 10 scoring titles, defensive player of the Year award, NCAA championship, Olympic medals, Jordan is the greatest

@tkkirkland3971 4 ай бұрын

Lol ain’t no way Bron running up 43k without heavy PED allegations 😂😂😂

@billj4525 4 ай бұрын

Well the allegations were obviously always coming. The way the world is today you can't get around that. If MJ played today he would get the same allegations because of his insane ability,.

@DeepH2Ov1 4 ай бұрын

Like my coach once told me..."Statistics are like mini skirts, they look real good until you see what's underneath".

@valjohnson7112 4 ай бұрын

You would think lebron fans would know this about stats. Didn’t they see Westbrook play? And that man averaged a triple double.

@BetterThanYou81 4 ай бұрын

@@valjohnson7112 They have NO other argument about how much better Jordan is than everybody let alone especially LeBron.

@shawnpatrick6038 4 ай бұрын

Juiced up LeBron playing in an era with no defense or traveling doesn’t move him over Jordan.

@DevTha_GOAT 4 ай бұрын

Jordan playing in the expansion league era should’ve never been the bar of success

@dadillonful 4 ай бұрын

Lebron would have 70k points if he played in the plumber infested 90s

@rexbrothasoul832 4 ай бұрын

That's because that's the metric u wanna use to keep lebron from bein the goat...alot of yall Jordan fans are phony and disingenuous because yall never factor in that Jordan got suspended for gambling on NBA games 🏀 but u turn a blind eye to that smh 👎👎👎

@wzrdhndrixx7089 4 ай бұрын

@@dadillonfulbron had more help in this era with more talented players and still couldn’t 3 peat

@cholmanjr8345 4 ай бұрын

💯

@SojiRo23 4 ай бұрын

I don’t blame people for having #2. I have him around 4 or 5. He’s lost too much.

@johnsepulvedacruz6428 4 ай бұрын

I think Hakeem, Larry bird, MJ, Duncan, Kareem and kobe are better than him. And If we talking abiut impact on winning I got to incluye Magic.

@dadillonful 4 ай бұрын

I can’t put Mj number 1 because he was 1-9 in the playoffs without pippen

@jhad777 4 ай бұрын

@@dadillonfulman please shut up…dumbest argument ever

@christiansoldier77 4 ай бұрын

@@dadillonful That's a stupid uninformed comment. Jordan was going up against some of the greatest teams of all time before he had a decent team around him. Plus even when pippen came he didn't do much of anything to help the bulls win in the playoffs his first couple of years

@stormteam3004 4 ай бұрын

@@johnsepulvedacruz6428throw in Barkley, Ewing, David Robinson, Wilt, Russell, Oscar, .........! They all had many ways to beat you. They just had to go up against MJ.

@onidtubes 4 ай бұрын

Michael Jordan while with the Bulls had said breaking Kareem's scoring record did not drive him, because if it did, he would not have retired.

@HeathOverledger 4 ай бұрын

Simple math!

@chuckEdopemoves 4 ай бұрын

So why did he get a trophy for getting to 30,000 pts 😂😂🤦🏾‍♂️ every argument y'all make get shot down. Jordan was a SCORER of course he wanted the record he just wasn't durable enough

@Be.authentic_ 4 ай бұрын

@@chuckEdopemoves and lbj for all his durability is 4 n 6. No matter how long he plays or points he scores WINNING will always matter. This was never a argument don't fool yourself

@thegoatofyoutube1787 4 ай бұрын

@@chuckEdopemoves😂 durable? The dude retired twice after a three peat each time. He didn’t hobble off the court.

@chuckEdopemoves 4 ай бұрын

@@thegoatofyoutube1787 wasn't durable enough to get Kareem record is what I'm saying. If he had to retire after each three peat imagine the durability of LeBron who been to 8 straight finals . So basically u made my point

@hiitsgabe___ 4 ай бұрын

Two guys who dont think lebron is the goat ask each other if Lebron is the goat.

@PeakWithUs 4 ай бұрын

😂😂😭

@andrewwilliams3389 4 ай бұрын

U thought this comment hold weight? It’s a show dude. 🤣 they’re asking sarcastically. The both know Lebron isn’t the goat.

@kauffamn1016 4 ай бұрын

To work you guys up .

@greggibson33 4 ай бұрын

So dumb... even if he tied MJ with rings they still wouldn't pick Bron. Chris is the president of the Jordan Ball Washers Club.

@andrewwilliams3389 4 ай бұрын

@@greggibson33That’s lies. I think if he tied him in rings ppl would seriously consider it. The thing is sir… HE HASN’T! You’re talking about a hypothetical that’s NEVER gonna happen. The point is he hasn’t sir. MJ is the GOAT. Lebron has played longer than MJ & has still accomplished less than MJ🤣. It’s not a conversation. Get out ya feelings.

@Dozjah 4 ай бұрын

Jordan was electrifying to watch. Jordan did moves that was god like. That’s why he’s my goat. The rings was just the icing on the cake. I never watched a Lebron game and said wow what a play or did you see that move. Jordan would go up for a jump shot and the blocker jump late and Jordan would freeze time and still be in the air as the block came back to the ground. Jordan was called Black Jesus because Jordan could bend gravity. If it wasn’t for video you wouldn’t believe the stories about Jordan.

@novelaego2404 4 ай бұрын

hell yeah

@MindoftheNorthStar 4 ай бұрын

Of course not. Winning matters the most. Plus his resume is not as impressive as Jordan's

@firstchain_prominence 4 ай бұрын

stop talking, you sound like a kid saying that 😂😂😂

@James-bt8rj 4 ай бұрын

His individual resume is better Championships are team accomplishments

@MindoftheNorthStar 4 ай бұрын

@@firstchain_prominence I don't sound like a kid. Watch your lip before I start sounding like your future stepdad.

@MindoftheNorthStar 4 ай бұрын

@@James-bt8rj Wrong. Jordan has the edge over LeBron in the following individual accolades: FMVPs MVPs PER Scoring Titles DPoY Steals titles All Defensive first team selections career PPG Playoff PPG There's more I'm just tired of typing

@DevTha_GOAT 4 ай бұрын

@@MindoftheNorthStarJordan defense is so overrated there’s not that many guards from his era for him to guard Scottie guarded the best offensive player

@FuriousTheGeorge 4 ай бұрын

LePED had the benefit of playing in a league with no defense, rules favoring the offense, 3 point takeover, etc...

@onidtubes 4 ай бұрын

Does KG's Lebalco comments hurt his needle? 😂

@depannist 4 ай бұрын

Gag order. No major outlets allowed to discuss that one.

@HolidaySeasonGaming 4 ай бұрын

Them boys still hurt 🤷🏾‍♂️🤣🤣🤣🤣 he made them boys retire

@karlhardy8139 4 ай бұрын

KG is Jealous

@capbruhcorn 4 ай бұрын

No. And no other player will ever give a damn about pursuing that record. Ask any player would they rather have 6 rings, 6 Finals MVP’s, 5 regular season MVP’s and 32K points vs Lebron’s 40K and sparsely spread out championships and MVP’s(none since age 28). I would think they’d take Jordan’s resume. But these new guys be weird and have different priorities so you never know.

@je5406 4 ай бұрын

AAU culture. Filling up the stat sheet is more important than W-L. "Basketball is a team sport" they say.

@kant5696 4 ай бұрын

Honestly i think they care more about the money. Gilbert arenas made it clear he would take the carmelo anthony route and get the big payday from a team with no chance at winning

@greggibson33 4 ай бұрын

@@kant5696 100%. Todays players are about the benjamins and care less about winning than any other era.

@SuperLegendkiller21 4 ай бұрын

@greggibson33 Yea true but Jordan got the Benjamin's and the titles. Best of both worlds

@micapalma9532 4 ай бұрын

@@je5406 what a cliché. google this ---> 10 NBA Players With The Most Trophies And Awards Of All Time lebron could play for another 21 yrs, scores 50k points, he is not going to surpass, let alone touch, MJ's solid NBA accolades/accomplishments. MJ even retired twice in his prime..... let that sink in kid...

@kgema89 4 ай бұрын

LeHGH moved a different needle 💉💉💉💉😂

@gregorcollins 4 ай бұрын

The longer LeBron goes without winning another chip the more his longevity will work against him

@iswag9748 4 ай бұрын

Wat u said makes no sense

@cheerioss-9121 4 ай бұрын

when leBron won his 4th one nobody cared or thought it moved him closer to jordan at all. There’s nothing LeBron can do to pass jordan to jordan fans.

@Taj_Rahine 4 ай бұрын

@@cheerioss-9121There’s nothing Lebron can do to pass Jordan to basketball fans, he’s only #2 for people who have only seen his generation play.

@baileycharlton2191 4 ай бұрын

Nah. Once he was no longer in his prime imo that doesnt matter anymore. I'd say his last prime year was the championship year before injuries and age turned him into a still great player but no longer prime lebron. Just like I don't and no one should hold the fact mj didn't win rings on the wizards against him or shaq didn't win on the cavs or whoever you wanna pick. Anyone expecting lebron to win championships still and thinks anything less is a failure just is hating he of course wants to win but he's not at a point anymore where if he's not winning championships he's coming up short. Him just being a spectacular individual player is more then you could ask for from anyone his age and his amount of time in the league. The fact that some people still think that they have the ability to win and make a playoff run is just icing on the cake at his age.

@dadillonful 4 ай бұрын

So bill Russell is the goat then

@greggibson33 4 ай бұрын

Just as long as his PED supply doesn't run dry. 😆

@justinmatangi6406 4 ай бұрын

5 years down the line we will 'discover' that he was juiced up😅

@TellenJones 4 ай бұрын

Allen took DMV test and scored perfect 100 pts to get his license. Bob took his first DMV test and scored only 65. He worked hard on it next time to score 85 for his license and a total of 65 + 85 = 150 pts. So Bob began talking, "Look, Allen might be a perfect driver but I'm the all time DMV scoring champ."

@ninjaaitools 4 ай бұрын

This debate is so tiresome. 10 years after Bron retires, he'll barely crack the Top 10. Right now, he's just fresh on people's minds.

@vbxr4285 4 ай бұрын

hell never be the goat., this debate ends in 2011 when a 2x mvp, a player on his prime teaming up with a top 75 player and an all star but couldnt win. how can you get outscored by a 33 years old bench player lol

@justinmatangi6406 4 ай бұрын

Kareem, Erving, Magic, Bird, and finally MJ. These are the men who built the modern NBA. LeBron is enjoying the fruits of that labour. He has not expanded the NBA at all. The players mentioned before did just that. Those are the GOATS

@acason4 4 ай бұрын

No.... LeGM has played over 400+ more games. If MJ choose to not retire & played even within 100 games of Lebron he'd have over 42k points. Lebron's 40k point achievement just strengthens his longevity, but he already has the greatest longevity career ever. He's also benefited from the era, lack of defense, rules that protect stars, better training/nutrition, rarely playing back to back games & the elephant in the room = a decade + of PED use. LeGm is so desperate that it tells you even he knows he hasn't surpassed MJ's legacy. His need to continually bring it up shows how insecure he is about it. MJ never says a word because he doesn't care & he knows his legacy/is perfectly satisfied with that legacy. Period, end of story. What is that clown at 14:30 talking about?? Lebron has 29,041 FGA's All-Time (w/ the most misses ever) Jordan only had 24,537 FGA's All-Time. Lebron passed Jordan in total FGA's in the 19'-20' season (5 years ago) & that includes shooting 3,800 more 3's!!! The guy has NO CLUE what he's talking about. 🙄

@TheOaklandAthletics1989 4 ай бұрын

If you're in camp MJ guess what? You're still in camp MJ. If you're on team LeBron guess what? You're still on team LeBron.

@kwilliams1958 4 ай бұрын

Where does Kareem rank in the GOAT debate?

@cjthompson3447 4 ай бұрын

So don’t watch like Jesus 😂

@stormteam3004 4 ай бұрын

Ur so smart! Did u come up with that all by yourself?

@James-bt8rj 4 ай бұрын

Both are great and I'm glad I was able to watch both

@robertwilson9528 4 ай бұрын

@@kwilliams19582nd behind jordan

@a.k.4486 4 ай бұрын

Playing longer than one does not make you better. Playing better than one does it.

@irvgotto80 4 ай бұрын

I 💯 agree with you and this is what bron fans don't seem to understand

@fresh_printz 4 ай бұрын

Wat age was MJ better than Lebron?

@lexcarretas6309 4 ай бұрын

Since he played in the nba

@irvgotto80 4 ай бұрын

@freshprintz7002 what does age have to do with anything?? Stop being stupid this aint about age...

@algladyou 4 ай бұрын

@@fresh_printzmid range to freethrow alone.

@BBB17470 4 ай бұрын

Bron is on that juice !

@g-cole 4 ай бұрын

😂😂😂damn right or unless he a cyborg

@1stnamebr406 4 ай бұрын

It ain't even close between Jordan and Lebron. Lebron might be #3 behind Kareem. Nothing wrong with that.

@starranko_music 4 ай бұрын

LeBalco

@bGzzzzz 4 ай бұрын

The accolades between the two is not even CLOSE! True ranking is MJ, KAJ and then whoever as it would be a toss up between Magic/LBJ

@NostalgikOne 4 ай бұрын

If the fact his longevity has made him the all time turnover leader, on the verge of most missed shots in nba history, most playoff losses, most finals losses…don’t count in the goat debate then his positive longevity stats don’t either.

@allday20691 4 ай бұрын

When Kareem had the scoring record, did the GOAT debate matter? It’s just an individual accomplishment and a distraction from the facts.

@iTuber012 4 ай бұрын

There isn't a discussion. Never was honestly

@peacockal 4 ай бұрын

Longevity records need more scrutiny after Garnetts comments

@Big_AL_Nowitzki 4 ай бұрын

Chris ‘I’m a voter’ Brousaaaaad

@dec2567 4 ай бұрын

Same boring conversation lol

@jrmarshall120 4 ай бұрын

40k is a great achievement but come on, Jordan played like 15 years and played in a tougher era. LeBron cannot catch up to Jordan, Magic, Kobe or Duncan. I cannot stand this new play in tournament and I think Adam Silver James has been trying to help the Lakers but they’re still in 9th place. Jordan played in an era where the playoffs had 1st-8th seed only.

@valjohnson7112 4 ай бұрын

It was tougher because of Hard fouls and hand checking was legal. Lebron would have a Lot harder time driving to the hoop when Dennis Rodman is pushing him with one hand the whole way. Also there were a lot less 3s so the court was less spread. Easier help defense.

@eddiecampbell9663 4 ай бұрын

You know it's still 1st vs 8th seed in the playoffs ain't nothing changed right they just added the play in tournament to get more interest

@daydreamyn5943 4 ай бұрын

My thing is why even ask these mj vs bron questions to people like this if there is ALREADY absolutely nothing bron can do in their mind to “pass mj”.

@michiganmir7838 4 ай бұрын

40k points is not more impressive than 10 CONSECUTIVE scoring titles

@Saucelight88 4 ай бұрын

How is 40,000 points a record when he already broke the record we got to use our words carefully they actually mean something

@soda8736 4 ай бұрын

People showing how dumb they are

@chuckEdopemoves 4 ай бұрын

Every point he score since he broke Kareem record is THE record

@mvpfocus 4 ай бұрын

@@chuckEdopemoves Not quite. Most Field Goals: 1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, 15837 2. LeBron James, 14677

@chuckEdopemoves 4 ай бұрын

@@mvpfocus obviously that's a different record. I'm talking about the all time scoring record

@mvpfocus 4 ай бұрын

@@chuckEdopemoves The most buckets is a better record.

@zachparker4436 4 ай бұрын

That callers argument was a great one!! Don’t laugh it off like you don’t recognize HAHA. He took the same amount of shot attempts in SIX more years. Not saying he’s better but that is impressive

@mvpfocus 4 ай бұрын

You're looking at that backwards. Jordan accomplished more in far *fewer* years. That's way more impressive. What a given player's output is per game and per year, is always more valuable than watering the discussion down based on garbage time, over an extended period of time.

@Noin007 4 ай бұрын

I think an obvious comparison is Emmitt Smith VS Barry Sanders. Emmitt has 18,355 yards & 164 TDs vs Barry's 15,269 & 99. Almost no one would consider Emmitt better than Barry. If Emmitt had kept playing even longer and got to 20,000 & 185, would that have convinced people? Of course not. Lebron won the longevity category a long time ago, no one is arguing against that.

@charlie_P100 4 ай бұрын

I'm sorry Lebron is not the GOAT, I half to agree the last dance did open the younger generation's eyes, I never watched Michael Jordan play with the bulls, but I sure as hell got some insight to what a champion he was.

@trevanhatch8717 4 ай бұрын

If being an all time leader in major categories makes your the goat regardless of epic playoff meltdowns, then John Stockton is the best point guard of all time and Karl Malone is the third best player of all time.

@JohnBurgundy 4 ай бұрын

Can y’all bring up PEDS!

@davidcovington1046 4 ай бұрын

Everyone is Afraid!

@soda8736 4 ай бұрын

What do you wanf them to say?

@pinkt1t5 4 ай бұрын

Its about winning, who you beat to get there, and your total dominance over your peers.

@daydreamyn5943 4 ай бұрын

Agreed, Bron has won more games, more conference finals and played way more difficult comp.

@mvpfocus 4 ай бұрын

@@daydreamyn5943 "Conference Finals?" Meaningless stat, but nice try. And the "more difficult comp" argument is false. James feasted on cupcakes in the weakest Eastern Conference ever. Jordan faced playoff teams with a higher average win percentage in his championship runs, than James did in his championship runs. You should probably do the math first, before you make stuff up.

@daydreamyn5943 4 ай бұрын

@@mvpfocus yall change up whats a meaningful stat and what isn’t based on ehat suits jordan best at the particular moment. Chris and rob just got done trying to credit jordan with college chip wnd Fiba wins. Wtf…

@daydreamyn5943 4 ай бұрын

@@mvpfocus also again Bron played over 30+ HOF during the finals while Jordan only faced 10. Not to mention many of the teams bron played had 2,3 or even FOUR hof at one time. Jordan never faced more than 2 at a time.

@mvpfocus 4 ай бұрын

@@daydreamyn5943 International play does factor in. And James has 2 bronze medals. Jordan always won the gold.

@waterDrinker13 4 ай бұрын

STOOOOOOOOOOOOP IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT with the goat conversation!!!! ure having it every 3 days

@MrBobbyj32 4 ай бұрын

There is absolutely nothing that he can do to eclipse Jordan. He can play until 50 and score 50,000 points, and it won't matter to the majority. As a matter of fact, each year that passes, hurts his case.

@sonnynguyen9103 4 ай бұрын

people forgotten that Michael Jordan did play basketball in college and won championship. He also was the last college player that won an Olympic gold. Lebron will ever never got a snip of what it's like as an NCAA champion. All the points and accolades that MJ achieved in college does not count for his NBA career. Emmit Smith hold the all time rushing yards. Is he the great RB of all time?

@CJStew06 4 ай бұрын

Ironically, LeBron and his fans constantly pushing this GOAT argument only causes people to not appreciate these kinds of milestones and achievements. We would root for him more if he wasn't unrealistic with his expectations-what's wrong with being a universal top 3/5 player? You didn't peak as hard as MJ did, no one has except for him. He earned the GOAT label.

@Thiago_TT_MIA 4 ай бұрын

LeBron James fan boys in here really hurt ha ha ha😂

@novelaego2404 4 ай бұрын

always

@officialsonic1 4 ай бұрын

how about 9 times scoring titles, 9 times defensive titles and 6 rings, in less in 14 seasons, what are we talking about here, GOAT MJ

@Jay_Scheme 4 ай бұрын

No way. No How

@SSGourmet702 4 ай бұрын

he has the most shoes tied jersey's put on and he averages the most flops and balls dribbled too what a generational talent

@rankoorovic7904 4 ай бұрын

This is the biggest achievement of Lebron because this record is going to be his for a long long long long time but for the GOAT debate doesn't do anything a new ring would maybe mean something

@cheerioss-9121 4 ай бұрын

“maybe” this why you can’t even take jordan fans seriously 😂

@maumau6961 4 ай бұрын

@@cheerioss-9121 yes 'maybe'. Because if the Lakers were to win a chip AD would have to be the best player on the team.

@Miraclex97 4 ай бұрын

Joe, Montana Peak was better than Tom Brady’s Peak, but y'all gave Brady the GOAT status partly because of his longevity

@blackjesus6433 4 ай бұрын

Nobody else won 10 Scoring titles and 6 MVPs while averaging 31ppg. 🙏🏾

@masimbaashe 4 ай бұрын

That Rob Parker stat of MJ is 11 out of 11 in every final he was in

@bookstogobooks1641 4 ай бұрын

The real question is why are media folk afraid to just be plain and blut about Lebron.. but choose to soften the ground when criticizing him.

@blaketindle4703 4 ай бұрын

MJ is clearly the GOAT. But the greatest compliment to LeBron is that he’s the last player who is even in the discussion with Jordan. There will never be anyone else great enough to be in the GOAT debate.

@eddiecampbell9663 4 ай бұрын

Yea MJ is the goat......LeBron is #2 the 40,000 doesn't move the needle at all.....LeBron is the greatest of this generation but not all time

@crharper25 4 ай бұрын

No stat Bron attains will move the needle. He's never had a shot at the GOAT throne. His poor fundamentals, weak mentality...along with bad footwork, no post game....& his refusal to play defense. His game has too many holes to be considered the GOAT.

@naofumiiwatani1763 4 ай бұрын

10 scoring titles > 40k total points

@madscrillaog5703 4 ай бұрын

Biogenesis. Debate closed

@cynga6067 4 ай бұрын

Great achievement for playing 20+ seasons. One thing that has never changed is for any professional sports league, we play the game to win the ultimate prize, the championship!

@lance-h1g 4 ай бұрын

It has to matter some or else stats just don’t matter lol. Like if two players have very similar resumes but one player played much longer and he holds records no one else does then that has to be factor in to some degree or why else bother keeping stats.

@GKtheElder 4 ай бұрын

“Phenomenal basketball” is egregious.

@suparick 4 ай бұрын

The part they’re missing is he played at this level and above for the longevity. It’s not just years. Also being one of one in several stat categories instead of team and coaching.

@Kirby_3275 4 ай бұрын

He's the Wilt of this Era. Steph beat him like 3x for his rings. Lol

@Jalenlane93 4 ай бұрын

He's still more accomplished than Steph. Steph also had a better team.

@2rawww4tvkd 4 ай бұрын

NO WAY NO HOW

@nivbitan1 4 ай бұрын

As they mention all the time, what really matters is peak performance. When we talk about the GOAT we are talking about who reached the highest level of play, no matter what the sport is. For an extreme example, if you had a guy go in 100 meter sprint for 9 second once and some other dude average 9.3 for 40 times. What would people care about more? Obviously the faster dude

@hooplah.hoops.hoodoo 4 ай бұрын

Good luck accurately measuring a peak in a team sport....too many people don't recognize this is why there can never be a debate. MJ did not win those chips alone and Lebron didnt score 40k alone on the court. It's a team game...smh

@nivbitan1 4 ай бұрын

@@hooplah.hoops.hoodooyou definitely can measure that. How the hell do they give an MVP award in a team sport? They take all that in to consideration, don't type nonsense.

@valjohnson7112 4 ай бұрын

Yup. Vladimir klitscho won more championship fights than Muhammad Ali or mike Tyson. Does anyone think he’s the goat?

@hooplah.hoops.hoodoo 4 ай бұрын

@@nivbitan1 Are you saying since they give out an MVP award it means they accurately identify the Most Valuable Player each year correctly? Dont make me laugh....talk about typing nonsense. MVP is a media storyline more than anything - dont get it twisted

@RC72387 4 ай бұрын

This debate will never die lol it’s like every day now lol

@michaellewis4626 4 ай бұрын

Finals loses.... LeBron has lost 6 championship series of 9. (No bubbles) jordan has twice as many championship series wins and zero championship loses of 6. No debate.

@Micheck-1 4 ай бұрын

Michael took 3 more shots per game than Lebron, But Lebron took 5000 more 3s than Jordan. So it’s damn if you do, damn if you don’t…

@DurtyGamez 4 ай бұрын

LeBron has too many major downfalls in big moments during his peak. That Dallas series is a major stain and lets not act like Ray Allen didn't hit the shot of a lifetime.

@jkcates1 4 ай бұрын

Let's not forget, Jordan played in an Era with actual defense. The current NBA commissioner has even stated publicly that rules were changed to increase scoring.

@777shanes 4 ай бұрын

Lebron is NOT the GOAT. At most Lebron is 7th best..... MJ, Kareem, Bird, Kobe, Magic, TD, Shaq, then Lebron.......

@tylerwaffles21 4 ай бұрын

Let’s not forget that when Jordan was scoring the floor was much smaller since most of the points came from the paint and mid range. LeBron has had the luxury of spacing for most of his career making scoring much easier. Not many people talk about that.

@user-rs5jl4ci5n 4 ай бұрын

Lebron made “longevity” part of the goat debate . This a different kind of longevity never seen before!!!

@user-rs5jl4ci5n 4 ай бұрын

And now there killing him because he turned himself into a 3 point shooter , only Steph , Dame , and LEBRON hit logo 3’s

@jtremaine23 4 ай бұрын

@@user-rs5jl4ci5n I think I've seen Trae Young hit it at the logo too but only Steph and Dame do it consistently.

@back2back379 4 ай бұрын

He can get 50k points, doesn't really matter. Stockton's got like 5,000 more assists than Magic, that does not make him the GOAT PG or the GOAT assists guy.

@seanxlg8099 4 ай бұрын

At the rate players are scoring today with the 3 point shot, I wouldn't be surprised if someone else surpasses 40,000 points in the next 5 to 10 years. But no, Michael Jordan is the G.O.A.T hands-down. Lebron is a top 5.

@eddiecampbell9663 4 ай бұрын

MJ is the Goat....you right the way today are scoring Luka could get aleast 30,000 and I would say Anthony Edwards could get 35,000 the way he been scoring and it's only his 4th season averaging almost 30

@CJ-vh2hf 4 ай бұрын

Kareem won three straight high school championships, he won three college championships at UCLA and he won six NBA titles that’s 12 right there. I didn’t look up any Olympic or international games.

@vitosmith8195 4 ай бұрын

But he lost 4 Finals ...4!!...which makes all the difference.... Jordan none ..None!!!!!.......None!!!

@greggibson33 4 ай бұрын

@@vitosmith8195 Kareem played against prime Celtics and Pistons.... Jordan played against prime nobody... None!.... None!!!!

@davidcovington1046 4 ай бұрын

Exactly

@jtremaine23 4 ай бұрын

@@greggibson33 MJ played against Dream Team I and II members.

@jtremaine23 4 ай бұрын

Kareem didn't have any Olympic or International games that I'm aware of. But here's a breakdown of his championship wins/losses along with MJ and LBJ since they are mentioned. MICHAEL JORDAN's record: 12-0 (100% success rate) --won 1 NCAA championship --won 6 NBA Finals --won 2 Olympic gold medals --won 2 FIBA gold medals --won 1 International championship KAREEM ABDUL-JABBAR’s (Lew Alcindor) record: 12-4 (75% success rate) --won 3 High school championships --won 3 NCAA championships --won 6 NBA Finals --lost 4 NBA Finals LEBRON JAMES's record: 10-9 (53% success rate) --won 3 High school championships --won 4 NBA Finals --won 2 Olympic gold medals --won 1 FIBA gold medal --lost 1 High school championship --lost 6 NBA Finals --lost 1 Olympics --lost 1 International championship

@Jayoplantern 4 ай бұрын

He can get to 50K and play 30 seasons if he has 4 rings its make it worse

@Boolzorusrex 4 ай бұрын

nonsensical

@davidcovington1046 4 ай бұрын

Exactly

@Dotman89 4 ай бұрын

Before I watch I already know Chris is going to cap for LeBron

@thecliffsview 4 ай бұрын

Lebum can play for a few more years, just don't expect a lot of wins 😂

@shemmcetoogreezy4639 4 ай бұрын

Kinda like how Jordan stopped winning 15 years in 😂 at least Bron is in year 21

@thecliffsview 4 ай бұрын

@@shemmcetoogreezy4639 lebum winning? What's lebum win loss record?? Clueless aren't you😂🤣

@shemmcetoogreezy4639 4 ай бұрын

@@thecliffsview lmaooo you oldheads need always crying when anyone mentions Bron 😂 it’s funny asf! Ohhhhh noooo I’m sorry we spoke about you daddy Jordon

@thecliffsview 4 ай бұрын

@@shemmcetoogreezy4639 what's lebums win loss record again? The topic was winning kiddo 😂😂😂

@shemmcetoogreezy4639 4 ай бұрын

@@thecliffsview dementia is kicking in I see, check up on that grandpa!

@479mandingo6 4 ай бұрын

Slooow Day @The Office huh??🤣

@infiniteuniverse9528 4 ай бұрын

LeBron's over 700 FGM behind Kareem, therefore LeBron is still not the NBA's leading scorer. He is the "King" of Turnovers however. Owning the All-time record for most Turnovers with 6258. Meanwhile Kareem has 3 NCAA titles, 3 NCAA Naismith awards., 6 NBA titles and a record 6 NBA MVP's. LeBron is still well behind Jabbar in the GOAT debate for anyone who can count.

@ValiantVisions314 4 ай бұрын

This is a prime example of people will say any and everything to discredit LBJ. The man has the most POINTS in NBA history. Points are not FGM. By your logic, he took less shots but still scored more points. Points bro, points.

@infiniteuniverse9528 4 ай бұрын

@@ValiantVisions314Points are not what we go by because the old school players did not receive 3 points for a jump shot like the modern players do. We compare FGM to determine who scored the most buckets. I'm not just "Saying Anything" to discredit LeBron, his turnovers and lack of NCAA stats are facts that cannot be denied or overlooked. (HARD FACTS BRUH)

@liftedmarco4976 4 ай бұрын

Does he lead even a single stat per game?

@pulliam318 4 ай бұрын

I agree with Nick on the peak stuff. MJ didn’t just play 6 seasons. He had incredible seasons before he started winning, but no where near what LBJ has been doing.

@sisepuede5612 4 ай бұрын

Chris out here lookin Casket Clean with that hair dye

@nneely613 4 ай бұрын

Lebron has lost as many finals as Jordan has won. There never was a debate, it's Lemedia propaganda.

@SelfResearchedNBAFacts 4 ай бұрын

Talking heads say you cant prove LeBron is on the juice, but you cant prove hes not. Especially since he has never denied it

@teonmccoy633 4 ай бұрын

Broussard, talk about the PEDS! Its a automatic disqualification from any GOAT talk!

@Huesos138 4 ай бұрын

To say that it doesn't move the needle is to say that prolonged excellence doesn't matter *at all*. If it matters even a little bit, then of course it moves the needle.